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    Because you don't see enough AM vids


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    Looked kinda fun but I found all the excessive speed and unnecessary little flicking to be annoying. They were working way too hard to get style points.

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    Excessive speed? I'm having a tough time swallowing that one, some people just like going faster, any time I'm on single track pointed downhill to flat I'm probably going as fast as I possibly can. If you like pedaling along thats fine, but I donno if I'd call it excessive speed, fast is fun for alot of people!

    Likewise, jumping, popping off little lips, and generally being playful on a trail is a big thumbs up in my book, I'm not out there as a job, I'm out there to have fun and to play around!

    Either way, to each their own!

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    I would love to ride there! Thanks for the video.
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    Cool vid.

    Quote Originally Posted by William42
    Excessive speed? I'm having a tough time swallowing that one, some people just like going faster, any time I'm on single track pointed downhill to flat I'm probably going as fast as I possibly can. If you like pedaling along thats fine, but I donno if I'd call it excessive speed, fast is fun for alot of people!

    Likewise, jumping, popping off little lips, and generally being playful on a trail is a big thumbs up in my book, I'm not out there as a job, I'm out there to have fun and to play around!

    Either way, to each their own!
    For a hack on a bike, Anything close to 15mph is excessive speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razorfish
    Looked kinda fun but I found all the excessive speed and unnecessary little flicking to be annoying. They were working way too hard to get style points.

    really dude? what those guys are doing in that vid is THE REASON i sold my DH bike and got a short travel. To spend more time actually riding, and not shuttling etc. Most of the trails around don't warrant at 10 inch bike.
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    Don't get all bent, kiddies. If you like it then great. I like it too. Just seemed fake and contrived for the video. That's all.

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    Great vid. I'd love to ride there! Dig the soundtrack, too. Thanks for sharing.
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    Looked like they were trying way to hard.
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    3:02 Hobbit Hole!!!!

    That surely is a mystical land...!
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    I'd hit it.
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    It reminds me of our trails, except swap out coniferous for deciduous, reduce moisture levels by 80% and include a 7 km gravel road climb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razorfish
    Don't get all bent, kiddies. If you like it then great. I like it too. Just seemed fake and contrived for the video. That's all.
    ...What video isn't fake and contrived? I think that's kind of the idea. Apparently you haven't watched any of The Collective films...
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    Cool Video

    Thanks for the stoke. Making me wanna go on a road trip. The snow situation here has me down, either too much (no biking) or not enough (no pow), depending on what you want to do.

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    I watched that video yesterday. Loved it! Looks like a sweet ride to me.

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    Sweet Vid. Good camera work too - trails really resemble SWPA a lot.
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    I liked the vid and the riding - thats how I ride. There will always be h8trs and some that feel a certain way about things, but thats what you must expect posting on the web. Keep up the shredding
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    Looks like a lot of fun, hope you guys enjoyed making that video as I am sure there are a lot of us that enjoyed watching it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razorfish
    Don't get all bent, kiddies. If you like it then great. I like it too. Just seemed fake and contrived for the video. That's all.
    All that flicking, popping, and scrubbing is what separates an AM ride from a trail ride. Sometimes you gotta do that stuff to go fast, most of it isn't throwing style even if it looks like it. Face it, going fast is just stylish!

    Damn good video too.
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    Looked like a fun trail but I kept waiting for the part where they needed the armor...
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    watched it three days ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mk3Rider
    Looks like a lot of fun, hope you guys enjoyed making that video as I am sure there are a lot of us that enjoyed watching it!
    I didn't make it, just spotted it and thought the AM forum might enjoy it

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    Quote Originally Posted by William42
    Likewise, jumping, popping off little lips, and generally being playful on a trail is a big thumbs up in my book, I'm not out there as a job, I'm out there to have fun and to play around!
    NO, NO, NO!!!

    Fun on a bike? We can't let this one go. Ban the video. now.

    Think of the children.
    You better just go ahead and drop that seatpost down to the reflector... the trail gets pretty rough down there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clutchman83
    All that flicking, popping, and scrubbing is what separates an AM ride from a trail ride. Sometimes you gotta do that stuff to go fast, most of it isn't throwing style even if it looks like it. Face it, going fast is just stylish!

    Damn good video too.
    I even saw one of them look at the camera, wink and give a thumbs up. I saw that in CHiPs once too.

