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    2011 Voodoo Zobop - My first FS bike

    I just bought my first full suspension frame, a 2011 Voodoo Zobop. Ive been riding since 1992 and ive been on hardtails the entire time. Recently I've become FS curious so i decided it was time to give it a whirl. My plan is to swap over most of the components from my current bike.

    I'm pretty excited to ride it for the first time, but I had to order a few new parts and they won't be here till Wednesday.

    Until then I thought I'd ask for some opinions on the frame. Here are the pics:

    Box






    Head tube emblem which I think is pretty cool.


    Close up.


    Down tube logo.


    Top tube logo.


    Decent welds.


    From the bottom.


    Rear triangle welds.


    More welds.


    Top linkage.


    Bottom linkage.


    Frame shock. Rockshox Monarch RT3.


    I'll post more pics as I get it assembled. I should have it completed on Thursday, which incidentally is my 37th birthday!

    Just a quick run down of the build:

    Fork: Rockshox Recon Race Solo Air, 120mm, PopLock, 20mm Thru Axle
    Headset: Cane Creek 40-Series ZS44/ZS56
    Wheels: Sun Rhyno Lite
    Hubs: Shimano Saint M800
    Tires: WTB Velociraptor 2.1
    Brakes: Shimano Deore XT M765, 203mm Rotors
    Bottom Bracket: Race Face X-Type
    Crank: Race Face Evolve DH, 36T Single
    Chain: Shimano HG73
    Chain Guide: E.Thirteen SS+
    Pedals: Crank Brothers Mallet 1
    Cassette: Shimano HG80 9-Speed 11-34
    Shifter: Shimano XT M770
    Derailleur: Shimano Saint M801 (1x9 setup, no FD)
    Seatpost: Raceface Evolve
    Collar: Salsa Liplock
    Saddle: Brooks Bomber, Copper Rails
    Grips: ODI Lock On
    Stem: Atom Lab Pimplite 38mm
    Bar: Easton Monkey Lite Hi Rise Carbon

    My future plan is to upgrade the fork. Voodoo recommends a 140mm-150mm travel fork and my Recon is only 120mm.

    My other concern is that the 140mm-150mm forks I've looked at have about 35mm longer axle-to-crown length than my Recon. I read somewhere that 35mm less in length equates to about a 1.5 degree difference in effective steerer tube angle. Voodoo specs say the Zobop has a 68 degree headtube, so I'm looking at a roughly 69.5 degree effective head tube angle. I've seen loads if bikes with headtubes steeper than 69.5mm. So I think ill be ok running my Recon fork until I'm ready to buy the correct fork.

    Maybe I'm way off and have wrong info on the fork length issue. Someone with more experience might have better insight on this. What do you guys think?

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    That bike begs for a Rev. I wouldn't bother building it up with that Recon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motochick View Post
    That bike begs for a Rev. I wouldn't bother building it up with that Recon.
    Yes, a Rockshox Revelation, that is the plan. Unfortunately, I don't have an extra $700 for a new fork at the moment. I think the Recon will serve just fine for a couple of months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loginfailed View Post
    Maybe I'm way off and have wrong info on the fork length issue. Someone with more experience might have better insight on this. What do you guys think?
    Your bike will feel a bit nicer once you've got a 150mm fork on it to match the back.

    But in the mean time it'll be fine, it's not going to explode or hurl you over the bars at a moments notice do anything terribly drastic.

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    Plenty of nice used 2010's out there...I had a 2010 and liked it better then my new one. BTW, I did NOT pay anywhere near $700 for mine. Shop around.

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    Or if on a budget, get a Sektor rather than the Recon. At least then you'll have the geometry the bike is meant for up front.
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    I already own the Recon. It's a 2010 fork that's only about 8 months old. Still in perfect condition. So this IS the budget route

    I'm not a fan of used forks because I don't know how they've been treated. I have no problem buying a new less expensive fork right now, but I'd prefer to wait a month or two to get the one I want, rather than cheaping out and regretting it later.

    I need a 1.125-1.500 tapered steerer, 150mm travel, 20mm thru axle and I'd prefer it to be Black. Those are my requirements. There are not a lot of choices that meet those specs.

