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    Anyone on an IBEX Atlas? Pros and Cons compared to a Prophet or Heckler

    I had posted on the IBEX forum and realized that they may be a bit biased. Just looking for feedback on the Atlas bikes (specifically the Atlas Sport) Thank you,

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    Quote Originally Posted by nepanite
    I had posted on the IBEX forum and realized that they may be a bit biased. Just looking for feedback on the Atlas bikes (specifically the Atlas Sport) Thank you,
    I have the Atlas & a Versus Blitz II & will still recomend the Asta
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    um, I think the OP is looking for an unbiased opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwirider
    um, I think the OP is looking for an unbiased opinion
    How can you give an un-biased opinion of a bike if you own one. Besides, the title of the thred starts "Anyone on an IBEX Atlas". That clearly implies that he's speaking to (biased by nature) Atlas owners. The feedback the OP will get is going to come from Atlas owners (I'm one of them) or people in these forums who have heard us Ibex Zealots rave about the bike. Either way, he's going to get the same feedback, and it will be biased.

    Pros and cons are as follows:

    Cons: You can't test ride it.

    Pros: Bang for the buck.

    Let's face it, the Heckler is often considered the de facto standard in single pivot, AM bikes and it has a great reputation to back it up. Prophet has a reputation that speaks for itself too. The Atlas is a great bike and the reviews you see in the Ibex Forum, while biased, are pretty damned accurate form my personal experience with the bike (I own the Expert).

    If you really want an "un-biased" opinion, keep your eyes peeled for the upcoming review of the Atlas Sport in Dirt Rag.

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    I agree with the above post, mostly, but there are a few people (such as dogonfr) that are far too zealous and "spammish" about Ibex. If he's looking for "unbaised" opinions, I would not be seeking out mrpercussive, dogonfr, or jake to name a few Good guys, but ibex zealots who I'm sure do Ibex searches on these forums to make sure they dip their fingers into every post relating to Ibex. A bit too much. I got the same "baised" impression from the Ibex forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s62
    who I'm sure do Ibex searches on these forums to make sure they dip their fingers into every post relating to Ibex. A bit too much. I got the same "baised" impression from the Ibex forum.
    That would be like a job There are allot of great bikes out there & if you ask somone there oppinion they will say theirs is the best & they are correct.
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    lol, that's true enough... I know you guys love your bikes for sure I'm wondering about ppl who AREN'T so happy with Ibex. If they exist. Dunno.

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    I'm not insulting you Ibex guys, it's just that the OP stated that he felt like he got biased opinions on the Ibex forum, but then the first response he gets here is from a regular of the Ibex forum (complete with a link to the Ibex website in his sig...).

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    Quote Originally Posted by s62
    lol, that's true enough... I know you guys love your bikes for sure I'm wondering about ppl who AREN'T so happy with Ibex. If they exist. Dunno.
    There is always going to be the handfull of ones that had a bad experiance with something, nothing is perfect. There are products that i had bad experiance's with & just dont recomend them. I do sales & CS with Formotion & i feel we are great at standing behind our product's & helping our customers any way we can but we get bad emails & phone calls about 2 a month. But the bright side is we get over 100 happy responses for every 1 bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwirider
    I'm not insulting you Ibex guys, it's just that the OP stated that he felt like he got biased opinions on the Ibex forum, but then the first response he gets here is from a regular of the Ibex forum (complete with a link to the Ibex website in his sig...).
    All cool here no insult taken.

    I also have Formotion,Versus then Ibex in my sig. I noticed he had a post while i was here, nobody had responded so i was the first, not planed. I had also responded on the Ibex forum that is why the model recomended is not in his question here. There are many post that just keep slipping down without a response, someone needs to bring it back up to start the flow of input.
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    There are some folks who keep misinterpreting what I have wrote here and use it as arguments to steer the readers to one direction only or to beef up their egos (post-purchase syndrome) so I have decided to remove all what I have said here and no longer participate in any discussions where these people are likely to participate.
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    Cool-blue Rhythm Thanks, guess I should have proofed the message b4 posting...

    I meant to write if anyone had been on an Atlas? As in "had anyone rode one before being that it is a mail order only item?" But thanks for the understanding. The summary of pros and cons was good and previous posters were right that the IBEX forum is a little "too positive" but that may be a good thing. Maybe if I buy one, you'll see me doing a little bit of cheering myself. A better question would be regarding the Atlas's riding characterestics which would obviously have to come from owners or people who had the opportnity to ride it. I mean, the price seems really, really good I just wished I could get it in raw or polished or flat black for that matter!! Thanks for the help

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    There are some folks who keep misinterpreting what I have wrote here and use it as arguments to steer the readers to one direction only or to beef up their egos (post-purchase syndrome) so I have decided to remove all what I have said here and no longer participate in any discussions where these people are likely to participate.
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    I also ride a Versus Blitz II that weighs in at 39lbs & was my do all bike till i picked up the Atlas. The Blitz II is more capable of taking a impact & very easy to ride fast on the DH because of it's travel & designed build. Since riding the Atlas it is now my local trail bike, it's not as plush nor as fast descending the rough carp but there is no lack of confidence. The Atlas is also a great climber something im not but hay no one's perfect. As a AM/DH bike it has no problem holding it's own plus we cant forget besides a sweet bike the nut holding the handle bar is what really makes a bike shine. The Heckler is the original single pivot do all bike way before the term AM came around so it is the goal that all manufactures have to meet or coughcough beat. It aint easy to beat the master but technology has come a long way especially in the suspension area so the field has narrowed.
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    There are some folks who keep misinterpreting what I have wrote here and use it as arguments to steer the readers to one direction only or to beef up their egos (post-purchase syndrome) so I have decided to remove all what I have said here and no longer participate in any discussions where these people are likely to participate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozvena
    Yes, but I think the big advantage of this "old" Heckler/Atlas technology is seen once you start taking the frame apart for maintenance. I like the simplicity of the single pivot frames and I am sure it goes hand with hand with reliability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozvena
    .............

