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    Ardent 2.4 front Highroller II 2.4 Rear???

    I've been wondering whether or not this would be a good setup for some all mountain riding. I rode a Bronson with Highroller II s front and rear and they didn't slip once while descending some rocky/rooty downhill
    I'm running 2.25 Ardents front and rear and have been pretty happy with them, but its the more technical downhill where I wish I had more tread.
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    I'd probably flip that around and run the HR2 up front and Ardent in the back. HR2 will have much more consistent grip in all conditions and the Ardent will roll faster out back.

    DHF front and Ardent Rear was a great combo on the one ride I had set up like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTscoob View Post
    I'd probably flip that around and run the HR2 up front and Ardent in the back. HR2 will have much more consistent grip in all conditions and the Ardent will roll faster out back.

    DHF front and Ardent Rear was a great combo on the one ride I had set up like that.
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    I ride an ardent 2.4 exo up front with a 2.35 3C high roller II out back and it is perfect. Running 26PSI on the Ardent and 30 on the high roller

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    +4 for the HR up front and Ardent in rear.

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    I run a 2.4 HRII up front and a Spec. Clutch 2.3 rear.
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    Ardent 2.4 front Highroller II 2.4 Rear???

    My Bronson is set up with the HR2 up front and an Ardent rear..... Love it.

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    I've got an Ardent 2.4 up front, and a Ground Control 2.1 in the rear. Its a good set up. There's really no reason to go 2.4 in the back. Its just more weight to pull around and will bog you down on the downhill.

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    Thanks for the suggestions... To me the Highroller just looks like a back tire, but I guess not, and the reason for the 2.4 in the rear is because there is just too many rooty climbs in my area. And compared to the ardent how does the Highroller II climb?

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    I live in Arizona where its all loose over hard pack. There's never any grip unless you make it. Its probably one of the hardest places to climb. I long for rooty dark dirt climbs where pebbles don't fly out from underneath. I still advise not to go 2.4 in the back. You really really don't need it. Just run a lower psi like 28 or if you can 25. Just make sure you don't go too low and get a sidewall failure.

    Also i dont see the Ardent being a good rear climber.

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    Ardent 2.4 front Highroller II 2.4 Rear???

    I ride in NW Arkansas and everything has roots and rocks. I rode the HR2 for about two months and it just felt really heavy and sluggish. Put the Ardent 2.25 on the back of the Bronson and it really woke it up. I run 25 psi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoop5 View Post
    I ride in NW Arkansas and everything has roots and rocks. I rode the HR2 for about two months and it just felt really heavy and sluggish. Put the Ardent 2.25 on the back of the Bronson and it really woke it up. I run 25 psi.
    I'm contemplating the same combo, HRII 2.3 front with Ardent 2.25 or 2.4 rear (650b here also)..
    How is the width of Ardent 2.25 compared to HRII 2.3 under gunned at all?
    The Ardent 2.4 might be too large compared to HRII 2.3 and not be a significant weight/rolling improvement..?

    To the OP HRII front and Ardent rear would be my first instinct also..
    Although as I've only ridden HRII front and rear can't say from experience, but Ardent should be faster rolling and less grip....

    Just not sure about best size match no matter which front/rear combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptd View Post
    I'm contemplating the same combo, HRII 2.35 front with Ardent 2.25 or 2.4 rear (650b here also)..
    How is the width of Ardent 2.25 compared to HRII 2.35 under gunned at all?
    The Ardent 2.4 might be too large compared to HRII 2.35 and not be a significant weight/rolling improvement..?

    To the OP HRII front and Ardent rear would be my first instinct also..
    Although as I've only ridden HRII front and rear can't say from experience, but Ardent should be faster rolling and less grip....

