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    All Mountain Saddle?

    So the Dakar I just bought comes with the Fizik Plateau saddle, but I'm wondering if I could benefit from a better saddle? What are your preferences for AM saddles? What should I look for in them? Is the Plateau a pretty good saddle worth keeping?

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    Er, what do you feel is wrong with the Plateau?
    I prefer seats that feel good to me, whatever kind of riding I am doing. For mountain biking it is good if it can also survive a few over-the-bars. Fizik Dolomiti fits me and has not broken yet. I have a 20 year old seat of roughly the same shape on the errand bike too. It might, or might not, fit you.

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    The best AM saddle is that one with the 2 springs at the back... Cant go wrong with that!
    Riding F/S since oct 94'

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    Dude can't get his AM on with no Fizik Plateau. Try a Brooks.
    Gone are the days we stopped to decide,
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    Koobi eu anduro is my fevorite.

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    That Fizik is pretty light which is nice, but if it is uncomfortable then I have always been a big fan of WTB saddles.

    Currently I am on a WTB Power V saddle, I like it alot but it is quite heavy.
    WTB Power V

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    I have a fizik plateau, and I like it.

    Not hard like weight weeny XC,
    but not too heavy or bulky.

    Good balance of padding and sleekness for me.

    IMHO It really all depends on the tooshie factor after the ride. If your butt feels sore or numb after the ride try something different. If not, and the weight isnt too much, keep it.

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    AM saddles.... I love this forum.

    Like phlakvest said... Does your butt hurt? No? Then keep the seat.
    Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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    First of all, Arrogant Bastard Ale is amazing.
    Second of all, let me ask questions. It's a forum.
    Stone ftw.

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    I personally love this saddle.... It's comfy for long durations, highly resistant to abuse, and very well made. It also keeps friction down as you don't slide around much.

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    SDG Bel-Air and the original chromo rail Titec Ithys

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    There's no such thing as an All Mountain Saddle. It's like that "all mountain screw" someone here quotes in his signature.

    Just find a saddle that's comfortable and that's it.

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    WTB DEVO , is the best one

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    Quote Originally Posted by s62
    First of all, Arrogant Bastard Ale is amazing.
    Second of all, let me ask questions. It's a forum.
    Stone ftw.
    Ask away! Allow me to comment. Seats are personal as all butts are different. As others have said, if you're unhappy, look to WTB. I use the Rocket V Race. It's narrower than many yet I'm a big dude - 6'4, 270. Go figure. There are seats for different applications but seats are not AM or XC, they are one component that is truely dictacted by the rider's feel. When in doubt, find some Arrogant Bastard. Stone will show you the way.

    But, yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, my opinion, man.
    Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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    Koobi eu anduro is my fevorite.
    right on, great saddle!
    what would rainbow unicorn do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefanos
    There's no such thing as an All Mountain Saddle. It's like that "all mountain screw" someone here quotes in his signature.

    Just find a saddle that's comfortable and that's it.
    I 2nd, 3rd, and 4th that. listen to Stefanos.........all mountain saddle is almost as real as the unicorn horn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefanos
    There's no such thing as an All Mountain Saddle. It's like that "all mountain screw" someone here quotes in his signature.

    Just find a saddle that's comfortable and that's it.
    Very true. I figure that a rider who likens his/her riding style to the AM side of things possibly needs an abuse-resistant saddle.... Then again, it depends on how often said rider's bike stays rubber side down. But if a Tioga Spider saddle is the most comfortable on a particular posterior, so be it, no matter what bike it's on.
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    I would definitely look into wtb saddles, try before you buy if you can, and only buy if you can return when it comes to saddles. WTB has a little of everything. I personally like the Pure-V, and they come standard on many AM/trail bikes at the shops in the area

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    A very wise man once said

    "A saddle needs to fit your ass."

    That's what it comes down to, really, in the "end" if you will.

    For my 2c? I also look for a saddle of the right shape, that has a somewhat durable covering - say kevlar corners and such - as my saddle WILL end up impacting stuff when the bike ejects me.

    Which, of course, will happen, as the other wise man once said ...

    "There are two kinds of mountain bikers, those who have fallen and those who will fall."

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    The WTB stuff looks very good... I'm not really sure how to try 1000 different saddles to see what fits the best, so I think slow trial and error through purchase will have to do. For AM, I do want a tough saddle with small wings for better grinding uphill and super supportive for the rough ride down. I just wasn't sure if they made saddles just for this purpose.

