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    All mountain Hardtail, Which frame to consider?

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    My Ragley Blue pig '10 is starting to get som wear.. The paint is cracking severly around the brake mounts. So i consider to find something else before it breaks. Im super happy with the Ragley. Super fast downhill and really fun up the hills aswell.
    Im thinking something ligher if possible. A sub 2kg alloy frame?
    Is alloy more harsh compared to steel? ( only had alloy FS bikes before )
    What is out there? Im considering a Ragley Marley or a new Blue pig, other than that, i don't know of any similar bikes.

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    Paint cracks are not an indicator that the frame will die...
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    The carbon On-One 456 is exactly what your describing.

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    Wow! I got really exited now! From what i can see the Geo is pretty similar to my current bike? Could anyone verify this for me?

    The cracked paint means there is alot of stress.. So i do not ride my bike like i want anymore because of these "cracks" A new frame for 399£ would be okay so i dont have to worrie anymore.

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    The On-One 456 was designed by the same dude (Brant Richards) that designed the Blue Pig and Piglet, thus they are pretty similar. Other than that, there are a ton of other good choices. Browse through the AMHT sticky thread. FWIW, my guess is you'd get a LOT of good years out of that Blue Pig still.

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    I will have to consider it. A lighter and stiffer build would be nice.
    Can really feel the steel flex when pedaling. Altough, its no problem and my guess is that the blue pig rear triangle flexes alot aswell making the super smooth ride it is. And im sure i will appreciate the better pedaling, but maybe i will miss the blue pigs rear triangle flexing? Who knows.
    399£ is really cheap in my eyes... I could buy one just for the sake of funs and carbon love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skorp View Post
    Wow! I got really exited now! From what i can see the Geo is pretty similar to my current bike? Could anyone verify this for me?

    The cracked paint means there is alot of stress.. So i do not ride my bike like i want anymore because of these "cracks" A new frame for 399£ would be okay so i dont have to worrie anymore.
    Not necessarily... it could just be crappy paint. I have a steel frame that's about 17 years old. The paint cracked in several places within one year of buying it, and it's still going strong.

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    All mountain Hardtail, Which frame to consider?

    Steel is a popular HT material because it can have a lot of deflection and be well within the designed stress allowables. Paint however is not very flexible and is thus susceptible to cracking as the steel deflects. I would ride it hard without worry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    The carbon On-One 456 is exactly what your describing.
    Exactamundo. I was totally sold on a Ragley, but then the 456C appeared and that was it. Such a great frame...
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    Its not a light frame but when I get some disposable cash I am going with the Chromag Stylus

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    FWIW im in the market for an AM hardtail.

    I settled on the NS surge. Its a little heavier but i was looking for something that leaned to the freeride side. So not what your looking for.... who knows thoe i wanted it cause the HA is stupid slack and the chaiin stays are adjustable

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaXCarp View Post
    Its not a light frame but when I get some disposable cash I am going with the Chromag Stylus
    I looked at chromag but couldent help thinking the high price was 60% quality 40% paying for the name

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    Chromag might be, but the 456C is still the fav.
    The NS is nice. Altough, i like to ride up, ontop and down. I dont want to walk up the mountain.

    Might order a 456C. I have 10days until i get my money. Will think of it until then

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    The carbon 456 has your name all over it. That bike is exactly what you asked for. What are you gonna do with the blue pig? Where do you live?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    I looked at chromag but couldent help thinking the high price was 60% quality 40% paying for the name
    ^^This from the guy who JB welded his frame!

    Just joshin' you, Fuglio...I'm looking forward to your next RR. More power to you for giving it a go! The haters gonna hate...

    I am the proud 2nd owner of a Chromag Samurai and it is one of the best bikes I've ever owned. It's had the AM beatdown -- steeps, gnar, jumps, drops, etc. -- and just keeps coming back for more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeePhroh View Post
    ^^This from the guy who JB welded his frame!

    Just joshin' you, Fuglio...I'm looking forward to your next RR. More power to you for giving it a go! The haters gonna hate...