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    Enduroism? HAH. I laugh at that. I've done Enduro's 30x longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William42
    It looks like fun riding, but why would anyone call that AM? I could only load 2 min, 30 sec of the vid, but unless something drastically different happens in the rest of the vid, that's my definition of XC, or I am much more hard core than I thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattsavage
    3:02 Hobbit Hole!!!!

    That surely is a mystical land...!
    yessss I was observing that myself

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    who likes those ERGON BD1's those guys were rockin?!?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattsavage
    3:02 Hobbit Hole!!!!

    That surely is a mystical land of ...!

    . . ."U-tubia!!!"

    a magical land where no ones chain sucks in six inches of winter glupe and trails always head down . . .

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    Haha apparently AM doesn't include pedaling. Ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glynis27
    I would love to ride there! Thanks for the video.
    I second the motion...Great video, makes me want to get out and blast through these trails. Good music and sweet camera shots...although it would had definitely rode straight though the center of the muddy patch 2:15min into the video. Props to the riders control of the bike in taking the turns on those slippery leaves.

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    To all you people talking about how its not your "ideal AM ride" and how its not gnar enough and blahblahblah.


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    Quote Originally Posted by William42
    To all you people talking about how its not your "ideal AM ride" and how its not gnar enough and blahblahblah.

    I know, that is a definitive AM ride IMO! Just pedaling is boring as shite to watch, why include it?
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    But what was the all mountain part? Just a nice xc trail is all I saw...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikinfoolferlife
    But what was the all mountain part? Just a nice xc trail is all I saw...
    Dude, you're hardcoreness is blinding.

    But come on, when was the last time you say a XC rider with their seat slammed? That vid was dope, even if the trail was flatter than most we ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clutchman83
    Dude, you're hardcoreness is blinding.

    But come on, when was the last time you say a XC rider with their seat slammed? That vid was dope, even if the trail was flatter than most we ride.
    I'm far from hardcore. I just don't get what's all mountain about that trail or the video. I guess yesterday's xc is now today's all mountain...just with different music, clothes and nicer bikes...
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    Damn, that got me pumped to ride....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikinfoolferlife
    I'm far from hardcore. I just don't get what's all mountain about that trail or the video. I guess yesterday's xc is now today's all mountain...just with different music, clothes and nicer bikes...
    I've never seen XC riders scrub a jump or pop a lip like that. Sorry calling bs on your skepticism.
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    Dudes, relax a bit, its not a pissing match for how gnar the AM trails you ride are, and how much harder you have to work for your trails. Its some skilled riders shredding a beautiful trail. You could ride it on an XC bike sure, but not half as fast. Sit back, relax, and enjoy it - maybe even go out and ride your bike because it pumps you up to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clutchman83
    I've never seen XC riders scrub a jump or pop a lip like that. Sorry calling bs on your skepticism.
    Um, where I come from nearly everyone "pops off lips" and "scrubs jumps" but hardly anyone calls it "AM" riding??? We mostly call it "riding our bikes in the bush". The doing is "we are riding our bikes in the bush" and done is "we rode our bikes in the bush' and so forth....


    Ps, I totally loved the vid as it got me out and riding despite a nagging injury.
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    Nice vid. I feel the urge to ride trying to pry me away from work.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bikinfoolferlife
    But what was the all mountain part? Just a nice xc trail is all I saw...
    The trail itself doen't decide what you ride on it. Most "Freeride" trails or even bikeparks can be ridden on a flimsy XC-hardtail. It takes a good rider and it will be slow, but it is doable. Does that turn freeriding into XC? Certainly not.

    As for the vid, its the speed and flow that makes it "more then cross-country". Which according to this forum is "AM".

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    All the pure AM guys are just ticket-off they can't ride there. hahahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikinfoolferlife
    But what was the all mountain part? Just a nice xc trail is all I saw...
    I agree, it looked like fun riding, and calling it XC is not (for me at least) meant as a criticism. I don't think of XC as slow and easy, just no real stunts. I don't see anything in the vid (at least the first half that I could load) which a beginner/intermediate rider could not handle with ease on an XC bike.

    I do give the riders props for the speed at which they are hitting it, but as far as style, they look like they are wasting a lot of energy and movement on overly exaggerated technique for the sake of the camera.

    Also, I think it is very well shot.

    I think it is a good video.

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    All-Mountain is a marketing category for bikes.

    AM is NOT a type of trail, a style of riding, a difficulty level, a climb, a descent, a video, a tire, a person, a rotor size, a trail length/duration, etc, etc.

