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    The boy who cried wolf and the best AM bike ever

    After a decade of claims for high pedaling efficiency, a real, true NO pedal bob geometry now exists. I'm talking no stupid bizarro linkages or tricks, pro-pedal etc. Just real, true, 100% total absence of any pedal induced movement whatso ever, period under all circumstances and in all gears including 3rd ring. Pretty much the harder you mash, the more it resists and yet the suspension moves freely for the tiniest bump.
    Truem the the concept was a proven deal since '09 but the real test was to setup a bike for World class DH use and then trail ride it like an XC bike. With the new Canfield ONE, I had my chance to put my money where my mouth is and all I can say is no words can explain how awesome the pedaling efficiency is and how well a proper design can work for any trail situation.
    Just in case you dont read full posts, let me say it again- 100% NO suspension bob EVER! that includes the BOXXER WC fork too. I'm guess the back end prevents the front end from starting to move so it never starts the cycle(and I'm running almost no low speed compression which would resist bobbing)
    Did I mention 66 deg HA adjustable to 63 deg HA? this thing turns too
    and how does sub 35 pounds grab you? Pretty awesome for 200mm travel in my book, considering no carbon fiber frame.
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    ... and if we just ...

    Perhaps a bit off-topic, however I saw this in your signature:

    Wife: 2009 Canfield ONE also 29 lbs
    You married a bike? This is real passion for the sport...

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    Quote Originally Posted by raganwald View Post
    Perhaps a bit off-topic, however I saw this in your signature:



    You married a bike? This is real passion for the sport...

    id ride her

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    You've owned the bike since January 1, 2008 and are just now getting around to telling us about this perfect pedaling machine?

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    Awesome.
    My kind of bike.
    I ride a 7"FR coil/coil bike, dual ring, under 35lbs.
    My bike, Slayer 70

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    "I'm talking no stupid bizarro linkages or tricks"

    Erm have you seen the linkages on this bike? Its no more or less bizzarro or tricking than the next method.

    here maybe this will sell your topic better

    Canfield Brothers "one" suspension. - YouTube

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    Sucks i cant find this bike in the UK :-(

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    does this really fall into the AM category? Which as much as I would like to ride that bike, it looks like a FR rig to me a little more. Not that categories do anything but splinter our sport even more.

    but it is a seriously drool worthy bike!
    Try this: HTFU

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    I'm talking no stupid bizarro linkages or tricks


    Silly rabbit, tricks are for kids. Looks like mini short links to me. Just like Giant, Pivot, Ibis, Chumba, BMC.................etc....etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossup View Post
    Just real, true, 100% total absence of any pedal induced movement whatso ever, period under all circumstances
    So, basically it's got so much chain growth that it can rip off your ankles when you try to ride fast?

    Sorry, I couldn't resist

    Beautiful bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossup View Post
    Pretty awesome for 200mm travel in my book, considering no carbon fiber frame.
    Enthusiastic?



    Sounds like the design works. But it is overkill for me. A burly 5" version for me please

    "it IS possible that you are faster or slower than anybody else who is having at least as much if not more or less fun"

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    In the video it looks like it squats really bad when pedaling.... I cant imagine that would be beneficial for climbing.

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    Smile

    To take some of the heat off this poster.
    This is my All Mountain Bike ridden daily.
    The bar ends make it All Mountain .
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    Quote Originally Posted by the-one1 View Post

    Silly rabbit, tricks are for kids. Looks like mini short links to me. Just like Giant, Pivot, Ibis, Chumba, BMC.................etc....etc.

    chuma is horst...

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-kul View Post
    chuma is horst...
    I think he's talkin about the new evo...

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    Quote Originally Posted by griffinsurfboard View Post
    The bar ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by griffinsurfboard View Post
    The bar ends make it All Mountain .
    I hope that is a flat bar. Otherwise we might have to call the Fashion Police




    The seat looks big. Good for varying sitting position for up and down hill?

    "it IS possible that you are faster or slower than anybody else who is having at least as much if not more or less fun"

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    Yes it is large and super comfy.
    I sit a lot on the nose in comfort while climbing.
    I am looking for another to buy since they have been discontinued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrniceguy42 View Post
    I think he's talkin about the new evo...
    just looked that up, i stand corrected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrniceguy42 View Post
    I think he's talkin about the new evo...
    Yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-kul View Post
    just looked that up, i stand corrected.

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    its a good looking bike

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    Must be a time warp....or its too much trouble to reset the date every time the battery is changed. So I've had the bike a few day, you're getting the news just in time to wish you didnt have to buy right now or wait till next year

    Quote Originally Posted by big0mike View Post
    You've owned the bike since January 1, 2008 and are just now getting around to telling us about this perfect pedaling machine?
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    The parellel links are neither a new idea nor bizarre...they are shapely but my point is the geometry created is simple. Now on the other hand, the same linkage more or less as used
    in the Canfield Jedi DOES does do some bizarre things with the wheel path.. but it works.

