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    Aussie members, i have $5500 what AM bike?

    So i have 5500AUD to spend on a new full suspension AM ride.

    I'm not riding huge drops etc at the moment, but do ride some smaller ones and want to have the ability to ride the heavy stuff.

    Must be a good climber, the guy i ride with has a more cross country orientated bike and i need to be able to more or less keep up with him in the uphill.

    I would rather buy something with a good spec than pay more for an expensive frame and low spec.

    Prefer Sram over shimano shifters/derailuer

    My local bike stores stock Trek, Cannondale, Specialized, Giant, Avanti

    I am so far tossing up between a Giant Reign 0 or a Trek Remedy 8

    The Giant is only 3999 and comes with a good Spec (X.0 rear, X.9 Triggers, Race face Dues XC Cranks) Fox32 Talas, Avid Elixir CR HD brakes, Mavic EN521 wheels. I could then use the spare money to buy some new bars, Adjustable seat post and a new helmet. But i dont really want a white bike and the website only seems to offer white.

    The Remedy is 4999 and comes with a XT Shimano groupset which im not super keep on (I just much prefer is SRAM shifting) Fox32 Talas RL, Elixir R Carbon HD, Bontrager Rhythm comp Wheels. this then leaves me 500 to buy an adjustable seat post and a few odds and ends. LBS says if they had a similar spec SRAM bike they would swap the gear over for me, but at the moment they dont.

    I like the remedy frame and colour better (yes i know this shouldnt matter)

    however i havent ridden either yet as the stores are trying to get in demo models.

    I origionally wanted a santa cruz nomad buts it just going to be too expensive.

    any thoughts?

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    here's the link to the aussie giant site

    http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-AU/...ow=performance

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    Value for money I think Giant will be hard to beat.

    For Santa Cruz check out the AM Duallies on www.tbsm.com.au

    Specific link is below, seems to be maybe just out of your budget with the Sram X9 spec, but maybe you could negotiate down to X7?http://tbsm.com.au/index.php?main_pa...oducts_id=3587

    Also if you're considering looking at 2nd hand bikes, forums like Rotorburn are good to keep an eye on.
    http://www.rotorburn.com/forums/forum.php
    or HTF if you're over in WA
    http://www.hucktoflat.com/htf/smf/
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    Impressive spec for the money on this one!

    http://tbsm.com.au/index.php?main_pa...oducts_id=2848

    But I must say I'd probably rather a Giant than a more "boutique" type bike, particularly if buying new as so much value is lost after the first ride (just like cars), well unless of course the sale price is just too hard to pass by.

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    PM me, I could save you about $1500 !!!

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    other aardvark you have a PM

    thanks for the suggestions guys. and yeah the Giant seems like such a good deal! i guess ill know when i ride one.

    got 2 weeks of holidays from work starting a week from now. so im hoping to have the new bike by then, fingers crossed,

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    Give Phantom Cycles a ring. They'll sort you out with a good deal on whatever you want.

    If it were me though, and it was last year, i'd save a bit more and go for a Pivot Mach 5 or a Pivot Firebird.

    The Giants are excellent value though and will be hard to beat.

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    +1 for Phantom Cycles, I've never purchased a bike off them but have purchased a reasonable amount of other stuff. Definitely a great store with excellent service and fast postage. One of my favourites for sure.

    But you're in Qld aren't you? I haven't dealt with them for quite some time now but For The Riders is in QLD and seems like a good store from the dealings I've had with them a few years ago now.

    www.fortheriders.com.au

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    Oh since I've figured out you're in Qld (according to your profile), I used to frequent this forum back when living in Darwin and then Townsville. A great bunch of people and worthwhile posting your thread up there too (if you haven't already).
    http://www.mtbdirt.com.au/forum
    Pretty sure it would still be Brizzy based, so probably a good one if you want to find some people to hook up for local rides wherever you live.

