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    2006 GF Cake 2 DLX opinions

    I have a chance to buy a used GF CAKE 2 DLX FOR 600. The bike is in new condition. Only ridden a few times and stored. Is it a good beginner all mountain bike? I am 240 lbs so I want something that will hold up.

    Thanks for any opinions!

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    It has a lot of good reviews, but I dont think I would spend $600 on it.

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    2006 Gary Fisher Cake 2 DLX - New and Used Bike Value

    According to bicycle blue book that price is about right. Looking at that bike, it is very similar to a Kona I picked up (spec wise). I paid $560 for mine, he was asking $750. I think if you can pick that up for around $550 it'd be a good deal.
    I am about the same weight as you, and was looking at a couple GFs myself, specifically a HiFi. They were known to have problems with the rear triangle snapping, especially with heavier riders. This pushed me away from the HiFi...you may want to just check that out.

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    I might offer $400, after all in new condition or not its an eight year old bike.
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    I had a cake dlx and it was a pretty awful bike. Stupid high BB meant it handled like a dog and the chain growth/feedback was the deal breaker. Life got better when I sold that one! Sorry to burst your bubble but a trance x or stumpjumper will serve you far better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beardi View Post
    I had a cake dlx and it was a pretty awful bike. Stupid high BB meant it handled like a dog and the chain growth/feedback was the deal breaker. Life got better when I sold that one! Sorry to burst your bubble but a trance x or stumpjumper will serve you far better.

    Sorry beardi, but it doesn't appear you know what your talking about.

    I would not listen to his advice. The 26" giant trance x and 26" stumper jumper fsr have higher bottom brackets than the cake. More than a 1/2" "stupider".

    Fisher cake BB: 12.6"
    Giant trance x BB: 13.2"
    Stumpjumper BB: 13.2"

    The cake came with a SPV rear shock which is tricky to set up right and requires getting the proper amount of air in both chambers. If you do not set it up correctly there will be either unwanted pedal bob or a not so plush rear end. When set up correctly, the rear end is very plush and with the damper turned up almost no bob/pedal feedback. Since beardi doesn't know how to tell if one BB is higher or lower than another, I would guess he never set the rear shock up correctly. Again, sorry beardi

    As for handling, the "smarter" lower BB, plus a chain-stay shorter than stump jumper's and over .7" shorter than totally stupid retarded dumb 17.1" long chain-stay on the giant trance means much tighter cornering for the cake. This plus the lower BB giving a lower center of gravity gives the cake better overall handling than the trance or stumpy. Also, sag set up on any bike can really effect handling. For the best handling, run around 25% to 30% sag. This gets you nice and low and allows the suspension to work properly.

    Another advantage on the cake for a bigger guy, like me at 6'4 240lbs, is that the cake has a very, very stiff rear end with little flex. The GF HiFi as mentioned to have a rear end that can break had a completely different rear triangle with links. The cake also has a longer top tube than the trance x or the stumpy. A whole inch longer than the trance x and about 3/4" longer than the stumpy. This means you can run a shorter stem for better stability and decreased likelihood of endoing.

    I have demoed both the '08 trance and stumpy as well as many other bikes and I like the low BB height, short chain-stay and long top tube geometry of the cake better. I still ride the **** out of my '04 fish cake to this day. Frame is in solid shape and I have only had to rebuild the pivot once, due to the '04 model having a known issue with the original pivot. Almost every other part has been replaced due to aggressive ridding on technical singletracks in Chico for the first 5 years I owned the bike and in North Lake Tahoe for the following 5 years I have owned the bike. I like chunk and drops and more chunk And the cake performs very well on the 6 mile, black/double black diamond, all down hill Watson Creek singletrack and the very fun, with lots of built features Bear Market singletrack up here in North Lake Tahoe.

    I have a Fox RP23 rear shock on it now and it is much easier to set up than the original SPV shock. With the RP23 set to climb mode, there is almost no bob when climbing which is a necessity when riding from 6.5k to over 9k. Also, the cake is a single pivot with no links, so it is very plush and has great small bump compliance.

    You can easily fit a high volume 2.5" wide tire in the rear which is nice for bigger riders and that gives the bike over 27" of wheel diameter close to the wheel diameter of a 2.2" 650b tire.

