• 11-21-2012
    shugarbear
    All mountain hard tail guys... rolling 26, 27.5 or 29 this year?
    what direction are you guys going this year with the three wheel sizes... seems like its dominated by 26? what are your thoughts.
  • 11-21-2012
    dump
    Same, 26". Very happy with this setup.
  • 11-21-2012
    GeePhroh
    They can take my 26" Chromag Samurai from me when they pry it from my cold dead hands.
  • 11-21-2012
    jeffw-13
    29 for me. Yelli Screamy
  • 11-21-2012
    lubes17319
    Same, 29". Very happy with this setup.
    They can take my 29" Kona Honzo from me when they pry it from my cold dead hands.
  • 11-21-2012
    thorkild
    Doing up a custom ti 29 SS trail/am this year w/ geo along lines of chromag surface. I might think about 27.5.
  • 11-21-2012
    FM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GeePhroh View Post
    They can take my 26" Chromag Samurai from me when they pry it from my cold dead hands.

    I'm thinking about trying some 27.5"s on my 26" Curtlo. By all accounts 650x2.3's will clear fine, raise the BB 1/2" or less. Dropping the fork 20mm will bring the BB back down 1/4" and steepen the head angle slightly, which is a good thing with bigger wheels. Geometry is nearly identical to the chromag, so it's an option for you....nice to have options!
  • 11-21-2012
    hitechredneck
    29 canfield nimble 9 for me.

    Please dont steal my bike after I die, even if my hands are cold. Just bury me with it.
  • 11-21-2012
    Fix the Spade
    26inches, all the way until my ankles explode.

    I didn't get into mountain biking to make it more comfortable, nor have I ever found a bike more fun to ride fast than a hard tail 26er with big brakes and good tyres.
  • 11-21-2012
    WVJon75
    I'm happy with my Nimble 9 as well. So 29" for me.
  • 11-21-2012
    Map204
    SC Chameleon. 26" though I'd love to switch to a Banshee Paradox or Canfield Yelli Screamy 29r someday.
  • 11-21-2012
    eurospek
    29er all the way.

    Especially after 2 26ers (TransAm and 456 SS), I'm never going back to clown wheels again.
  • 11-21-2012
    DimitrisCSD
    Sticking with my 26" evil sovereign until the frame breaks in half! If that ever happens I'll rethink about it...
  • 11-21-2012
    dump
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DimitrisCSD View Post
    Sticking with my 26" evil sovereign until the frame breaks in half! If that ever happens I'll rethink about it...

    If you ever get the itch, the sovereign can take 650b wheels, with decent geometry too.
  • 11-21-2012
    arkon11
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    29er all the way.

    Especially after 2 26ers (TransAm and 456 SS), I'm never going back to clown wheels again.

    I think you got the joke wrong. 29er's are clown bikes.
  • 11-21-2012
    tangaroo
    Never is a bold word. I love my 26 in transAM. The honzo appeals to me as well. Too many bikes now. Damn you bike industry, just take my money and shut up!
  • 11-21-2012
    shugarbear
    so for the most part... 26 and 29ers...
  • 11-22-2012
    playdead
    wagon wheels
  • 11-22-2012
    DimitrisCSD
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dump View Post
    If you ever get the itch, the sovereign can take 650b wheels, with decent geometry too.

    Yes I'm aware and it sounds interesting as a project. However my 2012 revelation won't accept a 650b wheel. Thus I don't think I'd be willing to pay for a new fork just to try that out...

    You never know what will happen in the future though :)
  • 11-22-2012
    arkon11
    I'll be running 26" on all my bikes as usual.
  • 11-22-2012
    bad news
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by arkon11 View Post
    I think you got the joke wrong. 29er's are clown bikes.

    The dude's like eleven feet tall or something, so he's preferential to bigger wheels.


    Is anyone even making a production all mountain 650b specific frame yet?

    I'm considering a return to a 26" AM hardtail, despite swearing I would try a 29er next :madman:
  • 11-22-2012
    eurospek
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by arkon11 View Post
    I think you got the joke wrong. 29er's are clown bikes.

    I think I have it right.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bad news View Post
    The dude's like eleven feet tall or something, so he's preferential to bigger wheels.

    Is anyone even making a production all mountain 650b specific frame yet?

    I'm considering a return to a 26" AM hardtail, despite swearing I would try a 29er next :madman:

    6'4" actually.

