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    AM Hardtail?

    Looking for a very strong hardtail. I don't want to pay for a TI, but a company that has good geometry and builds tanks. I don't care about weight, my friend has a fuji that's like 30 lbs and its a beast. I have looked at the TransAM but are there any good frames that aren't steel?

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    Ragley Troof - updated version of the mmmBop, Al, slack front end, 1.5" head tube, takes a 160mm fork, has ISCG mounts and will supposedly take a 2.5" tire. Should be available in February sometime for around $500 for a frame.
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    ok ill check that out, thanks sir!

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    sinister ridge can run 100mm to a dual crown fork
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    sadly you will probably never find one though
    P.S. you can do anything on this bike.... i mean anything
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    Here's a list to get you started

    AM Hardtail Frame List
    No moss...

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    Yeah I was looking at the Chameleon as well it looks very nice. Thanks for the list as well!

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    Banshee Morphine is a bomber hardtail, PM me if you want info on a cheap 18" one.

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    I own a mid 2000 Chameleon. Its a great frame with great geometry. Its pretty beefy but yet light enough for 25lb bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by insanitylevel9
    sinister ridge can run 100mm to a dual crown fork
    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/pIg2zWU2MWATA4gjQdAJRg?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_v9HOOoDZvGk/TRJG_82XV7I/AAAAAAAAARU/FJsB7PBbST4/s800/P1010001.JPG" height="600" width="800" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/Ben19930/MyBikes?feat=embedwebsite">my bikes</a></td></tr></table>
    sadly you will probably never find one though
    P.S. you can do anything on this bike.... i mean anything
    isnt that steel though?

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    Anyone have pics of a built up Banshee Morphine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitewerks
    Anyone have pics of a built up Banshee Morphine?
    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Banshee+Morphine
    Quote Originally Posted by craftworks750
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    Quote Originally Posted by insanitylevel9
    sinister ridge can run 100mm to a dual crown fork
    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/pIg2zWU2MWATA4gjQdAJRg?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_v9HOOoDZvGk/TRJG_82XV7I/AAAAAAAAARU/FJsB7PBbST4/s800/P1010001.JPG" height="600" width="800" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/Ben19930/MyBikes?feat=embedwebsite">my bikes</a></td></tr></table>
    sadly you will probably never find one though
    P.S. you can do anything on this bike.... i mean anything
    This picture is getting whored out quite a bit in the AM forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek
    This picture is getting whored out quite a bit in the AM forum.
    lol yep
    i alway think about saying to just look in my sig but its more fun to post it.
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    It's a great looking rig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by b-kul
    isnt that steel though?
    nope, pure 6061 aircraft grade aluminum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek
    It's a great looking rig.
    thanks
    Quote Originally Posted by craftworks750
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    Quote Originally Posted by insanitylevel9
    nope, pure 6061 aircraft grade aluminum.
    huh. either way its sick.

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    I think I'll probably just go for the Chameleon, it's a fan favorite and it's Al

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    Quote Originally Posted by pfox90
    I think I'll probably just go for the Chameleon, it's a fan favorite and it's Al
    Are you buying new? The Chameleon retails for $599 and comes with a EBB (one of the things that swayed me away from it). The Ragley Troof retails for $470 and looks great for the price and its features.
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    Quote Originally Posted by b-kul
    huh. either way its sick.
    thanks man i really really love it.
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    Ragley is a good name, I'll have to check it out there isn't too much info that popped up when I googled it.

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    What about the mmmbop? It looks pretty nice for the price, granted it can only run up to 150 but preferred 140.

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    I also saw the Kona five 0 on huck n roll for 350, has anyone had any experiences with this frame? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek
    Are you buying new? The Chameleon retails for $599 and comes with a EBB (one of the things that swayed me away from it). The Ragley Troof retails for $470 and looks great for the price and its features.
    since there are no more mmmbops available.......the TROOF is what I'm waiting for, and the 1.5 head tube is a plus....you can fit almost any forks (up to 180, I'm planing in a 160mm) or can "slack" the head tube with one of those can creek "headsets".....(I dont think I would though)
    I'm just waiting to see a full built, and the colors (the "curry poo" doesn't really appeal to me)

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    Quote Originally Posted by lokomonkey
    since there are no more mmmbops available.......the TROOF is what I'm waiting for, and the 1.5 head tube is a plus....you can fit almost any forks (up to 180, I'm planing in a 160mm) or can "slack" the head tube with one of those can creek "headsets".....(I dont think I would though)
    I'm just waiting to see a full built, and the colors (the "curry poo" doesn't really appeal to me)
    Yeah I couldn't find any mmmbops after I posted. I wish there were more pics of the troof and all the colors.

