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    11 Rockshox Sektor RL Coil U-Turn vs. 10 Rockshox Pike 454 Coil vs. 09 Fox Van 36 RC2

    I'm having a hard time making a decision on a fork for an upcoming Ragley Blue Pig build (optimized for 130-150mm travel). I know I want a coil setup (too heavy for air and want a simple coil fork with big travel) and I'm stuck at a crossroads here.

    I can buy a 2011 Rockshox Sektor RL Coil U-Turn (110-150mm) 20QR for $420 and it comes with a free Cane Creek S8 headset or

    I've found a 2010 Rockshox Pike 454 Coil 140mm 20QR non-U-Turn for under $400 or a

    2009 Fox Van 36 RC2 160mm 20QR (without the bundled 2 extra coils for diff rider weights) for $660.

    The Pike and Van both will come without a warranty as I'm buying it secondhand but both are new or new take-offs.

    Is the Fox really that much better to justify the price? With the Sektor, headset and cost of frame, I'm still $30 ahead of the Fox with only a headset and no frame.

    Being a weekend rider in the midwest, will I really see the $300 difference in ride quality?
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    Pike is the old Sektor. I would not buy Pike anymore. Sektor is $340 on Universal (15% coupon).

    Do not know about the Blue Pig, but after riding a massive fork on my TransAm I thought it is an overkill. And it seems nowadays RockShox is better regarded then Fox. (My favorites are Magura, then RockShox)

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    Pike!

    Sektor has a crappy MC borrowed from low end Tora.

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    Hate to spam, but I have a buddy selling a 2010 Fox 36 Van RC2 for less than that. Tapered though, so not sure if that will work for you. Shoot me a PM if you are interested

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    Quote Originally Posted by alex_k
    Pike!

    Sektor has a crappy MC borrowed from low end Tora.
    Tora does not come with Motion Control, according to SRAM's website - and Sektor RL is not the same as Sektor R and TK.

    It feels exactly the same as higher end Pikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek
    I'm having a hard time making a decision on a fork for an upcoming Ragley Blue Pig build (optimized for 130-150mm travel). I know I want a coil setup (too heavy for air and want a simple coil fork with big travel) and I'm stuck at a crossroads here.

    I can buy a 2011 Rockshox Sektor RL Coil U-Turn (110-150mm) 20QR for $420 and it comes with a free Cane Creek S8 headset or

    I've found a 2010 Rockshox Pike 454 Coil 140mm 20QR non-U-Turn for under $400 or a

    2009 Fox Van 36 RC2 160mm 20QR (without the bundled 2 extra coils for diff rider weights) for $660.

    The Pike and Van both will come without a warranty as I'm buying it secondhand but both are new or new take-offs.

    Is the Fox really that much better to justify the price? With the Sektor, headset and cost of frame, I'm still $30 ahead of the Fox with only a headset and no frame.

    Being a weekend rider in the midwest, will I really see the $300 difference in ride quality?
    I just picked up a new bike with the sektor RL coil and have done 5-6 rides. I have another bike with a pike u-turn coil that I've ridden for 4 years.

    At a similar price and assuming both are u-turn, I'd prefer the pike, but the difference is slight and the sektor is probably not yet broken in properly. Both are great riding forks and handle chop quite well.

    List price on the sektor is less than old list on the pike. How RS managed to pull this off is a mystery to be, but I'd say the sektor is a great value.

    Key IMHO is whether or not the fork is a u-turn. Adjustability is very helpful for where I ride and my sektor is not a u-turn. I miss that feature most of all. If it was between a u-turn sektor and a non u-turn pike I'd choose sektor hands down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alex_k
    Pike!

    Sektor has a crappy MC borrowed from low end Tora.
    arnt all moco's the same? anyways a sektor pretty much is a new pike. id go for the sektor, imo the 36 is a bit overkill and for the weekend rider you wont notice a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-kul
    arnt all moco's the same? anyways a sektor pretty much is a new pike. id go for the sektor, imo the 36 is a bit overkill and for the weekend rider you wont notice a difference.
    Tora, Recon and new Sektor have cheapest one which does not have floodgate adjustment. Their lower speed compression adjustment woks more on/off comparing to Reba, Relevation and Pike.