    This is what I felt like on my previous bikes:



    As for a production 650B, Chromag is making a Samurai 650B and so is 2Souls Cycles, the 650Bee Studie.


  • 11-22-2012
    DimitrisCSD
    it's terrifying how much similar to a Sovereign that 2souls is...
  • 11-22-2012
    delihustler
    26" till I die
  • 11-22-2012
    Fix the Spade
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    6'4" actually.

    This is what I felt like on my previous bikes:

    Pff, midget!

    You really should save up and get a custom frame, even keeping 26in wheels it solved the 'riding bent double on top of a gate' feeling I got from XL frames. You could sell me the Honzo frame then...
  • 11-22-2012
    LSV2NV
    29er fur sure
  • 11-22-2012
    beebee5
    26 club!
    made a logo for delihustler


  • 11-22-2012
    eurospek
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fix the Spade View Post
    Pff, midget!

    You really should save up and get a custom frame, even keeping 26in wheels it solved the 'riding bent double on top of a gate' feeling I got from XL frames. You could sell me the Honzo frame then...

    I really thought about going with your custom builder, Stout Bikes, and replicating a slightly bigger TransAM 26er frame last season when mine ended up with a cracked seat tube, especially since his pricing was great, but I started stockpiling 29er parts before any crack even developed. I should have started with a 29er from the get-go.

    In all honesty, I wouldn't really change a thing from my Kona Honzo's geometry (and frame design as well) if I was going custom today. If I was really nit picking, maybe more rear chainstay clearance for something fatter than a 2.25 Ardent, although people are running them with 2.4 or even Hans Dampf, but limited clearance. But that's the price you pay for having the shortest CS of any production All-Mountain hardtail frame. And super stoked about it not being able to run a front derailleur as well, it has made me a much stronger rider, where in the TransAM, I was more of a spinner all day long.

    If anything happened to my Honzo, I would without a doubt purchase another 2013 XL frameset. It's such a great bike and value IMO, and looks great as well. Decent paint job (better than my Transition or On-One) and decent welds as well. What more could you ask for?

    And they hit it out of the ballpark with the geometry, who knew I would be so comfortable on a 26" ETT and 50mm stem, 66.5ish HA, 74.5 SA. It may sound long and big (what I thought as well when I was building it), but the first ride for me, there's no going back to anything smaller (or similar to my previous 26er geometries). Even with these numbers, it's still an aggresive up right position you'd expect from an All-Mountain frame, and not super stretched XC position. What I love most about the 29er is being able to pick much more aggressive lines, drop my Reverb, and just sail through gnarly sections whereas before the TransAM would get caught up on bigger logs, roots, rocks etc. Another attribute I love now is being able to ride much steeper stuff and jumps without ever having the feeling of OTB and eating sh!t (no matter what stem length I had on the TransAM, this was a constant feeling I had before with it).

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DimitrisCSD View Post
    it's terrifying how much similar to a Sovereign that 2souls is...

    Similar to the Transition TransAM as well. Only thing, 2Souls doesn't use gussets on the top tube or down tube, they use super fancy tubing eliminating them completely.

    I'm still lusting after their 29er 2Souls QH frame, but at three times the cost of a Honzo frame, with almost the exact same geometry, I'm just not there yet financially. :D
  • 11-22-2012
    bad news
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    I think I have it right.


    6'4" actually.

    This is what I felt like on my previous bikes:

    Dude it's not the bike, it's those clothes and shoes that are killing you.

    Quote:

    As for a production 650B, Chromag is making a Samurai 650B and so is 2Souls Cycles, the 650Bee Studie.
    Cool, thanks.
  • 11-23-2012
    DimitrisCSD
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Similar to the Transition TransAM as well. Only thing, 2Souls doesn't use gussets on the top tube or down tube, they use super fancy tubing eliminating them completely.

    I'm still lusting after their 29er 2Souls QH frame, but at three times the cost of a Honzo frame, with almost the exact same geometry, I'm just not there yet financially. :D

    The TransAm doesn't have adjustable dropouts though
  • 11-23-2012
    CannondaleF9
    Is anyone even making a production all mountain 650b specific frame yet? [/QUOTE]

    Scott has a Genius 700 series out this year. I have heard that they are wicked fast!
  • 11-23-2012
    hitechredneck
    Just picking on you here but...........................

