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    Is this bike suitable for All Mountain?

    Check out the specs on this bike. I'm about to buy it for a grand, and I'm in love with it. I think I'm getting a great deal... this is my first serious mountain bike, and I'm hoping it will work out well for aggressive riding, all mountain, etc.

    Specialized Enduro Pro 2002 medium (17-18 inch) frame - 6 inches of travel front and rear
    2002 Marzocchi Jr.T fork
    2005 Fox FLOAT RP3 rear shock
    9 spd LX shifters, XT front and XTR rear derailleurs
    Hayes Hydraulic disk brakes
    Race Face Evolve DH ISIS cranks with ring god bashguard
    Azonic riser bars, shorty stem
    new wheels built with DX32 rims
    WTB ti rail saddle
    Also have stock rear shock and Azonic downhill saddle included

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    I don't know why not. Those FSRs were decent models. I'm not sure about having that much travel. Weren't those closer to 5" at the rear?...unless modified with an aftermarket link and such? Still good, anyway. The fork might not be a great match. It's got about 6.7" of travel and poor damping in stock setup. The rest of the bike seems pretty good. On the price, $1000 might be a little on the high end. I'd be most concerned about the front and rear suspension match there. It seems like someone tried to make a DH bike out of a trail bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s62
    Check out the specs on this bike. I'm about to buy it for a grand, and I'm in love with it. I think I'm getting a great deal... this is my first serious mountain bike, and I'm hoping it will work out well for aggressive riding, all mountain, etc.

    Specialized Enduro Pro 2002 medium (17-18 inch) frame - 6 inches of travel front and rear
    2002 Marzocchi Jr.T fork
    2005 Fox FLOAT RP3 rear shock
    9 spd LX shifters, XT front and XTR rear derailleurs
    Hayes Hydraulic disk brakes
    Race Face Evolve DH ISIS cranks with ring god bashguard
    Azonic riser bars, shorty stem
    new wheels built with DX32 rims
    WTB ti rail saddle
    Also have stock rear shock and Azonic downhill saddle included
    The 2002 Enduro frames used a unique shock made by Fox (7.625x2) that gave it a max 5.25" of rear travel. So since it has a RP3 now, which comes in a 7.5" and 7.875" eye to eye...the geometry must have been altered. Also, the 2002 Junior T was a 7" fork so it seems a little unbalanced. But if you like it, then feel free to buy it.

    One thing to consider though, the Lifetime Warranty that Specialized offers is for the ORIGINAL owner only...so you get ZERO support if you break it. So inspect it with a fine tooth comb before buying it.

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    Thanks for the good info, guys. mtnbiker72, this is my first real bike, and I don't know what exactly to look for when I show up at this guys office with 1000$ in hand. Obviously cracks, chips, dents, rusting, etc., I will search for, but up until recently, this was this guys main bike. He's a pretty serious biker, and has kept it in great condition. He said it may need a little fine tuning, but that it should leave the shop pretty much in the same condition as it will go in. What else should I look for? Also, should I ask him about the geometry? I doubt he's tinkered with the frame, so do you think the shock is misfit somehow? I don't quite understand the implications and what to ask/worry about.
    Thanks for all the really good advise. Any more would be greatly appreciated.

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    I think 1000$ seems really a bit too expensive!
    Before spending that much on a 5 year old used bike (especially when you dont know exactly HOW a bike should look after 5 years)
    Id definitely recommend, that you visit a couple of bike shops and that you look around what youd get for 1000$ new.
    At least if the drivetrain is worn on the Enduro or anything else and youll have to exchange it, youll end up spending 200$ at least. So you could end up at 1200$, Im sure you could get a decent bike for 1200$ from the start. With full warranty and dealer support that is!

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    you can buy a really nice ride on "that auction site" for 1000 - 1200 bucks.

    just my .02

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    I trust the guy I'm working with. I've done business with his friends (who run a mountain biking touring company here in alaska), and he's a serious biker, as well as very friendly. He has kept this bike in great condition, b/c it's been his main ride. He recently switched to a 29, so he's dropping this one. I feel confidant it's in great shape. I just want to know what to look for. But thanks for the words of caution!
    You guys think I should try to negotiate the price? If so, what' s a good starting offer, and what should I hope to drop it to? I honestly feel this bike is worth the 1000, but if I can shave a few bucks off the final price, why not?