    Finally, the cake is a very solid and well built bike made here in the good ole USA The giant trance was made in Taiwan or China and I think the stumpy was made in Taiwan as well. Nuf said there.
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    Well, now you know that the Cake was one of the best bikes ever, you may have to offer $800 now thanks to that post...Like said above, this is an old bike, if you go for it offer well below five.

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    Sorry for the extra post, forgot to ention above that I tried to sell my 2005 Enduro last year, it's a better spec. Than the Cake but still same vintage technology. I started at $800 and went down, and guess what? i now own a 9 year old Enduro. it's still a fun bike, I still ride it hard and enjoy it. But the market for bikes this old, unless everything is top of line and in great shape, is very very thin. The only thing people were interested in was the rear King wheel.

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    I don't know about one of the best bikes ever, but it's a good bike with good reviews aside from chain suck, which was caused by the old pivots from the first year. I see the cakes go for around $500 to $600 on craigs list. I would shoot for that range. Like cjsb said its and older bike and mtb's do not hold value well. $800 is very high IMO. Also, remember that the bike has 2006 technology regardless of the condition. That's a 2006 fork and rear shock. Geometry is solid however, but my cake definitely performs much better with newer tech I upgraded to which adds up in $.

    Sorry for the long rant about the cake, but I was bored last night waiting for the kid to go down. I was looking into a new bike around '08 and that's why I became very aware of the geometry of the cake since I was looking for a similar feel but with better tech. Decided to upgrade parts instead and now I am looking for a 29er to add to my stable. I have been through a lot of bikes, but hold onto the ones I like a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by singletrackmack View Post
    I don't know about one of the best bikes ever, but it's a good bike with good reviews aside from chain suck, which was caused by the old pivots from the first year. I see the cakes go for around $500 to $600 on craigs list. I would shoot for that range. Like cjsb said its and older bike and bikes mtb do not hold value well. $800 is very high IMO. Also, remember that the bike has 2006 technology regardless of the condition. That's a 2006 fork and rear shock. Geometry is solid however, but my cake definitely performs much better with newer tech I upgraded to which adds up in $.

    Sorry for the long rant about the cake, but I was bored last night waiting for the kid to go down. I was looking into a new bike around '08 and that's why I became very aware of the geometry of the cake since I was looking for a similar feel but with better tech. Decided to upgrade parts instead and now I am looking for a 29er to add to my stable. I have been through a lot of bikes, but hold onto the ones I like a lot.
    Yeah, my biggest piece of "wisdom" to share could have been stated much shorter. The market is thin for this voltage bike, so don't negotiate against yourself. You may be the only person with serious interest so offer low and walk away if they won't budge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singletrackmack View Post
    Sorry beardi, but it doesn't appear you know what your talking about.

    I would not listen to his advice. The 26" giant trance x and 26" stumper jumper fsr have higher bottom brackets than the cake. More than a 1/2" "stupider".

    Since beardi doesn't know how to tell if one BB is higher or lower than another, I would guess he never set the rear shock up correctly. Again, sorry beardi

    This means you can run a shorter stem for better stability and decreased likelihood of endoing.


    Also, the cake is a single pivot with no links, so it is very plush and has great small bump compliance.

    Finally, the cake is a very solid and well built bike made here in the good ole USA The giant trance was made in Taiwan or China and I think the stumpy was made in Taiwan as well. Nuf said there.
    Firstly....be careful taking advice from anyone who uses the term "endoing"


    I'm not sure where you got your figures but they are incorrect. 12.6 BB would make it one of the lowest bikes on the market; in fact as low as many specialist 4x bikes. Having actually owned both a 2006 cake dlx and a 2008 stumpy (and spent a lot of time on a friends trance x) I can tell you that the BB is higher by a significant margin. I found a geometry chart on MTBR that stated 13.5 but it rides like its even higher. Is it possible you are talking about the non dlx cake model?

    I've not had any trouble setting any of my shocks up thus far. I'm well aware of the SPV on the manitou. Conveniently for the owner it allows you the ability to either have a plush (read pedal bob) rear end OR dial in some air in the SPV and have no small bump compliance what so ever. Also brilliant that there is no switch to turn the SPV off so once its set you have no on the fly adjustment at all.

