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    All Mountain skis

    We are not the only ones who fall for the "All Mountain" label.
    I demoed Nordica Afterburners last Wednesday, which is in the "All Mountain Skis" category, and they made my Atomic SX10s feel like lead.
    I made the purchase the very next day, and already skied them yesterday.
    So I now ride AM bike and AM skis, and I will call my snowboard AM too.
    I even started listening to AM radio!
    AM for life!

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    Word. I love AM everything. The AM lifestyle is the best way to live fo sho. I've got 3 sets of AM skis, 1 AM bike, AM attitude, AM obsession. Wonder how many other skiers there are on here?

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    just got 2009 K2 recon. I love to ski trees.

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    I've skied about 5 times in my life (don't really complain), but I've got tons of that AM attitude and obsession

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    AM has been used as a reference in snowboarding for over 10 years. I picked up a FS deck in '95, sold it in '96 and have been riding AM boards since then [Limited Ltd., Sims Daytona, Burton Supermodel, Burton BMC, Option Signature, Ride Timeless]. AM is also referred to as Big Mountain or Directional. Note, these should not be confused with Alpine snowboards or the infamous Monoskis [Q: "What tricks can you do on your monoski?" A: "Well, I've become quite good at the back-scratcher..."].
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    20+ years ago GS (Giant Slalom) race skis or softer detuned GS skis were given the term "All Mountain". These "AM" skis were most popular for powder and other off groomed trail skiing.

    Mountain biking marketing picked up on this "AM" term pretty late in the game, maybe 2003, to categorize the XC/trail ride bikes which were full suspension and heavier than XC race bikes, but not as heavy as DH or big jump bikes, even after the Freeride bike category was coined about 2001.
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    hey i ski AM on a pare of dynastar trouble makers (spelling?) witch are so park oriented it is not even funny but they are a lot of fun and i ride a giant reign 3 when im not skiing
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    I do AM rock climbing with my son (yes I just pulled that out of my butt). Given my screwed-up back I spend all of Saturday afternoon in bed after AM rock climbing earlier in the day.

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    skiings cool stuff...love twin tips though...for all dose tricks...

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    Volkl AC 50's

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    I always skied AM skis and loved it...

    Though this year I picked up a pair of K2 public enemy skis just to play around with on this side..to cheat on my salomon am skis...

    Now I see the light...fat twin tips can do everything that am skis can plus hit the jumps...

    now its only the twin stix for me...

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    Burton 'T' series...
    oh wait...not a two-planker
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    I'm not too happy with the AM skis. Way too soft to carve a GS turn, and just not right when off the groomers.

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    Voile Insanes, Dynastar Big Troubles, Volkl T-Rolls, Rossignol Mega Bangs and Black Diamond Havocs round out my quiver. I'm loving the Big Troubles a lot right now.
    Getting tired of driving to CO for snow after 2 years of heaven here in NM. Guess it can't be good every year. Only bad thing is, that the lack of precipitation will likely shut down the forests for MTB season when this weak winter is over! Taos was a sheet of ice with way too many bare spots, rocks and closed trails this Sat. So sad.

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    I am looking at replacing my K2 Public Enemy's - some suggestions are appreciated

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    Rossi Bandits. Best ski ever unless you are on only pow. Then Rossi S7. Hit a cliff today that I thought was gonna be 20 feet. As I came off the lip I saw that it was closer to 35. Nice landing though and I was stoked. Goin back tomarrow to backflip it on film.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007
    I am looking at replacing my K2 Public Enemy's - some suggestions are appreciated
    Why???

    BTW....the new salomon teneighty's are nice....

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    If you like foam cores.
    Keep the Country country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emtnate
    I'm not too happy with the AM skis. Way too soft to carve a GS turn, and just not right when off the groomers.
    Not sure what you mean. Most AM skis are a bit stiffer and are designed to ski off groomers more...

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    Salomon X-Wing Tornados and a Burton Supermodel.

    Sadly, there isn't a bike in my stable to split the Motolite and Socom. I'd love to get a Remedy or Slopestyle, but don't currently have the funds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delnorte
    Not sure what you mean. Most AM skis are a bit stiffer and are designed to ski off groomers more...
    100% agree with this comment. Don't know what skiing level emtnate is at, but I have had great success as a ski instructor in getting breakthrough on carving with my pupils and it can be achieved with a wide variety of skis. There is a world of difference between GS skis and AM - of course there is - with the AM needing a bit more concentration on getting in the centre of the ski to work the whole edge but generally I'd say the limitations most people face are technique-based and not equipment. Stick a typical intermediate on a GS race ski and they'll be completely freaked by the acceleration which will work against them getting their positioning right.