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    True. I've seen several on there. In fact, I got interested in the Enduro '02 b/c of eb... I mean "that auction site" (are we not allowed to name it?). The Enduro's I've seen on there don't have as good components and aren't in as good of condition as the one I'll be buying, and they're all going for 800+. With shipping to Alaska, you're looking at more than I'd pay for this rig, and they aren't as nice. Plus, I'd rather buy locally, get to look at the bike first, test ride it, etc. So, actually I'm getting a better deal than on ebay. This enduro is on par for ebay prices. If he sold it on there, he would fetch 900+, no problems, possibly more (based on all the old and current '02 enduro sales).
    Plus, I think this IS a really nice ride. It's 4000$+ worth of bike.

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    um.. i dont wanna flame ya..but it isn't $4000 worth of bike. It might have been $3000 five years ago. but today it is $800 worth of bike. sorry again..just my .02

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    You're getting honest and accurate opinions here even though it may not be what you want to hear. That fork is a mismatch and not a great one to begin with. The bike is worth no more than $800 and probably closer to $750. If it had a good fork on it, then I'd be more comfortable getting closer to $900 IF the fork was pretty new. As it stands, I'd say $800 is a fair deal; not a smokin deal.

    It doesn't matter whether you trust the guy or not. The question is how much is that bike truly worth if it is in decent condition. You have your answer so you decide what it's worth to you. If I were you and trusted the guy and liked the bike, I'd go no higher than $750.

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    no offense taken 5 years ago, the bike ran right under 3000. 2940 or something. Stock. The upgrades, including the fork and the rear shock, run the bike up several hundred more. I added up all the original prices that this guy paid for the bike, and it came to over 4000 I know that obv. it's not worth that now. However, the '02 enduro STOCK are selling for 800+ on ebay. This bike is obv. worth more than the stock enduro's, what with the '05 shock, the upgraded front shock, the rims/wheels, etc. I bet that it would easily make 1000$ on ebay, being in great condition w/ new and better components.
    Point is, I'm not worried about the price. I feel like I'm snagging a solid deal, and am getting WAY more bike than I could afford otherwise. I could never go to a bike shop and get a bike like this. the 1000 range FS bikes just aren't that great. The best I could do is the Ibex Atlas Sport, and that's a FAR cry from this ride.
    Any starting neg. prices I should go with?

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    oh, and keep the opinions coming. The more people that weigh in on the price and the bike, the better I feel :-) Thanks!
    Also, for your inspection, other '02 Enduro auctions (just so you have an idea of the price range that the stock setups, etc., are going for...)

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...6990&rd=1&rd=1
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...7845&rd=1&rd=1
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...8679&rd=1&rd=1

    None of those are as good as the bike I'm looking at.
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    Tell him all you have is $740 and go as high as $800. This is a 5 year old bike and like I said, the fork sucks (well, I said it now). The components are okay- nothing great either. You're selling yourself short if you pay $1K for it. Anyone looking for one will be like WTF on that fork so it will not be a high-end specimen on Ebay. I would not touch that fork- not with the choices we have nowadays.

    Don't get emotionally sucked in. I do that sometimes and it always paid off when someone convinced me not to buy and I waited for a better choice. Stock bikes are actually more valuable on Ebay than mismatched bikes like this. I woudl buy a stock Enduro over this one. Now if it had a Talas/Float/AM1/ Pike and nice wheels, that would be a different story.

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    Does the shock suck b/c it is mismatched w/ the rear shock? I read the mtbr reviews for the shock, and they were consistantly good... better than many forks I've considered. So it's just a bad fit for that bike, or what? If I get the bike for 800, then I'd love to spend a little more to buy a new fork, if that's the biggest complaint you guys have with the bike. Are the Manitou Minute 3's a good choice you think? The nice thing is that I can find them for around 250 on ebay.
    This will be my first mountain bike (other than the K2 Zed 1.0 entry-level bike that I'm returning to REI), so I want something that will last, that will handle all mountain, that will be good for me learning as well as once I'm quite good, etc. I don't have to have a 6000 DH bike right now, you know? But I do want a serious machine.