    How does a single pivot automatically mean plush and great small bump compliance? Wouldn't this then mean that the opposite is true and that is would pedal like a pig? Shock platforms are a terrible substitute for good suspension design.

    Taiwan is the centre for the bike industry for good reason. They make high quality products at excellent prices. You cannot convince me that the good old USA is vastly superior in bike production quality.....just look at how bad your motor vehicles are!

    You obviously love your Cake, I did not. In fact it is, by some margin the worst full suspension bike I have owned or ridden. Not trying to push some agenda nor am I a fanboy of the other bikes mentioned. I personally just think the OP is better off on something else because I never felt comfortable on the bike in 2 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singletrackmack View Post
    I don't know about one of the best bikes ever, but it's a good bike with good reviews aside from chain suck, which was caused by the old pivots from the first year. I
    So my 2006 cake, which was the last year produced had huge chain suck issues. Your "old pivot" theory is incorrect.

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    I would like to say that how good or bad a bike feels is mostly dependent on what the rider likes. As you can tell from my posts, I like the way the cake rides. However, I am a clydesdale with very long arms and love the feel of the long top tube and short chain-stay along with the low BB, especially with 30% sag. I have friends that do not like the feel of the long top tube at all, so its what feels good to you and you didn't like the feel of this geometry which is all good. I didn't mention that I liked the 08 stumpy fsr quite a lot, just wished it had a little longer top tube to match my long arms. I was not a fan of the giant though, I didn't like the feel of the long chain stay along with the very short top tube. It didn't fit me well and seem slow in the corners, but that my opinion.

    As for the Cake 2 DLX BB, below are the specs for 2004 and 2005 model. I don't have the 06 model specs, but I would think they wouldn't be that far off these since they did not change between '04 and '05, but I could be wrong. If they are different, then I apologize for saying your opinion shouldn't be trusted, and even if they are the same I still should apologize. I don't know you and therefore shouldn't say not to trust your opinion. I am sorry.

    I would say that the BB height when riding FS bikes will vary depending on sag. More sag, lower BB, and fisher recommends to run between 25% and 30% and I know a lot of riders who think that's way to much.

    IMO, American made is better. I have been mountain biking since '91, and have been thru many bikes. The ones I still own are all American made because the others either had issues or the frames cracked, like on my Bridgestone MB2, which was top ramen. I still own my original '91 trek 970 Singletrack, my first mtb. Just brought it to the LBS last week to get the BB replaced. This is the first issue I have had with that bike which is now close to a quarter of a century old. Bike is very well made.

    As far as foreign cars being better quality, many foreign cars are made here in the US like Honda, Hyundai, BMW, Mercedes, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Toyota and Volkswagen. I consider these to be made with quality.

    Edit:guess it wouldn't be fair not to list all the quality cars that Taiwan makes so, um let's see, what quality cars are made in Taiwan? Hmm. Ah yes the Luxgen. Oh and who could forget the Yulon. Those brands make me think of quality all the way.

    For the term "endo" those who have been mountain biking for a long time use this word, especially here in Nor Cal, but the kids here use it too, like the techs at my LBS. However, we also use the word "hella" a hella of a lot also which drives my so cal friends crazy
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    Quote Originally Posted by cjsb View Post
    Well, now you know that the Cake was one of the best bikes ever, you may have to offer $800 now thanks to that post...Like said above, this is an old bike, if you go for it offer well below five.
    Wow. Hope I never have to sell you anything. I have a 2006 cake. Nice bike. Bit of a wimpy rear pivot, but nice bike. Certainly worth $600 if barely ridden. Not like the bike has gone off like a piece of old fish or something.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSandor View Post
    Wow. Hope I never have to sell you anything. I have a 2006 cake. Nice bike. Bit of a wimpy rear pivot, but nice bike. Certainly worth $600 if barely ridden. Not like the bike has gone off like a piece of old fish or something.


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    Yeah, i was over-the-top in my response on how low to go with price. Still, buying something that old from that brand is a higher risk in my opinion and the market could have very few buyers. " No reason to offer asking price " would have been a better response.

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