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    I won't speak on the Giant's behalf because I haven't ridden one, but the Trek I do have some ride time on - and holy sheet, it is a very, very good bike.

    I had the pleasure of taking it for a ride up the local State XC course and then bombing down the State DH course, which was absolutely ideal for this bike.
    Keep in mind I was on the '09 model with a beefy 160mm Lyrik, instead of the 150mm Fox forks that come on the 2010.
    The bike is very efficient to pedal, no qualms there - and I'm used to riding a 100mm duallie but I never felt like I was pedalling something bigger when I was on the Remedy.
    It makes you look like a much better rider, I was making lots of bad line choices (up and downhill) and the Remedy would just motor over the top of them and continue to build momentum.

    The suspension design is stunningly simple, and with the quality of Trek frames, I would be quite happy knowing it was going to last me a long time. The other benefit of Trek is you get a lifetime warranty on the frame, but unlike Giant the warranty is still valid if you enter into events or races - not a deal breaker for everyone, but something to think about nonetheless. I tend to ride a few of the more casual events (going to do Buller Fest) and this point is quite important for me.

    The bike seems to really hit the "all-mountain" tag it's going for, and with the 2010 models, even more so. It has a great set of wheels (even though Bontrager don't have a great name) which give the bike the direct and stiff steering through the rough stuff, that are light and wide.
    The ABP system works, and even with my sh!t-scared approach to downhilling with my hands firmly on the brakes most of the way down, the rear suspension was never stiffening up under braking. When we were hitting some particularly hairy rock gardens, this made a big difference to me staying on the bike and not heading into the trees.
    I also like the Full-Floater approach, as it gives a very bottomless feel to the suspension. At the end of the ride the little sag O-ring was off the shock, but I had never heard a clunk or felt the shock bottoming out.
    With Trek and Fox being owned by the same conglomerate, they have managed to get a really nice tune on the shock that works well with the frame too. No funny linkage ratios or wheel paths either, which gives a consistent feel.
    This is probably quite specific, but if you have a bit of experience with duallies then you will find a difference between the two designs.

    If your priority is getting the best spec for the money (which you stated in the OP) then you've already selected the Giant I'm sure.
    But as you know there is a bit more to how a bike rides than what rear derailleur or carbon handlebar it has, and it's up to you how you invest your money.
    I would argue that it's cheaper to upgrade/swap components on a bike down the track than it is to buy a new frame, so getting the best riding bike from the start should be your priority.
    After riding the Trek, I am obviously heavily biased as I had a ripper time on it.
    I would love to get some saddle time on the Reign as a comparison, but have a bit of an idea after riding Trances and Anthems.

    Did you end up finding out if you have the chance to test ride both bikes?
    Do you know what size you are after?
    What have you been riding previously?

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    Hey man,
    I am not sure if you are willing to buy online, but if you are... Well, then there is a lot more options. Larry, from Mountain Cycles, I know for a fact ships worldwide. Just my 2 cents...
    If you are buying from him I would definitely look into a Knolly Endorphin. Good luck

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    Hi Guys.

    Yes i am from QLD, Live on the Sunshine Coast, about an hour from Brisbane. I had totally forgotten about the MTBDIRT forum, what a good idea.

    Little willy, thanks for the great insight into the trek

    Its funny someone mentioned the firebird. theres one at my LBS and they are discontinuing Pivot bikes in 2010 and said they would sell it to me for cost price. shame its a large frame.

    i really need a medium 17ish size.

    ill check out a few websites but really i dont want to buy a bike i havent ridden and if i test one at a bike store locally id like to give them my money.

    Havent gotten a test ride yet as its still the weekend and everyone is closed on sunday. hopefully get something sorted out on monday, fingers crossed.

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    Lol it's the same here in WA, everything is closed on Sunday, even the local supermarket (in smaller towns anyway)!

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    I will never tell a person what bike to ride, but if I had $5,500 dollars. i would have a new Ibis Mojo HD with XT kita nad upgrade the wheels to Crank Brothers Iodine.

