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    2012 All mountain's

    What 2012 All mountain bike will you be buying??

    After seeing the 2012 Spec Enduro Expert Evo, I just fell in love, but will I get $4700 in time?? ))
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    that's a nice ride. i saw some pics of the frame only option and it was nice as well. got 4 on my list to decide on...

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    or..just stay true to my Transition and get the latest covert (and $$ave)

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    For me a large yellow Nukeproof Mega please..


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    i saw the 2012 stumpy evo on vital and was blown away, everything im looking for. a bit pricey for me though. right now my top picks are a reign (if its a good color), covert, or khs xct 556.

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    Why the reign over the spec? They have one color out so far but hopefully more to come

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    Reign 2012
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    2012 Mojo HD x9 kit in Vitamin P. Right now its on a fedex truck or in aa fedex warehouse shipping to me.

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    im just talking framesets. a reign is like 1.5 whereas the stumpy evo will be around 3. theres no way i can pay 3k for a frame.

    btw do you have a picture of the 2012 reign frameset?

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    Specialized Enduro or Santa Cruz Nomad. I know Santa Cruz doesn't update specs on a yearly basis but that's what I'm interested in.

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    Just found these.


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    How much can you expect to pay for your Nomad? They really are nice bikes!!!!

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    Is that shock on the Enduro Evo mounted with some custom solution? Can you replace it with something better? I quite like the look of the bike, luckily I don't need a new one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebas69 View Post
    How much can you expect to pay for your Nomad? They really are nice bikes!!!!
    Hopefully around $3500. It won't be cheap but it will totally be worth it. Either bike will give me a reliability and versatility...which is important since it will most likely be my only mountain bike.

    In the meantime I need to get my skills up to warrant owning such a sweet bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dropadrop View Post
    Is that shock on the Enduro Evo mounted with some custom solution? Can you replace it with something better? I quite like the look of the bike, luckily I don't need a new one.
    There's a guy who worked with someone and created mounts for a CCB for his Enduro Evo. It's on the last page of the AM picture thread and he has a link to his build thread in his sig.
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    I am planning on an Ibis mojo hd, santa cruz nomad carbon or a nomad al. I cannot decide which though!

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    ^ I did the reasearch and now mine is sitting in my living room next to me. Take a look through both the SC forums and Ibis forums, use google etc. I don't think you'll be disappointed with any of them.

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    Pivot Firebird for me...now I just need to work some overtime... That means I have less time to ride...

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    Tim-H can I ask why you got whichever bike you did and which bike you got?

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    PM sent because they are all observations I made after months of looking. I don't want to start a SC vs Ibis vs Specialized argument with everyone else.

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    just dont mention fsr and no one will get too upset

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    I was in the same boat as tim h. I also decided on a mojo HD large vitamin p. It was between that an the nomad carbon. I went with the mojo cuz I demoed it an fell in love. Did LOTS of reading etc... pretty much it came down to ... price (mojo ended up a few hunge cheaper) and there weren't really any local dealers for santa cruz. I definitely could not find an oppurtunity to even demo one otherwise it may have been a little harder decision. But, from everything I've read, just the superior customer service from ibis is enough. Whether you have an ibis mojo HD, pivot 5.7, giant reign X, SC nomad, Spec, evo haha, I don't think you can go wrong with any of those bikes!
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    The HD will be my next ride after demoing one a few months ago. Probably going with med. vitamin p, XT kit, and iodines in orange. Factors for choosing the Mojo = Awesome bike that is just as good going up as it can rip down, customer service, and they sure are good looking.

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    I went with Vit P partially because it was more unique. Now everyone is getting Vit P!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penny View Post
    Wow...sweet frame but no ISCG?

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    ^ If I remember correctly it does have a replaceable ISCG mount

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    Hitting trails this fall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms View Post


    Hitting trails this fall.
    What's with the link? Seems like a lot of pivots and bearings...what benefit does it provide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim-H View Post
    ^ If I remember correctly it does have a replaceable ISCG mount
    yes, the bb shell is grooved like a free hub so you can slide on a plate to adapt for any iscg standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nenbran View Post
    What's with the link? Seems like a lot of pivots and bearings...what benefit does it provide?
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it have the same amount of bearings and pivots as a DW link or a Maestro?

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    What's the Link?

    FOUR BY 4 LINKAGE

    The Four by 4 Linkage is Knolly Bikes’ patented and proprietary suspension technology. Our suspension design is akin to the most sophisticated multi-linkage systems used in auto racing and provides features and performance unmatched in the mountain bike industry.

    Knolly designs and manufactures two versions of its Four by 4 Linkage: both designs are patented but are aimed at slightly different market segments:
    The original design is used in the Podium and Delirium frames and is optimized for the generally more linear rates of coil spring suspension and long travel high volume air shocks. This design also provides a slightly higher leverage ratio typical of longer travel frames and is designed structurally to handle the highest levels of abuse. It also generates the large radius wheel paths required to achieve superior pedaling performance in longer travel frames while still having incredible sensitivity for amazing technical trail performance.
    The lightweight Four by 4 Linkage is used in the Chilcotin and Endorphin frames. Its design is tailored to the slightly more progressive spring rates of high volume air shocks and has a direct-drive linkage that compliments the lower leverage ratios used in these bikes. It is also more compact and while allowing the use of relatively long stroke shocks still leaves lots of room in the front triangle for both great stand over height and the ability to carry a water bottle in an actually useful location. The lightweight Four by 4 Linkage provides superior traction allowing for exceptional technical climbing and descending abilities in all gear ratios, yet achieves the best pedaling performance capable in any suspension design.

