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    With all the interest in trying platform pedals and consistent recommendations to go with FiveTen shoes as well, could some of you offer advice on which 5 10 shoes to try?

    As you all know there are a lot of different models and it's hard to choose unless you just go by what looks the best to you. Also where most of us live there is no option to go to a store and look at them in person, so sight unseen mail order is gong to be required.

    Some models offer a lot of protection, but that may be over kill.

    None of them look like they breath very well and are going to be a lot hotter than a dedicated mtb shoe, so are some better models for hot weather?

    Adding a lot of extra weight to a rotating mass is something to avoid, so which ones are the lightest?

    Do they all have the same sole? As in just as stiff and just as grippy? Or does it vary?

    Do they run pretty true to size?
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    Quote Originally Posted by modifier
    With all the interest in trying platform pedals and consistent recommendations to go with FiveTen shoes as well, could some of you offer advice on which 5 10 shoes to try?

    As you all know there are a lot of different models and it's hard to choose unless you just go by what looks the best to you. Also where most of us live there is no option to go to a store and look at them in person, so sight unseen mail order is gong to be required.

    Some models offer a lot of protection, but that may be over kill.

    None of them look like they breath very well and are going to be a lot hotter than a dedicated mtb shoe, so are some better models for hot weather?

    Adding a lot of extra weight to a rotating mass is something to avoid, so which ones are the lightest?

    Do they all have the same sole? As in just as stiff and just as grippy? Or does it vary?

    Do they run pretty true to size?
    I own a pair of the 5.10 Impact Low's and personally love them. My buddy also has a pair of the 5.10 Freeriders. How would you describe your riding style? More of the XC/trail side of all mountain? or more of the freeride side of all mountain? Maybe we could suggest something a little better then. Otherwise, as far as breathability, my impacts are sweat boxes... my feet don't overheat, but they do get hot. Also, for comparison to a clipless shoe, they are a bit heavy. To my though, the benefit of impact absorption, comfort, and grip, they're worth every bit of the heat and weight. Not every shoe has the same outsole, nor midsole. Any not everyone of them has the same amount of flexibility. So give us some more information and we'll try to help you out.

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    The Impact lows are great, but are heavy and bulky.
    The Freeriders/Baron, are less bulky, a little lighter, but there sole is not as stiff, and depending on your feet they can cause foot numbness on longer rides.
    The Chase seems to be a good middle ground shoe for general riding.
    But my favorite all around shoe is the Shimano AM41. Good sole stiffness, super grippy, light, good support, and has a lace cover built in. They are kinda ugly, but I can live with that.

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    It's not like I'm going to abandon clipless pedals, so for the flat pedal experience I would say that most of it would be considered all mountain except where I live there is no DH stuff. Well almost none. There are a couple of new but short runs being built up.

    Basically if it is an established trail, and other can ride up it, so can I, and in those cases riding with clipless is not a problem.

    It's the really technical climbs that are first assents where you are putting everything you have into it to trying to make it up, then if you fail you have so little time to bail that the tiny bit of extra effort to get out of the clips can result in a nasty fall, as happened to me last week, so that is the main reason why I want to try the flats.

    On the intermediate and advanced XC trails I will likely stay with clipless most of the time, unless I get really comfortable with and like the platforms. Also at some point when I can afford it I would like to get a trials bike and at that point will need the flat skills.
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    @ modifier - have been in impact lows for 4yrs in texas heat. no big deal for me. I did find Vans' Gravel shoe that i also use. It is in direct line with the freerider but lighter and not as bulky. It has Vans' sticky version of stealth which work very well. I think they're a bit more sticky than the AM41s vibram sole. Style wise - they're Vans' so...usually go from my bike to my longboard to skate right after! check 'em out.

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    I ride platforms for everything and this is my experience.

    For maximum protection and grip for more aggressive rides, go with Impacts. For more XC-ish stuff, the Freeriders work well. I've even had much luck with the Ba5ics for most rides. I got a pair on Chainlove for a super low price and have been using them a lot. They're almost like low-pro Converse with stealth rubber. They work well for me and are the lightest, lowest, and most breathable. They don't offer much protection at all though and their grip is a little less, so I grab the Impacts for anything super rocky or where I know I need maximum grip.

    Don't ignore the importance of grippy platforms though. Five Tens won't do it all. Get a good pedal with grippy pins and with the Five Tens you'll stick like glue.

