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    Good insightfull post!

    And one correction my bike is the best, love affair with Iron Horse MKIII

    Blitzes Shmitzes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by baycat
    Good insightfull post!

    And one correction my bike is the best, love affair with Iron Horse MKIII

    Blitzes Shmitzes!
    Your just a stud! must go through 2-3 relationships per year with different models & makes.

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    haha yeah....but after reading these posts I gotta throw a leg over a blitz and see what it is all about!

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    Well I would just like to add that if I ever get my new bike (it's on a slow boat from China) I'm sure it will be better than everyones! HA! Except my old Trek 930 that refuses to die.

    Fuel for the Fire!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by baycat
    haha yeah....but after reading these posts I gotta throw a leg over a blitz and see what it is all about!
    Going to the Napa XC races this weekend? Blitz will be there doing pit duties & feed zone patrol. I have been helping a friends son get into XC, kid is fast & strong. Cant belive these XC quys, have to spin, get massage, stretch, pamperpamperpamper, DH riders go race yahoo. It's fun though.

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    I just wasted five minutes of my life that I will never get back reading this thread. One the other hand, it is kinda cool to see an AM forum.

    I think I'll go ride my 15 year old, piece of crap road bike now and try to get my pathetic a$$ into some sorta shape for the season.Do you think the local roadies will be more offended with my 6 speed cassette with downtube shifters? Time ATAC pedals and mtn bike shoe on a road bike? Or, baggy shorts, hairy legs and a Camelback Mule???

    Just ride the dayum bike.

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    O.K. Kids , let's all just agree, to disagree and admit that Opinions are like a*holes, everyone has one and your own opinion is always the right one. AND I'm right 'cause that's my opinion and BTW GIANT Maestro is the best but I don't have stickers to prove it - yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo Troll
    I just wasted five minutes of my life that I will never get back reading this thread. One the other hand, it is kinda cool to see an AM forum.

    I think I'll go ride my 15 year old, piece of crap road bike now and try to get my pathetic a$$ into some sorta shape for the season.Do you think the local roadies will be more offended with my 6 speed cassette with downtube shifters? Time ATAC pedals and mtn bike shoe on a road bike? Or, baggy shorts, hairy legs and a Camelback Mule???

    Just ride the dayum bike.
    Ahh but you were probibly enjoying the humor rolling on the floor laughing at a senseless over written debate that some insist on bringing up over & over.
    Sniffers like you get the thumbs up riding down the road, oh wait your not a sniffer your a bike rider, cool ride on doubble thumbs up.

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    Prophet, one point I'd always debate with you, in a friendly manner of course, is that Lefty fork. Not an issue of functional operation necessarily, but a very serious proprietary issue. When it comes to bikes, I'm pretty much down on stuff that requires lots of special parts and where availability can become a problem for down time during a parts failure or service. Yes, I know you can get a reducer for your frame, and that saves the bacon for C'dale's frames at least as far as I'm concerned. The Lefty, however, is too weird. It's harder to work on and requires a special hub. You won't find a front wheel for your bike on Jenson's Blowout Sale. That may not be important to you, but most customers need that flexibility.

    Your Prophet frame, on the other hand, is a very nice piece of work. It's nothing special, but it's a very solid, good performing design...kinda like a Heckler IMHO. I think Geminis are darned good bikes too.

    Anyway, as I said, this is a friendly debate about your enthusiasm over the Lefty, not your bike. Oh, wait a minute, one more thing...your comment about the 25lb. do-it-all bike. I've wasted...well maybe not totally wasted...a lot of money building stupid light and unreasonably heavy bikes. A true, realiable, full-suspension all mountain type bike that would weigh 25lbs. doesn't exist. Others can post all the pics they want of their rides that might weigh that much along with claims that they ride everything in sight with them. I'd challenge them to let a 54 year old geezer ride them on a real trail with nothing bigger than a two foot drop or two along the way. I'd bet that in no time at all, I'd break the wheels, hubs, handlebar, saddle, rear shock, or some other critical component. I once built a 28.5lb. Bullit. Overall it wasn't that great. Of course I'm talking about something approaching reality in the sense of the economy of bicycle purchases. Maybe someone with an unlimited budget to design and manufacture a from-the-ground-up bike could achieve that. I realize that my statement here is debatable, and isn't that why we come here?

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    fools and thier mountain bikes that's what we are.
    i put a longer stem on my prophet so it would be a better bike for me
    i've got a easton carbon bar ordered so it would be lighter for me
    i bought lighter tires so it would roll faster for me
    i had to put longer cranks on it because the fool i bought it from had 170mm on it
    today i bought a set of crossmax sl wheels for it so it would really roll faster for me

    i can't help it and i did it with a schwinn too.
    the perfect bike would have 12 inches of travel go up and down hill, roll really fast, and fit like a glove. if someone tells me were in can get one they can go to hell

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    My Prophet is all over Ebay, in various parts. A Titus Supermoto will be the new steed by summer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNC
    Prophet, one point I'd always debate with you, in a friendly manner of course, is that Lefty fork. Not an issue of functional operation necessarily, but a very serious proprietary issue. When it comes to bikes, I'm pretty much down on stuff that requires lots of special parts and where availability can become a problem for down time during a parts failure or service. Yes, I know you can get a reducer for your frame, and that saves the bacon for C'dale's frames at least as far as I'm concerned. The Lefty, however, is too weird. It's harder to work on and requires a special hub. You won't find a front wheel for your bike on Jenson's Blowout Sale. That may not be important to you, but most customers need that flexibility.