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    I like the price for WTB... But I did experience the rails pulling out when banging again a tree. I found out this was not unusual. Did this happen to anyone? How much $$ is the AM?

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    er, AM = all mountain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s62
    The WTB stuff looks very good... I'm not really sure how to try 1000 different saddles to see what fits the best, so I think slow trial and error through purchase will have to do. For AM, I do want a tough saddle with small wings for better grinding uphill and super supportive for the rough ride down. I just wasn't sure if they made saddles just for this purpose.

    Mate, you're reading waaay too much into this "AM" marketing baloney

    Is there something wrong with your current saddle, or is it an AM image thing?

    I'm running a WTB Laser on my "AM" bike 'cause I found it in a bargain bin. If I had to use another saddle, it'd either be a 200g Selle Success or my old Brooks B17 with the leather sidewalls cut away to drop some weight (but still be over 400g of premium leather). My point being that the label and percieved ruggedness of riding really doesn't matter.

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    You missed what I said. I want a rugged saddle that promotes grinding uphill (thin wings) but still manages to be cushy and supportive for the rough downhill elements of AM. It's not a marketing buy-in. It's a specific need.

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    I got myself Fizik's Gobi and it's really nice... Just make sure you have decent riding shorts.

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    Got to plug my new Deity saddle. Both cush and pimpin'; what more take over the whole mountain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by s62
    You missed what I said. I want a rugged saddle that promotes grinding uphill (thin wings) but still manages to be cushy and supportive for the rough downhill elements of AM. It's not a marketing buy-in. It's a specific need.
    I had read and understood what you said about the rugged, thin wings + cushy bit.
    I still think it's a complete marketing buy-in if you somehow think that "AM" has special saddle requirements

    Now, on the other hand, if you just want a narrow but well-padded saddle, that's another story. Something like the 135mm WTB Rocket would do nicely.

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    I'm rocking a Selle Italia Yutaak which has those Vibram bits to help your knees grip the saddle and use it as a steering wheel of sorts on the steeps. Guess that sold me!

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    FWIW I had the Rocket V and felt it was too narrow for my fat ass, but the Power V is very comfortable. Next I am going to go down to something in between like a Pure V or a Laser V in the Team or Stealth line. The Pure V with the Ti rails is almost half a pound less than the Power V I am on now if that is important to you.

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    I've read that cushy saddles aren't any good, is there a reason for this? The current saddle on my bike is a pain in the ass (literally) and while I'm considering another saddle, I remember being told to "get used to it" for whatever reason but I still don't understand WHY.

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    The saddle that I had on my bike before allowed me to sink into the padding. That clearly increased the chafing: bigger area of the saddle in contact with my backside.

    The new one is much more firm, although roughly the same shape, and there is less chafing. I suppose the pressure around the sit bones must be slightly higher but it has not bothered me at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imzjustplayin
    I've read that cushy saddles aren't any good, is there a reason for this? The current saddle on my bike is a pain in the ass (literally) and while I'm considering another saddle, I remember being told to "get used to it" for whatever reason but I still don't understand WHY.
    The following is from http://sheldonbrown.com/saddles.html and explains the problem with overly cushy saddles.

    "The "Two Bump Problem"
    Imagine sitting down on a coffee table. Your weight is concentrated on the two bumps of your "sit bones", also known as the "ischial tuberosities." These are the parts of your body designed to bear your seated weight. Most cases of saddle-related discomfort arise because the load is carried on the soft tissues between the sit bones.

    Imagine placing a soft pillow on top of the coffee table. Now, as you sit down on it, the sit bones compress the pillow, which yields until the sit bones are almost on the table surface again. The difference is that now, you have pressure in between your sit bones from the middle part of the pillow.

    Many cyclists are unaware of this, and many saddles are made to appeal to the purchaser who chooses a saddle on the basis of how easily the thumb can sink into the squishy top. This type of saddle is only comfortable for very short rides, (though an inexperienced cyclist will often find it more comfortable than a better saddle, as long as rides don't exceed a mile or two.)

    Saddles with excessive padding are also a common cause of painful chafing of the inner thigh, as rides become longer. "

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    well u could be a freaking savage and get a sella italia slr xp, fizik arione, fizik aliente, or just go with a classic fizik gobi <- those be comfy. never rea;lly riddin wtbs but the rockets or pure i think r pretty comfy with gel. and you could get the ti rails on cr-mo if u carred about weight
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    The WTB Speed V is my favorite saddle so far, fits (me) very well and works in both trail riding and DH/FR contexts. It greatly increases my ride endurance by decreasing my saddle-induced agony factor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s62
    So the Dakar I just bought comes with the Fizik Plateau saddle, but I'm wondering if I could benefit from a better saddle? What are your preferences for AM saddles? What should I look for in them? Is the Plateau a pretty good saddle worth keeping?
    As others have said, there is nothing AM about a saddle. I think the saddle requirements for an AM bike are the same as any xc bike. It needs to be comfortable.