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    You get what you pay for...

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    About the Heckler: awesome bike, probably THE single pivot AM bike to measure all others on (at least on a parking lot). What do you pay for? Single pivot technology? Like my '96 Proflex?....awesome, I do love SP bikes...even bobbing ones with MCU rears. The only thing you're really paying extra for with the Heckler is it's "Pose-a-bility". Pretty feminine colors and curvy tubes that I tend to ding and scuff-up in my first two weeks of riding anyway.

    Bikes lasting forever? It's definetly possible....although I have a frame that won't take disc brakes or custom rear shock (air/coil/etc.). So technology can limit a frame's longevity.

    This was my bottom-line thought in my purchase decision:
    Rich Posing AM Biker - buy Heckler
    Thrifty AM Biker - buy Atlas (comes in men's colors only, btw)

    After my wife said, "Now that's a pretty bike"...nail in the coffin. I'll let her pick out my clothes for her functions I attend, but I draw the line with bikes.

    I've been beating on my Atlas Expert for three weeks now and I'm a happy camper. I'm not worried about chipping off a little of my man-color (as I didn't break the bank on this trail tank).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawseman
    After my wife said, "Now that's a pretty bike"...nail in the coffin. I'll let her pick out my clothes for her functions I attend, but I draw the line with bikes.
    Sounds kind of my wife... When I was choosing my current frame, her only comment was "that looks like it comes from Biltema" (A shop selling crap full suspension mountain bikes for about $99).

    Once I received it she was like "Hey, that actually looks really nice... Though it looks like a womans bike 'cause it has red and white."

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    How much front travel do you want? According to Ibex, the Atlas is built to run a 120mm to 140mm front fork. The new Heckler's geometry is built around a 140mm fork but is spec'd to handle up to 170mm. A late model Heckler takes up to 160mm. This tells me that the Heckler is a beefier bike (at least up front).

    For full disclosure, I have a Heckler ('05) and love it. But like every bike, there is no one bike that fits us all. My only concern with going Ibex would be that you can't sit on one, let around pedal it around. $1000 is a lot of money to drop on uncertainty.

    If you want an Atlas, find an Atlas owner that lives close enough for a day trip and would be willing to let you take it for a spin.

    If you decide a Heckler is in your future, be prepared to wait. Santa Cruz is often behind schedule and unable to meet customer demand. So the Ibex or Cannondale may be the way to go if you need it now.

    Lastly, the Sport is spec'd like a $1000 bike. Try to stretch for the Expert. If you're looking at the Pro, just go Heckler.
    Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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    There are some folks who keep misinterpreting what I have wrote here and use it as arguments to steer the readers to one direction only or to beef up their egos (post-purchase syndrome) so I have decided to remove all what I have said here and no longer participate in any discussions where these people are likely to participate.
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    There are some folks who keep misinterpreting what I have wrote here and use it as arguments to steer the readers to one direction only or to beef up their egos (post-purchase syndrome) so I have decided to remove all what I have said here and no longer participate in any discussions where these people are likely to participate.
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    Right under the words Add To Cart it says Geometry if you click on that you will find numbers.

    Was this your LBS that tryed to sell you a 19" bike
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    There are some folks who keep misinterpreting what I have wrote here and use it as arguments to steer the readers to one direction only or to beef up their egos (post-purchase syndrome) so I have decided to remove all what I have said here and no longer participate in any discussions where these people are likely to participate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozvena
    Thanks for the effort, now I see it too:

    Effective Top-Tube Length
    22" 23" 24"

    And this is pretty cool that they have listed it as "Effective"

    No, it was one of the 'new' 3-frame size internet company like thous that pop up like mushrooms after a rain. And I called them twice and spoke to all the two people I could get on the phone coz I had hard time believing it. Man am I glad I did not get this 3-frame size company frame?
    Experiances like that will sour ones taste for the rest, sorry you had a bad experiance but you were at least smart enough to know better. Others that may not no better are or could be on the wrong size bikes.

    Just so all know my Atlas is always ready for a test ride in real world conditions but im in NorCal so i didn't offer it up. No i dont work for them just like riding & getting more people involved.
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    I'm not saying that the Heckler is a bad bike...in fact, just the opposite. It's one bike that can can be configured from light XC to freeride. 6" travel is great for FR/DH, but a little much for all mountain (this forum), but I understand your point...the frame IS tough. It's a very popular bike....I just don't see/read any REAL benefit of more money for the Heckler frame, as compared to the Atlas.

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    um, 6" too much? Seems to be the standard for the Enduro, Nomad, Reign... kings of the AM hill.

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    While you be be getting the same suspension technology, there is a LOT more to consider when purchasing a bike. One is the build quality (quality of welds and stuff). Another is how the suspension is set up. Bikes can with the same basic suspension can feel a lot different depending on the pivot placement. You would also have to choose which geometry suits you better too.

    Personally, I think the Heckler is overpriced (sort of want one but can't afford) and I a bit uneasy about ordering a bike I have never ridden before. So unless you can test an Atlas first I would go with a Prophet.

    That's my $0.02 CAD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookie Monstrr
    That's my $0.02 CAD.
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    All excellent bikes, I agree, but we're talking single pivots here...

    I think you'll find that 5.5" is about the current limit of SP bikes with today's technologies.

    Maybe I meant to say 6+ inches. The 130mm rear travel of the IBEX is only .4" less than the Prophet and the Heckler (both single pivots, btw). Stick a 6"+ fork and you feel like your doing wheelies on flat ground....not ideal for climbing.

    The Enduro and Nomad are 6"+ travel, but not quite single pivot bikes. Any extra linkages will lower shock efficencies and transfer energies to the frame/pivots/faux/link.....physics. Nothing against these bikes, they ride excellently....I just prefer the simplicity and durability of the ole' single pivot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookie Monstrr
    .............