    For the record, I found my perfect ski in 2004 with the 1st generation K2 Apache Recon. Got mine set up with Fritschi Diamir Freeride bindings and touring skins, officially making them the most expensive pair of skis I've ever owned.

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    Well the Recons are a quite a bit stiffer than the older K2 Omni 4.5 I had. The only "all mountain-ish" ski I've been on. They're extremely unstable at speed, they carve fine at low angles.

    In the backcountry, they're just too narrow. Skiing in Michigan, I rarely get to practice my powder technique, but they don't float as well as my older explorers.

    I'm going to get new skis, and still lean towards the all-mountain category. I started racing in the beer league, but don't want race stock. I want to demo some Volkl AC-50 before the end of the season. A better all mountain ski may change my opinion.

    Edit: petercarm - how do the freerides treat you in bounds? The place I ski in Michigan has good access for hills you can climb with fishscales, but bootpacking on sidecountry trips is getting old. I've been dreaming of pairing up some freerides with BD kilowatts or machines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emtnate
    Edit: petercarm - how do the freerides treat you in bounds? The place I ski in Michigan has good access for hills you can climb with fishscales, but bootpacking on sidecountry trips is getting old. I've been dreaming of pairing up some freerides with BD kilowatts or machines.
    The freerides work fine and have never given me a moment's bother. The combo of Apache Recon and the freerides is the one which I use by far the most. I could (and do on occasion) waste time wondering whether a more aggressive binding could work better and give me an extra 0.0x% edge grip, but I then go and lay down some carves on a hard packed piste and realise it is just my usual nonsense of lusting after the theoretical best. I do treat the freerides with a measure of respect though, particularly when popping the binding to step out. There will be limits to what such a light binding can take, abuse-wise.

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    Atomic Sweet Daddy's with Naxo NX21 bindings for winter + tracer VP for summer = All year AM Porn Fest

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    A good skier can adapt to their technique to cover nearly any ski and any conditions. In fact, that's what it means to be a good skier, in my book. All this specificity is just a way to excuse lack of technique. The only exceptions are at the very extreme ends of either ski designs or conditions. Even then, you'll find some folks skiing anything and everything on skinny, edgeless XC skis. If they can do that, I can ignore what skis I have and just ski.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tduro
    A good skier can adapt to their technique to cover nearly any ski and any conditions. In fact, that's what it means to be a good skier, in my book. All this specificity is just a way to excuse lack of technique. The only exceptions are at the very extreme ends of either ski designs or conditions. Even then, you'll find some folks skiing anything and everything on skinny, edgeless XC skis. If they can do that, I can ignore what skis I have and just ski.
    LMFAO!!!! I might even have to use this post as my signature on the ski forums I vist!
    That's like saying that the best downhill MTB racers and the best riders in Crankworks should be riding on fixed gear, fully rigid 29'ers with V-brakes and cyclocross tires!
    I'd love to see some dude on edgeless XC skis hang with me or anyone I ski with on a powder day, in the trees, in the bumps, hell... even a groomer.
    This quote is going on the best gaper quote of the week thread on Teton Gravity forums.

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    Funny to see the TGR forum mentioned here. It's the one other forum I frequent and the type of people on it couldn't be more different than the average MTBR poster.
    Keep the Country country.

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    I don't see why skis and snowboards are made with so many different shapes/designs...
    they should all be straight and have the ONLY bends being the ones that curve up and plow so as to no get snow on your boot.
    Skis are a mode of transportation... not for fun.
    Quit goofin' around and get back to work.
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Because they are well used and I am not a big fan of the twin tip design.

    I have used salomons for a few years (new set each year as I kill foam cores) so they could be on the radar again.

    Am thinking of the Volkl Unlimited series or Head Monsters (both nice wood core). Something with no twin tip though.

    Quote Originally Posted by spec4life
    Why???

    BTW....the new salomon teneighty's are nice....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt
    Funny to see the TGR forum mentioned here. It's the one other forum I frequent and the type of people on it couldn't be more different than the average MTBR poster.
    ..and what a wonderful microcosm of pseudo-anarchic humanity it is. Even if you aren't a skiier, Snapper's redhead for the week is worth checking out.