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    That is a borderline freeride bike IMO, It is going to be heavy and fun.
    Get a lite rigid SS for trail riding and you will have your bases covered.
    The wheel is a extension of the foot

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    Are you in Anchorage?

    I am. If you dont know what to look for, take the bike to The Bicycle Shop, and have Chris and/or Ray look it over. You will be charged for their services, but you will know exactly what needs help, and what is ok.


    Personally, I think it is a suspension mismatch, and not a good deal, let alone a great deal. That frame is not rated for dual clamp forks, and the damping in the fork is outdated. I would let it be.

    BTW, I worked at the shop for years, and know, you know?
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    That fork is "bad".

    Quote Originally Posted by s62
    Does the shock suck b/c it is mismatched w/ the rear shock? I read the mtbr reviews for the shock, and they were consistantly good... better than many forks I've considered. So it's just a bad fit for that bike, or what? If I get the bike for 800, then I'd love to spend a little more to buy a new fork, if that's the biggest complaint you guys have with the bike. Are the Manitou Minute 3's a good choice you think? The nice thing is that I can find them for around 250 on ebay.
    This will be my first mountain bike (other than the K2 Zed 1.0 entry-level bike that I'm returning to REI), so I want something that will last, that will handle all mountain, that will be good for me learning as well as once I'm quite good, etc. I don't have to have a 6000 DH bike right now, you know? But I do want a serious machine.
    s62, I had that very same fork. It has SSV simple ported orifice dampers, and they can't take two good bumps in succession without compression spiking. I had to install Super T dampers in mine to get it to work...a costly mod, even though I work at a shop. That fork has 30mm stanchions...not too bad in a dual crown setup, but even XC forks are coming with 32mm stanchions...and for good reason. That fork feels really nice when you stroke it or when you just drop off a curb or such...one hit, works fairly well. Try riding that fork over a few baby heads or down a staircase...please wear some armor...and you'll see that 6.7" fork turns into a nasty 3" fork...or maybe less.

    You mention that this will be your first real MTB, so I think you may be a little overly impressed with how this bike feels and the impressive look of the dual crown fork. As someone pointed out, this frame is not even built to take this fork, which might affect your requirement, "so I want something that will last". If this bike had a fork like a Marz AM1, an RS Pike, or such attached to it, perhaps most of us would be a little more enthusiastic about recommending this bike at this price. I think you see a pattern in most of the recommendations here. BTW, could you measure the eye-to-eye length of that rear shock? As one poster pointed out, this could be a positive or negative issue on the geometry change that occured with a different shock. I've had 3 different FSR Enduro models in the model year range and type that you're looking at, and I modified all of them in some manner. Does that Enduro you're looking at have a linkage modification?...especially since it belongs to someone in a bike related business.

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    Awesome. My girlfriend got her bike from The Bicycle Shop. Good people there. So, if I could get the bike for 800, and then put a new fork on... say a Minute 3, would that be a good deal?
    I could also get this bike, but the shipping would be 150+, thus negating some of the value. Plus the bike isn't in great condition, and the fork makes a funny popping sound .
    I'm in cooper landing, btw, so about 2 hours south of anchorage on the seward highway/sterling highway.

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    TNC, thanks for all the good recommendations and info. I think after all these posts, I won't be buying the bike :-( I'm dissapointed, but will wait for a better deal. I'm still going to talk w/ the guy, and check out the bike while I'm in town.
    So, could you guys recommend some models and components to look out for, something between 800 and 1000? Used or new. I'd rather used and have a better bike than new and not as nice. The Ibex Atlas Sport looks fairly nice, but I want a bit of a better bike, I think.
    Keep shopping the '02 Enduro on ebay?
    Argg... I just don't know.

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    Are you sold on Specialized? The Kona Dawg or Dawg deluxe is a decent trail- riding bike with 5 inches front and rear. the GT i-drive is decent 5 inches front andn rear (07 has 5.5) my point is there are other decent used bkes in that price range.