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    Woodland Components D frame very burley versatile frame,ran mostly with five inch fork but also take a seven nicely.

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    pfox90, Brant is on this site often. it's nice to be able to discuss potential frames with the designer. if you have any questions about them, hop into the ragley 2011 post and ask away. Brant is a stand up guy.

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    I like my MC Rumble


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    Nice Rumble!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pfox90
    Yeah I couldn't find any mmmbops after I posted. I wish there were more pics of the troof and all the colors.
    The 2011 Troof info is online. The red looks good...
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    Yeah thats pretty cute. I just picked up the Ragley Blue Pig and going to build it up strong and hopefully cheap

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    Heres my newly built On-One Summer Season 456 with a Float 130 FIT fork, after its first ride


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    That turned out excellent, loving the color scheme and the wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yody
    Heres my newly built On-One Summer Season 456 with a Float 130 FIT fork, after its first ride

    Nice bike, quite similar to mine. How do you like the single front chainring?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jscusmcvet
    Nice bike, quite similar to mine. How do you like the single front chainring?

    John
    I see a front derailleur there.
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    My Plastic bike

    Here's mine - also an On-One only this one's a 456 Carbon.
    Changing the Fox 36's to a set of Pike's next month because the Fox's belong to my other bike. I've been riding an Intense 6.6 for years now and was keen but kinda nervous about riding a hardtail again after all these year but this bike has blown me away. Carbon is an amazing material for a hardtail - nothing like any hardtail i've ridden before. Takes the sting out of rough terrian while remaining really stiff - seems impossible. Geometry is perfect for me too - really slack HA (66.5) so it rips steep, fast and technical terrain (especially with an adjustable fork). Couldn't be happier and for the money..... a bargain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gravityfreaky
    Here's mine - also an On-One only this one's a 456 Carbon.
    Changing the Fox 36's to a set of Pike's next month because the Fox's belong to my other bike. I've been riding an Intense 6.6 for years now and was keen but kinda nervous about riding a hardtail again after all these year but this bike has blown me away. Carbon is an amazing material for a hardtail - nothing like any hardtail i've ridden before. Takes the sting out of rough terrian while remaining really stiff - seems impossible. Geometry is perfect for me too - really slack HA (66.5) so it rips steep, fast and technical terrain (especially with an adjustable fork). Couldn't be happier and for the money..... a bargain.
    Whats the price for the frame...

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    These can be bought very cheap and their tough as nails.
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    Nvm.
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    Why don't you want steel?

    My do-it-all hardtail: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...f/IMAG0168.jpg

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    I already ordered a steel ht frame I don't understand why this is being bumped? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by pfox90
    I already ordered a steel ht frame I don't understand why this is being bumped? lol
    Readers didn't catch that you already bought a frame and some are just talking to one another because there are questions and answers to be put into this thread.

    What frame did you order? I didn't catch it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blksocks
    Readers didn't catch that you already bought a frame and some are just talking to one another because there are questions and answers to be put into this thread.

    What frame did you order? I didn't catch it.
    Ragley Blue Pig. He only mentions it in every 2 out of 3 posts by him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek
    Ragley Blue Pig. He only mentions it in every 2 out of 3 posts by him.
    Meh!

    Everyone mentions it so I most likely figured it was suggested by everyone but him.
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    This is AM 130mm steel bike - My colege rides it, mys bike with 100m travel is not enough for this forum


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    Can I name it AM ?
    655mm rise bar, 2.25 UST tires, gears will be on spring....

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    You want a Nicolai Argon FR:

    http://nicolai.net/34-1-Argon+FR.html

    (German) geometry table: https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?...37&output=html

    Max fork height is 540mm that means 160mm of travel in most cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek
    Ragley Blue Pig. He only mentions it in every 2 out of 3 posts by him.
    Whatever when I post my baby up you will be admirin' and hatin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by si@progressivebikes
    Have a look at the Brodie Ti Holeshot, a lovely frame, slack and long.


    Brodie Ti Holeshot by srbwilson, on Flickr

    "hey, how about a bike i sell".

    seriously si, when are you gonna stop this 5h!t

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    Quote Originally Posted by si@progressivebikes
    Qbert, when are you gonna stop your ****? I sell stuff in the UK, most people here are not from the UK. People can see who I am, no ******** or hidden stuff. Stop stalking me.