    I will add one thing: With any mountain bike saddle, I want to get one as narrow in the back as I can get away with so it is easier to get behind the seat and it is easier to move the bike around under me. This is not important to me on a road bike.

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    Hi Guys,

    On my old '99 TREK 930 it use to have a WTB saddle (not sure what model tho) it was alright for good 2 hrs but after that I can't feel my butt and thigh. So, I bought this 90 guarantee saddle by Serfas (gel type w/ cut in the middle) Damn, this thing is even worst! My butt is taking the beating on this seat. Today I'm returning it and might try their other saddle by serfas also and see. The saddle w/ the RX on the tag. They said it is recommended by the doctor so we'll see.

    I ride 2x week 80% road and 20% offroad/dirt and then on the weekend I do 100% offroad in advance level track. I need a saddle that will be comfy for atleast good 4 hours. I don't mind spending $100-$150 if the product is great. Not good but great! Let me know. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tjay
    Hi Guys,

    On my old '99 TREK 930 it use to have a WTB saddle (not sure what model tho) it was alright for good 2 hrs but after that I can't feel my butt and thigh. So, I bought this 90 guarantee saddle by Serfas (gel type w/ cut in the middle) Damn, this thing is even worst! My butt is taking the beating on this seat. Today I'm returning it and might try their other saddle by serfas also and see. The saddle w/ the RX on the tag. They said it is recommended by the doctor so we'll see.

    I ride 2x week 80% road and 20% offroad/dirt and then on the weekend I do 100% offroad in advance level track. I need a saddle that will be comfy for atleast good 4 hours. I don't mind spending $100-$150 if the product is great. Not good but great! Let me know. Thanks!
    Which WTB saddle they make a huge range, my friend has one that is way too cushy for my taste (Speed V). I think if you got something like a Laser V or a Pure V you would be golden. Note that the Ti railed models are quite a bit lighter. The Specialized BG saddles seem to be pretty good too, another friend has one on his FSR and I like it.

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    saddle

    since a mtb saddle doesnt need to be saving a few grams with titanium, you can get a good saddle for 50. i have some 150 road saddles, but why waste the money.my $45 specialized is fine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tjay
    Hi Guys,

    On my old '99 TREK 930 it use to have a WTB saddle (not sure what model tho) it was alright for good 2 hrs but after that I can't feel my butt and thigh. So, I bought this 90 guarantee saddle by Serfas (gel type w/ cut in the middle) Damn, this thing is even worst! My butt is taking the beating on this seat. Today I'm returning it and might try their other saddle by serfas also and see. The saddle w/ the RX on the tag. They said it is recommended by the doctor so we'll see.

    I ride 2x week 80% road and 20% offroad/dirt and then on the weekend I do 100% offroad in advance level track. I need a saddle that will be comfy for atleast good 4 hours. I don't mind spending $100-$150 if the product is great. Not good but great! Let me know. Thanks!
    You are just going to have to experiment. WTB has a program now with a lot of bike shops where they have samples of many of their saddle shapes and you can check each one out for a week.

    So far the most comfortable saddle for me has been the Koobi Au Enduro. The only problem for me is that it is too wide in the back for technical riding, though no wider than many saddles that are quite popular (pretty average width for an MTB saddl)e. Anyway, it now lives on the road bike which, IMO, is a true test of saddle comfort and I am very happy with it there.

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    Just switched to WTB Laser V Team. Love it

    If you want more of a 'tail' go with WTB Pure V Team

    I had a Spec Rival, previous but like the WTB much better
    Last edited by All Mountain; 09-20-2007 at 11:32 PM.

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    I have the WTB speed V. Just returned the serfas and got the serfas RX. We'll see how it is tomorrow in my 4 hour journey

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    Azonic just came out with a new Journey saddle - cross between a downhill and XC saddle: http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...2&category=150
    I've tried a LOT of saddles and popped one on my M3. Liked it so much I have one on my Blur LT too. Far better than anything WTB or SDG has yet to come out with. Best $40 I've ever spent on my bikes.

    Have FUN!

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