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    I hear that you think the ibex atlas isnt close component wise to the 5 year old enduro? Dude, Get an ibex. I's a stronger frame than the enduro, plus its BRAND NEW. The suspension actually matches. the shocks on the two are comparable. the fork on the atlas is much better than the crap trap 02 jr t. Not to mention the ibex atlas comes with either avid juicy 3's or 5's. Also a SRAM X.7 drivetrain NEW

    NEW NEW NEW NEW Do not buy a 5 year old bike. Especially one that has been ridden for 5 years with a fork it wasn't designed for.

    YOU ARE NOT GETTING A GOOD DEAL MAN!

    Thats what all these people are telling you. if 15+ people are telling you its not a very great deal, then it really isnt! Get an ibex atlas or something else thats used but no older than 3 years of age. $800.00 for that enduro is a ripoff. I wouldn't buy it unless it was like $450.00 Honestly.
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    Trail-riding = all mountain? I'm a little confused, sorry :-(
    And todd, I sorta doubt the unbaised nature of your post I like Ibex, you don't have to sell them, be cool. I do appreciate the input, but obvious there are A LOT of people buying 02 enduro's for 800 and up. 450 is absurd.

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    oh, and I'm not totally sold on specialized. I'm definitely open to more suggests to other models. But I want higher end stuff that I can buy used for 800-1000. Not stuff that's 800-1000 new. Even the Atlas Sport just doesn't cut it. I don't want XC or trailriding stuff. I want all mountain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s62
    oh, and I'm not totally sold on specialized. I'm definitely open to more suggests to other models. But I want higher end stuff that I can buy used for 800-1000. Not stuff that's 800-1000 new. Even the Atlas Sport just doesn't cut it. I don't want XC or trailriding stuff. I want all mountain.
    uhh, people are doing FR and AM with the atlas. its your best bet. Not trying to totally sell ibex here, but think about it. fantastic components its new and in your price range. If you think the atlas is even close to XC, Then the enduro is just as close to XC. because the atlas is just as if not more capable than any enduro you'll buy.

    $450.00 isnt absurd for that bike. I bought a 04 Enduro Expert off craigslist for $650.00 in January. Sold it 2 months later to a friend for $700.00 AFTER I put a nicer fork on the front. I've seen 2002 enduro's pop up in my local craigslist for $750.00 and sit there for a long time.

    Believe me, when it comes to Specialized and Ibex...I DO know what I'm talking about.

    Look into the giant reign, ibex (more AM/FR than most), fisher fat possum and the kona dawg.
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    Is Giant a good brand? Are they related to GT? I thought they might be a crap brand...
    And, as for Enduros, just check out ebay. There's an 02 enduro going for 1800 right now, and several more for over 800. I'm not trying to argue too much, just to point out that they are selling for a good bit more than you mention. I'm still considering the Atlas Sport, but the components just don't thrill me. I will check those other models out.

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    you and that enduro.. get a kona dawg..i have one , (deluxe) and ride the piss out of it. you can climb, fly downhill, do some decent drops (4-5 ft) and it will take it all and weighs about 33 pounds. i bought an 06 brand new for $1200 this spring. i think it would make a great starter AM bike. but just my .02

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    you found a deluxe dawg for 1200? at a lbs? I'd def. consider one of those.

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    yes i did..it was an 06 model left over.. i walked in to dream...saw the sale price and bought it instantly. i think last years deluxe retailed for 1799 or so..I picked it up for about 1250 with tax. there was a brand new 06 on ebay last week for 1299 but i think it was pick up only and they were in boston. don't get stuck on that enduro. there is a reason the frame was drastically changed in 05.

    don't get me wrong ..specialized makes a great bike ..my first real bike was a hardrock sport. that thing was bulletproof. i still ride it on occasion.

    i'm just saying do your research and dont act on impulse.

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    Giant is a fantastic brand, they're probably the best quality for the price out there considering their the largest bicycle manufacturer in the world so they can produce so much volume. GT is also a great brand, they had the little Wal-Mart period for a couple years but their bike shop quality bikes have always been top notch. Just take a look at the list of manufacturer forums down below, if it comes from those guys it's probably pretty good. Leave your options wide open, especially if your going to be looking for used and limit it to stuff that's '05 models and up, component designs are changed and improved every year so going back too many years will end up biting you in the end.

