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  1. #6101
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnuts View Post
    Slick looking ride. Nice!

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    "There is just something about that firm backend that I enjoy."

    you don't say?

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    My Ti Honzo set up single speed.
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    It's been a while since I've posted parts and configuration updates on my Surge EVO. So here are some pics in chronological order.

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    Fork just came back from service and tuning. Adding a new tubeless DT-Swiss - I25 Team - Vigilante - Sunrace black CSMS3, wheel.

    While I have it apart, I'm thinking of painting over that ugly red graphic!
    Goodbye '95 ZJ. Just so you know, transfering box of left behind womens panties to next truck. Thank you ZJ!

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    Surly Wednesday
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    120/140mm manitou mastodon
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    150mm fox transfer dropper
    26 oval/11-46 cassette
    Sarma carbon wheels
    DT Swiss 350 hubs
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    WTF BojanMikic, I mean, ahh, I don't know what to say. I do love it though! Amazing, mind blown.

    People are going to need 36's, Lyrics, and the like in Fat sizes.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BojanMikic View Post
    Surly Wednesday
    120/140mm manitou mastodon


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    Manitou sells a sticker color that will match the stem and grips. Which I think would put the build on a whole other level. Then the only red left is Logoing on the fender and rims, which actually compliments themselves. The Manitou red is damn bright and distracting from those Logos. The Manitou red keeps trying to pull my eyes away from the rest of the bike too.

    Other then that BS-fricken-WOW-what a beautiful, aggressive fatty!
    Goodbye '95 ZJ. Just so you know, transfering box of left behind womens panties to next truck. Thank you ZJ!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdxmark View Post
    Manitou sells a sticker color that will match the stem and grips. Which I think would put the build on a whole other level. Then the only red left is Logoing on the fender and rims, which actually compliments themselves. The Manitou red is damn bright and distracting from those Logos. The Manitou red keeps trying to pull my eyes away from the rest of the bike too.

    Other then that BS-fricken-WOW-what a beautiful, aggressive fatty!
    Thanks!

    I was thinking about the other color stickers , but my wheels do have same color red letters.




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    My steam is matching (kind of)
    My drive train. Nothing is perfect...


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    Quote Originally Posted by BojanMikic View Post

    My steam is matching (kind of)
    My drive train. Nothing is perfect...


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    I like the red on the Fender and rims, they are a close hue. So I think they compliment the frame color, but the red on the Manitou sticker distracts from that aesthetic!
    Goodbye '95 ZJ. Just so you know, transfering box of left behind womens panties to next truck. Thank you ZJ!

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    My Ti Kona Honzo SS
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    Quote Originally Posted by maximo View Post
    My Ti Kona Honzo SS
    Sweet ride!
    I’ll do SS on my Surly Wednesday coming spring.
    What gearing are you using?


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    Quote Originally Posted by BojanMikic View Post
    Sweet ride!
    I’ll do SS on my Surly Wednesday coming spring.
    What gearing are you using?


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    Thanks! I am running 32x19. That Wednesday of yours is badass.

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    My new Commencal Meta AM,,Sold my Turner 26er and was able to get into this with only a few bucks outa pocket
    Super stoked,,not the best kitted but I'll upgrade as needed
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    My pike will be back on before the weekend.

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    https://youtu.be/eSr9PbT7bl4

    Breakdown of my Nukeproof Scout 290

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    2018 Honzo ST / SS / 2.5 DHF tubeless/ Nukeproof carbon riser bar / 28lbs


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    Quote Originally Posted by maximo View Post
    My Ti Honzo set up single speed.
    I'm running 32/16 on my Honzo ST. It hurts on steep climbs. What are you running?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tantrum007 View Post
    I'm running 32/16 on my Honzo ST. It hurts on steep climbs. What are you running?
    Damn man! I would never be able to get away with 32x16 around here. I run 32x19 or 32x20 depending on trail or ride I plan on doing. Where do you live?