    Canfield Nimple nine
    Chain Stay Length 16.25-16.9″

    Kona Honzo
    Chain Stay Length- 16.3"

    .05" matters, ask my ex girlfriend haha
  • 11-23-2012
    eurospek
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bad news View Post
    Dude it's not the bike, it's those clothes and shoes that are killing you.

    You know how grippy those shoes are?!?!!?!? :D
  • 11-23-2012
    eurospek
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    Just picking on you here but...........................

    Canfield Nimple nine
    Chain Stay Length 16.25-16.9″

    Kona Honzo
    Chain Stay Length- 16.3"

    .05" matters, ask my ex girlfriend haha

    Duly noted, BUT I never cross shopped with the Nimble9. While the geometry may be there, it lacks other important AM features I was looking for, most importantly a 44mm headtube and dropper post friendly sized seat tube, its 27.2mm size is limited to what, only one dropper post?
  • 11-23-2012
    boostin
    Both my all mountain hardtails are 26"
  • 11-23-2012
    reformed roadie
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eurospek View Post

    As for a production 650B, Chromag is making a Samurai 650B and so is 2Souls Cycles, the 650Bee Studie.



    Damn, those are both nice...

    I have spent time on all three sizes and prefer 650b.
    That said, I just got done having a blast on my 26" Chameleon. :thumbsup:

    There is no wrong answer. Hell, I've run 650b front and 26" rear, as well as 29 front and 650b rear. I used to ride moto enduros, so it seems perfectly natural to me.
  • 11-23-2012
    bigfruits
    26" on my trail bike but open minded enough to want to test ride a 650b.
    29" wheels are not for me at 5'10".
  • 11-24-2012
    ihaveagibsonsg
    I have a new lyrik that came off my enduro and I've been thinking about building up a light am ht I can use in xc races too. It fits a 650b front wheel but I think a 29er will be the better racer. Are there any 650b frames out there that are 66-67 degree hta? Maybe I should stick to the 26" hoops. Soon theyre going to be the next cool thing!!!!!
  • 11-24-2012
    StiHacka
    On one 456C 650b here.
  • 11-24-2012
    zahgurim
    I'm sticking with 26".
  • 11-25-2012
    Dougie
    If I was going to pick up a hardtail for trail-riding I'd also look at the Jamis Dragon 650b. Reynolds 853 steel is pretty dope with a 5" fork and slack head angle. It's got a decent spec as well:

  • 11-25-2012
    eurospek
    ^ All-Mountain that is not. The stem's longer than the fork's travel. ;)
  • 11-25-2012
    delihustler
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by beebee5 View Post
    26 club!
    made a logo for delihustler



    Cheers, they look really cool :thumbsup:
  • 11-25-2012
    Silly Man
    1 Attachment(s)
    Ride what gives you the biggest grin...
    Tallboy LTc now, Nomad before.

    5'5" on clown wheels but I'll let the bike do the talking.

    Sylvain
  • 11-25-2012
    bdjohnson121
    I'm thinking about picking up a Honzo this winter, still debating on whether to build one up or go with stock for now.
  • 11-25-2012
    Map204
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bdjohnson121 View Post
    I'm thinking about picking up a Honzo this winter, still debating on whether to build one up or go with stock for now.

    build one up! It's more fun.
  • 11-25-2012
    Dougie
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    ^ All-Mountain that is not. The stem's longer than the fork's travel. ;)

    Forgive me. I forgot that not everyone has the slightest mechanical intuition that's required to remove a stock stem and replace it with something more appropriate for the intended use.

    And, for what it's worth, the stem is not longer than the travel of the fork.
  • 11-25-2012
    eurospek
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bdjohnson121 View Post
    I'm thinking about picking up a Honzo this winter, still debating on whether to build one up or go with stock for now.

    The 2013 complete spec is definitely an improvement over 2012 and you'd be hard to build it cheaper. BUT as mentioned, definitely build it from the frame up, way more fun and you get exactly what you want.
  • 11-25-2012
    Rtony40
    still have plenty of tread on my 26's
  • 11-25-2012
    thorkild
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    ^ All-Mountain that is not. The stem's longer than the fork's travel. ;)

    Hmmm, geo is roughly the same as the Honzo that you've promoted so much. Stems are replaceable.
  • 11-25-2012
    eurospek
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by thorkild View Post
    Hmmm, geo is roughly the same as the Honzo that you continually rave about for AM performance despite its extreme portliness. Stems are replaceable.