    Glad to hear your passing on the Enduro, it wasn't as good a deal as it may have looked.

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    s62, one thing you are not considering is the changes that are made to the components. Just because a bike has 2002 XT/XTR parts doesn't mean that those components are better than 2007 Deore. The trickle down in technology in the bike industry in amazing so most mid range forks now are far better than high end forks. So, I would recommend if this is your first bike, go to a few shops and ride several different models in your price range, and ride several different sizes in each. Also, do not forget to account for buying a helmet, repair kits, multi tool, pump, bike shorts (not necessay but improve the experience greatly). Also, some shops give discounts if you buy those items with a new bike and most shops do have a free service plan (length varies) to go with the purchase. Finally, the more expensive the bike the more you can haggle with the shop, this is not always true, but doesn't hurt to negotiate, but don't expect it.

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    Great advise, guys. I already own a nice multitool and pump. I still need helmet, shin guards/knee guards, etc., but I'm not buying them until a paycheck or two after the bike. Gotta have the bike to have the crashes
    I'm going to a bike store on Thursday, and will see what's in the 1000 range, but I know it won't be much. I'm look at '05+ used bikes on ebay, and have found a few, but nothing quite right. I'll keep browsing for awhile, but I'm itching to get a FS rig and hit some tougher trails. I can take my hardtail back to REI at any point, but I'd rather do it sooner so it's in better condition (not that it matters to them).
    Keep the recommendations coming, and thanks a ton for the feedback. What components are really good for AM? Any particular forks I should look for? Rear shocks? Wheels/rims?

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    Damn this Ibex Atlas Sport! It's the only decent thing I can find new in my price range. Does anyone here have objections to it? Not many reviews for it yet. I've read through the Ibex forum, but those opinions are ... mildly biased . Anyone have .02 about the Atlas Sport? I'm still looking elsewhere too.

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    Ok, after some research, I've spotted these bikes. Some are up for sale earlier than others, so timely feedback is very much appreciated!

    Turner 5-Spot '04:
    Anodized black (Horst Link frame). This frame was from a test batch for Ano finish. Turner decided not to produce the 2004 frames this way so Ano frames of this date were very limited.

    Full Detail:
    2005 Rock Shock Pike Team (Heavy Spring installed, Stock spring included)
    2006 FOX DHX Air shock.
    Hayes Mag Hydro brakes, 6" rotors with new pads, upgraded GRC racing levers. (One black lever body, the other champange color.)
    XTR shifters - NEW
    XT Front/Read derailers. NEW
    Sunrace JuJu cassette NEW
    Raceface Turbine Cranks. 3 ring, 4H104mm installed, Extra drive side crank included with 5H94mm with e-13 bashguard.
    Azonic DW 1.5 riser bar.
    ODI lock on grips.
    Ritchey 100mm stem-NEW
    Truvativ seatpost -NEW
    Specialized saddle - NEW
    Kenda Nevegal 2.1 UST tires -NEW
    Xt/Marzocchi 20mm hubs on Rhino Lite rims
    Cane Creek cassetet bearing headset -NEW

    Approx. 750$ right now

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    Cannondale Prophet 1000 '05
    w/ some upgrades

    This bike has just been professionally serviced at a local Cannondale dealer. Many parts have been either touched up or replaced with new parts. The best part is that the older parts are still included, so you can use them as you see fit (the extra lefty hub can even be used to build up a 2nd front wheel, e.g. 29er). Everything is still in very good condition and include an SRAM PG-970 rear cog, a Cannondale "Fire" Hub, a Cannondale "Omega" Si hub, and a chain.