    Just not sure about best size match no matter which front/rear combo.
    I am on 650bs. Went from 2.25 Ardents front and rear to 2.3 HR2 front, 2.25 Ardent rear. Much more confident cornering hard with the HR2 up front...still rolls nice out back with Ardent. two thumbs up.
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    HR2 2.4 up front and Ardent 2.25 rear.
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    Def HR2 or even DHR2 front and ardent rear. Or HR2 f/r, or DHR2 f/r, or HR2/DHR2. You'll have way more confidence getting the ardent off the front.

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    I cant understand how anyone can run a 2.25 ardent on the rear in anything but moderate terrain. When I try running a 2.25 on the rear I lose traction on almost every climb on my local trail no matter what PSI I use.

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    I'm using a 2.1" low end Ground Control Sport on the rear in loose over hard pack at 28 psi and I find enough grip to climb the advanced uphills.

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    Ok HR2 up front but I still think I want a 2.4 in back... is the rolling resistance worth the climbing ability?
    Like I said earlier there is a lot of climbs with tons of wet roots where you need more then just momentum to get over

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    No. Width will only really improve cornering and increase rolling resistance and weight. Worse, its rotational inertia at the largest radius of your wheel. You want to go as thin as tolerable on the back because if this.

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    So the logical choices are:
    Front HR2 2.3 / rear Ardent 2.25 - my choice so far, 2.3 front is big enough on my 160mm bike for 3 hr rides.
    Front HR2 2.4 / rear Ardent 2.4 - might be ok but bigger and heavier for trail riding maybe for lift assisted type stuff.
    Front HR2 2.4 / rear Ardent 2.25 - on paper is odd size combination?

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    How about a 2.25 Ignitor in the rear? I think its a better rear tire than the Ardent. I much prefer my Ardent in the front (but I'm using a wide 2.4" in the front).

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    The wider the tire the bigger the knobs is what I was thinking would help with climbing, The knobs on my friends ardent 2.4s are twice the size of my 2.25

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    Your contact patch won't really include the knobs. If I'm visualizing this correctly the side knobs will be "along for the ride" until you start cornering.

    Can you run tubeless? Then the bigger rear tire could change things since you could run a ridiculously low psi and widen your contact patch.

    Ive never used one but with roots, I could imagine the DHR2 being great since it has those horizontal bars of grip right in the contact patch area. However these bars will create considerable rolling resistance. This is just speculation of course. Haven't ridden one yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillT19 View Post
    The wider the tire the bigger the knobs is what I was thinking would help with climbing, The knobs on my friends ardent 2.4s are twice the size of my 2.25
    Ha yeah I have a 2 2.25 ardents and a 2.4 and they are completely different tires. I wish the ardent 2.25 had as aggressive and big of knobs as the 2.4.

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    Can someone clarify why the Ardent makes a good rear tire? The tread pattern to me makes it a good front tire. I think a pattern like the Ignitor makes a good rear tire to get good grip and low rolling resistance. I also think the DHR2 makes a good rear but increases rolling resistance.

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    Why wouldn't you want the front to reconnect when it slides out? That's the reason I put the Ardent on the front

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    Well I may have to give the 2.25 Ardent a try in the back because I love the 2.4 in the front for loose over hard pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dahmwern View Post
    Can someone clarify why the Ardent makes a good rear tire? The tread pattern to me makes it a good front tire. I think a pattern like the Ignitor makes a good rear tire to get good grip and low rolling resistance. I also think the DHR2 makes a good rear but increases rolling resistance.
    The Ardent does have a more "front specific" tread pattern BUT it has weaksauce center knobs so the rolling resistance is low (yet braking is good because of the V-pattern of the center knobs) which makes for a great rear tire - low rolling resistance and decent cornering. Now if you ride in a lot of loose terrain, then a more aggro tread like a Trail King would be a better choice for grip while climbing.
    As for a front tire, the Minion DHF is so far superior to the Ardent (even the HR and HR2 are superior because of aggro side knobs) that there is just no good reason to ever run an Ardent as a front tire (unless you're just looking for speed in flats maybe - more Midwestern style riding).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman086 View Post
    As for a front tire, the Minion DHF is so far superior to the Ardent (even the HR and HR2 are superior because of aggro side knobs) that there is just no good reason to ever run an Ardent as a front tire (unless you're just looking for speed in flats maybe - more Midwestern style riding).
    Depends on your conditions, and the Ardent you are using. The 29er Ardent is much more consistent than the 26" Ardent as the transition knobs are full height on the 29er version versus half height on the 26" version. Slays as a high volume XC front tire as it rolls so much better than the HR2 or DHF. It's a great front tire for 10 months out of the year in the southeast but the DHF and HR2 are better if you tend to ride more in the backcountry where the trails might be a little more overgrown.

