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    Which 125-130mm, slack Trail bike?

    Looking for a light weight, 125-130 mm, trail bike on the slack side (67.5-68*HA). It seems like a few of these bikes are popping up. I want a bike I can ride all day but still have fun on the downs.

    Bikes that I would like to try:
    Yeti ASR5
    Transition Bandit
    SC Blur TRc (too pricey for me)

    Are there any others out there I should be looking at?

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    If you want to go even slacker, check out the banshee spitfire
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    trance x with a 150mm fork fits the bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 'size View Post
    trance x with a 150mm fork fits the bill.
    would like to keep the fork travel at 140mm max. I already have a bigger bike so I would like to keep the overlap to a minimum.

    Thanks. I do like how Giants ride. I used to have a Reign X.

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    Specialized Camber FSR Expert 2012, Trek fuel ex 7 and up 2012.

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    I'm picking up my Bandit either tomorrow or Friday, assuming all the parts arrived. I'll post back with impressions Saturday or Sunday eve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightofthefleming View Post
    If you want to go even slacker, check out the banshee spitfire
    This. Price is right and they are SO much fun!!! Most fun trail bike I've ever ridden.

    Have FUN!

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    Kona Tanuki?

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    If you think its too expensive, don't try the blur TRc because you'll end up buying it. I was very impressed with the one I demoed.

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    Rumor is they've slacked the EX line by Trek. I have a 2010, and it's 69* I believe. I'm toying with a slacker headset but haven't been able to find anyone who has done it on one of these bikes. I will say my EX has been awesome though... easy to climb with and still somewhat fun on the descents.

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    I'm running a On-One 456 Summer Season with an old Fox Talas (85mm-125mm) fork. Been lots of fun so far. Head angle is something like 67 deg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robncircus View Post
    Rumor is they've slacked the EX line by Trek. I have a 2010, and it's 69* I believe. I'm toying with a slacker headset but haven't been able to find anyone who has done it on one of these bikes. I will say my EX has been awesome though... easy to climb with and still somewhat fun on the descents.
    They did some but the BB is still kinda high for my taste.


    I love my Spitfire. I've demoed a ASR-5 and much prefer the Spitty. The Yeti felt more like a big XC bike, the Spitfire's light and pedals well and all that, but still felt way more like something I could really rail on the descents. Super happy with it.

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    G-AIR, just getting back to you. I've ridden the Bandit about 20 miles so far, half of that uphill. I posted some general thoughts about it in the Bandit thread in the Transition forum. No complaints, great geometry that works for me at least, reasonably priced, good cable routing and details like that.

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    I'm pretty happy with my Nickel. It's like a Superlight put on a weighlifting program.


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    Cove Hustler XC. Made for 140mm forks and has a 67.5 HA.

    It's way more heavy duty than an "XC bike" though.

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    To the OP, you could look into what bikes you like and, are able to run a cane creek angleset to make the bike more slack if need be.
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    What is your definition of trail bike? I have a motolite and with a light fork and wheels feels very XC-ish. Throw a Pike and beefy wheels on it and it feels much less XC.

    The Chumba vf2 might fit the bill. Slack and built for a 140mm fork. The XCL in a way more on the AM side of the spectrum. SC BLT is gonna be one of the better options too.

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    Ragley looks like they're putting together something that fits the bill... though one may have to wait awhile before these even get to market

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    Thanks everybody for all the suggestions.

    Definitely looking at the Tr Bandit. Its probably the most economical with all the features I want.

    I already have an AM hardtail and a bigger bike, so those suggestions are out. I really just want something that I can build light, ride all day, climbs well, but still fun on the way down.

    For right now it looks like the Bandit and the Yeti ASR5. I like the Speci Camber but it doesn't look like I can get a frame only. I think there will be a bunch of choices in this catagory in the near future. Knolly has plans with the Endo SL.

    Thanks again.

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    I built a Transition Bandit recently at about 26.25 lbs, with XO 2x10, Stans wheels, Reverb post. I can't compare it to other bikes on your list because I haven't ridden them, but I can tell you it is a very fun bike. Very playful on the descents, bumps, and small jumps. Back end feels lively and the bike begs to be flicked around corners and over bumps. Climbs well, and climbing technique limits me more than anything about the bike (head angle, rear suspension, etc). Basically, it's a blast to ride, and on long rides too (3-4 hours are all I've had a chance to do yet, but feels great).

