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    Best UST tyres for AM riding

    planning my first try at tubeless, any inputs gents?

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    What rims, do you need UST tires? you can always convert using Stan's. Is it wet, or muddy? If not Tioga Psycho Genius.

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    Two options really (suitable for all terrain, except really muddy):
    1. Continental Rubber Queen UST (Black Chilli) 2.2/2.4
    http://www.conti-online.com/generato..._queen_en.html

    2. Maxxis High Roller LUST 2.35
    http://www.maxxis.com/Bicycle/Mounta...oller-UST.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by tp806
    Two options really (suitable for all terrain, except really muddy):

    2. Maxxis High Roller LUST 2.35
    http://www.maxxis.com/Bicycle/Mounta...oller-UST.aspx
    Vote for the Maxxis from mee too. I run that Highroller at back and 2.4 Ardent at front. If it's dry and you need something that rolls fast and corners well then Crossmark 2.25 LUST.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tp806
    Two options really (suitable for all terrain, except really muddy):
    1. Continental Rubber Queen UST (Black Chilli) 2.2/2.4
    http://www.conti-online.com/generato..._queen_en.html

    2. Maxxis High Roller LUST 2.35
    http://www.maxxis.com/Bicycle/Mounta...oller-UST.aspx
    I use two different tires - one of them being a Continental Rubber Queen US (now Trail King) in a 2.2.

    I also run a Schwalbe Nobby Nic UST in a 2.4:

    http://www.schwalbetires.com/nobby_nic_hs411

    These two tires actually weigh almost same on my home scale 795g for the NN and 862g fro the RQ and they both have almost identical widths - about 2.26".

    Currently, I run the NN in the front and the RQ in the back. Not sure why, but this setup works the best for me. Seems like the perfect combo for my conditions - SoCal dry, rocky, lots of technical climbing.

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    +3 for the ust high rollers, love them for everything besides mud, they pack up pretty quick and start to feel like slicks

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    There are so many variables when it comes to choosing tires. Type of soil, terrain, weather conditions, fast rolling or super sticky etc etc. I can tell you that one set of tires may be great for one area or condition and suck horribly for another. Pretty much common sense. Saying that one tire is best imo is impossible. Unfortunately the only way to know which tire is "best" is trial and error. Or ask your local riders and bike shops what they are running.

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    Conti Rubber Queens or Maxxis Ardents. I like the RQ front (2.4) and rear (2.2) but dont like the Ardent on the rear so much.

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    Schwalbe Nobby Nics. I have 6+pairs of various AM UST tires. By far, my favorite are the Nobby Nics. Fast Grippy LIGHT.

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    Best UST tyres for AM riding-barro-mountain.jpg


    Geax Barro Mountain in a 2.3

    55Sa compound for wet roots & rocks, rolls fast and a decent weight for tubeless. Buttons up nice to UST rims.
    Not a good mud tire however due to the minimalist tread and runs just a tad narrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowup
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    Not a good mud tire however due to the minimalist tread and runs just a tad narrow.
    Odd, since the word Barro means mud in Spanish.
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    Ardent 2.4

    Quote Originally Posted by crank1979@optusnet.com.au
    Conti Rubber Queens or Maxxis Ardents. I like the RQ front (2.4) and rear (2.2) but dont like the Ardent on the rear so much.
    What don't you like about a rear Ardent? was thinking about trying an ardent out back to raise my bb a tad
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeerhillOG
    What don't you like about a rear Ardent? was thinking about trying an ardent out back to raise my bb a tad
    I just find it doesn't grip all that well for me on the rear. I run a 2.1" SB8 on the rear with the Ardent on the front and find the SB8 grips nicely on the rocky stuff near me, as long as it's dry.

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    always been a big fan of High Rollers, but recently been trying Bontrager XR4 which are "tubless ready" and very impressed

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    Quote Originally Posted by crank1979@optusnet.com.au
    I just find it doesn't grip all that well for me on the rear. I run a 2.1" SB8 on the rear with the Ardent on the front and find the SB8 grips nicely on the rocky stuff near me, as long as it's dry.
    you mean uphill/climbing grip, or corner/leaning?
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    Quote Originally Posted by charging_rhinos
    Odd, since the word Barro means mud in Spanish.
    Maybe they only work in Spanish mud.
    Where I am mud isn't a big concern so it isn't an issue for my riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeerhillOG
    you mean uphill/climbing grip, or corner/leaning?
    Uphill/climbing. I find the SB8 grips better on most rocky stuff. It was not what I expected when I put it on. I think it might be the space between the knobs combined with the round profile of the Ardent that doesn't lend it to working that well out my way. The closer spaced small knobs on the SB8 seem to hook up on the rocks better, but if the rocks have sand on them they just spin if I get my balance wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crank1979@optusnet.com.au
    Uphill/climbing. I find the SB8 grips better on most rocky stuff. It was not what I expected when I put it on. I think it might be the space between the knobs combined with the round profile of the Ardent that doesn't lend it to working that well out my way. The closer spaced small knobs on the SB8 seem to hook up on the rocks better, but if the rocks have sand on them they just spin if I get my balance wrong.
    Gotcha. SB8 sounds like the rear WW I've been using this year, climbing wise.