    So unless you can test an Atlas first I would go with a Prophet.

    That's my $0.02 CAD.
    Lefties scare the crap outta me....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawseman
    All excellent bikes, I agree, but we're talking single pivots here...

    I think you'll find that 5.5" is about the current limit of SP bikes with today's technologies.

    Maybe I meant to say 6+ inches. The 130mm rear travel of the IBEX is only .4" less than the Prophet and the Heckler (both single pivots, btw). Stick a 6"+ fork and you feel like your doing wheelies on flat ground....not ideal for climbing.

    The Enduro and Nomad are 6"+ travel, but not quite single pivot bikes. Any extra linkages will lower shock efficencies and transfer energies to the frame/pivots/faux/link.....physics. Nothing against these bikes, they ride excellently....I just prefer the simplicity and durability of the ole' single pivot.
    Cchek out Orange
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawseman
    Lefties scare the crap outta me....


    WORD! I have a real problem with all these companies that insist on using proprietary components. It's kinda like instead of doing one thing and doing one thing well, they have to do everything sacrificing quality inorder to lock customers into their product. Not saying that c-dale makes inferior products, by no means, but my draw to the heckler was the fact that YOU could truly customize it with a variety of shocks, forks, and various components to make the bike that YOU want not what some company thinks you want or what you should be riding. And as far as IBEX goes, I have a bad taste in my mouth from them. I bought a bike from them a couple years ago, and bent the rear triangle within 6 months. The frame is the cornerstone of a good bike and in my experience, Ibex couldn't deliver that.

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    There are some folks who keep misinterpreting what I have wrote here and use it as arguments to steer the readers to one direction only or to beef up their egos (post-purchase syndrome) so I have decided to remove all what I have said here and no longer participate in any discussions where these people are likely to participate.
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    FWIW Prophets have been available with 'traditional' forks for awhile. Also, have never seen a complaint about a Prophet bent frame. Not saying it/they don't exist, just havn't seen one.

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    No, Cannondale isn't sacrificing quality with the lefties. The lefties are an excellent design and work amazingly well, but yes, I hear you guys about proprietary components and hardwear. I'm not a fan either. The lefties are great, but I'm not ready to be sold to ONE and ONE ONLY brand of shock, etc.

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    To the OP, I was in the same position that you are a couple of months ago and was considering the same 3 bikes. I went with the Heckler, because
    1. I found it on closeout due to the new models
    2. The most important, it was the one I was in love with

    So, forget all this nonsense that this thread has turned into about which bike is better, single pivots sucks, lefties suck and crap. Go test ride the Prophet and the Heckler if possible. If it is not love at first site, then call of IBEX and have a talk with them about the Atlas. I think if you look at the Atlas's numbers it is very similar to the Heckler. Another Advantage to the Prophet is most do like the Leftie Fork (very stiff) and it the geometry can be adjust because it has two rear shock mounting holes. Just my opinion.

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    OH I knew I was gonna stir the pot with that post! I'm certainly not saying that c-dale makes bad bikes. As for proprietary components, Specialized as jumped into that stuff with things like the special DHX that they put on the enduro, and they have that new fsr with a special rear shock and dual crown fork made by fox. I don't know, I just don't like being told what 'best' for my bike. How do they know what kind of hills I climb or what kind surface I ride on?
    I like working on my bike and making exactly how I want it. Thats all, no offense....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrumbullCT

    Lastly, the Sport is spec'd like a $1000 bike. Try to stretch for the Expert. If you're looking at the Pro, just go Heckler.
    Please find me another bike for under a grand that comes with these components that is not last years model.

    I just purchased the Atlas. I was looking to spend 2-3 grand on a new Cannondale or Gary Fisher Hifi Pro (I just rode one on Sunday). I won't notice the difference between a 3k and a 1k bike for some time, and when that time comes I will splurge on what I want. I may hate riding and never touch my bike after my first time out. Who cares, I only spent a grand.
    I'm a weekend warrior who hasn't been on a bike since my bmx/street days on a 20". At the end of the day your bike means crap. I have a snowboarding background and I see way more people dropping stuff on old crappy equipment than I see the rich kids who cruise the greens on their $2000 Burton set up. Bang for the buck goes to IBEX. So far all I have read about them has been 95% good.

    btw..i could pulls 3's, no footers etc on a $270 GT Outpost trail (probably a 1995) off of 5-7' bmx jumps. That sub $300 bike took all I dished at it until after a year I dropped 5' onto pavement and landed wrong and the fork bent a little. I'm guessing the Atlas can handle this as well

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    Well if you decide on a prophet you could always get the Prophet 6 or 3z, both of which come with conventional forks. Even if you do decide to0 get a model with a Lefty you can always change it I'm sure. Might require a new front hub, stem, and reducer cups depending on the fork but still...

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    There are some folks who keep misinterpreting what I have wrote here and use it as arguments to steer the readers to one direction only or to beef up their egos (post-purchase syndrome) so I have decided to remove all what I have said here and no longer participate in any discussions where these people are likely to participate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbdub
    Please find me another bike for under a grand that comes with these components that is not last years model.
    That's not the point. The OP is not comparing $1000 bikes.

    Quote Originally Posted by ozvena
    kbdub...the assumption is that OP is not a weekend warrior. If he is then we are all wasting our time here. )))
    Exactly, and thank you.
    Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrumbullCT
    That's not the point. The OP is not comparing $1000 bikes.