    It was a cool trail being ridden by guys on AM bikes. Good video with nice shots and good editing. Fun on bikes is fun on bikes. Why does the mention of "All Mountain" conjure so much drama among members of this forum?
    You better just go ahead and drop that seatpost down to the reflector... the trail gets pretty rough down there.

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    I like it. Good camera shots. I wonder how long it took to do all the shooting? With setting up and finding good places to film from it must have taken quite a bit of work.
    I didn't agree with riding through the puddles although they seem to keep the skidding under control.
    They seemed like they were trying too hard, but then again, I doubt they rode non stop from shot to shot. More likely riding hard, stop, rest ride hard, repeat to get the good camera shots.
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    Thanks for the vid it's great! cuality shooting and music! We need more AM/trail/enduro/what ever nonDH nonXC videos!

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    Fun, well shot video.

    I gotta agree with Kapusta on it being a much more XC video. I live in FL, where pretty much everything falls under the "XC" category because we don't even have mountains. Our XC race-specific trails are a hell of a lot harder than that, and you can bet the racers are going full-throttle on them!

    I didn't see any excessive speed or overly "stylish" riding. It just looked like the way you have to handle your bike to ride at that speed effectively. Don't knock it 'till you've tried it.
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    Cool video. Wonder if it's the NE US.

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    That could be interesting.

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    Video is pretty well made. I liked it.


    I love the comment on "excessive speed."


    In fact, it's going to become my new user text.
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    Thank god there's no Limp Bizkit as the soundtrack like everyone else.

    It's also really close to my gf's family's home, where I travel often, so this is a real possibilty.

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    Chuck Norris actually has two middle names.



    Chuck Excessive Speed Norris.




    If you look in the encyclopedia under the word speed, it says "See: Chuck Norris."

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    Great Vid Very well put together

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    Quote Originally Posted by kapusta
    I agree, it looked like fun riding, and calling it XC is not (for me at least) meant as a criticism. I don't think of XC as slow and easy, just no real stunts. I don't see anything in the vid (at least the first half that I could load) which a beginner/intermediate rider could not handle with ease on an XC bike.

    I do give the riders props for the speed at which they are hitting it, but as far as style, they look like they are wasting a lot of energy and movement on overly exaggerated technique for the sake of the camera.

    Also, I think it is very well shot.

    I think it is a good video.
    That's more along the line of my thought. I'd love to ride that trail, on any bike, as it's suitable for any bike. They are quick but I think many could keep up with them. The exaggerated pump for the camera is understandable, though, but personally I'd just concentrate on enjoying the flow. Good camera, editing and music; too bad the trail's in Germany, though, kinda looked like PNW stuff and was hoping....
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    WOW!! Cool vid. I am learning and if I saw this on you tube I would have thought it was a XC video. I guess since it is a bit more aggressive..it is AM???

    I like to go fast and hit little stumps and roots for tiny airs. There are no big drops or anything crazy in my local area. Maybe I need to start taking my Komodo more often and leave the trail bike home. As a somewhat newbie...Im glad I saw this video because this is how I ride.

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    OK...So I just read everyones responses...I guess me thinking it was XC isnt too far fetched.

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    Not a bad video , the guys do seem like they are" trying" a little too hard , but nontheless a good vid. Sram has a good one on their website . I hope the link works
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    o.k didn`t work . go to truvativ website , than click on all mountain , click on hammerschmidt / english , than all mountain, than who will love it .

    HE HE HE I hope I didn`t lose anybody
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    I wish I had that much energy. The one guy out front was pedaling like a mad man. Great video!
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    It's a little long winded, but the footage in this video is impressive, IMO.

    http://freecaster.tv/1000006_1006913

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    Tough crowd.

    The winter seems to be dragging people down.

    Nice video though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Thank god there's no Limp Bizkit as the soundtrack like everyone else.
    I'm so much with you there!!!

    From most if not all the the few vids I see their made impossible to enjoy with the sounds on cos of the worst music there is on this planet.

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    looks like another XC video to me!