    Oh and BTW, if you hadn't noticed Ski companies have been using "All Mountain" to describe skis since before the "suspension fork" was invented; and if ya'lls "best ski" choices were posted up at TGR, you would be jonged to no end.

    Edit: I should clarify, you would be jonged to no end regardless; it's a bit of a right of passage. The X-wings would just be like blood in the water...

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    K2 Apache Recons, great AM ski. Even pretty good up to a foot or so powder. Any more than that, and I go with a pair of fatties.
    fill what's empty, empty what's full, and scratch where it itches.

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    Backcountry AM stoke

    A little backcountry AM stoke from an older post of mine. We've done this backcountry route a few times this year. It's called Heavens Hills and is just outside of Santa Fe, NM.

    The best part is the hike across the tops of the mtns at 11,000-12,000 ft to get to the downhill. Then it's some of the best untracked tree skiing around for about an hour down to a trail that takes you back to the vehicle. Skiers can usually find powder back there even 2 weeks after a storm has passed.
    Ripping in the Mtns....

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    I've had a set of Volkl 724 AX3's for years and love them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tduro
    A good skier can adapt to their technique to cover nearly any ski and any conditions. In fact, that's what it means to be a good skier, in my book. All this specificity is just a way to excuse lack of technique. The only exceptions are at the very extreme ends of either ski designs or conditions. Even then, you'll find some folks skiing anything and everything on skinny, edgeless XC skis. If they can do that, I can ignore what skis I have and just ski.
    Anything and everything?? Now that's funny. Maybe some Dovre 3-pins and floppy tennis shoe boots to go with em' to help for icy headwalls.

    I don't usually post on this forum, but saw this thread and had to poke some fun.

    I am thinking mid 90's to mid 100's as a good all mountain / western backcountry ski these days. (narrow to some, I know)
    My 81mm Barons are feeling a little soft for ice, and narrow in the deep blower these days. Real nice for ~12" pow and corn though. Some BD Verdicts would be just about right I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by delnorte
    LMFAO!!!! I might even have to use this post as my signature on the ski forums I vist!
    That's like saying that the best downhill MTB racers and the best riders in Crankworks should be riding on fixed gear, fully rigid 29'ers with V-brakes and cyclocross tires!
    I'd love to see some dude on edgeless XC skis hang with me or anyone I ski with on a powder day, in the trees, in the bumps, hell... even a groomer.
    This quote is going on the best gaper quote of the week thread on Teton Gravity forums.
    Wow, i just checked out some of the posts made by this Tduro guy and he's got some real winners!
    Like this one: That seems counter-intuitive. With the same saddle position, wouldn't a higher bar raise my CG, making OTB more likely?
    Or this: In many cases, better equipment will actually keep you from learning skills. Accelerating effectively in that Hyundai requires skill, practice, and timing. Accelerating in a Ferrari - not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strafer
    Wow, i just checked out some of the posts made by this Tduro guy and he's got some real winners!
    Like this one: That seems counter-intuitive. With the same saddle position, wouldn't a higher bar raise my CG, making OTB more likely?
    Or this: In many cases, better equipment will actually keep you from learning skills. Accelerating effectively in that Hyundai requires skill, practice, and timing. Accelerating in a Ferrari - not so much.
    I know. I went through his post record and it was better than sitting through a Richard Pryor comedy concert. His posts are full of classic material for sure. What a trip. I even made one of them (edited for length) my sig!
    But hey, at least he's got some stoke for the same sport we all love. I'd love to go on a ride with him!

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    Thanks all! Glad I could help.

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    BD Verdicts count?

    Do my BD Vertics count as AM skis?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wzl
    Do my BD Vertics count as AM skis?
    "Backcountry", maybe. "Big Mountain" probably. "All Mountain", they are better than that...

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    When I'm not riding this:



    I'll often be riding one of these:



    (except the 2 pairs on the right, those are my lady's boards)
    2016 Santa Cruz Hightower 29er
    2015 Trek Farley 26fat
    2013 Transition TransAM 29er

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    I keep running my Atomic R-EX with Look PX 14 Ti lifter bindings. I think they are an equivalent of my AM bike - somewhat heavy, simple and durable. And perform quite well when pushed.

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