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    If you have a c'dale dealer, you should give the rz140 / rize a ride. It's a pretty solid bike, capable of handling AM abuse and a sweet climber.
    Go for a lefty model, it's worth it and better.
    I dunno **** about exchange rates, but this is the shizzle: http://www.cannondale.com/usa/usaeng...Forty-Carbon-2
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    For that kind of money,stay away from giant and trek! You should do yourself a favor and go after the legendary Santa Cruz Nomad.The VPP suspension climbs like a mountain goat and is incredible downhill.If you cant get one,also check out the Ibis Mojo HD,I have not seen one yet but hear its a standard Mojo on steroids....Those 2 choices would be well worth your money...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Willy
    With Trek and Fox being owned by the same conglomerate,
    Uh Trek works with Fox but I don't think there owned by the same parent company...If I'm wrong I would like to know who the company is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by socalMX
    For that kind of money,stay away from giant and trek! .If you cant get one,also check out the Ibis Mojo HD,...
    SocalMX - Unfortunatly down here in Aus, $5500 would only get you the Mojo HD Frame and maybe a fork.
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    TBSM Can get me a Blur LT in X.9 Build

    Fox Talas 32 150mm adjustable
    Fox RP23


    how would this bike fare in the rougher stuff? how far behind the Nomad is the Blur?

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    Blur LT if majority of your riding is brisbane trails.

    6" dually is an overkill really. The Blur will do the job very nicely.

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    Why Brissy trails? basically my riding is mostly the more technical end of XC with some log rides, small drop offs etc. i want something thats tough enough to handle a few feet of drops and small jumps etc without being too heavy.

    the blur is at the upper end of what i can spend buts looking very attractive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitto
    Blur LT if majority of your riding is brisbane trails.

    6" dually is an overkill really. The Blur will do the job very nicely.
    I second that.

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    nothing in se qld is really technical [well maybe some parts of Nerang, Parklands, Tewantin & Castle Hill] that warrants a 6" travel bike. alot of the trails have been dumb'd down thanks to the trail care guru's.

    a 5" trail bike like the Blur LT is perfect. you want something light enough to do long climbs on, but will handle great on the way down.

    I am switching out from a Reign 6" dually to a Ragley Bluepig HT to see how it handles the type iof riding i actually do instead of the riding i dreamed i had the ability to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitto
    the type iof riding i actually do instead of the riding i dreamed i had the ability to do.
    Ha ha, mee too! I realized a proper DH bike doesn't necessarily make me a good n proper dh rider! It was probably a hinderance as I couldn't go fast enough to use it to it's full or real ability!

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    I doubt you would go to wrong with the Blur. I am currently going through the same dilemma. The only other thing that puts doubt in my head is the Remedy.
    That being said I am planning to build the bike I spend the next 5 - 10 with so i am looking at the Carbon models. I would dearly love to get some ride time on both to better make a decision. I wonder if you can get the Remedy carbon as frame only over here?

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    I don't believe the Remedy is available as a frame-only, very few of the Treks come into Aus as a frame option.

    And to Anthiron - have you considered the Trance X/Fuel EX type of bikes?
    The current crop of 5" travel trail bikes are exceptionally capable and can be ridden on very challenging terrain, certainly miles ahead of 5" trail bikes from years ago.
    If you're riding more XC/technical XC then you don't need much more than 120mm travel IMO.

    The Santa Cruz bikes seem nice, not a fan of VPP, but they're obviously popular bikes.
    The distributor over here is a top bloke but the operation is very much on the smaller side, so backup service/warranty may not be as good as some of the more established suppliers.

    Are you a competent mechanic? As going for a boutique bike that has limited dealer support may leave you a bit on your own if you have pivot issues/noises/frame issues etc.