    Hmmm. I see that you are a dealer of Brodie bikes. I agree with qbert, you shouldn't be using a consumer review forum to plug your line up.

    Actually, there's nothing in your signature to show you are a Brodie dealer, it only says you are a Chumba distributor. I've seen a few of your posts in the Chumba forum. this isn't the first time you've been called out on plugging your line up. How would the OP decipher that you are a Brodie dealer from your post?

    As far as UK followers here on MTBR, there are quite a few. It seems you are reacting caustically because you have been caught at something.

    Here's a post you made in a thread about the Brodie Holeshot

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    That one may actually be against forum rules as it's almost an ad which you didn't pay for. If there are so few UK members, why are you so quick to quote prices and availability here then? You hardly are an impartial poster.

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    Steel is strong, and if you manage to brake a hefty steel frame its easy to weld without the need for heat treating.

    Why not give the Evil Sovereign a look? Its kinda hard to miss on this forum... Loved mine and its bomb proof.

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    Maybe the OP should update the first post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve.E
    Maybe the OP should update the first post
    Why would I do that? That takes all the fun out of it????????? lol Just looking forward to getting my build completed, I had to sell my entry level bike to order some brakes so that was the hold up. Don't worry, in a month you'll be seeing my pic whored out in the AM section haha

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    Here's my Soul Cycles Icon. Got it the end of the Spring last year with odds and ends that Soul Cycles had - actually turned out to be a great build though. Unfortunately haven't been able to ride it all for months since I live in upstate NY.
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    That Soul Cycles Icon looks really good. Does it have all the trimmings? iscg, interchangable dropouts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matsnork
    That Soul Cycles Icon looks really good. Does it have all the trimmings? iscg, interchangable dropouts?

    sliding dropouts. I don't know if that answers your question or not. They don't sell the frame anymore, I bought mine when they were trying to sell the rest of the frames they had left.

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    Ragley mmmBop

    Aluminum Frame
    140mm Revelation U Turn

    Weight 29 lbs
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    Quote Originally Posted by hockeyplaya1616
    Aluminum Frame
    140mm Revelation U Turn

    Weight 29 lbs

    that's what I want! too bad they don't make it anymore....

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    Quote Originally Posted by lokomonkey
    that's what I want! too bad they don't make it anymore....
    Should have went for the shop-soiled 16" frame that I pm'd you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek
    Should have went for the shop-soiled 16" frame that I pm'd you.

    hahahaaha! I dont know, by the time I went into that page.....the frame was gone!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lokomonkey
    that's what I want! too bad they don't make it anymore....
    Dont worry,to be honest the ride felt a bit old school,mine was gone in a day...you can pick up a komodo form jensons for $120.00,its a bit over raked but looks better and rides better than the mmmbop

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMCAT
    ...you can pick up a komodo form jensons for $120.00,its a bit over raked but looks better and rides better than the mmmbop
    are you serious? the komodo rides better?....any way now, I'm waiting for the TROOF, I want a good pedaler, great descender, and capable of long travel...

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    Hi guys , I was wondering if the on-one 456 will have a slack geometry. I'm steppin down from a nomad to a AM ht and I'm looking around. The on-one ti now has a promo on their webbie with 10spd xt and revelation fork.

    The other bike im looking at will be at the dialled bike alpine. For the component of thr alpine, I'll be sourcing for yhe parts individually. Eg fork , drivetrain and all.

    But what's stopping me from getting either bike id the geometry. I really love a slack setup. If I can the same set up compared to my nomad, I'll pull yhe trigger. I use to ride a gt avalanche which is very racy and upright which I don't like. Looking forward to hearing from u guys. Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmac999
    Hmmm. I see that you are a dealer of Brodie bikes. I agree with qbert, you shouldn't be using a consumer review forum to plug your line up.

    Actually, there's nothing in your signature to show you are a Brodie dealer, it only says you are a Chumba distributor. I've seen a few of your posts in the Chumba forum. this isn't the first time you've been called out on plugging your line up. How would the OP decipher that you are a Brodie dealer from your post?

    As far as UK followers here on MTBR, there are quite a few. It seems you are reacting caustically because you have been caught at something.

    Here's a post you made in a thread about the Brodie Holeshot

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    That one may actually be against forum rules as it's almost an ad which you didn't pay for. If there are so few UK members, why are you so quick to quote prices and availability here then? You hardly are an impartial poster.
    Who are you,a MTBR cop.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000
    "hey, how about a bike i sell".

    seriously si, when are you gonna stop this 5h!t
    whats the price on the brodie ti ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cup
    Hi guys , I was wondering if the on-one 456 will have a slack geometry. I'm steppin down from a nomad to a AM ht and I'm looking around. The on-one ti now has a promo on their webbie with 10spd xt and revelation fork.