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    Very true, not to mention the much larger contact patch you have with a 29'r version of the Ardent which overcomes a lot of it's shortcomings as a 26'r. I'd certainly run them on a 29'r no question!

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    This clears things up. I run the 2.4 Ardent on a 29er and was VERY confused about the opposition to it until now. I love it!

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    That's why I don't like to see tire threads here in the "all mountain forum". They should be in the "wheels and TIRES forum" where the tire size is typically stated. DH tires are a different breed altogether (same may be said about 29'r tires) and I can see good reason to post those in their respective forums but I see no good reason to post about tires here in the AM forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman086 View Post
    That's why I don't like to see tire threads here in the "all mountain forum". They should be in the "wheels and TIRES forum" where the tire size is typically stated. DH tires are a different breed altogether (same may be said about 29'r tires) and I can see good reason to post those in their respective forums but I see no good reason to post about tires here in the AM forum.

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    It's in the all mountain thread because these tires are typically on AM bikes, seeing that mostly everyone in this thread rides all mountain, I'm more likely to get responses from people who have experience with these tires. Plus the "All mountain forum" is the only one I check on a regular basis and I'm sure I'm not alone...
    And by the way I ride a 26

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    You'd be surprised, these tires have all been covered before in the Wheels and Tires forum if you would have simply done a search. What is all mountain anyway??? It encompasses probably the largest sector of mtn biking these days and the tires aren't that specific - they're mainstream! Don't be afraid of the other forums; you WILL get better/more advice in the wheels and tires forum (the moderator and most that lurk there have TONS of AM experience, I can assure you)! Same goes for the forks and shocks section. Sorry but this is a pet peeve of mine; most would be shocked to learn of the level of knowledge to be had even for DH and 29'rs in the Wheels and Tires section!

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    For what its worth Im running 29er Ardent 2.4 front and rear on my Trans AM here in Phoenix AZ. I feel they have good grip both front and rear but Im also running the front at 22psi and the rear at 24 psi both on Flow EX's. Im 195lbs.
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    I know this is a thread revival of sorts but what is the search feature for....

    For anyone who is thinking about running 2.4 ardent out back and 2.4 HR2 in front... it ends up being kinda wonky since the ardent 2.4 in the back is a lot wider than the HR2 up front... I personally can't stand when my rear tire is wider than my front..

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    On a slightly different note...which is the tallest of these 26" tires: HR2 or Minion or Conti Trail King 2.4?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon123 View Post
    On a slightly different note...which is the tallest of these 26" tires: HR2 or Minion or Conti Trail King 2.4?
    Conti 2.4 Trailking by a good bit, I have 2 of them mounted on different rims and both are well over 27" tall closer to 27.25" Its wider than both my 2.4 HR2 and my 2.5 Minion Exo. The Trailking literally dwarf's every 26inch tire I have put it next to height wise and the only tire I own that's wider is a Minion 2.7 and thats only by a hair.
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    94krawler: Thanks. Guess I'll be sticking with my TK 2.4
    I've compared them to Ardent 2.4 and Hans Dampf 2.35 and they're taller than both. Especially the Hans Dampf. That's a wider tire but quite a bit shorter in height than the TK 2.4

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