    I am the proud 2nd owner of a Chromag Samurai and it is one of the best bikes I've ever owned. It's had the AM beatdown -- steeps, gnar, jumps, drops, etc. -- and just keeps coming back for more.
    A chromag would be my first choice if they were all the same price... actually an evil soverin then chrmoag then NS bikes followed by on one and ragley tied for last place

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    The 456C is a good choice. I've thought about buying one to shed a few more lbs from my rig, but I just don't think it's worth it and I've been happy with my Pig. Mine is at the point where I can't really get it lighter without sacrificing durability or features I want (dropper post, chain guide) unless I get a lighter frame. I never weighed the Pig frame but I'm guessing it's around 6 lbs so the 456C should be good for a 2-2.5lb drop, but then I'd need a new dropper post, headset, etc and it's not worth it for me.

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    Re: All mountain Hardtail, Which frame to consider?

    I went from a 456 summer season to a 456c amd hated it , the small amount of flex of the steel frame makes a huge difference

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    Rockingthecas: thats exactly what im afraid i will do. Im quite happy with the pig. I can really push it, and i have no problems following most of FS bikes.
    Altough, a harsher frame, will that make my fingers cramp more easily?

    I usually ride under 5 hours trips. Normally 3hours. I have no problems with cramping fingers on my current pig, so i think i can endure small cramps in my fingers the 456c might give me?
    If im still as exited about the 456c after 10 days i will order one. Some RubberQueen or Hans Dampf tyres, higher rise handlebars, a 70mm stem and a selle italia 180g seat.
    Then its just good luck and hope i like it.

    I can actually offer some speed downhill to gain some speed uphill.

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    the new version is coming out soon.
    not sure what the changes will be, might not be worth the wait.

    456 evo

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    Does anybody now how soon? The new frame looks alot better!

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    Paradox


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    Can check out Shan by Production-privee and also Cotic BFe

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    "456 EVO-II is coming in 6 weeks"

    That is what i was told 3 weeks ago by on one.

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    Ouh, i might order one if the price is reasonable. Looks stunning compared to the old


    Shan looks real nice. Looks abit more slack than i want though?
    Banshee just looks too low and oldschool.

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    Where do you see pics of the 456 evo-II?

    Only thing thats different is seat tube dia, and i think a tapered head tube?

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    They got a couple of shots here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skorp View Post
    Hi guys!



    My Ragley Blue pig '10 is starting to get som wear.. The paint is cracking severly around the brake mounts. So i consider to find something else before it breaks. Im super happy with the Ragley. Super fast downhill and really fun up the hills aswell.
    Im thinking something ligher if possible. A sub 2kg alloy frame?
    Is alloy more harsh compared to steel? ( only had alloy FS bikes before )
    What is out there? Im considering a Ragley Marley or a new Blue pig, other than that, i don't know of any similar bikes.

    Cheers
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    agree! can you get that in America?

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    That PP frame is pretty awesome.

    I still don't see pics of the 456 evoII on the Instagram link above, all I see is a FS bike, and the carbon 456.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lokomonkey View Post
    agree! can you get that in America?
    sorry don't know...I'm italian and Live in Italy,but I think so

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    They just posted brand new pictures of the evo2 this morning!
    Photo by ononebikes • Instagram
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    Canfield bro's yelli screamy. built stout, can handle 2.4" rubber in the back, short chainstays, slack front end, can easily handle 140mm fork. Aluminum but built stout so certainly should be lighter than what you have now but plenty strong. here is mine

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    Quote Originally Posted by metalray View Post
    They just posted brand new pictures of the evo2 this morning!
    Photo by ononebikes • Instagram

    Im i reading right. They used an old seat stay design done by brant in 1997. I understand brant was the original desiner but doesnt he design for ragley now? Just seems un ethical

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes View Post
    The 456 ti is definitely on my list. Anyone here ride a ti hardtail (AM, but XC too).. I'm curious if it's more forgiving than aluminum.
    Your wallet might not forgive you