    Frame's weight on par with everything else in the segment that's in steel. Its portliness comes from the heavy stock build. Geo's similar, but not quite. Steeper SA on the Honzo, and CS lengths about .5 inch shorter as well. Plus it was designed all around short stems (40-60mm), the Jamis comes stock with 70mm on the 13" to a 110mm stem on the 21". Definitely All-Mountain ready. ;)
  • 11-26-2012
    lubes17319
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Duly noted, BUT I never cross shopped with the Nimble9. While the geometry may be there, it lacks other important AM features I was looking for, most importantly a 44mm headtube and dropper post friendly sized seat tube, its 27.2mm size is limited to what, only one dropper post?

    ... If I was really nit picking, maybe more rear chainstay clearance for something fatter than a 2.25 Ardent, although people are running them with 2.4 or even Hans Dampf, but limited clearance. But that's the price you pay for having the shortest CS of any production All-Mountain hardtail frame...

    Same reasons I went Honzo over N9, but...
    -27.2 droppers are avilable from both GD & KS
    -I'm running Dissent 2.5" front & rear, with CS length at 16.3" right now. (I like it shorter in my rear end) It fits, but if there is the slightest amount of wobble, some rubbage will occur.
  • 11-26-2012
    capslayer
    26 has always been just right.
  • 12-01-2012
    Sheepo5669
    I would consider 650 or 29 but there are poor tire choices at this point at >2.35mm width
  • 12-01-2012
    skidad
    Kona is gonna have the 650B Explosif which is supposed to be similar to the Honzo. Should be available early 2013.

    Have yet to be able to get any solid geometry #'s out of Kona yet but I keep trying.
  • 12-01-2012
    arkon11
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    ^ All-Mountain that is not. The stem's longer than the fork's travel. ;)

    That's still more than enough for most of the stuff "all mountain" hardtails ride. Neat looking bike too.
  • 12-03-2012
    VTSession
    I'm drinking the Kool Aid and probably getting a 29er all mountain hardtail. Depending on availability it will be a TransAM, Nimble 9, Yel-Screamy or Paradox. Gotta make a decision soon.
  • 12-03-2012
    tangaroo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by VTSession View Post
    I'm drinking the Kool Aid and probably getting a 29er all mountain hardtail. Depending on availability it will be a TransAM, Nimble 9, Yel-Screamy or Paradox. Gotta make a decision soon.

    Honzo! I don't plan on building a 29er anytime in my distant future, but thats really the only 29er that has ever appealed to me. All the other frames look as though they were modified to fit the larger hoops. The Honzo just looks killer IMO.
  • 12-03-2012
    Nail Every Trail
    Making the transition to 29er HT next summer.

    Just bought the frame, wheels, fork. Banshee Paradox, SR Charger Pro wheelset, Manitou Tower Pro 120mm fork.

    I'll ride my 26er full suspension for 1 more season, it's still quite decent. I'll beat it up some more until I'm done building up the Paradox.

    Other 29ers considered: Canfield Yelli, Chromag Rootdown, Diamondback Mason in hardtail. Thought about trying a Niner RIP,SC tallboy, or Salsa Horsethief. But went with the hard tail to try something different for a while.
  • 12-04-2012
    ihaveagibsonsg
    I'm torn on if I should get a 29er or a 26er HT. I love the pop and handling of the 26" but the 29er is so much smoother overall its hard to overlook. I already got a big squishy 26" bike so the 29er would fit in nicely. I think I just need both, I'd regret it if I got one or the other. There's a fully built 2012 transam for $1000, I think I'll get it.
  • 12-04-2012
    Sheepo5669
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ihaveagibsonsg View Post
    I'm torn on if I should get a 29er or a 26er HT. I love the pop and handling of the 26" but the 29er is so much smoother overall its hard to overlook. I already got a big squishy 26" bike so the 29er would fit in nicely. I think I just need both, I'd regret it if I got one or the other. There's a fully built 2012 transam for $1000, I think I'll get it.


    That one on ebay? Im watching it too. Its got some cheap wheels and brakes and I dont think im gonna bid.

    I messaged him and I also think he is part retarded. :crazy: Keep that in mind when purchasing.
  • 12-06-2012
    Ninja Rider
    Before my 29er Hardtail cracked I loved the bike especially for road and ground control,

    But in my opinion they cant replace or compete with the agileness of a 26er especially on tight turns.
  • 12-07-2012
    bdjohnson121
    Just put in an order for a Honzo at the lbs. Should be here next week, pretty stoked. Elected to just buy the whole bike rather than build.
  • 12-07-2012
    eurospek
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bdjohnson121 View Post
    Just put in an order for a Honzo at the lbs. Should be here next week, pretty stoked. Elected to just buy the whole bike rather than build.

