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    Quote Originally Posted by thorkild View Post
    Hmmm, geo is roughly the same as the Honzo that you continually rave about for AM performance despite its extreme portliness. Stems are replaceable.
    Frame's weight on par with everything else in the segment that's in steel. Its portliness comes from the heavy stock build. Geo's similar, but not quite. Steeper SA on the Honzo, and CS lengths about .5 inch shorter as well. Plus it was designed all around short stems (40-60mm), the Jamis comes stock with 70mm on the 13" to a 110mm stem on the 21". Definitely All-Mountain ready.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Duly noted, BUT I never cross shopped with the Nimble9. While the geometry may be there, it lacks other important AM features I was looking for, most importantly a 44mm headtube and dropper post friendly sized seat tube, its 27.2mm size is limited to what, only one dropper post?

    ... If I was really nit picking, maybe more rear chainstay clearance for something fatter than a 2.25 Ardent, although people are running them with 2.4 or even Hans Dampf, but limited clearance. But that's the price you pay for having the shortest CS of any production All-Mountain hardtail frame...
    Same reasons I went Honzo over N9, but...
    -27.2 droppers are avilable from both GD & KS
    -I'm running Dissent 2.5" front & rear, with CS length at 16.3" right now. (I like it shorter in my rear end) It fits, but if there is the slightest amount of wobble, some rubbage will occur.
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    26 has always been just right.

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    I would consider 650 or 29 but there are poor tire choices at this point at >2.35mm width
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    Kona is gonna have the 650B Explosif which is supposed to be similar to the Honzo. Should be available early 2013.

    Have yet to be able to get any solid geometry #'s out of Kona yet but I keep trying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    ^ All-Mountain that is not. The stem's longer than the fork's travel.
    That's still more than enough for most of the stuff "all mountain" hardtails ride. Neat looking bike too.

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    I'm drinking the Kool Aid and probably getting a 29er all mountain hardtail. Depending on availability it will be a TransAM, Nimble 9, Yel-Screamy or Paradox. Gotta make a decision soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VTSession View Post
    I'm drinking the Kool Aid and probably getting a 29er all mountain hardtail. Depending on availability it will be a TransAM, Nimble 9, Yel-Screamy or Paradox. Gotta make a decision soon.
    Honzo! I don't plan on building a 29er anytime in my distant future, but thats really the only 29er that has ever appealed to me. All the other frames look as though they were modified to fit the larger hoops. The Honzo just looks killer IMO.

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    Making the transition to 29er HT next summer.

    Just bought the frame, wheels, fork. Banshee Paradox, SR Charger Pro wheelset, Manitou Tower Pro 120mm fork.

    I'll ride my 26er full suspension for 1 more season, it's still quite decent. I'll beat it up some more until I'm done building up the Paradox.

    Other 29ers considered: Canfield Yelli, Chromag Rootdown, Diamondback Mason in hardtail. Thought about trying a Niner RIP,SC tallboy, or Salsa Horsethief. But went with the hard tail to try something different for a while.

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    I'm torn on if I should get a 29er or a 26er HT. I love the pop and handling of the 26" but the 29er is so much smoother overall its hard to overlook. I already got a big squishy 26" bike so the 29er would fit in nicely. I think I just need both, I'd regret it if I got one or the other. There's a fully built 2012 transam for $1000, I think I'll get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ihaveagibsonsg View Post
    I'm torn on if I should get a 29er or a 26er HT. I love the pop and handling of the 26" but the 29er is so much smoother overall its hard to overlook. I already got a big squishy 26" bike so the 29er would fit in nicely. I think I just need both, I'd regret it if I got one or the other. There's a fully built 2012 transam for $1000, I think I'll get it.

    That one on ebay? Im watching it too. Its got some cheap wheels and brakes and I dont think im gonna bid.