    If you don't need MC then Sektor is fine

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    Pricepoint has Pike-454-Coil-U-turn for $459.98

    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/183...140mm-2010.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by alex_k
    Tora, Recon and new Sektor have cheapest one which does not have floodgate adjustment. Their lower speed compression adjustment woks more on/off comparing to Reba, Relevation and Pike.

    If you don't need MC then Sektor is fine
    Tora does not have Motion Control. Motion Control on Sektor RL is the same as everywhere else. You are talking about the external Floodgate threshold, right? I never cared about it, but I guess your mileage may vary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    Tora does not have Motion Control. Motion Control on Sektor RL is the same as everywhere else. You are talking about the external Floodgate, right? I never cared about it, but I guess your mileage may vary.
    tora had mc for several years and a lot of them on the market.

    does Sektor have internal Floodgate? can you adjust it? it really good if you can otherwise it is cheap legacy of tora.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alex_k
    tora had mc for several years and a lot of them on the market.

    does Sektor have internal Floodgate? can you adjust it? it really good if you can otherwise it is cheap legacy of tora.
    Tora does not have Motion Control nowadays. Motion control in Sektor is the same as on other current "RL" forks, and works just as well. If you feel the need to adjust floodgate with a knob, then it is important to you. It is not important to me - they ride just the same when it counts.

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    great if you like it but your statement about all "RL" forks is not true


    you can get more information about Sektor from http://www.sram.com/_media/techdocs/...PC_Rev%20B.pdf

    Page 25, SEKTO R - COIL /U-TURN/SOLO AIR - TURNKEY/MOTION CONT ROL (2011)

    No 15: Compression Damper Kit, Motion Control, Crown Adj - 2010 Recon, 2011 Recon Gold (includes adj knob/spool, screw and cable-set clamp remote only)

    PS Recon is Tora with aluminum uppers

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    I would go for the sektor aswell. The sector is pretty much exactly the same is the pike 351 (the specialized oem model), but has updated lowers with the bushing bulge. That particular pike was just a recon 351 with pike lowers, a pecon if you will haha. All are good, simple, light and very easy to work on which is a plus.
    Bottom line- pike is an awesome fork, one for the history books. The sektor just has a slightly less adjustable moco, but same performance and stiffness. But cheaper!

    I wouldnt even look at the van, overkill for a bluepig. If it were talas, then it would be worth looking into. Not only that, fox forks are not as easy to work when compare to a RS fork. RS are so simple to work on.

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    Thanks for the suggestions and tips guys, greatly appreciated!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by alex_k
    great if you like it but your statement about all "RL" forks is not true


    you can get more information about Sektor from http://www.sram.com/_media/techdocs/...PC_Rev%20B.pdf

    Page 25, SEKTO R - COIL /U-TURN/SOLO AIR - TURNKEY/MOTION CONT ROL (2011)

    No 15: Compression Damper Kit, Motion Control, Crown Adj - 2010 Recon, 2011 Recon Gold (includes adj knob/spool, screw and cable-set clamp remote only)

    PS Recon is Tora with aluminum uppers
    So Sektor is sharing rebound damper part with Revelation RL (18a 11.4015.397.010 18b 11.4015.397.030) and compression damper with Recon Motion Control (11.4015.460.040)

    I am not sure how you jump to a logical conclusion that there is anything bad about it or that it performs any differently. They work just the same.

    It most certainly performs just as well as Pike, in my opinion - but then I do not suffer from the Princess and the pea syndrome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek
    I'm having a hard time making a decision on a fork for an upcoming Ragley Blue Pig build (optimized for 130-150mm travel). I know I want a coil setup (too heavy for air and want a simple coil fork with big travel) and I'm stuck at a crossroads here.

    I can buy a 2011 Rockshox Sektor RL Coil U-Turn (110-150mm) 20QR for $420 and it comes with a free Cane Creek S8 headset or

    I've found a 2010 Rockshox Pike 454 Coil 140mm 20QR non-U-Turn for under $400 or a

    2009 Fox Van 36 RC2 160mm 20QR (without the bundled 2 extra coils for diff rider weights) for $660.

    The Pike and Van both will come without a warranty as I'm buying it secondhand but both are new or new take-offs.