    The fork I plan to buy is the Revelation RLT Ti. Part number is 00.4015.552.120. The least expensive I've found it is $673 shipped.
    http://www.modernbike.com/itemgroup....182860&TID=367

    Any other forks you know of that fit these specs?

    So what do y'all think of the frame? Anything look odd or out of place? Anything that looks good? I haven't really seen any reviews on it other than industry writers who rode prototypes of it. As far as I can tell I may be one of the first people to take a chance on one of these (or at least to post online about it).

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    that frames sweet, where did you buy it from?
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    Thats a sweet frame.

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    It looks like they have made some changes to the bottom link since the prototype ... I am having a hard time resisting the urge to replace my Canzo 26 frame with a Zobop
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    nice!

    frame weight?
    I'd hit it, but I bruise like a peach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mecca_1996 View Post
    that frames sweet, where did you buy it from?
    I bought it from Sun and Ski Sports. They don't stock Voodoo, but they can special order it from BTI. BTI is Voodoo's USA distributor and they have a store locator so you can find a dealer close to you.
    http://www.bti-usa.com/public/store_locator

    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETREK View Post
    Thats a sweet frame.
    Thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoke2 View Post
    It looks like they have made some changes to the bottom link since the prototype ... I am having a hard time resisting the urge to replace my Canzo 26 frame with a Zobop
    The bike manager where I bought the frame also has a Canzo 26 and hinted that he may be swapping frames for a Zobop. So you are not alone!

    Yea, I noticed the lower link is different. Other things I noticed...

    The rear triangle is the same color as the frame as opposed to black like I've seen in the prototypes.


    They ditched the extra bracing at the head tube. Not sure about the larger sizes, but mine is a 16". Maybe one of the larger sizes still has the brace. Who knows... The welds look decent, hopefully its strong. If not, I have a warranty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpnic View Post
    nice!

    frame weight?
    Thanks! Sorry, I did not weigh it yet, but the USA distributor, BTI claims that the 18" version weights 7.3 lbs (with shock). But mine is a 16" so it may be slightly less.

    http://www.bti-usa.com/public/item/VD1221


    http://www.bti-usa.com/public/catego...page=11#VD1221


    Personally, I'm not too worried about weight. I have lost 55 lbs since February. I was riding mountain bikes at 212 lbs and now I'm riding at 157 lbs. A couple lbs here or there on the bike is not even on my radar. If you check my components list up top, most of it is pretty heavy so I wouldn't be surprised if this thing weighs over 35 lbs fully built.

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    it seems like that frame may be a little flexy from side to side with the way the pivots are made without much bracing in between but i could be wrong.
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    Yes I see what you are saying.

    The upper link doesn't have any bracing where it meets the rear triangle. Its linked at the seat tube, braced at the little cross bar in the middle and linked at the upper shock mount. But the rear triangle has a brace across the top pretty close to where the upper link attaches. The rear triangle is also braced in the front (parallel to the seat tube) pretty well. The lower link looks pretty strong due to the fact that its so short.

    I guess it all depends on the strength of materials and the quality of the welds. We shall see, only time will tell! I should have thus thing rolling Wednesday night and get to test ride it Thursday morning. I'll be sure to report back.

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    Some of the parts I ordered came in yesterday via UPS so I was able to get the bike mostly assembled. That means more pics!

    The e.thirteen SS+ chain guide.



    As you can see in the picture above, the SS+ came with it's own bash guard. I prefer the look of my Race Face bash guard so I used the Race face one instead. Here you can also see the trusty Crank Brothers Mallet 1 Pedals.



    The Zobop frame does NOT have ISCG tabs so I had to use a bottom bracket mounting adapter. It took me a few tries of installing and removing the bottom bracket and cranks to get everything lined up and get the chainline where I wanted.

    Another thing that came up was that the Race Face Evolve DH cranks were built to have a granny ring. The SS+ is made for no granny ring so when the crank arm was tightened up, the granny ring mounting holes rubbed on the SS+. So I taped off the spline and bolt area and headed over to the bench grinder to grind the granny ring mounts off.



    Here you can see better what I mean.



