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    Hey I was needing some input. I'm going to have an AM hardtail built for trails and some urban riding. I don't want a dj bike though because I'm going to to have a rack on it and double it as my patrol bike for my work. My main problem is finding some good specs for a frame. I'm not sure if I want to run 140 or 160 forks. Can anyone help with a clear decison on this? Or point me in the right direction

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    I'm a fan of the Commencal Ramones. Might be a little slacker than what you were looking for, head angle is 66*, but It looks like a burly bike. I think, that they're spec'd with a 160mm fork.

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    I looked at chumba hx1 and brodie hole shot for 140mm forks. I haven't seen any 160mm though.

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    Ragley Blue Pig.

    Steel AM Hardtail of choice... Bomber on descents, sit and spin for climbs. If you wanna go cheaper you could always track down an On-One Summer Season... but the guy who designed all these bikes is the same guy and he says the Blue Pig is the way to go. Best of all worlds.

    Being a fan of hardtails, I would never go aluminum. It's just not worth it. But I haven't tried carbon. Steel is by far the best material for hardtails.

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    I've got a Transition Trans AM that I love. Steel is definitely the way to go with an AM HT. I run mine with a 150mm fork and it bombs down the same rocky runs I hit with my full sus. They're nice, sturdy, and low maintenance. Kinda like the perfect woman would be .

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    id check out Transition Trans AM, Ragley Blue Pig, On One 456 and Evil Sovereign.

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    I honestly prefer the Jamis Komodo b/c it has a longer ETT compared to the others. You can run a shorter stem. (which I love) It has a rifled top tube so you can slam it lower than the Ragley / TransAm / OnOne. More junk clearance. (and it looks nicer)

    I've been abusing mine for 4-5yrs now and it keeps coming back for more.

    Just my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McCracka View Post
    I looked at chumba hx1 and brodie hole shot for 140mm forks. I haven't seen any 160mm though.
    Make sure you do some reading on the Chumba forum before choosing the HX1

    http://forums.mtbr.com/chumba-racing...e227d19abc80a5
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    Would getting a titanium version of one of these frames be worth it? I looked at carver bikes recreating one of these. Im leaning towards the TransAm.

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    Would getting a titanium version of one of these frames be worth it? I looked at carver bikes recreating one of these. Im leaning towards the TransAm.

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    Cove Stiffee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McCracka View Post
    Would getting a titanium version of one of these frames be worth it? I looked at carver bikes recreating one of these. Im leaning towards the TransAm.
    maybe. but get a 30.9mm post and a 44mm headtube for sure. leaves running a dropper seatpost and angleset as a future upgrade if you want a slacker bike. the new trans am has those options. it's hard to justify ti prices when things constantly evolve. the new trans am hits the mark at a decent price. paying large cash for a ti frame means you need to hold onto it for a while to make the investment worth it. i personally like to change things up every year or two. so for me ti isn't worth the extra cost. a good steel frame rides as well as a ti frame at a much lower price. if i was planning on keeping it for 5 or more years then i light look at ti but i've yet to keep any frame that long.

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    I love the TransAM, but being on tight budget I went with the on-one 456. After reading everything I could find on the web, think I made the right decision.

    About Ti: If you plan to have this bike forever, and maybe inherit it to your kids, go ahead.

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    I've been very pleased with my Ti 456.

    On-One Ti 456 Frame £799.99

    It even has a rack mounts! If you're a tall guy, I'd recommend a 160mm fork. My seat is pretty high (35" inseam) and this tends to even things up.

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    I looked for an On-One but cant find any in stock. what is the wait time looking at for an On-One?

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    On-One and Titus USA Store — Welcome

    Go get a 456 non Ti. I might be getting the Summer Season.
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    I think ill be getting the TransAm and run a 160mm fork. looks like the fit for me

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    don't know how easy they would be to get but have you checked out Stanton Bikes' Slackline from the UK? I think it runs in the Tr. price range. He uses 853 tubes and has a ti frame in the works too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McCracka View Post
    I think ill be getting the TransAm and run a 160mm fork. looks like the fit for me
    That's what I'm riding at the moment. And while it's an awesome bike, I should have started with a 29er AMHT platform.