    Funny you mentioned them being hotter than a normal MTB shoe. I've never noticed this (even in desert climates), but I have noticed my riding partners wearing neoprene booties over their shoes and complaining about their cold feet in the colder months. I just laugh. My feet have never been cold.
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    baeckerX1 has a great point on good flats. I use straitlines. They are nice and wide but I think their "secret" are their pins. I switch to their pins on my Transition step-downs and it made a big difference. Have friends who've hung onto their 5050s since they swapped pins.
    try straitline pins on anything and they will work well. Just don't slip...haha

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    My gripe with 5.10's is the lack of stiffness, weight, and lack of ventilation.

    That said, I still love my Impact lows, and I will buy another pair soon unless 5.10 comes out with a new model that looks better.

    I think there is a market for a more XC oriented, non-clipless shoe. We'll see if 5.10 tries to come up with something new.

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    I have some Canfield Brothers Crampon pedals on the way. I like their design and I think they come with long and short pins so I can experiment. A little heavy but not too bad.

    Stiffness in the sole would be a plus too. Especially since I'm used to riding Sidi XC shoes. But I guess with the large contact area it's probably not as much of a concern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 53119
    baeckerX1 has a great point on good flats. I use straitlines. They are nice and wide but I think their "secret" are their pins. I switch to their pins on my Transition step-downs and it made a big difference. Have friends who've hung onto their 5050s since they swapped pins.
    try straitline pins on anything and they will work well. Just don't slip...haha
    Straitlines rock! I agree 100% about the pins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by modifier
    I have some Canfield Brothers Crampon pedals on the way. I like their design and I think they come with long and short pins so I can experiment. A little heavy but not too bad.

    Stiffness in the sole would be a plus too. Especially since I'm used to riding Sidi XC shoes. But I guess with the large contact area it's probably not as much of a concern.
    If you're going with the crampons, I'd recommend the Impacts. I think those specifically would benefit from a stiffer sole. I've heard that on thinner soles some riders can feel the spindle moving underneath their foot and it's an odd feeling. I doubt you'd notice it on Impacts though. I wouldn't know as I've never ridden on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roxnroots
    Straitlines rock! I agree 100% about the pins.

    X1 on the Straitlines, fwiw i like my Sam Hills, grippy, pretty stiff and not too hot.

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    How about Vans? They have been a favorite bike shoe for a long time. Is there that much of a difference between their soles and 5 10 soles?
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    After talking to some riders and manufacturers and reading what people said here and watching YouTube I ordered some 5 10s in the end. I was torn between getting something that was going to be beefy but heavy (Impacts) and something that might be too flexible (Freeride) so I went with something a bit out of the norm and in between, the (Chase). It's kind of a do all shoe with a specialty in Parkour but has some toe guarding and a stealth soul and not too heavy at 840g. My Sidis with cleats are 820g. At $99 it's not the end of the world if I need something heavier after trying them and will still be good for other use.

    Thanks to all for the input.
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    I've heard the van's gravel feel a lot like the freerider. Standard vans aren't grippy enough IMO, but there are many who think 5.10's are too grippy and prefer skate shoes. Here's my take: freerider and other light shoes may cause foot fatigue, less impact dampening, and offer less traction, though not much less if you get the freerider with s1 rubber. Not all freeriders use the same rubber. The impact offers better foot protection and impact dampening lighter shoes can't. Shorter rides, DJ, etc.. van's, freerider's are perfect, pounding DH, and longer xc rides I would go with the impact. Teva will be releasing a sticky rubber shoe soon, but it's supposed to be flexy like the freerider.

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    5-10 Impacts and Straitlines here. I could wish for lighter shoes and platforms but you can't beat the comfort and security. I would not want thinner soles on the Straitline pins.

    I tried to go over a 3 foot diameter log and I let the pins on the bottom side of my right pedal dig into the log and it stopped me cold just as the front wheel was over. OTB

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    Just tryed ouy my new impacts tonight and i am a little underwelmed. I was looking for a little more grip, read the great reviews and didn't really experiance nothing like anything i've read. So its got to be the pedals. I'm using some wellgo platforms with a bunch of studs maybe they are worn or to small not sure. When I bought my bike it came with clipless and being a newbie didn't want to start right out of the box clipless so they threw on some used platforms. Maybe I can replace the studs on my pedals not sure. When riding with the impacts I could easly twist my feet around and tonight was the first foot slip off a pedal . Been just using hiking shoes or sneakers and couldnt notice any difference in grip. Fit great and like how they feel. tru to size.