    My point was that you are getting $1700 worth of bike from another manufacturer for $1000 from IBEX due to overseas assembly. I have to spend $800 more from a name brand company to get the same components. If the OP is more than a weekend warrior then why is he considering an Atlas Sport? A prophet with the same set up is 1650. For that price you can almost get an Atlas with XTR. Yes a Heckler is a better bike and I think there is no comparison between a frame that is more than a complete bike. That said, is he going to notice the difference between an Atlas and a Heckler? Does his riding warrant a bike that good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kbdub
    My point was that you are getting $1700 worth of bike from another manufacturer for $1000 from IBEX due to overseas assembly. I have to spend $800 more from a name brand company to get the same components. If the OP is more than a weekend warrior then why is he considering an Atlas Sport? A prophet with the same set up is 1650. For that price you can almost get an Atlas with XTR. Yes a Heckler is a better bike and I think there is no comparison between a frame that is more than a complete bike. That said, is he going to notice the difference between an Atlas and a Heckler? Does his riding warrant a bike that good?
    Those ARE the questions the OP must ask himself.

    There is no wrong or right answer to be had here.....please, everyone, get back on your bikes and RIDE...

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    ... and if we just ... re:overseas assembly (and Heckler)

    I have been following the thread but not posting anything since the thread went off in different (but still helpful) directions. If I'm not mistaken, I always thought that Cannondale was one of (if not the only) remaining large mfr. that still made bikes in the USA. Also, note that I live in PA and would rather support local businesses when feasible...I thought that Santa Cruz had been having their frames made overseas like the other major players??? (and yes, I am aware of the irony in buying an IBEX since it would be anything but local)

    Really, I was hoping to just get either good/bad feedback regarding the IBEX. I would assume they are able to offer the "lower" prices due to the simple fact that they sell online only. The Prophet and Heckler seem to both get positive reviews but I had planned to get the Prophet 6 (the "low end" Prophet) so I thought the "street price" would be at least $100 less than the MSRP shown on their website which puts it in the range of the IBEX Atlas Sport. The Heckler is probably out of my price range but if I got to test ride one and totally fell in love with it I could make an exception... .although I am open to buying used if I could see the bike in person ( I keep an eye out on the MTBR classifieds and craigslist, Ebay was taking up too much time).

    One poster hit the nail on the head with the comments about the price disparity betwen the Heckler, Prophet and Atlas and the whole issue of whether the differences were really worth the $$$. Thanks for everyone's input, decisions,decisions, decisions.....
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    If you are looking at the prophet 6 then my 02 would be get the Atlas Sport for the sake of having better components. I was looking at the Prophet 5 and decided on the Atlas because it has better components and I can easily upgrade the frame later. Also, I don't want to be stuck with a Prophet fork/hub/stem if I ever feel like switching things up. I do not think you are going to notice the difference a Cannondale frame vs Atlas frame. You will get down the hill faster on the Cannondale because your wallet will be several hundred dollars lighter As far as not being able to ride one before you buy it-what do you get out of your parking lot ride? I rode the Hifi Pro and it felt like crap. I would have still bought it becuase I know it would be great once it was on the dirt.

    As far as the made in the USA support your LBS...At the end of the day it boils down to money. Cannondale is corporate America. When I call Cannondale I don't talk to the owner of the company. My IBEX was made and partially assembled in Taiwan, put in a box and shipped to GA. It will be on my doorstep tomorrow.

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    There are some folks who keep misinterpreting what I have wrote here and use it as arguments to steer the readers to one direction only or to beef up their egos (post-purchase syndrome) so I have decided to remove all what I have said here and no longer participate in any discussions where these people are likely to participate.
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    For gods sake, don't post ANY IBEX cons, not if you like this forum.
    Negative things about IBEX were said on the Political-Socio-Economic-Religion forum so they removed the search function so IBEX wouldn't hear about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozvena
    We all need to know your secret.
    Pull out debit card. Or realize I'm more serious than I though I was and drop buy a new complete setup.

    And as far as luxury cars go, my Z06 will kill a $200k+ supercar in a straight line and will keep up with them on a road course. No it doesn't have 12 cow hides in it and some of the fit and finish is not quite as good. The "you get what you pay for" is not always the case when it comes down to strictly performance.

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    There are some folks who keep misinterpreting what I have wrote here and use it as arguments to steer the readers to one direction only or to beef up their egos (post-purchase syndrome) so I have decided to remove all what I have said here and no longer participate in any discussions where these people are likely to participate.
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    [QUOTE=Locoman]For gods sake, don't post ANY IBEX cons, not if you like this forum.
    Negative things about IBEX were said on the Political-Socio-Economic-Religion forum so they removed the search function so IBEX wouldn't hear about it.QUOTE]

    Forums are for opinions. Feel free to post yours.

    6061 in Taiwan or in the USA is manufactured to the same spec. Maybe yours came from ALCOA in the US and mine came from KUHMZ or another one of their companies in Russia. They may build their bikes in the US, but that doesn't mean the material for them is from the US or was even cut and bent to shape in the US. Do American bike manufactures perform NDE on every TIG weld they do to ensure that the heat affect zone did not degrade the mechanical properties of the weld and that the weld is solid? Bikes in the US are built to a spec just like bikes are built all around the world. Kmart bikes are built to a low spec, they don't need to survive very much. What that spec may be is completely up to the bike company. After talking to IBEX I was confident that their specs had their foreign manufacture overbuild them. If you feel like supporting US companies then do so. But IBEX is a US company and they ship their product with a US company.