    Your Prophet frame, on the other hand, is a very nice piece of work. It's nothing special, but it's a very solid, good performing design...kinda like a Heckler IMHO. I think Geminis are darned good bikes too.

    Anyway, as I said, this is a friendly debate about your enthusiasm over the Lefty, not your bike. Oh, wait a minute, one more thing...your comment about the 25lb. do-it-all bike. I've wasted...well maybe not totally wasted...a lot of money building stupid light and unreasonably heavy bikes. A true, realiable, full-suspension all mountain type bike that would weigh 25lbs. doesn't exist. Others can post all the pics they want of their rides that might weigh that much along with claims that they ride everything in sight with them. I'd challenge them to let a 54 year old geezer ride them on a real trail with nothing bigger than a two foot drop or two along the way. I'd bet that in no time at all, I'd break the wheels, hubs, handlebar, saddle, rear shock, or some other critical component. I once built a 28.5lb. Bullit. Overall it wasn't that great. Of course I'm talking about something approaching reality in the sense of the economy of bicycle purchases. Maybe someone with an unlimited budget to design and manufacture a from-the-ground-up bike could achieve that. I realize that my statement here is debatable, and isn't that why we come here?

    Got to say i agree with you on the Lefty. I've owned a couple of C/dales with them in the past and although impressed with the rigidity, there are downsides- like going through wheel bearings fast ( although cheap and easy to replace ), the inherent stiction in the design and the complexity of the fork when you come to strip it down. They are probably a lot better now than when i owned them a few years ago and to be honest i did like the forks, but for the average rider who likes to maintain his own bike, the Lefty needs special tools to strip and is not easy to do. I suppose you could say the same thing about the TALAS, and personally thats why i won't own another one of those either.

    Had a Super-v and a couple of Jeckyll's in the past and had a great time on them all, who knows maybe we'll all end up back on single pivots in years to come!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by el_chupo_
    If it werent for Stable Platform shocks, the SP would be all but extinct from current high end bikes. Simply put, it is innefecient for peddleing.

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    I disagree with this statement. They were not going extinct before platform shocks came along. A truley efficient long travel (6") bike of ANY design was not viable before platform shocks. A high-forward single pivot has it's quirks and disadvantages, but pedaling inefficiency is not one of them. Think back to 2000, before platform shocks were around. The Superlight, with 4" of travel, was every bit as efficient as linkage designs with less travel.

    I find it odd that this statement gets often repeated about single pivots needing platform shocks when pretty much every high-end long travel bike (including linkages) comes equiped with some sort of platform/pro-pedal shock.

    True, when the Heckler came out it needed the 5th coil to really shine, but that's not because of the platform feature (I use more platform on my 5" Horst Link bike than I did on my 5.7" Heckler) It was the progressive (and adjustable) compression dampening that completed the picture.

    When characterizing single pivots, you need to distinguish between high-forward pivots and low-rear pivots. They are completly different animals, with different strengths and weaknesses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve71
    MX bikes have a fixed chainline, MTB's don't.

    MX Bikes, all except for the KTM that is, use linkages in the rear suspension. The linkage used in the Giant VT is very similar. Looks like a single pivot, because you basically see just a big swingarm. But there is a linkage in there. And the fixed chainline, how's that? The pivot is behind the countershaft sprocket (slightly), and when the suspension compresses, the chain tightens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kapusta
    True, when the Heckler came out it needed the 5th coil to really shine, but that's not because of the platform feature (I use more platform on my 5" Horst Link bike than I did on my 5.7" Heckler) It was the progressive (and adjustable) compression dampening that completed the picture.
    You are aware the Heckler was kicking buttola beffor platform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    You are aware the Heckler was kicking buttola beffor platform.
    OK, I meant the new style (2002-2003?) Heckler. It's a whole different animal than the old one.

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    It's all cool, have fun.

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    I gotta agree on the lefty fork. Not for technical reasons, mind you, but more for conservative reasons. A fork's suposed to have 2 legs. Otherwise it's a...a stick! Weird!

    Besides, I'm sure my clydesdale rear end would blow that thing out with the quickness! If something's gonna be proprietary, it should be widely available, otherwise it does no one any good.

    As for the comment about the 25lb do-it-all bike, yeah, I'm afraid such a thing does not exist. One way or another you're gonna compromise something. If it's not weight, it's gonna be strength, if not strength, travel, or rear suspension, or a saddle and handlebars... That's just the way I look at it.

    Anyway, stop looking for something that's gonna be a do-it-all bike and start looking for something that's gonna do everything you wanna do. It's all about getting out there and riding, ain't it?

    Ross

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    Ahh but you were probibly enjoying the humor rolling on the floor laughing at a senseless over written debate that some insist on bringing up over & over.
    Sniffers like you get the thumbs up riding down the road, oh wait your not a sniffer your a bike rider, cool ride on doubble thumbs up.
    Pedal on my brother. See you on the trail.

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    My Homegrown is the best EVER...

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    Oh wait! I Meant that my Giant is the best EVER!

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    Ohhh Man! Never mind, My wife said her Specialised is the best bike. ( She's always right, Damn!)

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