    The other bike im looking at will be at the dialled bike alpine. For the component of thr alpine, I'll be sourcing for yhe parts individually. Eg fork , drivetrain and all.

    But what's stopping me from getting either bike id the geometry. I really love a slack setup. If I can the same set up compared to my nomad, I'll pull yhe trigger. I use to ride a gt avalanche which is very racy and upright which I don't like. Looking forward to hearing from u guys. Cheers
    The Alpine or the On-One Ti is going to be pretty slack, not even close to your GT. Have you compared the numbers to your Nomad? Don't forget the hardtail numbers are sagged and the Alpine is with a 130mm fork.

    But there are even slacker hardtails like the On-One Summer Season or Ragley Blue Pig.

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    GT Avalanche 2011 has All Mountain geometry and up to at least 140mm fork:

    Avalanche X:


    I have an Avalanche 2.0. Tough as nails.

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    Pure, funk!
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    Quote Originally Posted by juancho142
    GT Avalanche 2011 has All Mountain geometry and up to at least 140mm fork:

    Avalanche X:


    I have an Avalanche 2.0. Tough as nails.
    Funky indeed! What purple hubs and pedals are those?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowpatchman6
    Funky indeed! What purple hubs and pedals are those?
    All Terra Alloy Disc hubs and GT Slim Line Flat pedals.

    http://www.bikepedia.com/quickbike/B...pert&Type=bike
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    Lol strange that is their stock color scheme. Idk about AM geo just because they put a sektor on it though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pfox90
    Lol strange that is their stock color scheme. Idk about AM geo just because they put a sektor on it though.
    What's wrong with a Sektor?
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    Yup. The same hubs and pedals as in the Avalanche 1.0 and 2.0 (i have this one).
    The cool thing about the 2011 GTs models is that they come with parts custom made for each model, giving the bike a custom look, its all part of the marketing campaign.

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    I understand completely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek
    What's wrong with a Sektor?
    Nothing is wrong with the sektor at all, I'm saying it doesn't have AM geo just because they put a AM fork on it......
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    Quote Originally Posted by pfox90
    Nothing is wrong with the sektor at all, I'm saying it doesn't have AM geo just because they put a AM fork on it......
    Not only because of that, it also has a 68 head angle (in the avalanche X) and 73.5 seat angle, short chainstays and all of the 2011 avalanches come with 120+mm forks.


    The geometry is simmilar to other AM hardtails i`ve seen and besides its catalogued as an AM hardtail:

    http://www.dirtgeek.com/news-latest-...ain-bikes.html

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    I rode my friends and it is just as squirrely than my old DB with a 70 HA. They must have drastically changed the geo on them because I think his is only a year or two older.
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    That geometry looks pretty good to me. I like the idea of a steaper seat tube angle on an AM bike (like Ragley bikes) but a little less slack headtube angle. I think this geometry would be about perfect for the riding I do. Is that geo with a 140 fork or 120? If it's 120 it seems like it'd be real nice with a 140 too. Anyone know of any other frames with similar geo? I keep going back and forth b/w AL and steel too....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtskibum16
    That geometry looks pretty good to me. I like the idea of a steaper seat tube angle on an AM bike (like Ragley bikes) but a little less slack headtube angle. I think this geometry would be about perfect for the riding I do. Is that geo with a 140 fork or 120? If it's 120 it seems like it'd be real nice with a 140 too. Anyone know of any other frames with similar geo? I keep going back and forth b/w AL and steel too....
    Dialled Alpine has the steep SA and not quite as slack HA as the Ragley's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lokomonkey
    are you serious? the komodo rides better?....any way now, I'm waiting for the TROOF, I want a good pedaler, great descender, and capable of long travel...
    Yes,the komodos are awesome....the troof is huge step up form a mmmbop so I'd think its worth a shoot to wait for it.
    If you cant wait then go for a trans am,komodo,surge 2 is a killer ride,and best bang for the $$$ !!!!

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    have you considered banshee viento?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pongky View Post
    have you considered banshee viento?
    Eh, that's more of an xc/trail bike. Scirocco is a better choice, Morphine for the hardcore.
    What the hell is an aluminum falcon?

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    I bought new fork and frame - RS Revelation air u-turn and Norco Rampage 2008.
    I will give photos soon

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