    OP-Both the bikes that you are also considering are great(better) bikes, but can you justify spending the extra $. It sounds like you are in a similar postition that I was in. I took the less expensive route because I'm trying to be more practical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeyfist23
    WORD! I have a real problem with all these companies that insist on using proprietary components. It's kinda like instead of doing one thing and doing one thing well, they have to do everything sacrificing quality inorder to lock customers into their product. Not saying that c-dale makes inferior products, by no means, but my draw to the heckler was the fact that YOU could truly customize it with a variety of shocks, forks, and various components to make the bike that YOU want not what some company thinks you want or what you should be riding. And as far as IBEX goes, I have a bad taste in my mouth from them. I bought a bike from them a couple years ago, and bent the rear triangle within 6 months. The frame is the cornerstone of a good bike and in my experience, Ibex couldn't deliver that.
    How did your frame get bent? Ride too hard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeyfist23
    WORD! I have a real problem with all these companies that insist on using proprietary components. It's kinda like instead of doing one thing and doing one thing well, they have to do everything sacrificing quality inorder to lock customers into their product. Not saying that c-dale makes inferior products, by no means, but my draw to the heckler was the fact that YOU could truly customize it with a variety of shocks, forks, and various components to make the bike that YOU want not what some company thinks you want or what you should be riding. And as far as IBEX goes, I have a bad taste in my mouth from them. I bought a bike from them a couple years ago, and bent the rear triangle within 6 months. The frame is the cornerstone of a good bike and in my experience, Ibex couldn't deliver that.
    I've said it once, and I'll say it again. I wouldn't be caught dead on an IBEX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeyfist23
    WORD! I have a real problem with all these companies that insist on using proprietary components. It's kinda like instead of doing one thing and doing one thing well, they have to do everything sacrificing quality inorder to lock customers into their product. Not saying that c-dale makes inferior products, by no means, but my draw to the heckler was the fact that YOU could truly customize it with a variety of shocks, forks, and various components to make the bike that YOU want not what some company thinks you want or what you should be riding. And as far as IBEX goes, I have a bad taste in my mouth from them. I bought a bike from them a couple years ago, and bent the rear triangle within 6 months. The frame is the cornerstone of a good bike and in my experience, Ibex couldn't deliver that.
    I think that even with that they do make a good parts kit. I mean, get the bike strip it off, e-bay the frame and you still end up ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TVC15
    I've said it once, and I'll say it again. I wouldn't be caught dead on an IBEX.
    I can understand where you are coming from. If we were talking about snowboards or cars then I would be the same way, you'd never catch me on a "cheap" board or slow car. I splurge on things Im good at, biking isn't one of them currently. You are probably at a much higher level than both the OP and I are currently at. If I stick with biking then I can justify $5000 on a bike.

    man we are way the hell off topic

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    Quote Originally Posted by TVC15
    I've said it once, and I'll say it again. I wouldn't be caught dead on an IBEX.
    You obviously have never riden one in the real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbdub
    I can understand where you are coming from. If we were talking about snowboards or cars then I would be the same way, you'd never catch me on a "cheap" board or slow car. I splurge on things Im good at, biking isn't one of them currently. You are probably at a much higher level than both the OP and I are currently at. If I stick with biking then I can justify $5000 on a bike.

    man we are way the hell off topic
    Beyond the obvious - that is Ibex being (relatively) cheap, low end bikes, that aren't sold in bike shops, can't be test-ridden or fit before purchase - I think TVC has other motivs at play here.

    Just a guess.

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    There are some folks who keep misinterpreting what I have wrote here and use it as arguments to steer the readers to one direction only or to beef up their egos (post-purchase syndrome) so I have decided to remove all what I have said here and no longer participate in any discussions where these people are likely to participate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozvena
    TVC like Thermal Vacuum Chamber or Trapped Vortex Combustor?

    Anyway, what's for dinner tonight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozvena
    TVC like Thermal Vacuum Chamber or Trapped Vortex Combustor?

    Anyway, what's for dinner tonight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozvena
    TVC like Thermal Vacuum Chamber or Trapped Vortex Combustor?

    Anyway, what's for dinner tonight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by imridingmybike
    I think TVC has other motivs at play here.

    Just a guess.
    You're right.

    I like to respect people from whom I purchase.

    Supporting your LBS is good karma.

    I hear repeatedly that IBEX frames are a little, um, on the fragile side.

    And last but not least, Yetis are much, much cooler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozvena
    TVC like Thermal Vacuum Chamber or Trapped Vortex Combustor?

    Anyway, what's for dinner tonight?

    What, you haven't heard one of the coolest Davd Bowie songs ever? You really should.

    And i'm with her on her comments on the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrozenK
    I think that even with that they do make a good parts kit. I mean, get the bike strip it off, e-bay the frame and you still end up ahead.
    Yeah, I have definitely thought of that.

    IRMB, heh

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    Quote Originally Posted by TVC15
    You're right.

    I like to respect people from whom I purchase.

    Supporting your LBS is good karma.

    I hear repeatedly that IBEX frames are a little, um, on the fragile side.

    And last but not least, Yetis are much, much cooler.
    What is your daily job

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    Cool does not mean you know what you are doing
    You're right ... but putting out frames that last more than six months before splitting in two on the trail suggests that the guys at Yeti do.

    Hey, it's all personal preference. And reputation. And in the end, hopefully, we're each entitled to have and express our opinions.

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    "OP-Both the bikes that you are also considering are great(better) bikes, but can you justify spending the extra $. It sounds like you are in a similar postition that I was in. I took the less expensive route because I'm trying to be more practical."

    This says it all. I am in the position where I could buy a more expensive bike but I do not have the skill level to justify it. I really haven't heard any substantial negatives about the IBEX Atlas (other than a frame breaking of which the details were never revealed - not even the frame model) but surprisingly I haven't heard anyone go on about the Heckler or Prophet being incredibly better bikes either. The other bikes seem to be viewed as better but for a price. I kinda hope that these full suspension bikes are like laptop computers where you can get a basic one for $500 if you wait patiently that will do 90% of what they $2k laptops will do but any true computer geek wouldn't be caught dead with the $500 laptop. Just some thoughts. Meanwhile, I really need to see this Dirt Rag article that someone mentioned. I checked the website but there's no mention of it there so I am assuming it is on newsstands now. Thanks for the info.