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    that is sick, im going to build up similar to that. Are you still able to climb on that well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by McCracka View Post
    that is sick, im going to build up similar to that. Are you still able to climb on that well?
    Decent climber with a 70mm stem. Long gone is that 50mm.
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    That TA is BadA$$!!! Rockin a 456 with 120mm Zoc right now but would definitley benefit from the 20 extra mm.

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    I'm a fan of the Santa Cruz Chameleon but other excellent alternates are those above.. Ragley Blue Pig, TransAM, etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by drblauston View Post
    I'm a fan of the Santa Cruz Chameleon but other excellent alternates are those above.. Ragley Blue Pig, TransAM, etc
    But I would say the generation right before the EBB, IIRC it had a slightly better geometry too.
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    Another vote for the TransAM. I wasn't sure what I had gotten myself into after the first ride. By the 2nd ride I was missing my Giant Trance. But by the third ride I was in love and every ride since then has been better and better and I love it a little more. It is fast, smooth, flickable, and sturdy as all hell. I'll post pics of it when Im done with the build. Right now Im still waiting on the cable bosses so I can ditch the zipties and put my front derailleur cable on.

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    The 2011 Rockhopper on the right is AM hard tail fun. 2x9
    Fox Vanilla 150mm fork works out perfectly on it too...
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    Quote Originally Posted by drblauston View Post
    I'm a fan of the Santa Cruz Chameleon but other excellent alternates are those above.. Ragley Blue Pig, TransAM, etc
    Just got a lizard myself...so far, so good, though the 50mm stem does not help climbing.

    I knew it would be a rougher ride coming from a Blur LT2, but I wasn't expecting how much more effort technical climbs would be...I must have gotten lazy
    I think it is more of the VVP being effective at clawing for traction than a knock on the Chameleon.


    And me being lazy...

    Can't wait to go to the pump track and eventually Ray's or CranX when it opens.

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    Also looking at buying a hard tail for trail / AM use, have been looking at a 29er transam... based on what's been said in this thread so far sounds like it would be a good choice. I do a lot of technical climbing as well so probably wouldnt go any bigger than a 140 fork, maybe even a 120 would suffice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by djdj View Post
    Also looking at buying a hard tail for trail / AM use, have been looking at a 29er transam... based on what's been said in this thread so far sounds like it would be a good choice. I do a lot of technical climbing as well so probably wouldnt go any bigger than a 140 fork, maybe even a 120 would suffice?
    The 29er TransAM was designed for a 120mm fork. They said with a 140 fork it would ride similar to the 26er TransAM with a 160mm fork. Where would you even find a single crown 29er fork that is more than 140mm?
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    ah thanks for that useful piece of info euro, in that case a 120 mm fork will probably be more than enough for me.

    Have seen some 150 mm single crown 29er forks about.

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    OP, if you want a bike that can fit a rack on it (I'm assuming rear rack) then I believe the On-One Inbred 456 is the way to go. I'm not positive, but I think most of the other bikes recommended don't have the eyelets for attaching a rear rack. Just a thought, since you specifically stated that you wanted to put a rack on it, and because I have a Summer Season myself.

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    Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but is there a steel AM hardtail out there that can handle a 160mm fork (545mm a/c) for about $200-400 w/ a 66-67 degree HA? I'm looking at the On-One 456 EVO, but it says "150mm MAX", plus the planet x website that sells them doesn't haven't it in my size (16").

    It looks like several other well-regarded hardtails are discontinued (e.g., Blue Pig, etc.). I'd just like to buy some thing like the 456 Evo and move everything over from my 6" AM FS bike.

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    This is what I have...... It's currently my only ride and it does everything I need it to..... The 2013 Kona Shred Video - Pinkbike

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    My bad didn't realize this was a old thread....... I still like the video I posted though. Lol

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