    I figured I may as well get a new bottom bracket. There's nothing wrong with my old one but no sense taking a chance. On my old frame I have an Evolve DH bottom bracket. I tried to find another one but most places didn't have any so I just went with a Race XC model.





    I originally had 160mm rotors. I decided since its all apart, why not go for bigger rotors... With M800 Saint hubs, the Centerlock splines are oversized. It's getting tough to find rotors for these hubs but luckily I found a pair of 203mm rotors on eBay Canada for a decent price.



    SM-RT80 is the part number in case anyone needs rotors for M800 Saint hubs.



    Lizard Skins fork boots.



    XT Calipers





    El Cheapo, heavy (but strong!) Sun Rhyno Lite wheels.



    Brooks Bomber saddle with copper rails. Race Face Evolve seat post. Salsa Lip Lock seat post collar.



    Shimano Saint M801 rear derailleur. It's a little scraped up but still works great.



    The head tube is tapered but I'm using a 1-1/8" non-tapered fork. To do this the easiest way is use Cane Creek stuff. They sell the upper and lower parts separately so that you can mix and match to get what you need.

    I ordered a regular 1-1/8" zero-stack upper and the 1-1/2" to 1-1/8" adapter zero-stack lower. I ordered them from the same place but they shipped from 2 different warehouses. The lower one showed up first so I just temporarily re-used the upper part of my previous headset so I could assemble the bike. I'll just swap the upper part on Wednesday when the new one arrives.

    Bottom "adapter" headset. Fits a 1-1/2" head tube but allows 1-1/8" fork to be used.



    That's about all I got for now.. I still need to swap the upper headset, install the shifter/derailleur cable and put a chain on it. Then it's time to test this beast out.

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    looks good but lose the fork boots, they do more harm than good.

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    I love the frame, but the build looks to put you over 40 pounds!
    I'd hit it, but I bruise like a peach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ROG30Y View Post
    it seems like that frame may be a little flexy from side to side with the way the pivots are made without much bracing in between but i could be wrong.


    Looking back through the original frame pictures, it appears both top and bottom links do have lateral supports.
    I'd hit it, but I bruise like a peach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-kul View Post
    looks good but lose the fork boots, they do more harm than good.
    +1 the boots will trap dirt
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    Looking great until you put the condoms on.

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    Thanks for the suggestions on the fork boots. I take them off after every ride and clean the fork and the boots. I've had great success in keeping my forks in good shape over the years. I'll think about taking them off. But I probably won't

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpnic View Post
    I love the frame, but the build looks to put you over 40 pounds!
    I'm not all that concerned with the weight, but your 40lb figure peaked my curiosity. So I researched weights online and calculated how much more the new bike will weigh.

    If my calculations are close at all, it looks like I'll be adding 4.7lbs over what my old bike was. The old bike was 29.6lbs so I'm looking at roughly 34.3 lbs total. Not too bad, really.

    If so inclined, I could look into swapping a few components down the road for lighter versions. I'll see how the extra weight feels. As I said earlier, Ive recently lost 55 lbs of body weight. So a slightly heavier bike, I doubt I will notice!

    The reason I originally bought all of the heavier duty components last year is because I was 212 lbs and wanted something that would hold up to the abuse I put it through. Now that Im a lot lighter, I can get away with some lighter components. So as time goes on, I might get the weight weenie itch. But as of now I'm not concerned about the weight. My wallet is too empty right now anyway, haha!

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    add .5 to 1 pound to that number. i dont know where it comes from but it always seems to be the case when comparing calculated vs real weight.

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    Hn[QUOTE=ROG30Y;8274410]it seems like that frame may be a little flexy from side to side with the way the pivots are made without much bracing in between but i could be wrong.[/QUOT

    I have pedaled a few prototypes as well as a production frame. Flex was not an issue out back,bikes rode very solid on some techy advanced trails here in N. AZ.E]

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    I just finished assembling the bike. I only rode it around the block in my neighborhood so far.

    Initial thoughts are:

    • Is the back tire flat?
    • The front end sits too low. (knew that ahead of time due to wrong fork)
    • The cockpit feels slightly cramped.
    • I miss my offset seat post.
    • I need a slightly longer stem.