    Here is a list of the upgrades and serviced parts:

    * Lefty fork serviced
    o Greased needle bearings reset
    o air filter cleaned
    * New Mavic "DT Champion" Spokes
    * New Cannondale Lefty Front
    * New Shimano XT Rear Cog

    Here are the complete specifications for the bike:

    * "Prophet" Aluminum Frame
    * Lefty Max SPV+ Fork
    * Manitou Swinger 3-Way Air Rear Shock
    * Mavic XM819 Disc, 32 Hole Rims
    * Lefty Front Hub
    * Brand New Shimano XT Upgrade Hub
    * New "DT Champion" Spokes
    * Shimano PD-M520 Pedals
    * TruVatiV Stylo GXP Crank (22,32,44)
    * New Shimano 9-Speed Chain
    * New Shimano XT Rear Cog
    * Shimano LX Front Derailleur
    * SRAM X-9 Rear Derailleur
    * SRAM X-7 Trigger Shifters
    * FSA XC-280 Handlebars (25mm rise)
    * Cannondale Holy Headshok 31.8 Stem
    * Cannondale HeadShok Si Headset
    * Avid Juicy7 Brakeset
    * Avid Juicy7 Brakelevers
    * Fi'zi:k Plateau Saddle
    * Cannondale Fire Seat Post
    * Tires:
    o Front: Michelin XL S UST Tubeless
    o Rear: Hutchinson Python Tubeless


    Approx. 950$ (w/ shipping)

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    2004 Specialed S-Works Enduro

    This is the S-works Enduro from 2004 but it has been modified. I didn't like the remote brain rear shock so I got rid of it and replaced it with the Fox Float RL with lockout and the travel changing itch switch (it changes travel from 4" to 5") I also changed the fork to a Marzocchi Z1 Freeride with extension control. As you can see, my idea of all mountain was different then the factory's, plus the riding here in southern Utah is a little different from the rest of the world and I needed to beef the bike up a bit. I just replaced the drive train, it's bran new and does not have a mile on it, replacements include: cassette,chain, front chain rings, and rear deralier. The bike was also just overhauled by me as I am a professional bike mechanic. I meticulously maintained this bike from the beginning. Don't get me wrong though, it is used and has some scratches and dings. However there are no dents or frame damage whatsoever. So if you like your trail bike a little beefier and like to go a little bigger then most, then this is your bike. Shipping is free, I'll pay it!!!!!!!!!

    Part Replacements include:

    Brakes- Hayes HFX9 with 8" rotors

    Hubs- DT-Swiss Hugi Freeride
    Rims- front- Mavic D521
    rear-Mavic D321
    Cranks- FSA Afterburner
    Fork- Marzocchi Z1 Freeride
    Rear Shock- Fox Float RL (rebound, lockout, and itch switch)
    Seatpost- Thomson Elite Setback
    Headset- FSA Pig DH Pro (sealed bearings)
    Stem_ Raceface Diablus
    Handlebar-Easton Monkey Bar EA50
    Rear Deralier- Shimano LX
    Shifters- Shimano LX
    Front Dearailer- Shimano XT


    Approx. 800$ (with shipping)(will def. go up)

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    Ibex Atlas Sport '07

    Frame:

    Single-Pivot 6061 Aluminum - 5" Travel
    Fork:

    Manitou Relic Elite w/ Air* 130mm Travel
    Rear Shock:

    Manitou Metel R w/ Platform Plus
    Shifters:

    SRAM X7 Trigger
    Front Derailleur:

    Shimano LX
    Rear Derailleur:

    SRAM X7
    Crankset:

    TruVativ Firex 3.3 Team (44/32/22T)
    Cassette:

    SRAM PG-950 (11-34T)
    Chain:

    KMC X9
    Brakes:

    Avid Juicy-5 Hydraulic Disc Brakes
    Levers:

    Avid Juicy-5
    Rims:

    Sun SOS P1 Mid-Width Rims
    Hubs:
    Novatec 4/2 Sealed Bearing Hubs
    Spokes:
    Richmond 14G Black Stainless
    Tires:
    WTB Moto Raptor 26" x 2.24
    Headset:
    Cane Creek S-3
    Cockpit Set:
    Ritchey Alloy
    Saddle:
    WTB Pure V Race
    Pedals:

    SPD Clipless

    Approx. 1100$ (with shipping)

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    Custom 17" Kona Bear / Dawg