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    32/16? Ouch!
    32/21 on the 26er and I'm still walking up some hills.
    For fun 32/21
    For race 32/20 or 34/20
    For gravel racing 36/18 (same as 32/16 but I haven't had any luck with cogs smaller than 17)

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    The All Mountain Hardtail Thread. Post up yours.-img_20171207_170329.jpg

    Holy shit this thing RIPS, chromag rootdown BA in m/l, 17 float 36, flows on unbranded front and boosted atomlab 102 rear, X0 trail brake with hope floating rotors, gx eagle, 150mm Lev and an enve dh bar...

    Shakedown run with the new (to me) forks on it and I was 10 seconds off my PB on a 14 minute track... That I set on my HD4!

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    After my trip to whistler I Just built this up....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mint355 View Post
    After my trip to whistler I Just built this up....
    These are all kinds of badass. I have one of these on my list for this year.

    Enjoy!
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    Thought I'd post another pic since I got it how I want it
    Commencal Meta AM ,,added a dropper & Bel air saddle,XT brakes,Vibrocore riser bars,Marz 350 160mm fork, rotors,grips and 1x
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    2017 Ragley Marley
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    Nice,,I was about an inch away from getting the Marley but went Meta instead,,very nice bike enjoy

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    Chromag Aperture

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    NS Djambo frame, set up 27.5+
    GX Eagle drivetrain
    Revelation fork
    SLX Brakes, 203/180 rotors
    Syncros wheelset
    Spank bars and pedals

    Just waiting on the dropper and the snow to stop!

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    This thread is just awesome, love looking at all these beautiful, sexy hardtails

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjames12 View Post
    NS Djambo frame, set up 27.5+
    GX Eagle drivetrain
    Revelation fork
    SLX Brakes, 203/180 rotors
    Syncros wheelset
    Spank bars and pedals

    Just waiting on the dropper and the snow to stop!

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    Yaaasss! Looking good. Can you not fit that front brake cable on the inside? Or you like to live dangerously?
    You have that pretty coordinated, plans for those rim decals?


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    Quote Originally Posted by slipperyb View Post
    Yaaasss! Looking good. Can you not fit that front brake cable on the inside? Or you like to live dangerously?
    You have that pretty coordinated, plans for those rim decals?


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    Thanks. Yeah, those decals do really stand out, don't they? They'll be coming off. Got a good deal on the wheelset from someone, so I ignored it not really matching the color scheme.

    Not sure what you mean by the front brake? The frame doesn't have any internal routing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjames12 View Post
    Thanks. Yeah, those decals do really stand out, don't they? They'll be coming off. Got a good deal on the wheelset from someone, so I ignored it not really matching the color scheme.

    Not sure what you mean by the front brake? The frame doesn't have any internal routing.
    Front brake cable would typically go between the lower and the wheel from the crown to the caliper. Running it on the outside of the lower opens it up to snagging on stuff, which would not be cool.

    The blue does stand out a bit, just because you have the rest of the bike so coordinated.


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    Quote Originally Posted by slipperyb View Post
    Front brake cable would typically go between the lower and the wheel from the crown to the caliper. Running it on the outside of the lower opens it up to snagging on stuff, which would not be cool.

    The blue does stand out a bit, just because you have the rest of the bike so coordinated.


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    Oops. That's just me not paying attention while putting the brake cable on...there is enough clearance for it with the boost fork.
    Patrick

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    Nicolai Argon GLF

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    Quote Originally Posted by White7 View Post
    Nice,,I was about an inch away from getting the Marley but went Meta instead,,very nice bike enjoy
    Tks! I almost picked up the Commencal as well.


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    Pipedream Moxie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Pipedream Moxie.
    I see sliders will this be a single speed?!


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    I have a cog and am considering it. Will have it on the trail next week.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Bfat setup, so far I am quite impressed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Pipedream Moxie.
    I like the colour. Enjoy the new ride Travis!
    Safe riding,

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    What does everyone think of the Chromag Stylus? I'm looking at a few used options, between a 2016 stylus, a 2017 Kona Honzo ST, and the Orange P7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Pipedream Moxie.
    Have one the same color in transit to me.
    Is yours a Longer?