    Where's the fun in that? :D
  • 12-08-2012
    dwt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Where's the fun in that? :D

    Upgrading later all the parts you compromised on buying a built bike :D
  • 12-08-2012
    Singlespeed McGee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lubes17319 View Post
    Same, 29". Very happy with this setup.
    They can take my 29" Kona Honzo from me when they pry it from my cold dead hands.

    Same here, the more I ride mine the more I love it. I don't think I'll ever go back to 26" for a hardtail. And as far as weight goes, it feels much lighter than it is when actually out riding.
  • 12-09-2012
    aidz-bullit
    still 26" and steel..for an AM hardtail.
  • 12-09-2012
    eurospek
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Singlespeed McGee View Post
    Same here, the more I ride mine the more I love it. I don't think I'll ever go back to 26" for a hardtail. And as far as weight goes, it feels much lighter than it is when actually out riding.

    I agree with all those points. Although I'd love to get my Honzo to 30 lbs, from just shy over 31, but there's nothing really I'd change without having to spend a huge chunk of change. Definitely rides like it's under 30 lbs. :thumbsup:
  • 12-09-2012
    Singlespeed McGee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    I agree with all those points. Although I'd love to get my Honzo to 30 lbs, from just shy over 31, but there's nothing really I'd change without having to spend a huge chunk of change. Definitely rides like it's under 30 lbs. :thumbsup:

    I've got mine down to just under 29 lbs (I think, been a while since I've weighed it) but I'm a skinny guy, haha. I do have a Thomson dropper post and carbon bar, along with some carbon wheels on my list of things to get though :thumbsup:
  • 12-10-2012
    zoro
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eurospek View Post



    Weagle must be laughing hard somewhere on his island... So many hardtails look like carbon copies of the original Evil Sov. Especially this one. I mean...

    And to think the bike was designed about a decade ago...
  • 01-11-2016
    3names
    So the thread is from 2012 lot has changed from then, so let see what will you be riding in 2016.

    Pick one 26/27.5/29/27.5+/29+ and tell us why. Just so we get more info.
  • 01-11-2016
    06HokieMTB
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 3names View Post
    Pick one 26/27.5/29/27.5+/29+ and tell us why. Just so we get more info.

    Well... one bike, 2 wheel sizes.

    Surly Instigator 2.0
    4130 cromo
    Long ETT (24.6")
    16.4" chainstays
    Decently slack (66.5* with 140 fork)
    12x142

    Running 26+ and 650b wheelsets

    Love it
  • 01-11-2016
    CannondaleF9
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 3names View Post
    So the thread is from 2012 lot has changed from then, so let see what will you be riding in 2016.

    Pick one 26/27.5/29/27.5+/29+ and tell us why. Just so we get more info.

    29er, Trek Cobia: yes it isn't an All Mountain bike, but it is XC set up with a 785mm bar, 60mm stem, 2.35/2.25 tires, Inferno 27 rims, and a Shimano Zee crank wit hXT drivetrain. This thing is tough and fast.

    My next bike will be a 29er.. unless it's a fatbike I won't buy anything else.
  • 01-11-2016
    scottzg
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 3names View Post
    So the thread is from 2012 lot has changed from then, so let see what will you be riding in 2016.

    Pick one 26/27.5/29/27.5+/29+ and tell us why. Just so we get more info.

    26- another glorious year on my 456evo. It ain't broke, 27.5 is the same thing, and although i'm gonna be demoing 29ers for my next LTHT, 29'er geo was crap when i bought the 456.
  • 01-11-2016
    kragu
    Going to be building up a 2016 Nimble 9, running it 29 and 27.5+.