    This is a custom configured Kona Bear /Dawg frame made with 7000 series aluminum with a Fox Float rear shock. Frame was purchased by itself and buit up with all custom parts. Frame measures 17" center to center. Frame has less then 500 miles, parts and fork have less then 100 miles on them - really. Frame has some small scratches and rubs, but no dents or dings. All parts work great, especially after a recent tune. Mavic Crosslink wheels and hubs, Thompson stem and seatpost, Easton Monkey bar, 2006 Manitou Minute fork with SPV and adjustable travel on the fly up to 130mm, Hayes hydro disc brakes, Truvativ Stylo cranks with Isis Drive bottom bracket, Cane Creek headset, new Sram XO grip shifters, cassette and rear deraileur (amazing product), new Panaracer tires, Shimano SPD pedals.

    Approx. ??? I won't break my budget of 1000$, whatever the cost ends up being.

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    So, what looks like the winner based on the specs, etc., here? All of the bikes are used except the Ibex. I'm particularly fond of the Turner. If I don't get that (i.e. if it's not worth it, etc.), then I'm leaning towards the '04 Enduro.
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    giant is definitely a good brand, know they aren't related to GT as far as i know i would consider a reign if you want a freeride, dh'ish, trail bike

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    I like the Turner, the specs look good and the price is great. This would be my #1 pick!

    The Prophet is a great bike, I just can't get over the lefty, they look so weird! It looks like a good pick, I'm not sure how long the lefty had been around at this point so if it was a first generation run that might scare me. Also these are great trail bikes but not huck machines like the Spesh or the Kona. If you want to get aggressive, eliminate this one, but for trail riding this is gonna be #2 on my list.

    If the spesh is indeed an '04 than it's got that weird split welded frame like the first bike you were looking at. I'd try to get into an '05 Enduro frame or newer, even if it runs you more scratch the improvement was huge between those two frames. Otherwise it doesn't sound too bad, more of a big hit machine from the sound of the component spec, another thing to consider is how bad it's been abused. This is a pass for me, only a last option if I was really desperate to pick up a bike quick.

    I'm not a huge fan of Ibex bikes, they come cheap, but you get what you pay for. Plus alot of bike shops don't respond well when you roll in a mail-order specific brand like Ibex and ask for help with a problem. Theyre gonna make you pay for each minute of service most of the time. The component spec is weak, I'd pass on this choice.

    The Kona looks nice except for the X.0 grip shifts... whats up with that!? I can see using them on a XC bike but not so much on something your going to be hammering down the mountain, oh well, if thats not an issue to you then this would be my #3 pick.

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    Get the Turner

    $750 is a steal for that bike.

    If his is Ebay, however, expect that price to double at the auction close.

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    I didn't even catch that about the Kona shifters! Yuck... No way I want those. heh, I guess it wouldn't ruin the bike over all, but meh. That's sorta how I feel about the lineup, except the enduro in at #2. Thanks for the input on the bikes. Feeling better and better about the Turner.

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    my choice would be for the turner of prophet. BUT those arent going to be in your pricerange. They'll go way above it. Same with the enduro. Kona stopped making the bear in like 2003 or 2002. So its a pretty dated frame.

    People who just love to bash ibex have never ridden one. My local bike shop loves my bike. if a shop is going to turn their nose up to an ibex, then thats a shop you dont want to be at anyway.

    Again, ibex gets my vote. The frames arent close to being cheap in quality. I compaired the welds on my Zone to the welds on my friends bullet. exactly the same. Get ibex. OR peek around motobecane, I think most of their bikes are XC though. Also the frames arent in my experience, as nice as ibex.
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    Yeah you wont be able to touch that turner..i mean...if it goes for that low I'LL buy it and sell my kona. that is pretty spec'd out for it to go that low. i'll bet is gets AT LEAST double that

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    Doesn't matter now :-( It already jumped to 1275$ Just out of my range.
    Time to hope for that prophet!

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    Out of curiousity, would you guys put a rough estimate of price on each of these (i.e. what you'd be willing to pay). I don't want to go overboard.