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    There are some folks who keep misinterpreting what I have wrote here and use it as arguments to steer the readers to one direction only or to beef up their egos (post-purchase syndrome) so I have decided to remove all what I have said here and no longer participate in any discussions where these people are likely to participate.
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    ...but which "magic"

    The part I don't get though is when you refer to "magic" I cannot tell if you mean there is nothing magical about the IBEX Atlas or do you mean that there is nothing "magical" about the Heckler or Prophet. I think I know what you are implying but the magic comment throws me off (probably because I am a huge fan of hypnosis shows, mentalists and clairvoyance demonstrations - none of which are magic but which are sometimes referred to in that manner). I mean to a certain point I think one does get what they pay for but then I believe there is a rapidly diminishing point of return and also some products do sell on their name and advertising budget. But do you like the Ibex Atlas, not like it, or just indifferent to it as just another choice in a bloated marketplace???
    p.s - I think I get it but...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozvena
    like $30 and $70 shoe.
    OK, I'm here to tell you that there is an exponential difference between a $30 shoe and a $70 shoe.

    I think maybe it's only one you'd discern in heels, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TVC15
    You're right ... but putting out frames that last more than six months before splitting in two on the trail suggests that the guys at Yeti do.
    Tires blow out, dams fracture, trees fall, motors break down, there is no perfect manufacture of anything & when your in the mass production market it increases the chance of a potential problem. Yeti has had its share also.

    Quote Originally Posted by TVC15
    Hey, it's all personal preference. And reputation. And in the end, hopefully, we're each entitled to have and express our opinions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nepanite
    I really haven't heard any substantial negatives about the IBEX Atlas (other than a frame breaking of which the details were never revealed - not even the frame model) but surprisingly
    I missed that one, which Ibex has a broken frame
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    Difference between a 15000 and 30000 toyota is the extra engineering time to adjust dynamics, cabin interior noise etc. Same steel is stamped for the body panels, same cheap plastic is injection molded for center console. You might get some fancier trim molding or interior. My dads an engineer for honda, I like to think through our regular discussions on these topics that I know what goes into vehicle design. I'm a design engineer for an aerospace company. We outsource components to OUR specs (not a foreign cheap spec) and get quality parts made overseas.

    I can't help it if you cannot understand why IBEX is priced the way they are and that they took out the middle man. Their frames are manufacture to their specs. They design them and have them build especially for them. It is going to be built the same as if it were welded in the US. The difference is the labor rate which in turn determines the final price. The components on my bike are the same found on a bike costing 2x (SRAM is made wherever it is for every bike, they don't make it in the US for Yeti and overseas for IBEx, same goes for suspension components), but they were assembled by a foreigner who if they screw up they get fired because there ar 1000 people who would just love to have work. In the US we have unions which protect people and take away any responsibility they should have. If they screw up, there is nothing you can do because they are protected by their union.

    Your bike shop marks the bike up 40-50% so if you cut them out of the equation your $3000 heckler now cost $1500. What if it was welded by an idiot who was new? Not all of their welders are of the same talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    Tires blow out, dams fracture, trees fall, motors break down, there is no perfect manufacture of anything & when your in the mass production market it increases the chance of a potential problem. Yeti has had its share also.



    Agree it's all about getting out & riding.
    You have to consider the companies ability to support the consumer, too.

    If the company is new or teetering, are they going to be there when you need them?

    Especially important with full suspension bikes where shock bushings, suspension bearings, bolt and sundry pivot peices wear. I noticed this was a problem for some of the IBiEX's recently.

    Two years from now - will you still be able to get parts?

    What if the frame is no longer made two years from now? What if the company is not around?

    I'm not basking any particular brand here - notice in the "worst bikes" thread, I said my Intense Tracer was the worst bike I ever owned...

    I try to buy bikes that

    A) are not going to have problems to beging with (I own two Foes for this reason - 3 of my friends got FXR's and one got both a Fly and FXR - before I did - and beat the crap outta them, without any problems)

    and B) the company has parts in stock and a plan to help you out - even if you break an older model. I know when/if I damage or break my Ventana that it is the same rear end used on the majority of their bikes - with interchangable linkages and front sections!

    Not to mention, both of the above mentioned companies, you can work directly with the people responsible for welding/painting/machining the bike. The buck stops with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imridingmybike
    You have to consider the companies ability to support the consumer, too.

    If the company is new or teetering, are they going to be there when you need them?

    Especially important with full suspension bikes where shock bushings, suspension bearings, bolt and sundry pivot peices wear. I noticed this was a problem for some of the IBiEX's recently.

    Two years from now - will you still be able to get parts?

    What if the frame is no longer made two years from now? What if the company is not around?

    I'm not basking any particular brand here - notice in the "worst bikes" thread, I said my Intense Tracer was the worst bike I ever owned...

    I try to buy bikes that

    A) are not going to have problems to beging with (I own two Foes for this reason - 3 of my friends got FXR's and one got both a Fly and FXR - before I did - and beat the crap outta them, without any problems)

    and B) the company has parts in stock and a plan to help you out - even if you break an older model. I know when/if I damage or break my Ventana that it is the same rear end used on the majority of their bikes - with interchangable linkages and front sections!

    Not to mention, both of the above mentioned companies, you can work directly with the people responsible for welding/painting/machining the bike. The buck stops with them.
    All excellent points!

    And what about pride in ownership? There's something to be said about that too. Riding is art, an indulgence, in many ways, a gift we give to ourselves. Having what you really want can make a world of difference ...

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    Most manufactures dont sell the exact same bike for life so the life time warranty only covers that frame while it is in production. If you crack or break the frame they will offer a upgrade for a cost, usually a smoking good deal.

    Bearings are generic and can be purchased almost any where. If you buy direct from the bike manufacture you pay a premium.