    I weighed the bike and it came out to 34.2 lbs, which is 0.1 lbs lighter than I calculated. It could be that maybe the 16" is 0.1 lbs lighter than the 18".

    I have a couple of different stems to try so that should be easily remedied. None of my set back seat posts are the right diameter so I'll have to make due till I can order one.

    Something's up with my chainline. I thought I had it lined up with the 5th cog on the cassette, but it's more in line with the 4th. So when it's on the big cog, the chain is at a pretty crazy looking angle. I'll have to fiddle with the crank & bottom bracket spacers some more to get that sorted.

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    interested to hear more detailed ride reports. thinking of getting a zobop and sektor to replace my xam and 55.

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    If it does not rain tomorrow, I'll be taking it out for it's maiden voyage. I'll be sure to report back.

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    I've had a couple chances to ride the bike now. I rode for 2 hours on Thursday and 6.5 hours on Saturday.

    The cockpit on the Zobop is definitely a bit shorter that my previous bike. After my ride on Thursday, I ended up swapping from the short Atom Lab Pimp Lite stem to an 85mm Easton Vice AM stem. I also moved the seat back as far as it will go. That seemed to help a lot, but I think I'll look for a seat post with more setback also.

    On Saturday I had a pretty gnarly spill about 30 minutes into it and rearranged my face a bit. But I kept on riding for another 6 hours. I have a knot on my forehead, a black eye, a skinned knee, a bruised thigh and a busted lip. It looks a lot worse than it feels.

    As far as the bike goes, the fall wasn't the bikes fault really. The terrain we were on was very rocky and the rocks were small and loose. I was really enjoying myself and just got going into a turn a bit faster than my guardian angel could fly.

    The bike performed really well. Climbing is much improved over my previous bike and there were sections where I would normally spin the tire but did not spin on the Zobop. Seems like the rear end sticks to the ground a bit better for sure.

    Ive never piloted a FS bike before and have read of pedal bob issues. I was quite surprised that with the Zobop I didn't really notice any bob at all. Could be my lack of experience, but I never felt like the suspension was stealing any of my pedaling effort.

    Small to medium bumps seemed to be well damped, but coming from a hard tail I'm not that picky. I can say that after riding for 6.5 hours I had no pain from the saddle.

    I never encountered any large drops, but the bike seemed to handle 1' to 2' drops without complaint.

    After a 6+ hour ride I have reevaluated my 36t chainring choice. Towards the end of the ride, I was just wishing for a lower gear, lol. I just ordered a 32t ring which I think will be just the right amount of speed vs climbing ability for my needs.

    My Rockshox Recon seems to be working pretty well with the Zobop frame. But I can't help thinking that the steeper head angle induced by its shorter axle to crown length may have contributed to my fall since a roughly 1.5 degree difference in head angle might have helped with the overall stability. I'd really like to place the blame there, but its probably just due to my lack of skill, lol.

    For the money I spent I would say the frame was worth it. I'm sure there are many other options out there that cost more for the same performance. I'm happy with it and that's what counts.

    Saturday two friends and I rode at Rocky Hill Ranch in Smithville, TX. Here is a run keeper activity record of our ride on Saturday. We aren't really fast but we make up for it with enthusiasm! By the end of the ride we all had leg cramps we were so worn out!
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    Thanks for reading.

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    Love the frame. I am pretty suprised you picked the downhill Saint stuff.. Some cheaper SLX or X9 stuff would be lighter and more appropriate for the type of frame you are riding IMO. Also, a nice wheel upgrade would really lighten the bike up a bit. I'd love the see a pic of the complete bike without the fork guards Like I said, the frame is gorgeous.
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    I actually purchased most of the heavy components when I was building my previous bike. At that time I weighed 212 pounds and my main goal was strength so as to avoid breaking something each time I rode it.

    Now that I'm at 153 pounds, I could certainly lighten up the components. But I can't afford to replace everything all at once. My plan is to replace an item here and there and eventually end up with a respectably light bike.

    Last night I ordered a set of Crank Brothers Egg Beater 3 pedals which are more than 1/2 pound lighter than my Mallet 1's. So there is the first heavy item to go.