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    Just my .02 cents, but I havent been able to find that good of deals on Ebay...I have bought several used bikes off of Craigs LIst with much better success just by making offers. I also own the Ibex Atlas Sport and it is a tough bike and a blast to ride...everything works together smoothly. I am a big guy at 6-4, 225 and have had no issues with it. If you cant find a good used one, buy the Ibex...it wont disappoint you...and like Todd said, it will be new and you will know what it has been through...and I think Ibex is running a sale on it right now for $999

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    i just checked that turner..it says $800 but it wont stay there. but anyways...

    try pinkbike.com also my friend just got an 06 Santa Cruz Nomad SPEC'D OUT for under $2500. it was brand new!! point is there are good deals there

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    Quote Originally Posted by s62
    Out of curiousity, would you guys put a rough estimate of price on each of these (i.e. what you'd be willing to pay). I don't want to go overboard.
    The prophet will probably go up to about $1,700.00 - $2,000.00
    The S-Works Will probably run up to $2,000.00 - $2,500.00
    The bear will probably run about $800.00-$1,000.00 (but then again, old frame. It might not last long.)
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    2006 Jamis Komodo 3.0
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    shucks... all out of my range. I'm really no longer comfortable with the Ibex, unfortunately. The specs aren't up to par for what I want, and I'm worried about a direct-order company. I know that I'll only get the components I want if they are used, but I'm fine with that.
    I'd love to do Craig's list, but I'm in alaska. There aren't a ton of good bikes on there
    I feel like I should buy that OP Enduro for 1000, or maybe try to get it for 800. I don't seem to have many options.

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    thanks for the lead, bearsfan. I'm browsing now

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    Quote Originally Posted by s62
    shucks... all out of my range. I'm really no longer comfortable with the Ibex, unfortunately. The specs aren't up to par for what I want, and I'm worried about a direct-order company. I know that I'll only get the components I want if they are used, but I'm fine with that.
    I'd love to do Craig's list, but I'm in alaska. There aren't a ton of good bikes on there
    I feel like I should buy that OP Enduro for 1000, or maybe try to get it for 800. I don't seem to have many options.
    How are they not up to par?

    Manitou Silver = Manitou Black which was a great fork.
    The Juicy 3 brakes are better than any of the bikes you mentioned.
    The ibex comes with SRAM drivetrain. 2007 SRAM > Anything shimano 2006 and under in age.
    Sun rims SOS are total beefcake rims

    But your loss.

    Ever Thought about going hardtail? You can build up a great AM hardtail for about $800.00

    I just built up a jamis komodo that will outlast any of the bikes you're considering. how much did it cost me? about $600.00 And it will handle DH to XC

    Riding a hardtail prooves to be more efficient, teaches you to be a smoother rider and wont break down on you. (like if you buy that enduro only to brake a linkage bar within a month of riding. Then where are you going to be? with a broken frame and a bunch of outdated junky parts. )
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    s62. I own a 2005 spesh enduro. That I bought for 800.00. I got the bike from the og owner that bought the bike on close out for 1600.00 on closeout. After having the bike for about 6 month now it as good bike for am riding. But for the the price I paid its a great bike. There is some good deals you just have to look for them. look at closeout deals. Some shops still have 05 in stock. As for the gaint its a good bike I was going to get one b4 I found my deal. Its a really nice bike it climbs very well for a 36lbs bike. goodluck Ben

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    yah, i am not getting it either todd...with the SRAM 7 and Juicy 5's, how can you go wrong at $999? The bike is almost bulletproof...I love mine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben99r1
    s62. I own a 2005 spesh enduro. That I bought for 800.00. I got the bike from the og owner that bought the bike on close out for 1600.00 on closeout. After having the bike for about 6 month now it as good bike for am riding. But for the the price I paid its a great bike. There is some good deals you just have to look for them. look at closeout deals. Some shops still have 05 in stock. As for the gaint its a good bike I was going to get one b4 I found my deal. Its a really nice bike it climbs very well for a 36lbs bike. goodluck Ben
    i have one too - I really like it but I upgraded to a Z1 up front - with a longer fork it would feel way too raked out, as it already wanders a bit when climbing. I paid 1350 brand new for it so a grand for a 5 year old one is pretty steep based on recent prices, never mind what other factors you look at.

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