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    BLAM! Long Pipedream Moxie, love at first ride.
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    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    BLAM!
    Awesome! Hardtails are my preoccupation. I'd be thrilled to hear how you set up the cockpit, and hear some updates on how you get along with it. That bike is a really sensible design in regards to how the rider can set it up initially and then tweak the fit to make the most of its inclinations.

    I'm jealous, and i wanna know how you get along.
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    I'm 5'9", 30mm stem, bar 770mm. Up next, night ride.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    BLAM! Long Pipedream Moxie, love at first ride.
    Most excellent.
    Safe riding,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    BLAM! Long Pipedream Moxie, love at first ride.
    That looks awesome! Might be the best looking bike I have ever seen.

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    Loving my Canfield Bros. EPO....

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    Quote Originally Posted by caldog View Post
    Loving my Canfield Bros. EPO....

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    Loving my EPO as well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by caldog View Post
    Loving my Canfield Bros. EPO....

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    I'm sure its just the picture angle but that second pic looks like you're might prone to pedal strikes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    BLAM!
    Sure does look long! Great looking bike, I've been lusting after steel hardtails for a while now but I'm just not sure my body/spine would hack it for anything other than gravel grinders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHolc View Post
    I'm sure its just the picture angle but that second pic looks like you're might prone to pedal strikes...
    On my EPO I'm running 175mm XT cranks and 29er wheels.... rarely get pedal strikes. The angle makes it look really low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    BLAM! Long Pipedream Moxie, love at first ride.
    Gawddd, that is so sexy. I'm so jealous right now...

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    After spending some time on the Moxie I find it feels very normal.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    After spending some time on the Moxie I find it feels very normal.
    Did you get the Wah Wah pedals?
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    Wah Wah IIs are great. Big, thin, cheap, and most importantly they look cool.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Some great looking bikes in here!
    My instigator.

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    I remember when this thread started over 10 years ago. A lot has changed, even in the hardtail world... But the spirit of the gnardtail is still the same!!

    Been a while since I posted here so:
    My pimped it 140mm Stache. All XT, Hope Arc wheelset.
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    My 2005 Komodo still running strong.
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    This ride gave me bronchitis:
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    One of my favorite rest stops:
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    I'm a sucker for Hope hubs.
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    What a difference 12 years makes:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    BLAM! Long Pipedream Moxie, love at first ride.
    So nice.
    Can't wait to build mine, same color but Longer size.
    Just received the frame, big bummer, only now realized the seapost clamp is not included...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chelboed View Post
    I remember when this thread started over 10 years ago. A lot has changed, even in the hardtail world... But the spirit of the gnardtail is still the same!!

    Been a while since I posted here so:
    My pimped it 140mm Stache. All XT, Hope Arc wheelset.
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    My 2005 Komodo still running strong.
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    This ride gave me bronchitis:
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    One of my favorite rest stops:
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    I'm a sucker for Hope hubs.
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    Nice Komodo, I miss mine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottg07 View Post
    Nice Komodo, I miss mine!

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    Thanks. (Same size as yours!) It's definitely the one bike that I won't ever get rid of. Far too versatile. I've built it so many ways and it's delivered in every form. It's started as the red 2004 (bottom right) but warrantied to the 2005 freeride hardtail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chelboed View Post
    Thanks. (Same size as yours!) It's definitely the one bike that I won't ever get rid of. Far too versatile. I've built it so many ways and it's delivered in every form. It's started as the red 2004 (bottom right) but warrantied to the 2005 freeride hardtail.