    Have you checked out the Spesh Stumpjumper?
    Another option could be the Gary Fisher Roscoe - very much an AM bike that will suit riders coming from an XC background, very light and lively.

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    Another option would be the Giant Trance X. It is very capable going down, has 5" of travel, and will climb like a goat. The Reign and Trance X are very similar bikes.

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    The remedy id definately N/A as frame only, i looked into that.

    Little willy: i have ridden a trance x 2 and although it felt plush the bike felt very long and too XCish.

    Why dont you like VPP, I have emailed neezy a few times and yeah the fella seems very helpful.

    Im pretty good mechanically, been working on volkswagens for years so im pretty used to having to fix things :P I'm picking up bike mechanics fairly well.

    I have thought about a Specialized but most seem even more expensive bang for buck wise than the SC.

    As for trails Parklands is where i usually ride.


    I'm riding a Blur XC tomorrow as i cant get a hold of an LT to test any time soon. will ride a Nomad at the same place and compare. i know the suspension will be nice i just want to get a feel for the frame.

    stil waiting to hear whether my LBS can get in a Remedy 8.

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    Hi Anthiron,

    There's plenty of great bikes to choose from and all are really good suggestions so far and there are a lot of deals out there, so a great time to shop. I've ridden Parklands a few times. You are a very lucky man, that is such a premo place to ride, tough, but rewarding. I love the two rainforest areas, particular the one with the log rides, nice. I've ridden there on Giants, Blur LT and Blur XC.

    You will love the Blur XC, it is probablly SCs best bike. It will be a tiny bit more active over the bumps, more so than a LT, but I like that. Out of all of the bikes suggested, the XC will fly up hills at Parklands the best - it loves to climb. An XC with 120mm fork would be ace. I've ridden an old Trek there too, and the Remedy will go okay I reckon.

    Give Tim a call at For The Riders bike shop, he's the owner and I have taken him up there and he has ridden your area - he's switched on and can give you a good deal. They have great deals on half priced Iron Horse at the moment, I know they have a Trance for around 3K as well. They are a SC and Yeti dealer as well.

    SC distributor is a smaller guy yes, from my experience he is very well known by SC and has trememdous factory support and gives tremedous support.

    VPP2 is much more civilised now, pivot issues and squeaks are a thing of the past really.

    http://www.fortheriders.com.au/home.php?cat=159


    I agree with Little Willy, the current crop of 5" bikes are really good now. I'm looking at a 120mm bike myself.

    I think 5.5 and 6" are starting to be challenged in the market with the great quality and extra capability of 4 and 5" bikes that are around now, they can be ridden very hard down, much the same, and really show them up on the climbs. The 5.5 to 6" area is all too soft and comfy, and maybe aimed at a market of the very recent past. Time and product evolution will tell.

    Good luck and I reckon keep the travel down as low as you dare with a slack head angle, perfect for the mix of Parklands.

    Cheers

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    As no one else has raised it

    I'm not sure of the logic of parts over quality frame.

    While it may seem wise to start with the best spec over frame, those are all parts that will wear out long before the frame ever will. Having been in your position, I'd focus on a good frame, shock, fork and ideall wheelset as these are the big ticket items. Get those locked and the rest can be upgraded bit by bit each pay check. The weight saving in the rest of the parts with a bike like those you're looking at is negligible between medium and high end parts and the difference in performance of X7 to X9 as an example is not miles apart for this type of bike - for XC racing maybe, but not an all day trail bike.

    Also in a years time when X10 or whatever is out, you'll want that anyway.

    Sink the money in the frame and worry about parts later. The Nomad (having owned one myself) - you won't go wrong. Trek Remedy 8 is also getting rave reviews. Giant is good value but you can get a better performing bike in the long run with a bit more resale value too.

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    +1 to Heeza

    Spend as much as you can on the frame, wheels and fork. Totally right. It pays off in the end.

    Supper deals on Nomads can be found at the moment - they are clearing them for a possible carbon Nomad.