    I messaged him and I also think he is part retarded. Keep that in mind when purchasing.
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    Before my 29er Hardtail cracked I loved the bike especially for road and ground control,

    But in my opinion they cant replace or compete with the agileness of a 26er especially on tight turns.

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    Just put in an order for a Honzo at the lbs. Should be here next week, pretty stoked. Elected to just buy the whole bike rather than build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdjohnson121 View Post
    Just put in an order for a Honzo at the lbs. Should be here next week, pretty stoked. Elected to just buy the whole bike rather than build.
    Where's the fun in that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Where's the fun in that?
    Upgrading later all the parts you compromised on buying a built bike
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    Quote Originally Posted by lubes17319 View Post
    Same, 29". Very happy with this setup.
    They can take my 29" Kona Honzo from me when they pry it from my cold dead hands.
    Same here, the more I ride mine the more I love it. I don't think I'll ever go back to 26" for a hardtail. And as far as weight goes, it feels much lighter than it is when actually out riding.
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    still 26" and steel..for an AM hardtail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singlespeed McGee View Post
    Same here, the more I ride mine the more I love it. I don't think I'll ever go back to 26" for a hardtail. And as far as weight goes, it feels much lighter than it is when actually out riding.
    I agree with all those points. Although I'd love to get my Honzo to 30 lbs, from just shy over 31, but there's nothing really I'd change without having to spend a huge chunk of change. Definitely rides like it's under 30 lbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    I agree with all those points. Although I'd love to get my Honzo to 30 lbs, from just shy over 31, but there's nothing really I'd change without having to spend a huge chunk of change. Definitely rides like it's under 30 lbs.
    I've got mine down to just under 29 lbs (I think, been a while since I've weighed it) but I'm a skinny guy, haha. I do have a Thomson dropper post and carbon bar, along with some carbon wheels on my list of things to get though
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post


    Weagle must be laughing hard somewhere on his island... So many hardtails look like carbon copies of the original Evil Sov. Especially this one. I mean...

    And to think the bike was designed about a decade ago...

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    So the thread is from 2012 lot has changed from then, so let see what will you be riding in 2016.

    Pick one 26/27.5/29/27.5+/29+ and tell us why. Just so we get more info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3names View Post
    Pick one 26/27.5/29/27.5+/29+ and tell us why. Just so we get more info.
    Well... one bike, 2 wheel sizes.

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    Running 26+ and 650b wheelsets

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3names View Post
    So the thread is from 2012 lot has changed from then, so let see what will you be riding in 2016.

    Pick one 26/27.5/29/27.5+/29+ and tell us why. Just so we get more info.
    29er, Trek Cobia: yes it isn't an All Mountain bike, but it is XC set up with a 785mm bar, 60mm stem, 2.35/2.25 tires, Inferno 27 rims, and a Shimano Zee crank wit hXT drivetrain. This thing is tough and fast.

    My next bike will be a 29er.. unless it's a fatbike I won't buy anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3names View Post
    So the thread is from 2012 lot has changed from then, so let see what will you be riding in 2016.

    Pick one 26/27.5/29/27.5+/29+ and tell us why. Just so we get more info.
    26- another glorious year on my 456evo. It ain't broke, 27.5 is the same thing, and although i'm gonna be demoing 29ers for my next LTHT, 29'er geo was crap when i bought the 456.
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    Going to be building up a 2016 Nimble 9, running it 29 and 27.5+.

    Wanted a bike on the steeper side to compliment my 6" 66.5˚/65.5˚ FS bike, but not a pure XC steed. So many bikes are on the slacker side, it was a little hard to find a steel "trail" bike. 29" because I have a solid set of wheels to build the bike around, B+ because why the hell not?

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    26, which I just bought, but I'm waiting to see what 2016 holds for 26+... I could be convinced that way depending on how they feel. At least it would be sweet for wide rim availability.

    the why: I ride east coast trails with a lot of slow-tech, steep jumps, sharp sharp sharp turns and log-overs that are a blast to ride on what amounts to a big bmx bike (though a lot slacker HT angle). It really is driven by my local terrain and how I like to have fun on the trails.