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    My Five10 Impact / Straitline combo are just as everyone described. You have to lift your foot up to reposition it on the pedal, it won't slide!
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmore
    Just tryed ouy my new impacts tonight and i am a little underwelmed. I was looking for a little more grip, read the great reviews and didn't really experiance nothing like anything i've read. So its got to be the pedals. I'm using some wellgo platforms with a bunch of studs maybe they are worn or to small not sure. When I bought my bike it came with clipless and being a newbie didn't want to start right out of the box clipless so they threw on some used platforms. Maybe I can replace the studs on my pedals not sure. When riding with the impacts I could easly twist my feet around and tonight was the first foot slip off a pedal . Been just using hiking shoes or sneakers and couldnt notice any difference in grip. Fit great and like how they feel. tru to size.
    Generally speaking, the thinner and taller the pedal pins are the more grip you'll have.
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    I'm ordering some straitlines today if no one has them local.

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    Probably overkill but I installed the pins with a drop of red locktite and put a thin coat of anti-sieze on the pedal spindle. The socket size for the pins is 5 mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SasquatchSC
    My Five10 Impact / Straitline combo are just as everyone described. You have to lift your foot up to reposition it on the pedal, it won't slide!
    Yup, I had Holzfellers on my old bike and my 5.10 Impacts stuck to their skinny pins the same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by modifier
    After talking to some riders and manufacturers and reading what people said here and watching YouTube I ordered some 5 10s in the end. I was torn between getting something that was going to be beefy but heavy (Impacts) and something that might be too flexible (Freeride) so I went with something a bit out of the norm and in between, the (Chase). It's kind of a do all shoe with a specialty in Parkour but has some toe guarding and a stealth soul and not too heavy at 840g. My Sidis with cleats are 820g. At $99 it's not the end of the world if I need something heavier after trying them and will still be good for other use.

    Thanks to all for the input.
    Let us know how the Chase feel on the bike, I'm wondering about using their Freerunning shoes for biking too. (as a lighter/cooler option to my Impacts)

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    Is it just me or are the five tens a little over hyped? I slipped off my pedals more now since I got them. Just wondering if any others are experiancing the same thing. I have three rides on them now and had my feet slip off on every ride. Been out about ten times this year and had no slips prior. I used some hiking shoes and regular sneakers and thought they worked ok, no slips. Maybe the tread pattern on both work good with my pedals not sure. I ordered straitlines from treefort and it seems to me those pedals would grip on concrete so probably could have just got the pedals. Don't have the pedals yet still waiting didn't ship out for 4 days wtf. Like to know if anyone else is having same experiance probably not by all the posts I've read.

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    So anyone specifically got ride time in on the Chase 5.10s using Straitlines? That's where I'm thinking of going next . . .

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    Skidmore,

    When are you slipping off of your pedals? Are you typically standing, or seated? I've had 5.10's for a while now, and even with some of the crappiest stock pedals, I have had zero problems with slipping, BUT... if you're seated, or pedaling really fast, and you do not always have some weight on them, then there's your problem. That's why I'm asking when they tend to slip for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmore
    Is it just me or are the five tens a little over hyped? I slipped off my pedals more now since I got them. Just wondering if any others are experiancing the same thing. I have three rides on them now and had my feet slip off on every ride. Been out about ten times this year and had no slips prior. I used some hiking shoes and regular sneakers and thought they worked ok, no slips. Maybe the tread pattern on both work good with my pedals not sure. I ordered straitlines from treefort and it seems to me those pedals would grip on concrete so probably could have just got the pedals. Don't have the pedals yet still waiting didn't ship out for 4 days wtf. Like to know if anyone else is having same experiance probably not by all the posts I've read.
    I've not slipped a pedal in two years of riding flats with 5.10's. Back in 03 when I tried flats I went right back to spd when I couldn't stay on my pedals with vans. There is some hype for sure, 5.10's don't mean you'll never slip, but with good technique, you are very unlikely to move on the pedals period. You can't ride flats like spd's and just expect the 5.10's to keep you on the pedals. Clips tech you to ignore techniques to keep your feet on the pedals.