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    If Canfield made a yelli screamy 26er, I'd buy that frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    Im i reading right. They used an old seat stay design done by brant in 1997. I understand brant was the original desiner but doesnt he design for ragley now? Just seems un ethical
    I would say that it is not unethical. They even refered to the design being used by Fat Chance (an old now defunct, but very nice brand). I figure if the company that used it is now out of business (for this company for more than a decade) its pretty much fair game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sir_crackien View Post
    I would say that it is not unethical. They even refered to the design being used by Fat Chance (an old now defunct, but very nice brand). I figure if the company that used it is now out of business (for this company for more than a decade) its pretty much fair game.
    Id say its a bad move to use old work from somone that used to work for you... if somone is hot for that particular designer why not just go to ragley.... on one should be looking forward with new ideas not rehashing stuff from a guy that used to work for them...

    I have an on one scandal and i love it.

    Im definitly not in shock that a company did somthing un ethical... but i was just qondering how others saw it

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    Re: All mountain Hardtail, Which frame to consider?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    Id say its a bad move to use old work from somone that used to work for you... if somone is hot for that particular designer why not just go to ragley.... on one should be looking forward with new ideas not rehashing stuff from a guy that used to work for them...

    I have an on one scandal and i love it.

    Im definitly not in shock that a company did somthing un ethical... but i was just qondering how others saw it
    he worked FOR them so ultimately its their design and they aren't doing anything illegal or unethical

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    Who cares?

    Don't like the frame design? Do not buy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grip View Post
    Who cares?

    Don't like the frame design? Do not buy it.
    This is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    Im i reading right. They used an old seat stay design done by brant in 1997. I understand brant was the original desiner but doesnt he design for ragley now? Just seems un ethical
    You are reading wrong.

    I left On-One to do Ragley, I came back to On-One. I owned a Fat Chance Yo Eddy for a while. The new chainstay on the 456 Evo2 is inspired by that design.

    The seatstays on the Ragley are inspired by the Yo Eddy seatstays too, though I copied that design first on the Planet X Compo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grip View Post
    Who cares?

    Don't like the frame design? Do not buy it.
    Indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    You are reading wrong.

    I left On-One to do Ragley, I came back to On-One. I owned a Fat Chance Yo Eddy for a while. The new chainstay on the 456 Evo2 is inspired by that design.

    The seatstays on the Ragley are inspired by the Yo Eddy seatstays too, though I copied that design first on the Planet X Compo.
    Nice !

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    Oooh new 456s, Steel Evo II and a Carbon Evo, that'll be nice. More excited/interested by the Codeine being on it's way to production though, maybe it'll beat the El Guapo 29 to market?

    Quote Originally Posted by lokomonkey View Post
    agree! can you get that in America?
    Yes, if you ask them they'll ship you one. I don't think there's an importer as PP mostly do direct sales.

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    i almost pulled the trigger on the shan, but if you notice the mesh inlay in the HT, this WILL allow water in. its only mesh with no backer, very bad IMO. i ended up getting a nimble 9, which i know is apples to oranges as you want a 26er, but it just rips especially with a 16.25 chain stay.

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    I saw that mesh on the shan too, my solution was "just slap a sticker over it"


    Im in line for the 456 evo-II....ahhem brant, open pre order's!

    Im excited to start my build!

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    surge is where its at... loads of balance on this thing

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    Just built up a Scandal frame for my daughter yesterday. Very impressed with the quality of the frame and the attention to detail of the On-One staff who took the time to install the headset I bought with it. The BB was also nicely chased and faced ready for the crank to be installed. I have a fork on the bike that can be adjusted between 102-100-80 mm. I have it at 120 right now trying to figure out the down side. It seems to handle well at 120 but the on-one site specifically say not to run any fork greater the 100mm. Only thing I can figure is added stress at the head tube. I plan to drop the fork to 100 before we hit the trails, but wouldn't mind an explanation since we have the designer subscribed to this thread.;-)

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