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    That's awesome. It was a great bike especially as a complete on Jenson for 400$. I sold it to build up a transition vagrant until the frame cracked. Komodo was a better frame in many ways.
    I actually compared the geometry charts before ordering the Instigator- very close to the Komodo in 18.5 to 19" sizing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottg07 View Post
    That's awesome. It was a great bike especially as a complete on Jenson for 400$. I sold it to build up a transition vagrant until the frame cracked. Komodo was a better frame in many ways.
    I actually compared the geometry charts before ordering the Instigator- very close to the Komodo in 18.5 to 19" sizing.

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    My only gripe has to be rear tire clearance. When I was running DT EX5.1d rims, I had enough clearance on a 2.4" tire, but now than I'm on wider Flow EX rims, I had to trim my side knobs a bit. That said, I'm 215 and only felt it rub when I pedaled hard standing, but if it would clear 26x2.6-2.8, I'd love it!

    Geo is good. Love the long head tube, tall stack height. I'll never break it. There's gussets everywhere. This was also the years when they had the chainstay/seatstay support gussets. (Takes the vibration noise out of disc brakes)

    Kinesis was on it that generation.

    The rifled top tube generation (2008+) was cool, but the head tube was short and integrated, so it would have been a lower stack height. Bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geraldooka View Post

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    Love it.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Love it.
    Nearly had a sweet Moxie but alas the reach and ETT would likely have been too long even with a 30mm stem for me. Gorgeous ride though man.
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    Nice. Looks Nimble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geraldooka View Post
    Nearly had a sweet Moxie but alas the reach and ETT would likely have been too long even with a 30mm stem for me. Gorgeous ride though man.
    The reach is long, yes, but part of that is compensated by the very step ST (76,5º).
    My 40mm stem is still in transit, so had to install the 50mm one I had. Turns out it's actually a surprisingly good fit, will absolutely perfect with the 40mm stem.
    So don't be too intimidated by the long reach

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    Dang! I'm thinking you're getting into chopperville! HTA's are getting worked these days!!
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    I think it's obvious that it's going to do very well downhill. It will suffer in tight twisty singletrack and climbing compared to something in the 67-68' range, but this HT would shine for a Jinya.

    Very impressive nonetheless.

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    The 51mm offset forks make them feel a lot more agile then one would expect, together with very short stems.
    Also, the bike's so stable and you're so balanced between the wheels that you just go straight to the point in terms of inputs, kind of hard to explain.
    I think the concept is that one can turn tighter and quicker (or as tight and quick) with a bike that you are not scared to just throw yourself in, than with a very agile but nervous bike.

    Everyone should try one of these new school geo bikes, it's something to behold. And by new school I mean really new, as in >470mm reaches, very step ST, etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_Zaskar View Post
    The reach is long, yes, but part of that is compensated by the very step ST (76,5º).
    My 40mm stem is still in transit, so had to install the 50mm one I had. Turns out it's actually a surprisingly good fit, will absolutely perfect with the 40mm stem.
    So don't be too intimidated by the long reach
    I'm not sure how the sta will change the ett. Assuming it's measured as a horizontal line from ht centre to st centre (like most companies) it is what it is with whatever seat tube angle was designed in. That number is just too long for me, I'd be stretched out too far when seated. Now if your talking about butt to hand measured at ones seat height that will vary the distance to hands depending on the height one places their seat and I agree with a steeper seat angle that your butt would not move as far back the higher your seat goes. As to the reach I can't say as I've never ridden a bike with longer than a 440mm reach.

    I dig the longer front centre concepts but there are physical limitations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chelboed View Post
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    I think it's obvious that it's going to do very well downhill. It will suffer in tight twisty singletrack and climbing compared to something in the 67-68' range, but this HT would shine for a Jinya.