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    I'm building up a 27.5 hardtail. 2016 NS eccentric

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    Same bike I was riding in 2012, so a 26er with 9 gears, in fact the spec hasn't even changed since 2012, it's a great bike.

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    2012 I was on a Steel Honzo 29er SS.

    2016 I'll be on a Ti Honzo 29÷ SS (almost "+" 29er).
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    Trying out 26+. Hope I like it...think it's promising.

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    I'm surprised all you guys that have been around a while are doing the + thing. Granted it was only a demo, but my time on a 650b+ reminded me why i didn't like high volume light tires years ago- i couldn't get them to be plush and tractiony and not bottom at speed at the same air pressure. For me, heavier casings are the ticket for low pressure grip, not air volume. I hope it works better for you guys!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottzg View Post
    I'm surprised all you guys that have been around a while are doing the + thing.
    I feel ya. In fairness, it's a safe tryout. Was planning a 27.5 regular build but the 26+ rims/tires came for free. If it is teh suck - right back to regular 27.5 w/ roughly the same geo. Got me a lot of bikes so the niche market keeps it sort of fresh. Each build starts with some sort of stupid vision or harebrained idea - "What if I....?".

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottzg View Post
    I'm surprised all you guys that have been around a while are doing the + thing. Granted it was only a demo, but my time on a 650b+ reminded me why i didn't like high volume light tires years ago- i couldn't get them to be plush and tractiony and not bottom at speed at the same air pressure. For me, heavier casings are the ticket for low pressure grip, not air volume. I hope it works better for you guys!
    I have yet to ride +. I did pick up 35mm IW rims, so those with 2.35in tires will be "large" by 2012 standards. Whether I go true + depends on my fork & frame clearance which I do not have in-hand yet. And then, probably just for the winter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottzg View Post
    I'm surprised all you guys that have been around a while are doing the + thing. Granted it was only a demo, but my time on a 650b+ reminded me why i didn't like high volume light tires years ago- i couldn't get them to be plush and tractiony and not bottom at speed at the same air pressure. For me, heavier casings are the ticket for low pressure grip, not air volume. I hope it works better for you guys!
    I demo'd a Salsa Pony Rustler and hated it.

    I built up a WTB Scraper i45 and put a 3.0" Panaracer FBN B+ tire on the front of my old Mason... and hated it.

    Steering was numb, heavy and imprecise. The Scraper i45 weighs close to what some of the new, tubeless ready 70-75mm (internal) fat bike rims weigh. The tough B+ tires are approaching fat bike tire weights.

    Point of my ramblings? I decided if I'm gonna go fat, I want a 4" tire (or more).

    So then, you might ask, 'why do you have 26+ on your Instigator?'... well, same reason as Carl.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Mega View Post
    I feel ya. In fairness, it's a safe tryout. Was planning a 27.5 regular build but the 26+ rims/tires came for free.
    Right now I use 26+ for snow rides. Have no intention to run them on dirt.
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    27.5 firm believer here, every bike has a purpose tho, if i bought a DH bike now it would be a 26 for its cheaper and has more abundant parts. All mtn i love my 27.5, very nible AND pretty dam effecient...29er for those long days where ya just wanna cruise and keep on going. just my 2c

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottzg View Post
    I'm surprised all you guys that have been around a while are doing the + thing. Granted it was only a demo, but my time on a 650b+ reminded me why i didn't like high volume light tires years ago- i couldn't get them to be plush and tractiony and not bottom at speed at the same air pressure. For me, heavier casings are the ticket for low pressure grip, not air volume. I hope it works better for you guys!
    Yes, but I really just want a slightly larger trail tire with the same sidewall. Something in the true 2.6 range, so not quite what has been marketed so far.

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