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    Quote Originally Posted by robncircus View Post
    Rumor is they've slacked the EX line by Trek. I have a 2010, and it's 69* I believe. I'm toying with a slacker headset but haven't been able to find anyone who has done it on one of these bikes. I will say my EX has been awesome though... easy to climb with and still somewhat fun on the descents.
    I put the Cane Creek angle set in my 2010 Remedy 9.9. I went with the 1 degree cup and has slackened my bike to a 66 degree HA. The cup sticks out of the bottom of the HT on the Trek E2 HT and that adds 1 degree of slack it's self. I absolutely love it!! Feels good, still climbs great and even better on descents. I was going to put one in my '11 Fuel EX 9.7, but I bought this Remedy and selling the Fuel. It would have been an excellent upgrade to my Fuel though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbigisbudgood View Post
    It's like a Superlight put on a weighlifting program.
    hahaha, love this
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    I'm looking for the same thing as you and I'll be buying a 2012 stumpy fsr comp in the next few months.

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    I too am looking for a full suspension bike, short travel, Trail/AM (not XC/Trail) and when I went to Demonstration Forest in Soquel, Ca. over the weekend. Everyone was riding a Santa Cruz bikes. Never really looked into their bikes because the name alone sounds $$$. lol Anyhow, right when I got home from that ride I checked their website and read crap load of reviews about their Nickel. You should deffinitely consider this bike with a 140mm fork. From what I read, this has a very good small bump compliance and bottomless feel rearend. The 125mm rear travel feels like a 150 accroding to the reviews I read online (few of them). Also with the stock geo at 130mm fork, it has 68* HA and if you replace that fork with 140mm travel, you can even have it slightly slacked. The bike also has an xc posture from when you're climbing and drop the seatpost, you're in attack mode like the SC butcher.

    The only thing I dont like is the weight of the frame: 7.4 lbs medium and that's heavy for a short travel bike but according to others that had tested the bike, it does NOT feel that heavy.

    I am getting one soon.

    **edit**
    I forgot to put the price. This bike is so cheap! Online you can get one for $2400 shipped and I swear over the weekend I saw one in medium for $1900 shipped but I can't find the damn site anymore. This is a complete bike but you can also buy the frame if you want to build it: $1300 with RP23.

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    Suggestions for under 1500?

    I am in the same boat. I have a VP-Free as my large bike and an IronHorse Warrior Expert as my XC bike. I am looking for something a little more than the IronHorse and a lot less than the VP-Free. I like the more upright seating position of the VP-Free (slacker head angle and high raiser bars).

    I notice a lot of the suggestions seem to be hard to find brands in the US (Banshee, transition, etc). Are there any more-mainstream brands that might be easier to find used and meet the OP's criteria?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTB Pilot View Post
    I put the Cane Creek angle set in my 2010 Remedy 9.9. I went with the 1 degree cup and has slackened my bike to a 66 degree HA. The cup sticks out of the bottom of the HT on the Trek E2 HT and that adds 1 degree of slack it's self. I absolutely love it!! Feels good, still climbs great and even better on descents. I was going to put one in my '11 Fuel EX 9.7, but I bought this Remedy and selling the Fuel. It would have been an excellent upgrade to my Fuel though.

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    Okay, I'm going to eat my words, and retract my statement about the CC angleset. Since it has been installed, I had only been able to ride in an area that has lots of fast single track with small climbs, only medium size rocks, smaller drops and lots of rollers that you can get a foot or two off of. Today I got time to go down to South Mountain's National trail in Phoenix and put the bike to work. The angleset has been making more noise the longer I ride it; Kind of like a hallow popping sound. Today there was a lot of technical climbing and then descending. First I noticed that my bike was really squirrely (sp) on the long steep climbs and on the shorter technical climbs. I guess that 66 degree head angle is to slack for my Remedy to climb well. My fault for over doing it. The bottom offset cup for the E2 head tube on the Remedy sticks out about an inch and that probably moved the HA to 67 already. I used the one degree offset cup so that brought it to 66; We used an angle measure to get exact measurement.

    Anyway, coming down I noticed, besides the popping on every rock on drop, that the front end was flexing a lot. It sounded and felt like I was going to break the front end off every rock I smashed over and drop I came off; That's a lot on this trail. I don't know if it is any different on other bikes where the offset cup isn't so far out of the HT. I have lost so much of the stiffness that this bike was built with. I was shocked at how much the fork crown was moving on every hit!

    Needless to say, it's coming out and and the OEM CC headset is going back in!

    Now I wonder if they will give me a refund?