    All of our full suspension frames utilize the patented Four by 4 Linkage design: whether the original or the lightweight design, all Knolly Bikes frames feature amazing pedaling dynamics, superiour traction, great tire clearance, extremely high lateral rigidity for excellent trail tracking, neutral braking forces, great stand over, full length seat tubes, easy to access rear shocks and low maintenance designs. The Knolly Four by 4 Linkage is simply the most sophisticated, highest performance design available in the mountain bike industry – period.

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    Yet another modified single pivot.Yup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huck Pitueee View Post
    Yet another modified single pivot.Yup.
    Nope, that's definitely not a single pivot. It is a true four bar (FSR) linkage with the Knolly 4X4 linkages driving the shock to provide great control over the shock rate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebas69 View Post
    What 2012 All mountain bike will you be buying??

    After seeing the 2012 Spec Enduro Expert Evo, I just fell in love, but will I get $4700 in time?? ))

    i think a 36 fork would make a little more sense on that bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nenbran View Post
    What's with the link? Seems like a lot of pivots and bearings...what benefit does it provide?
    Noel Buckley's 4x4 design is patented & proprietary to Knolly Bikes, and he has no plans to license to any other maker. Most people think the reason you see double linkage in the 4x4 is for added stiffness, when in reality that is just an added bi-product. Where Noel earned his patent is actually IN the double linkage, because they perform a vital role in the suspension philosophy and execution. The double linkage actually separates wheel path from shock progression, which allows Noel to dial each independently depending on intended purpose.

    What does all this mean in terms of performance? Incredible small bump compliance, traction, and fully active travel(even during braking). And I do mean FULLY active.
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    Good job!

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    Hitting trails this fall.
    I like the extra beef on the rear pivot compared to the proto.. now lets see a mf photo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marko G View Post
    i think a 36 fork would make a little more sense on that bike
    why would you buy the EVO model then?
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    Waiting for the new Pivot 5.7 carbon this week!

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    Looking at getting a Lapierre Spicy, not sure if 2011 or 2012 though.

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    Torn between the carbon Yeti SB66 (when it drops, I don't mind waiting), Nomad c and a Remedy 9.9. Really, really tough call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms View Post
    Noel Buckley's 4x4 design is patented & proprietary to Knolly Bikes, and he has no plans to license to any other maker. Most people think the reason you see double linkage in the 4x4 is for added stiffness, when in reality that is just an added bi-product. Where Noel earned his patent is actually IN the double linkage, because they perform a vital role in the suspension philosophy and execution. The double linkage actually separates wheel path from shock progression, which allows Noel to dial each independently depending on intended purpose.

    What does all this mean in terms of performance? Incredible small bump compliance, traction, and fully active travel(even during braking). And I do mean FULLY active.
    Thanks for the explanation!

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    I ride a Giant Reign 2, it was a no brainer... none of its competition was within $500.

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    I'm pretty psyched on a 2012 Remedy. Can't decide between carbon or aluminum.

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    Just ordered my Ibis Mojo HD, in size XL! 6-7 week wait, but I think it will be worth it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms View Post
    Noel Buckley's 4x4 design is patented & proprietary to Knolly Bikes, and he has no plans to license to any other maker. Most people think the reason you see double linkage in the 4x4 is for added stiffness, when in reality that is just an added bi-product. Where Noel earned his patent is actually IN the double linkage, because they perform a vital role in the suspension philosophy and execution. The double linkage actually separates wheel path from shock progression, which allows Noel to dial each independently depending on intended purpose.

    What does all this mean in terms of performance? Incredible small bump compliance, traction, and fully active travel(even during braking). And I do mean FULLY active.
    I thought the Spec Demo DH bikes did the exact same thing, (having one link control shock progression and another handle swing arm duties). Wonder how they missed the opportunity to get another suspension patent? Wonder how Noel's patent will fare when the Specialized horst link patent expires? Does he still have to pay Spec to use the horst link?

    Seems like you could add a horst link to a Yeti swing link bike and get most of the suspension performance of the Knolly design with allot less weight!

    (NOBODY MAKE THAT BIKE I"M PATENTING THE IDEA AS i TYPE!!!!!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_terrible_1 View Post
    Torn between the carbon Yeti SB66 (when it drops, I don't mind waiting), Nomad c and a Remedy 9.9. Really, really tough call.
    I would think the NomadC is a bit of a different beast than the other two bikes...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrniceguy42 View Post
    Wow...sweet frame but no ISCG?
    Looks like no room! I wonder if it would be worth the industry looking into just doing a 2 bolt ISG standard that just bolted down below? Seems like some companies are having a hard time with that top bolt being in the way of suspension bits!
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    Quote Originally Posted by stiingya View Post
    Looks like no room! I wonder if it would be worth the industry looking into just doing a 2 bolt ISG standard that just bolted down below? Seems like some companies are having a hard time with that top bolt being in the way of suspension bits!
    Its removable, you can put a blank, an 05 or an "old" on there.



    I would think the NomadC is a bit of a different beast than the other two bikes...?
    I'm still waiting for my SB-66 frame but it should end up somewhat like this ( coil + 36 up front )
    http://www.sicklines.com/2011/07/22/...66-coil-setup/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penny View Post
    That's my choice!!

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