    Wanted a bike on the steeper side to compliment my 6" 66.5˚/65.5˚ FS bike, but not a pure XC steed. So many bikes are on the slacker side, it was a little hard to find a steel "trail" bike. 29" because I have a solid set of wheels to build the bike around, B+ because why the hell not?
  • 01-12-2016
    patrick2cents
    26, which I just bought, but I'm waiting to see what 2016 holds for 26+... I could be convinced that way depending on how they feel. At least it would be sweet for wide rim availability.

    the why: I ride east coast trails with a lot of slow-tech, steep jumps, sharp sharp sharp turns and log-overs that are a blast to ride on what amounts to a big bmx bike (though a lot slacker HT angle). It really is driven by my local terrain and how I like to have fun on the trails.
  • 01-12-2016
    LaXCarp
    I'm building up a 27.5 hardtail. 2016 NS eccentric
  • 01-12-2016
    Fix the Spade
    Same bike I was riding in 2012, so a 26er with 9 gears, in fact the spec hasn't even changed since 2012, it's a great bike.
  • 01-12-2016
    noot
    2012 I was on a Steel Honzo 29er SS.

    2016 I'll be on a Ti Honzo 29 SS (almost "+" 29er).
  • 01-12-2016
    Carl Mega
    Trying out 26+. Hope I like it...think it's promising.
  • 01-12-2016
    scottzg
    I'm surprised all you guys that have been around a while are doing the + thing. Granted it was only a demo, but my time on a 650b+ reminded me why i didn't like high volume light tires years ago- i couldn't get them to be plush and tractiony and not bottom at speed at the same air pressure. For me, heavier casings are the ticket for low pressure grip, not air volume. I hope it works better for you guys!
  • 01-13-2016
    Carl Mega
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by scottzg View Post
    I'm surprised all you guys that have been around a while are doing the + thing.

    I feel ya. In fairness, it's a safe tryout. Was planning a 27.5 regular build but the 26+ rims/tires came for free. If it is teh suck - right back to regular 27.5 w/ roughly the same geo. Got me a lot of bikes so the niche market keeps it sort of fresh. Each build starts with some sort of stupid vision or harebrained idea - "What if I....?".
  • 01-13-2016
    noot
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by scottzg View Post
    I'm surprised all you guys that have been around a while are doing the + thing. Granted it was only a demo, but my time on a 650b+ reminded me why i didn't like high volume light tires years ago- i couldn't get them to be plush and tractiony and not bottom at speed at the same air pressure. For me, heavier casings are the ticket for low pressure grip, not air volume. I hope it works better for you guys!

    I have yet to ride +. I did pick up 35mm IW rims, so those with 2.35in tires will be "large" by 2012 standards. Whether I go true + depends on my fork & frame clearance which I do not have in-hand yet. And then, probably just for the winter.
  • 01-13-2016
    06HokieMTB
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by scottzg View Post
    I'm surprised all you guys that have been around a while are doing the + thing. Granted it was only a demo, but my time on a 650b+ reminded me why i didn't like high volume light tires years ago- i couldn't get them to be plush and tractiony and not bottom at speed at the same air pressure. For me, heavier casings are the ticket for low pressure grip, not air volume. I hope it works better for you guys!

    I demo'd a Salsa Pony Rustler and hated it.

    I built up a WTB Scraper i45 and put a 3.0" Panaracer FBN B+ tire on the front of my old Mason... and hated it.

    Steering was numb, heavy and imprecise. The Scraper i45 weighs close to what some of the new, tubeless ready 70-75mm (internal) fat bike rims weigh. The tough B+ tires are approaching fat bike tire weights.

    Point of my ramblings? I decided if I'm gonna go fat, I want a 4" tire (or more).

    So then, you might ask, 'why do you have 26+ on your Instigator?'... well, same reason as Carl.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Carl Mega View Post
    I feel ya. In fairness, it's a safe tryout. Was planning a 27.5 regular build but the 26+ rims/tires came for free.

    Right now I use 26+ for snow rides. Have no intention to run them on dirt.
  • 01-14-2016
    Rider719
    27.5 firm believer here, every bike has a purpose tho, if i bought a DH bike now it would be a 26 for its cheaper and has more abundant parts. All mtn i love my 27.5, very nible AND pretty dam effecient...29er for those long days where ya just wanna cruise and keep on going. just my 2c
  • 01-16-2016
    patrick2cents
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by scottzg View Post
    I'm surprised all you guys that have been around a while are doing the + thing. Granted it was only a demo, but my time on a 650b+ reminded me why i didn't like high volume light tires years ago- i couldn't get them to be plush and tractiony and not bottom at speed at the same air pressure. For me, heavier casings are the ticket for low pressure grip, not air volume. I hope it works better for you guys!

    Yes, but I really just want a slightly larger trail tire with the same sidewall. Something in the true 2.6 range, so not quite what has been marketed so far.
  • 03-14-2016
    kelticknotts
    26+ here!


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