    When I get time, I'll pull the boots and post a pic of the fork naked just for you

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    153 from 212??? HOLY CRAP DUDE! Great work man. That is hardcore weightloss dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauldotcom View Post
    153 from 212??? HOLY CRAP DUDE! Great work man. That is hardcore weightloss dude.
    Thanks! Yea the Zobop was a combination of 50 lbs lost and birthday present to myself.

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    Today I changed out the Race Face 36t chainring for a Salsa 32t chainring. I also changed out the Crank Brothers Mallet 1's for the Egg Beater 3's.

    Took a few pics (without the condoms, as requested):













    About to go out for a ride. Anxious to see how much difference I notice in the gearing going from 36t to 32t. The bike shop said my chain was a link too short judging by my derailleur's positioning in the lowest gear. Looks like the smaller ring may have remedied that so there's a small bonus (not having to lengthen the chain).

    The Egg Beater 3 pedals appear to have a slightly shorter axle so I'm curious if there will be any interference between my shoes and the crank arms. Looks like if there is, it will be minimal. But in the event there is too much contact, is it common to put a couple washers in to space the pedal away from the crank arm?

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    my eggbeaters had a slighty shorter axle than my acids, not enough to cause any problems though. bike looks sick, once you get a proper fork on that thing it will be s beast!

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    You're right about the pedals. I did not notice any issues at all with the shorter axles. I really like the Egg Beaters. They seem much easier to clip in and out if than the Mallets.

    The 32t chainring is perfect for my needs. Now I have just the right amount of granny but still have the ability to reach higher speeds when needed. As I suspected, my derailleur looks to be under less stress in the higher gear now.

    Another thing I noticed with the smaller chainring is that now I'm less likely to need the largest cog, so I stay closer to the middle of the cassette more of the time. In a 1x9 setup, the chain makes some pretty crazy angles at the innermost and outermost cog of the cassette. So staying closer to the middle is probably a good thing for drivetrain wear.

    I hear you on the fork. I really want that Revelation RLT Ti. It'll have to wait a few months though. I've got too many projects in the works and need to cool it on the bike stuff for a little bit.

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    very nice build. I normally ride my xxix pro out at smithville. that bike begs to be ridden at camp eagle, comfort, or reville peak ranch. (thats where i normally take my khs 555 xct to ride instead of the hardtail). the sektor rides as good as the revelation- i have ridden both.

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    here's another Zobop

    I've taken it on a few trail rides already (with some road riding to get to the trailhead) and for a 5.5" FS bike it sure does pedal nicely - even with the rear shock's Motion Control lever in the middle position. Once on the dirt I leave the shock at full open.

    I've also ridden a Canzo29 and the Zobop with it's VPP-style suspension has less bob.

    The bike also climbs great when seated, and surprisingly well when you have to stand and mash. Could also be due to the tire choice, tire pressure, wide rim.

    I think the fork needs a few more rides to wear in and get more supple.

    More ride reports as the mileage racks up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by droptop View Post
    very nice build. I normally ride my xxix pro out at smithville. that bike begs to be ridden at camp eagle, comfort, or reville peak ranch. (thats where i normally take my khs 555 xct to ride instead of the hardtail). the sektor rides as good as the revelation- i have ridden both.
    Thanks!

    I forgot to update the thread, but I did end up buying a fork back in November I think. I went with a DT Swiss EXC 150. So far its been very good. No complaints at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by agu View Post
    I've taken it on a few trail rides already (with some road riding to get to the trailhead) and for a 5.5" FS bike it sure does pedal nicely - even with the rear shock's Motion Control lever in the middle position. Once on the dirt I leave the shock at full open.

    I've also ridden a Canzo29 and the Zobop with it's VPP-style suspension has less bob.

    The bike also climbs great when seated, and surprisingly well when you have to stand and mash. Could also be due to the tire choice, tire pressure, wide rim.

    I think the fork needs a few more rides to wear in and get more supple.

    More ride reports as the mileage racks up.
    Nice, I haven't really looked much since I first built mine, but yours is the first Zobop I've seen besides my own. I'm surprised these aren't more popular. I've had nothing but positive experiences with mine.

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