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    Ran 5.10 Impacts on some gnarly fast ST last weekend at Brown County with a pair of Fly Bikes platforms and all I kept thinking about is how I was stuck more securely than with my Sidi's and Time Attacks.....CRAZY GLUE, I loved it but it will take some getting used to, as my ankle had more play before and now I have to lift my foot for adjustment.

    Glad I switched for sure! Now to get some ORANGE Staitlines to match my Iodine's!

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    Interesting thread. The bike I just bought came with Shimano MX30 Deore DX BMX/DH pedals installed and the fellow who sold it to me strongly recommended I learn to ride the platforms instead of the clipless I have on my HT. Will these do with a pair of 5.10s or are the pins too small?

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    I use freeriders, loved them since I wore them! what people say is true, ventilation on these shoes is poor! other than that, the sole might not be as stiff as the impacts but it has plenty of stiffness and impressive grip. Another disadvantage is that theyre bulky! But these disadvantages I can live with for the grip these shoes offer.

    I wish 5.10 could make a skinnier shoe with better ventilation, and still have the sole stiffness they offer, and off course their sole!

    PD: I use CB 5050s with the Freeriders works wonders

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    Ok, here is a limited report. It's been raining a lot here so not much ride time.

    I've been out 3 times on the Crampons. The first time waiting for the 5 10s to arrive was on a pair of Pumas and short pins. They stuck pretty well but the flexibility of the sole allowed it to conform to the pedal too much and the exposed spindle could be felt and actually seemed to roll your foot forward if you were pedaling lightly. This isn't an issue on a normal platform pedal with the same shoe. But I think a flexxy shoe like some people say the Freeride is might present a similar issue on the Crampons.

    My Chase 5 10s arrived and I've ridden twice on them. I also switched out the pins to the 2mm longer ones and donned some shin guards just in case. The Chases are plenty stiff so that I don't feel the spindle at all. They grip pretty well and have a Stealth sole but it's a different MY Stealth sole than the bike specific S1 (Impact) or PH on some Freeride shoes so I don't know how it compares. The PH sole is not very grippy as I understand and more of a street shoe. The MY grips pretty well but the rubber isn't supper soft. But once again I don't know how soft the S1 is. The MY sole was engineered for Parkour as we know which needs good grip to climb walls and these new soles are suppose to be lighter and last longer than the original. They are pretty light @ 844g for a pair of size 10s. They have a partial rubber rand around the perimeter for protection and durability and the upper 2 vertical lace holes make sure they stay tight and also center the bow on the shoe so it won't get hooked on stuff.

    Twice on the last ride I caught my tow under branches sticking out from logs on the ground, which has never happened before on cleats so I don't know what's up with that but my foot and the shoe didn't get hurt at all, so the uppers are built pretty strong and should take a beating and protect your foot. They are not bulky and look good too and would be fine as a casual shoe.

    So overall I would say that they are a good bike shoe and less bulky and lighter than a lot of other 5 10s but still stiff and sticky enough too.

    As far as flats go. They are great if you need to get off quickly in sketchy new uncharted terrain but other than that, so far, they suck for hard XC riding compared with clipless. My feet are all over the place if it's really rough and I find myself pedaling with one foot on the ball and one foot closer to the heal when grinding up steep climbs when you can't lift to readjust. With clipless it's easy to ride with a really light rear wheel and you don't have to think about where your feet are at all (obviously) and I think it is a lot more efficient to pedal on the ball of your foot rather than on the instep or even worse the heal. It seems like with flats to keep planted you would have to keep your weight back on the bike to weight the pedal or something making for a heavy bash over rather than skim over rear wheel. Also several times when I would transition like going down into a gully then up the other side my foot would slip off of the pedal to the front and I would be dead in the water, once again saying you have to ride heavy on the pedal to stay on it. Standing up staying on isn't an issue, but once when launching off of rock on a fast decent one of my feet went airborne and fortunately landed back on the pedal. In general staying planted going down hill is not a problem even if it's rough.

    I'm not giving up yet and flats seem to have their place but so far being clipped in is like trying to drive a race car with a 4 point harness to hold you in the seat compared with hanging on the steering wheel to keep you in the seat. Primitive vs technological advancement.

    I would say those who say that learning how to ride on flats is learning a superior bike handling skill are wrong. It's not better just different and except for bailing clipless are superior. I'm sure many will disagree and maybe with more flat time I might come around too.
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