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    Well i rode a full XTR build Blur XC today with carbon easton bars. about 9.5 kilos.

    DAMN! definately the nicest bike i have ridden.

    the Carbon XC is still a bit out of my price range though so im looking at the LT as my first choice and i think it will be a good one. still no word on whether i will be able to get a ride on a remedy.

    whats everyones opinions on fork Choice.

    is a Talas FIT 150mm worth it? Should i stick with a Float 150 FIT?

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    Consensus seems to be....

    If you must have travel adjust then TALAS, otherwise the Float has a better feel, even taking into account that both now have FIT.

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    Well i just ordered a Black powder coat Santa Cruz Blur LT

    It's gotta come from the states though so TBSM say it will be 1 - 2 weeks

    R build (since finding out all the new shimano shifters have 2 way shift on the up shift now i dont mind them and this saved me some money)
    Upgraded the brakes to Elixir CR
    Fox FIT RLC Talas 150mm
    Fox RP23 shock

    with the money i saved from getting the R AM build instead of the X.9 Build, i bought a Matt Black Fox Flux helmet.

    I'm Happy

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    Awesome,sounds like a killer bike!Now the worse part is going to be the wait.Enjoy and post pics!!!

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    nice, TALAS has coped a bit of flack over the years, but the fox talas36 i have is great. you do use the travel adjust more than you think.

    Blur LT is a very nice bike. Much better than a Trek. IMHO

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    Nice choice with the BLT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthiron
    So i have 5500AUD to spend on a new full suspension AM ride.

    any thoughts?

    Nicko
    Yup. That's a nice problem to have.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

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    Finally received my new SC Blur LT about a week ago.

    Haven't had a chance to ride any serious trails on it yet but i did hit some single track a couple of days ago and I'm definitely impressed!

    In its current guise specs are:

    Medium Blur LT alloy frame in black powdercoat
    Fox RP23 Shock
    Fox32 FIT RC2 150mm Talas fork
    Tru\/ati\/ stylo Cranks 22/32/44
    tru\/ati\/ stylo Team 680mm bars
    tru\/ati\/ Husselfelt 40mm no rise stem (came with a stylo but it was toooooo long)
    XT long cage rear mech
    SLX front mech
    SLX shifters
    Deore Cassette
    A\/id Elixir CR brakes 185/160
    Easton EA50 10mm layback seat post
    WTB Pure \/ Race saddle
    Cane Creek Headset
    Ma\/ic XM 321 Rims laced to XT hubs front (15mm) and rear with 14 guage DT spokes
    Kenda Ne\/egals 2.35
    ODI Rogue grips
    Wellgo Wam D10 SP2 Pedals


    On the to do list:
    E Thirteen Turbo bash guard (white)
    Lizard Skin Peaty Grips (white)
    34 T Black spire middle ring
    Fizik Gobi saddle (white)
    Deity Flats (Black + White)
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    How tall are you if you don't mind me asking?

    I will be getting either the ALU or Carbon one sometime in the near future and an unsure whether to go the large or the medium frame.

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    I'm 5'9", the cockpit is quite long though so perhaps try to sit on one before you commit to buy?

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    Same here.

    Thats bizarre, most reports of the Blur's sizing was that they were a little on the smallish side.

    I will have to hassle some people to get me a demo in.

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    Nice

    Hi Anthiron. Nice bike mate. It will be an awesome ride on your local turf, I love every opportunity I get to ride mine up there - some great blur country there. Enjoy.

    Hey DamienP - where abouts are you, it should be easy enough to get a demo ride mate?
    You're right about the sizing, it is general viewed on the smaller side. I have a '09 M Blur and it is a bit too small for me. I'm going to have to change to a L. I'm thinking of selling mine if you are interested - it's kitted out with some nice high end stuff - FYI.

    Cheers guys.

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    perhaps i say its got a long cockpit because i came off a nice short freeride hardtail and onto this thing....

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