    Very impressive nonetheless.
    Nah. Manufacturers are just finally waking up and realizing that hardtails only get steeper as they move through their travel. BTR explains it well here: https://www.btr-fabrications.com/sixty-one-degree/

    My N9 I just built is kind of a test bike for me to see what will work for the type of riding I will generally do with it. I know I dig the head angle with a 120mm fork keeping the shape of the bike more consistent than a longer travel hardtail (a concept understood well by companies like Stif and BTR). The rest remains to be seen but I look forward to it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by geraldooka View Post
    I'm not sure how the sta will change the ett. Assuming it's measured as a horizontal line from ht centre to st centre (like most companies) it is what it is with whatever seat tube angle was designed in. That number is just too long for me, I'd be stretched out too far when seated. Now if your talking about butt to hand measured at ones seat height that will vary the distance to hands depending on the height one places their seat and I agree with a steeper seat angle that your butt would not move as far back the higher your seat goes. As to the reach I can't say as I've never ridden a bike with longer than a 440mm reach.

    I dig the longer front centre concepts but there are physical limitations.

    For any giving geometry, considering very other spec stays the same, the steeper the STA, the shorter the ETT. What wont change is the reach measurement.

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    If you constrict yourself to KOPS, then yes, the longer the reach the more stretched out you'll be.

    If you ignore KOPS and just follow where the STA places you, then you'll move forward a bit and compensate for the longer reach (but not that a short stems hurts anyone).

    The KEY here is that this new school geo ignores KOPS. The idea is to have a position forward to KOPS and have your COG more central between the wheels. better to climb, better to descend.

    Pole, Geometron (Nicolai by Mojo), Bird, Pipedream, all share similar geos and are getting rave reviews.

    Don't know how tall are you, but if I'm (6'1) confortable on a Longer Moxie with a 50mm stem, then someone a lot smaller also has a big chance to be on a Long Moxie with a 30mm stem

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    The All Mountain Hardtail Thread. Post up yours.

    Your both right except that all other measurements are not equal; that's my point. When manufacturers steepen the seat angle they accommodate for the lost ett by lengthening the front centre of the bike (both ett and reach lately). All I'm saying is that in the case of the Moxie the ett is too long for me, assuming the spec sheet is correct (I have found manufacturers number are often not). I'm sure there are folks my height and body shape that are cool with leaning forward more when seated or maybe they can get a few mm back by slamming the seat forward I suspect given that I find a 74º STA pretty awesome that 76.5 may be more than I'd want (on a hardtail for full sus gimme!) so I'm unlikely to want to move the seat even more forward.

    I could start doing yoga and get more comfy stretching out

    I could care less about KOPS.

    The Geo and the Pole are actually in the right ballpark for me with a 30mm stem at 610 an 614 ett respectively.
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    Sorry, but let's agree on disagree on this one.

    It's also important we specify which sizes we are talking about.
    A Longer Moxie has a 664ETT, as is a Longest Geometron, an L Pole Evolink 140 is 644mm.

    A Long Moxie is 624mm ETT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_Zaskar View Post
    Sorry, but let's agree on disagree on this one.

    It's also important we specify which sizes we are talking about.
    A Longer Moxie has a 664ETT, as is a Longest Geometron, an L Pole Evolink 140 is 644mm.

    A Long Moxie is 624mm ETT
    Fair enough. I was referring to the Long Moxie, long Geometron and medium Pole. For comparison my new N9 is 592 and I feel a bit stretched with a 40mm stem.

    I actually have the G13 on my top 3 list of future bikes so it's safe to say I buy into the new school geometry just again there are simply limits to how long that seated position can be for someone. The Pole would be on that list too but their seat lengths are long enough that I would have to use a shorter travel dropper than I'd like due to their design.

    Back to pics!
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    Also, don't forget that you don't move the saddle fore/aft to fit your reach. You move your saddle to get your knees in the correct position over your pedals. If you move the TT that far forward, you will run a shorter stem to bring the bars back to you. If you move the STA steeper with the longer TT, you move the saddle forward and move your knees further over your pedals. You must then either push the saddle further back, or move the bottom bracket forward to get pedaling efficiency back.

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    Chelboed, that is if you stick to KOPS, with this kind of new school geometry specifically ignores.