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    Good speedy XC video

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razorfish
    Don't get all bent, kiddies. If you like it then great. I like it too. Just seemed fake and contrived for the video. That's all.
    Fake and contrived? Really? Looks to me like the kind of riding I do every time I hit the trail. Or hell, even when commuting home from work (if the terrain allows, and if you get creative, it will). Nice to see some smooth, focused riding that isn't guys ripping 12 foot hucks off cedar laders (which really, I'll never do or even SEE) or going downhill over groomed race courses at 55 mph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fungazi
    Fake and contrived? Really? Looks to me like the kind of riding I do every time I hit the trail. Or hell, even when commuting home from work (if the terrain allows, and if you get creative, it will). Nice to see some smooth, focused riding that isn't guys ripping 12 foot hucks off cedar laders (which really, I'll never do or even SEE) or going downhill over groomed race courses at 55 mph.
    Yeah, read all the comments. Several people thought the same thing. While it does look like fun the "acting" for the camera was lame. Looking cool is one thing but trying to look cool is not cool.

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    Anyone able to identify the bikes used in the video?

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    Nice vid, thanks!

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    Someone call the fun police!

    I think dudes pumping over undulating terrain should be banned.

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    [beer has been consumed mode]

    Isn't the elephant in the room that these forums do not have a section for "TRAIL RIDING" which is what 99% of my UK brethren on bikes spend their time doing and looks a bit like this video. For what it is worth, they are good at trail riding on that video.

    XC is racing and wearing lycra.

    When we UKers go to the Alps for our once a year uplift holiday, we don't become freeriders. We become trail riders on a mountain (for the most part). If we add to the expense of the expedition by keeping a bike with a bit more heft and suspension travel, with a bit more brake and toting a spot of body armour, we might well be justified in calling ourselves "all-mountain" because it is all the mountain we will be seeing with a bike between our thighs.

    And here is the nub of the matter. If you rode with your full face helmet/if you rode with your body armour/if you rode with your 50mm stem/if your rode with your super tacky tyres on your regular UK ride with your regular group of UK trail riders... you would be the slowest, most laughable spectacle on the rolling face of the hillock. [editor's note: there are some who appreciate a style of riding that involves riding to access certain "hits", but the drunken ramblings of the poster are dismissing this style of riding out of hand because such riding mostly consists of sitting around looking at the hit in a manner that can be construed too easily as a waste of decent riding time]

    Now to add an alternate perspective I can reference my weekend's riding in Wales at a Welsh trail centre (for you non-natives, Wales is hillier than England and has a few non-lift-served trail centres). The riding group included a few staff from the local bike shop and a few dedicated trail riders (in which category I include myself). Saturday was more of an XC ride where the distance stacked up with linking sections of fire trail (46km and 2000m of climbing), finished off with a technical descent. Sunday had us caning every last technical trail in the centre, racking up 65km and 1500m of climbing with an emphasis on hard and fast. We were travelling light, trail-style. All of us were on 5 inch bikes on trails that could have been handled on a hardtail. However, a 5 inch full-suss bike gave us options to cane it through the rougher sections and get more speed and more flow for longer than we would have achieved without rear suspension. Going much heavier on the bike would have slowed us down when pedal input was needed on the descents and would definitely have slowed us on the climbs. The trails are bench cut into the face of the hill, so there is no need for radically slack angles to handle radically steep terrain. None of our bikes would be considered optimal for XC racing. For the descents I dropped my saddle. Does that make me AM? Probably not as it was sufficient to drop it just half an inch from my optimum climbing position. If I had dropped my saddle lower, I would have been slower. I've got helmet camera footage of the whole day, with us caning it past other riders pausing for a breather, many of whom seemed to be sporting substantial bikes.

    I rode tonight with a local group on a ride where a bike importer turned up and let us run their bikes on demo. My 5 incher is one of their bikes, so I decided to try out bikes on either side of my favoured trail bike. The long travel hardtail was exhilarating, coping better with technical descents and inviting more aggressive riding than I expected it to. The slack angled all mountain bike was an efficient enough pedaler but didn't make me go faster on the downhills we've got around here except perhaps for one 45 foot stretch of rutted descent.

    So...

    ... none of the above is suggesting that the only bike required in the whole wide world is a Specialized Stumpjumper FSR.

    ... I have an unfathomable desire to own a bike with more suspension travel than the one I currently have.

    ... my conclusion is that if all mountain means running slow-rolling tyres, body armour, slack angles and a saddle below an optimum pedaling position, then all mountain is a style of riding that would mean I would ride less in the locations I find myself able to ride.

    I'm not all mountain. I'm not XC. What am I? Ah yes. I'm drunk.

    [/beer has been consumed mode]

    If anybody fails to notice that this post is tongue in cheek... they've got more problems than working out which category of bike rider they belong to.

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