    Quote Originally Posted by MongTeo View Post
    "I'm talking no stupid bizarro linkages or tricks"

    Erm have you seen the linkages on this bike? Its no more or less bizzarro or tricking than the next method.

    here maybe this will sell your topic better

    Canfield Brothers "one" suspension. - YouTube
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    Sorry but you just seeing nice squishy soft DH coil spring motion. You only have to mash the pedals a few revs even on pavement to realize there is NO squat, bob, give or motion caused by either your weight on the pedals nor the force input to them. And the suspension remain totally compliant to bump input and braking reaction.
    It literally climbs better than my Specialized Enduro or Pitch by a huge factor and both of those bikes were several pounds lighter.. The Pitch is a perfect comparision because the drive train and wheels are from it so ONLY the frame and suspension could affect the experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by fordolet View Post
    In the video it looks like it squats really bad when pedaling.... I cant imagine that would be beneficial for climbing.
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    Its all in the details , the OLD ONE linkage you show is still better than any bike you mention and the new ONE I'm referring to is even better.


    Quote Originally Posted by the-one1 View Post


    Silly rabbit, tricks are for kids. Looks like mini short links to me. Just like Giant, Pivot, Ibis, Chumba, BMC.................etc....etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossup View Post
    Its all in the details , the OLD ONE linkage you show is still better than any bike you mention and the new ONE I'm referring to is even better.
    That's blasphemy! Everyone know the DW-Link is gods gift to mountain bikes.
    So is the Horste link and VPP. And the _____ link. And the other ____ link!

    We know you like the bike. That's all that matters.

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    Thats the main thing BUT my post here is a tiny attempt to let folks know that you can have what everyone claims their bike does but doesnt. If I were presenting an impression or my opinion I'd say 'get over it and enjoy your bike' but this situation is one of those were everyone who experiences the Canfield will agree its the bomb and actually delivers on its promises 100%
    Also wanted to let folks know, AM can be much more than what the traditional definition says...most long travel bikes suffer from significant comprimises and therefore dont do well at tight XC or whatever....far as I can tell the ONE can very competently do it all with minimum comprise.(yes the last part is merely my opinion )


    Quote Originally Posted by the-one1 View Post
    That's blasphemy! Everyone know the DW-Link is gods gift to mountain bikes.
    So is the Horste link and VPP. And the _____ link. And the other ____ link!

    We know you like the bike. That's all that matters.
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    I rock a Mk1 One, and first time out it blew my mind how well it pedalled/climbed in all gears.

    Ended up building it a bit lighter than I first set out to, and use it as my XC/AM bike. Swap wheelsets, and she's great for the odd shuttle/park days. Not a bike to regularly hit nasty DH on, but they made/make other frames for that... and the new One is burlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the-one1 View Post
    Why does this thing remind me of a 6.6 or MK1 Nomad. Is that how ppl are getting around licensing, remount the link pivot to the down tube vs top tube?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Why does this thing remind me of a 6.6 or MK1 Nomad. Is that how ppl are getting around licensing, remount the link pivot to the down tube vs top tube?
    I remember when Giant came out with the Maestro, everyone was like "Oh NOES they be copying DW". Then BMC did their thing and same reaction. I wonder where that is for the Chumba. Not that its a bad bike. I'd buy it if it wasn't for all the negativity from and for the company.

    Note: I know the DW link patent is more than just 2 short links, but for the sake of argument, they all "look" the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Why does this thing remind me of a 6.6 or MK1 Nomad. Is that how ppl are getting around licensing, remount the link pivot to the down tube vs top tube?
    isnt the basic premis of the vpp patent that the lower link travels up and forward while the shock link travels down and back resisting pedaling forces or something like that? but i do agree all these mini link bikes look pretty similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Why does this thing remind me of a 6.6 or MK1 Nomad. Is that how ppl are getting around licensing, remount the link pivot to the down tube vs top tube?
    VPP patent has the linkages moving in opposing arcs. All other dual link suspensions have the links moving in the same direction.

    So for VPP the upper link rotates up away from the seat tube towards the front of the bike and the bottom link rotates away from the the seat tube towards the back of the bike creating an S shaped axle path.

    The DW style links have both links moving towards the same direction, like both rotating towards the top tube or both rotate toward the head tube or whatever.The one fits into the this category.

    The patents for DW link prescribe where the virtual pivot point floats within in. Go outside that zone and you are out of the patent. The VPP pivot define only the counter rotating links and the s shaped axle path which is why it is impossible to copy.
    Try this: HTFU

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