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    In the picture you can see how the bottom gimbal (gold) is not even; It was perfectly level when it was put in.
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    Hey MTB Pilot, you should look into the Works Component Angle Headsets.
    They are zero stack on the bottom and don't have any moving parts or
    funking interface stuff. Just a "normal" headset and bearings machined
    at an angle, so just as realible as a good quality headset!
    They even make a 1 degree angle headset for 1 1/8 headtubes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blcman View Post
    Hey MTB Pilot, you should look into the Works Component Angle Headsets.
    They are zero stack on the bottom and don't have any moving parts or
    funking interface stuff. Just a "normal" headset and bearings machined
    at an angle, so just as realible as a good quality headset!
    They even make a 1 degree angle headset for 1 1/8 headtubes.
    Thanks, looks interesting. I'll look into them some more.

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    I bought a kona tanuki deluxe through ep and can't say a bad thing about it. I have made a few upgrades; changed the tk damper in the sektor to a moco, slx crank 1x9 with mrp lopes, tubeless ghetto style. mine weighs in just under 29 lbs right now. the four bar suspension works well for me. climbs great and really takes the hits when you point it down. the suspension comes 130mm front and rear but you can change the spacers in the fork if you want a little more up front to slacken it out. I use it for everything from xc racing to light dh and it gets it done. the bike really shines just tearin through some gnarly singletrack. the dl goes for like $2100 for 2011 and are closin out right now but the have a basic that was like $1600 or so retail

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTB Pilot View Post
    I put the Cane Creek angle set in my 2010 Remedy 9.9. I went with the 1 degree cup and has slackened my bike to a 66 degree HA. The cup sticks out of the bottom of the HT on the Trek E2 HT and that adds 1 degree of slack it's self. I absolutely love it!! Feels good, still climbs great and even better on descents. I was going to put one in my '11 Fuel EX 9.7, but I bought this Remedy and selling the Fuel. It would have been an excellent upgrade to my Fuel though.

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    FYI, an 11mm bottom cup should add about a half degree, not a full degree of slackness.

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    As far as I know Works Components only make headsets compatible with 1 1/8" steerers, so tapered is out of the question.They work really well and are solid though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by problematiks View Post
    As far as I know Works Components only make headsets compatible with 1 1/8" steerers, so tapered is out of the question.They work really well and are solid though.

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    Wrong on that! Works first made angle headsets for for only 1.5 headtubes,
    then taper headtubes when those came out, THEN made the 1 1/8 headsets
    to fill a need that wasn't available before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vertr View Post
    FYI, an 11mm bottom cup should add about a half degree, not a full degree of slackness.
    cane creek doesn't account for the change in HA when using an EC bottom cup in their anglesets? you'd think they'd engineer the gimble to give the desired HA change in combination with the EC bottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blcman View Post
    Wrong on that! Works first made angle headsets for for only 1.5 headtubes,
    then taper headtubes when those came out, THEN made the 1 1/8 headsets
    to fill a need that wasn't available before.
    The thing is, you're talking about headtubes while I was talking about (fork) steerer tubes.Their headsets indeed fit into different headtube types (I have two ZS taper headtube versions installed on my bikes), but they only accomodate 1 1/8" steerer tubes.And since the Remedy comes with a fork that has a tapered steerer a Works Components angle rducin headset won't fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vertr View Post
    FYI, an 11mm bottom cup should add about a half degree, not a full degree of slackness.
    Yeah thanks, but I don't need anymore information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by problematiks View Post
    The thing is, you're talking about headtubes while I was talking about (fork) steerer tubes.Their headsets indeed fit into different headtube types (I have two ZS taper headtube versions installed on my bikes), but they only accomodate 1 1/8" steerer tubes.And since the Remedy comes with a fork that has a tapered steerer a Works Components angle rducin headset won't fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 'size View Post
    cane creek doesn't account for the change in HA when using an EC bottom cup in their anglesets? you'd think they'd engineer the gimble to give the desired HA change in combination with the EC bottom.
    I have no idea whether that is included or not. I sort of doubt it, since the 0* cups still use an EC cup.

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    Mongoose Sleyton.

    I know, I know... it's mongoose.
    However, the Sleyton has a very rearward wheel path with no chain growth so it swallows the trail and sprints like mad.

    It's on my short list of 3 bikes to pick up for 2012.
    I currently have a 4" Mongoose Canaan with a 120 fork and love it, so it's a very strong contender for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robncircus View Post
    Rumor is they've slacked the EX line by Trek. I have a 2010, and it's 69* I believe. I'm toying with a slacker headset but haven't been able to find anyone who has done it on one of these bikes. I will say my EX has been awesome though... easy to climb with and still somewhat fun on the descents.
    You should check with this guy, he's probably able to make something for you:
    Ofanaim.net » Head Angle Set

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    g-air, i just saw a blur 4x for sale in pretty good condition. might fit the bill. is was either on classifieds here or on SORBA.

    figured I'd throw it out there for ya.

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