    The side knobs on the 2.3 WW make it harder to drift though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k31ron
    always been a big fan of High Rollers, but recently been trying Bontrager XR4 which are "tubless ready" and very impressed
    +1 on the xr4's

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    Love the Schwalbe Nobby Nics F&R when dry. When damp, I run the Schwalbe Fat Albert in the front. High Rollers are great too, but the Schwalbe's are very light!

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    I have used the Maxxis LUST 2.35 , and watched the Nobby Nic`s fail terribly in sharp rocks consistently.

    For me the bontrager XR4 is a no brainer. I love the tyre and it inspires complete confidence that neither Maxxis or Nobby gave me. I defy anyone to list a better tyre all round.

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    Never really heard much about the XR4 before reading this thread, sounds interesting. What is a single tire going for?

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    Bontrager XR4 TLR - 26 x 2.20 (Team Issue), 120TPI, Tubeless Ready 720g

    Bear in mind these these are "big" tyres for 2.20. Don`t be fooled or compare against the Maxxis for size.

    You can get them here in the UK
    http://www.pedalon.co.uk/acatalog/bontrager_xr4.html

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    how do they work as a "winter" tire? muddy, wet rocks and roots and so on...
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    Bontrager XR4 TLR - 26 x 2.20 (Team Issue), 120TPI, Tubeless Ready 720g

    Bear in mind these these are "big" tyres for 2.20. Don`t be fooled or compare against the Maxxis for size.

    You can get them here in the UK
    http://www.pedalon.co.uk/acatalog/bontrager_xr4.html

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    About the Bontrager XR4, at recent MBUK UK magazine, one tester told that he find a replacement for there old favourite High Roller.

    At Bike German magazine they told that it has great traction and rolls a little better than High Roller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ban
    how do they work as a "winter" tire? muddy, wet rocks and roots and so on...
    I live in Scotland and ride alot of single track with roots rocks and it`s ds `always muddy. These tyres have not put a foot wrong so far. Honestly , they give me complete confidence. Especially in the front . It hasn't slipped yet.

    Trying out XR4 Front/Xr4 rear, XR4 front/XR2 Rear and XR4 Front/Mud-X Rear combo`s to see if there is any difference but for me, that tyre is not comming of my front end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bauhaus
    I use two different tires - one of them being a Continental Rubber Queen US (now Trail King) in a 2.2.

    I also run a Schwalbe Nobby Nic UST in a 2.4:

    http://www.schwalbetires.com/nobby_nic_hs411

    These two tires actually weigh almost same on my home scale 795g for the NN and 862g fro the RQ and they both have almost identical widths - about 2.26".

    Currently, I run the NN in the front and the RQ in the back. Not sure why, but this setup works the best for me. Seems like the perfect combo for my conditions - SoCal dry, rocky, lots of technical climbing.
    I'm running the 2010 2.4" Nobby Nic UST and it measures...2.4". Running a 2.4" Mountain King UST that measures 2.2". Both good tyres but the Nobby Nic has the more grip.

    Edit: Excuse the poor pic.


    Mountain King 2.4 UST and Nobby Nic UST side by side:


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    Quote Originally Posted by ban
    how do they work as a "winter" tire? muddy, wet rocks and roots and so on...
    there's probably better then the XR4 for each specific conditions but as an all rounder I haven't found better. I prefer it to the High rollers I used to run and they havent put a foot wrong in the rain strewn, rocky and muddy peak district (UK) where I live....don't be tempted by the Bontrager XDX though (which came on my new bike) they are truly sh1t.

    2.2 XR4 is about the same size as a Highroller 2.35

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    WTB Prowler MX 2.24 and 2.5
    while not UST I run them on my Crossmax UST wheelsets
    best front tire I've found, seal easily with a bit of Stans and work everywhere except thick mud
    I bought them for fall leaf riding but now run them year round and even at Whistler's park
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    Schwalbe Fat Albert's size 2.4
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    I like High Roller front, Ignitor rear for more XCish stuff. I like Nevegals as well.
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    UST Rubber queen 2.4 in front is awesome
    in rear now is 2.4 ardent set up as tubless (though it is not) with stan`s. Wish if maxxis would make UST 2.4 ardent...

    gonna to test bonti fr3 tblr next summer. seems to be almost the same as the ardent but real TLR tire

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    bronson 2.3 tcs
    weirwolf 2.3 tcs or race

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    weirwolf tcs

    Spread the wtb love, and ride the weirwolf 2.3 tcs!!!!
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    TCS!!! You have to try it! The best ever. WTB ALL DAY

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    here are my weirwolf 2.1 tcs xc casing tires setup tubeless so easy
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    Jerome Clementz, winner of many AM/enduro races is running WTB Weirwolf 2.3 front and WTB Wolverine 2.2 rear. I'm going to try this setup as well. They both got UST versions.