    Most manufactures only stock replacement parts for a estimated failure rate, they are not going to keep 5 year old stock of chain stays on the shelf for a obsolete model.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    Most manufactures dont sell the exact same bike for life so the life time warranty only covers that frame while it is in production. If you crack or break the frame they will offer a upgrade for a cost,
    Also known as the "ellsworth" way of doing business. Pay to fix your supposedly lifetime warrentied bike...
    "It's only when you stand over it, you know, when you physically stand over the bike, that then you say 'hey, I don't have much stand over height', you know"-T. Ellsworth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    Also known as the "ellsworth" way of doing business. Pay to fix your supposedly lifetime warrentied bike...
    That's not the way we do it here at IBEX. If a frame requires replacing under warranty, we replace it at no cost with the closest model that we have on-hand. We do keep a certain amount of stock around of older models. So, in the case of out of production models replacing with the closest avaialble could still mean the same frame if we have one on-hand, but it also could mean a newer iteration of the same model series, or a different newer model (but one close to the same type).

    I will also mention that we recently had a situation where an older Apogee frame needed replacing (discontinued model). Though we still have a few NIB 2006 Apogee frames on-hand, we did not have the right size. So, we replaced it with a new 2007 Asta frame. The problem there was that that Apogee used a 6.5" rear shock and the '07 Asta takes a 7.5" shock. The frame warranty does not cover this, but we offered this customer a new shock at cost (maybe a little below cost)... and he jumped at it.

    Had he not wanted to incur the expense of the shock, we could have either supplied another Apogee frame in a different size or an Ignition frame in his size, both of which would accept his original shock.

    All three options were offered and discussed with the client. We wanted it to be his choice. If he wanted his bike up and riding with no additional expense, the latest Ignition design is awfully close to the older Apogee. However, trickle-down technology now allows us to put out less expensive bikes on that very similar frame design and I can understand if he would feel that he was getting a step down going that route. For a no cost replacement in the same frame we could only do the actual Apogee replacement in a different size (more precisely, a 2006 Apogee replacing a 2003 Apogee... the '06 being not only newer but better). That might have been fine if he were ready to sell the bike or pass it on to a wife, girlfriend or whomever requiring a different size. Technically, our frame warranty mentions that we cannot guarantee replacement in the same size and here's a situation where that was true... at least as regards the same model. However, we're really not interested in enforcing this when other options can be arrived at.

    In the end, this particular customer opted for a new '07 Asta frame at no cost and a $150 deal on a $400 shock. He was very happy to be able to upgrade and update for relatively little money. I was happy that he was happy. Contrary to what some of the bashers around here want you to think, our goal is to make our customers happy, not to screw them.

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    Ok, I can't believe the amount of bias in this thread, but mostly from non-Ibex owners since they are speaking not from true experience.

    Let me make some points:

    1) Ibex is pretty old..but they are always improving, they have been around since 2002. Take a look at their archives.
    http://www.ibexbikes.com/Archive_index.html
    Looking at some of the older models, I can see how some of you had bad experiences in the past. Look at that 2004 Ignition 2 frame design, not that amazing huh?
    The 2007 models this year are a HUGE step in quality from 3-4 years ago.
    Back then, Ibex was a fledgling company with less $$$ to spend.

    2) Overseas (Taiwan) Manufacturing
    Taiwanese welders are damned good, and any kind of arguement for "oh its made overseas, it must be crap" is utterly false.

    3) Costs are cut through paint designs, online only, and no middleman.
    This is how they sell their bikes cheap. Look at the QC for frames, welds, material used. They don't cut corners with quality, but cut corners with "brand name" and fancy "grunge" paintjobs.
    Components are the same no matter where they come from, this is obvious and looking at the specs, easily beat LBS anywhere.

    4) You get what you pay for
    Yes, you get what you pay for with Ibex, thats true.
    You don't have cool graphics, instant resale value, boohoo..

    5) Resale value
    Most of you say you want to use these bikes for over a decade.. by then, most bikes aren't worth **** anyways.

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    When you buy a $70 shoe on-sale for $30, does it feel like a $30 shoe or a $70 shoe?
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    There are some folks who keep misinterpreting what I have wrote here and use it as arguments to steer the readers to one direction only or to beef up their egos (post-purchase syndrome) so I have decided to remove all what I have said here and no longer participate in any discussions where these people are likely to participate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozvena
    It depends, is it a $30 shoe being sold for $70 initially?
    I can tell when the ones with the big-name-brand labels are just a $30 shoe that they try to sell for $70, and I can tell when the $70 shoe only costs $30 because it doesn't carry the price penalty of the big-name-brand.
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    There are some folks who keep misinterpreting what I have wrote here and use it as arguments to steer the readers to one direction only or to beef up their egos (post-purchase syndrome) so I have decided to remove all what I have said here and no longer participate in any discussions where these people are likely to participate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozvena
    Yep....that is what has been mentioned here about big-name-brand bike manufacturers. No doubt about that. There is definitely that hype factor. What is your solution for that?

    I think time will prove that you are right but this phase can't be jumped over, can it?
    For IBEX the answer is to make the $70 shoe as a $70 shoe should be made yet still sell it for $30, figuratively speaking, and trust that the shrewd buyers will recognize the value. So far, I'd say that's been spot-on. As the word gets around, some of the folks who might not be able to make that determination themselves read reviews and hear tales from those who've already made the leap. Certainly they are confronted with nay-sayers who down our bikes simply because there is no big-name-brand on the downtube, or because they do not understand the business model that allows us to sell for less. Nevertheless, those who try IBEX usually become true believers once they see the quality and experience the ride for themselves.
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    There are some folks who keep misinterpreting what I have wrote here and use it as arguments to steer the readers to one direction only or to beef up their egos (post-purchase syndrome) so I have decided to remove all what I have said here and no longer participate in any discussions where these people are likely to participate.
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    Exactly. I like what IBEX is trying to do, but until I can see the bikes in person and have a bike mechanic look at it and say "Yep, that's well done and worth every penny" I'm not convinced. I almost decided to buy an Ibex Atlas Sport a week or two ago. I was torn between used Enduros, IBEX, and a few other ebay offering. I had been deliberating very hard for several weeks.
    Then I found a great JensonUSA deal on a Jamis Dakar 2.0 '05 bike that was new, being sold as closeout. I snapped it up. I would say keep shopping and searching and you'll find something you like and are comfortable with. It'll take time. I'm not convinced by IBEX, although not for lack of trying on their part. Perhaps you'd like the Jamis bikes as well. 1500 for the Dakar XLT 2.0 is a sweet deal. Dunno, it worked for me.
    I say good on IBEX for making cheap quality bikes (if indeed they are), and good on the consumer for questioning the legitimacy of all products on the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s62
    until I can see the bikes in person and have a bike mechanic look at it and say "Yep, that's well done and worth every penny" I'm not convinced.
    Like Jack said, the people who are most likely to buy IBEX are shrewd buyers.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    For IBEX the answer is to... trust that the shrewd buyers will recognize the value. So far, I'd say that's been spot-on. As the word gets around, some of the folks who might not be able to make that determination themselves read reviews and hear tales from those who've already made the leap.
    And if they aren't, they got word of mouth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibexbikes
    That's not the way we do it here at IBEX.
    Too bad the same can't be said about taking retaliatory action against MTBR members.