    But like Geraldooka said, let's go back to pics

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    Well I'd absolutely love to demo any of these. I'm loving this ancient thread. Keep em coming!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chelboed View Post
    I think it's obvious that it's going to do very well downhill. It will suffer in tight twisty singletrack and climbing compared to something in the 67-68' range, but this HT would shine for a Jinya.

    Very impressive nonetheless.
    That's what you would think, but it's not true. I'm 5'9" on a long Moxie setup 29 with a 150mm Fox 34, and a 30mm stem. This gives a 65° hta and yet yesterday i maneuvered through some of the tightest turns we have. Chainstays were adjusted to 431mm giving the longest wheelbase I've ever tried. I've shortened them to 425mm for tomorrow to see what it's like. As far as fit goes, I would not want to be stretched out any more than this so 470mm of reach feels like my max. 460-470 is great for me.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Here it is, Longer Pipedream Moxie:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_Zaskar View Post
    Here it is, Longer Pipedream Moxie:
    So what do you think of it after you've had a few rides?

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    Weather's not helping, hope to have the first proper big ride this weekend.
    Did some climbs and it's an incredible climber, without a doubt the best climbing bike I ever had. The geometry is out of this world

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    AM HT FTW

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    Some updates...

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    Added a Rockshox Reverb stealth with the Wolftooth Remote Sustain (which is awesome btw)

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    Not sure if that classifies as all-mountain, but it's intended to be used as one.

    140mm RS Revelation, 1x10 SLX drive, 40mm stem, 780 bars, dropper is on the way, all built around an economical Prone frame from NS Bikes subbrand, Octane One.

    A tad high-ish stand-over height for me but that's all I have for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjames12 View Post
    Some updates...

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    3.0s. Figured if I'm going to go plus, might as well go all the way. Next project is building up a 29er wheelset for it, will probably run 2.5 DHF and 2.4 DHRII with those wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjames12 View Post
    3.0s. Figured if I'm going to go plus, might as well go all the way. Next project is building up a 29er wheelset for it, will probably run 2.5 DHF and 2.4 DHRII with those wheels.
    Soon I will be putting 2.6 NN on my hardtail. I’ll post pics again. I also just installed a Wolf Tooth LA Remote on mine, Fox Transfer post. I posted pics of mine on this page but I feel like they were overlooked because it was in the middle of the debate on reach, lol. It was the Cotic Soul 2018.


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    Not sure if that classifies as all-mountain, but it's intended to be used as one.

    140mm RS Revelation, 1x10 SLX drive, 40mm stem, 780 bars, dropper is on the way, all built around an economical Prone frame from NS Bikes subbrand, Octane One.

    A tad high-ish stand-over height for me but that's all I have for now.
    If you're riding it up and down the mountain, then to me it's all mountain lol. Nice bike.

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    Not sure if that classifies as all-mountain, but it's intended to be used as one.

    140mm RS Revelation, 1x10 SLX drive, 40mm stem, 780 bars, dropper is on the way, all built around an economical Prone frame from NS Bikes subbrand, Octane One.

    A tad high-ish stand-over height for me but that's all I have for now.
    Another Prone! I just built a frame up. Zero info about the bikes, but I took a chance, frame was cheap enough. Yours looks on point!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FeedTheWolf View Post
    Cotic Soul frame size small
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    Origin 8 alloy tubeless valves
    Schwalbe Magic Mary F and Nobby Nic R, Snakeskin 2.35”
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    Hope crankset 30mm spindle 175mm arms
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    Hope 30mm bottom bracket
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    Hope 10-44t cassette
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    I love just about every detail of that bike, component and frame. Gorgeous. This was the color scheme I was going to do on my old Zaskar...

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    Crhome silver and purple ano, the 90s are back and totally awesome as ever!

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    I agree, the Cotic is a beauty!

    Question on the frame finish. Is it raw or a coating?

    Thanks.

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    Here’s my newest addition to all mountain hard tail. 2018 large nimble9. 150 ribbon up front and single speed out back. Best pic I have of it so far. Will have it out this weekend for test and tweak session


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