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    best tires ever. ive been spending time on the new bronson 2.3.sweet tires

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    I cant wait for the new bronson to come out. The wolverine is a great rear tcs tire and the weirwolf is grreat front or rear tcs as well and i have grown kinda fond of the dissent 2.3 ust as well. I have a highroller lust and it is small, i mean tiny and hard for a 2.35 so im not sure if lust is lightweight cause its a size or two smaller then what you think you are getting so it reads light on paper. But wtb seems to really be forming around the all mountain/ enduro side of things so seems great progress is being made.

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    i got bronsons wtb is the best tire company out there, no question. for trail riding and xc they have it on lock. This is my salsa ala carte 26" chromoly ss trail ripper. running the bronson 2.3 race with the supertrack dna rubber compound. super fast and super light. setup tubeless on a wtb laserdisk xc rim with stans yellow tape. and im running the mutano 2.4 race in back also tubeless. super legit setup. i ride hard and i cant flat them! other sidewalls are so thin. wtb tcs fr tires have the stringest sidewalls and when your running tubeless, thats important, because ive ripped a sidewall on another tire tubeless and i was ****ed. luckly i had cliffbar wrapper and a tube.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewayne
    I say don't go for a tubeless tires on a mountain bike.... it would really make your ride a little uncomfortable.... mountain bike tires should be unpressurized for a risking climbs and it can't be achieved on tubeless tires!!!

    Thanks, I'm now converting back to tubes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewayne
    I say don't go for a tubeless tires on a mountain bike.... it would really make your ride a little uncomfortable.... mountain bike tires should be unpressurized for a risking climbs and it can't be achieved on tubeless tires!!!
    Uh, oh. Looks like there is going to be a run on innertubes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewayne
    I say don't go for a tubeless tires on a mountain bike.... it would really make your ride a little uncomfortable.... mountain bike tires should be unpressurized for a risking climbs and it can't be achieved on tubeless tires!!!
    What'cha talkin'bout Willis (troll?)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewayne
    I say don't go for a tubeless tires on a mountain bike.... it would really make your ride a little uncomfortable.... mountain bike tires should be unpressurized for a risking climbs and it can't be achieved on tubeless tires!!!
    Isn't that's one of the strong points for going tubeless, so you can run your psi a bit lower than tubes and avoid snakebite at the same time?

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    Specialized Clutch Control 2.3 2bliss tires! Totally awesome for just about any riding condtions! Especially in the PacNW with anything from hard, wet, loam/soft, loose, slop. They only slip and slide a bit in super muck, but true mud tires are best for that anyways. The great thing about these tires too is that they are somewhat light at about 760g's, making them fairly climbing friendly, but has just about true DH performance on the way down with outstanding grip and control. These come in somewhat soft duro at 45/55, but have outlasted any 55 duro tires I have had in the past by months (WTB Prowler, Nevegal Sticky). So far, I have about 7-8 months on these with much tread life left, ridden 3-4x/wk all year on varied conditions with tons of tread eating fireroad climbs having to grind to get to the "goods". These tires also mount up tubeless with floor pump with no probs, but do require sealant to hold air. The only dis, is that they have a bit of rolling resistance to them (a little bit more than a Nevegal), but the lighter weight when ran tubeless definitely helps with that and I grind them up 2-3k' climbs on a regular basis.

    I have ridden on many different types and configurations of "AM' tires out there over the years and these are my fav's so far. I would only consider something different if primarily doing a lot of rock and desert riding like in the SW where harder, low tread and bigger volume tires excel. Would run a tire like the 2.4 Trail Kings UST instead for that and would probably want a thicker ply like the SX Clutch if park or gravity assist riding on a regular basis. Other than that, these tires rule for the "AM' fair. Good job Spesh, even like them better than my beloved DHF's.
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    I've two XT wheelsets and regularly swap between: Kenda SB8's for dry/hardpack conditions and Maxxis Advantage for all other conditions. Both UST tyres with sealant.

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    I found the 2.3 Highroller LUST tires to have very small volume, fairly high rolling resistance and pretty bad traction. Got 2.4" RQ in UST but they weighted way over the claimed amount, very close to DH territory.

    Now back to running ghetto tubeless, luckily it's worked well for me

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    I like the Maxxis Minion UST tyres, they always perform well for me in all conditions

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