    Quote Originally Posted by ibexbikes
    our goal is to make our customers happy, not to screw them.
    But you have no problem with intimidating MTBR into screwing a specific subsection of its members?

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    I'm sorry, but reading a website is hardly "shrewd" buying. Shrewd buying would include first hand experience with the bike, riding it around, examining the build of the frame, including butting, etc., having a mechanic or two give it a look over, etc., etc. Trusting that a website is giving you the low down in hardly shrewd. In this case, word of mouth is the best we've got, and I'm not about to drop 1000+ based on a few overzealous people in a forum. I think the OP had the same points in mind.

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    I live out in Nor Cal near Marin & have always offered my Ibex bike to people to ride. I have allot of money in my Versus Blitz II & it is a sweet 6.75 inch travel bike that loves to be ridden every where from AM-DH. I picked up a Asta last year as a fun under 4 inch travel frame & we rode that bike hard & even did some ladder drops, no failure. Picked up a Atlas this year, well the season is young still but for more than 1/2 the price of the Blitz II the Atlas can hit All the same trails, jumps & DH sections, not as smooth or fast but it rips quite well. In case you are not paying attention the less expensive Ibex bikes are riding the same trails as the expensive Versus & i can compare the difference. Me & my bikes ride places like N*, Downieville, Marin, Reno & take a good beating. If any one here is ever in the area & would like to ride i have a bike for you to ride & we can even swap between the Ibex & Versus for a true comparison, then you can go back home ride your bike. Dont bash what you dont know, there are allot of great bikes out there & i own them. By the way my bikes are - Versus, Ibex, Norco, Haro & im ashamed to say Motiv. Encourage riders to buy bikes & ride not read a bunch of BSBashing carp, there are allot of companies that want a piece of pie & there is plenty to go around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s62
    I'm sorry, but reading a website is hardly "shrewd" buying. Shrewd buying would include first hand experience with the bike, riding it around, examining the build of the frame, including butting, etc., having a mechanic or two give it a look over, etc., etc. Trusting that a website is giving you the low down in hardly shrewd. In this case, word of mouth is the best we've got, and I'm not about to drop 1000+ based on a few overzealous people in a forum. I think the OP had the same points in mind.
    What about your '05 Jamis that you've bought? What made you purchase that bike online instead of an IBEX? Did you base your purchase on a little more "overzealous" Jamis posters?

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    Or perhaps because I rode a Jamis locally and enjoyed it? Jamis, unlike Ibex, is offered locally and in bike shops. While I did consult the Jamis riders here, I also consulted EVERYONE in the general/am forums, and got a little more rounded feedback. Jamis as a company is better established as well. But what broke it was first hand experience of a Dakar. So, no.
    Any other useless questions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by s62
    Or perhaps because I rode a Jamis locally and enjoyed it? Jamis, unlike Ibex, is offered locally and in bike shops. While I did consult the Jamis riders here, I also consulted EVERYONE in the general/am forums, and got a little more rounded feedback. Jamis as a company is better established as well. But what broke it was first hand experience of a Dakar. So, no.
    Any other useless questions?
    Jamis makes sweet bikes & has awesome CS your being very defensive with your answer. As for the established we all need to grow up, you start as a egg & grow into a adult then die, life is sweet, enjoy it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    Jamis makes sweet bikes & has awesome CS your being very defensive with your answer. As for the established we all need to grow up, you start as a egg & grow into a adult then die, life is sweet, enjoy it.
    Are you paid by Jack to defend the brand or do you suffer neurosis? Which is it?

    Seriously - your kind of zealotry should be reserved soley for beer and chicks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imridingmybike
    Are you paid by Jack to defend the brand or do you suffer neurosis? Which is it?

    Seriously - your kind of zealotry should be reserved soley for beer and chicks.
    lolol, truth! Cue speech about how "no, I just love Ibex, have owned a couple, rode several different brands, and these just rock! Solid, cheap b/c they're direct, don't diss!"

    lol. I've heard it. Whoopie.

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    ok.. so you don't believe them? Is that the baseline?

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    Quote Originally Posted by imridingmybike
    Are you paid by Jack to defend the brand or do you suffer neurosis? Which is it?

    Seriously - your kind of zealotry should be reserved soley for beer and chicks.
    Im not a employee of Ibex or Jack. As for the Neurosis your more then welcome to join in on a ride then You can be the real judge.

    Beer is good guess you smoke instead, sorry gave that up for life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s62
    lolol, truth! Cue speech about how "no, I just love Ibex, have owned a couple, rode several different brands, and these just rock! Solid, cheap b/c they're direct, don't diss!"

    lol. I've heard it. Whoopie.
    Just come out & ride it's all to simple of a offer, Dang the women are right the Y-chrome are a bunch of sissies.
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