    Is the Fox really that much better to justify the price? With the Sektor, headset and cost of frame, I'm still $30 ahead of the Fox with only a headset and no frame.

    Being a weekend rider in the midwest, will I really see the $300 difference in ride quality?
    Doesn't that frame have a 1.5 headtube? I'd get one of these.

    http://www.bikewagon.com/Rock-Shox-L...-p8796264.html

    Can't beat getting one of the best AM forks ever for $340. I wish I had a 1.5" bike so I could take advantage of that deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alex_k
    tora had mc for several years and a lot of them on the market.

    does Sektor have internal Floodgate? can you adjust it? it really good if you can otherwise it is cheap legacy of tora.
    floodgate is a seperate entity. notice how it is moco WITH floodgate. there is no better or worse moco, only moco with more stuff added to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-kul
    floodgate is a seperate entity. notice how it is moco WITH floodgate. there is no better or worse moco, only moco with more stuff added to it.
    i see it differently: a floodgate is an essential part of MC and at some point SRAM made a cheaper version w/o floodgate adjustment

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    I don't know a whole lot about Motion Control, but wouldn't not having Floodgate make it better? I know I like Mission Control on the Lyrik a whole lot better without Floodgate. It feels noticeably more plush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miniwisejosh
    I don't know a whole lot about Motion Control, but wouldn't not having Floodgate make it better? I know I like Mission Control on the Lyrik a whole lot better without Floodgate. It feels noticeably more plush.
    Yes, a fork is more plush if MC is off. You just want ultimate plushness you don't need MC.

    MC (low speed compression adjustment) should prevent fork diving under heavy braking. Floodgate adjustment helps with finding the sweet spot when a fork is still plush and does not dive too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alex_k
    i see it differently: a floodgate is an essential part of MC and at some point SRAM made a cheaper version w/o floodgate adjustment
    so high speed and low speed adjustments are essential to a good fork? i bet in your mind then over half of mtbr is riding on crappy forks. tell me, is my 55 tst2 with shim stack a good fork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alex_k

    PS Recon is Tora with aluminum uppers
    Wrong!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alex_k
    Yes, a fork is more plush if MC is off. You just want ultimate plushness you don't need MC.

    MC (low speed compression adjustment) should prevent fork diving under heavy braking. Floodgate adjustment helps with finding the sweet spot when a fork is still plush and does not dive too much.
    Again, maybe this has nothing to do with Motion Control, but Floodgate and low speed compression are two separate adjustments on a Mission Control fork. Floodgate gives a platform effect to help with pedalling efficiency, and low speed reduces fork dive like you said. Just turning Floodgate off doesn't remove the platform effect 100% though. That's why physically removing the Floodgate portion of the damper gives better performance for riders who don't care about pedalling platforms in their fork. A Lyrik with Floodgate removed still has all other damping adjustments working as normal to control fork movement as needed.

    It could be a completely different story for Motion Control...

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    This is a lot of jibba jabba.

    The 36 Van rules over the other two, but it's too tall for a Pig. The Blue Pig feels pretty good with 140, and maybe better with 130ish. Thus, the best deal is the Sektor. Adjust Uturn until you're happy with the handling.

    Done and done.

    Footnote: floodgate sucks and makes the fork less active. I didn't spend fat stacks of cash on a 160mm fork so i could lock it out. I intend to swap out my Lyrik's Mission Control damper for a DH damper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-kul
    so high speed and low speed adjustments are essential to a good fork? i bet in your mind then over half of mtbr is riding on crappy forks. tell me, is my 55 tst2 with shim stack a good fork?
    lets go to the subject. did i say Sektor is a bad fork? My point Pike is better because it has a functional MC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alex_k
    lets go to the subject. did i say Sektor is a bad fork? My point Pike is better because it has a functional MC.
    you said it was a cheap tora-esque fork so, yeah, i think you implied that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-kul
    you said it was a cheap tora-esque fork so, yeah, i think you implied that.
    For the money, the Tora rules. It's reasonably smooth and coil-plush and the adjustments actually do something. It's no work of art...but it's $200. Can't beat it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad news
    For the money, the Tora rules. It's reasonably smooth and coil-plush and the adjustments actually do something. It's no work of art...but it's $200. Can't beat it.
    for the money, yeah. but in the grand sceme of things, not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alex_k
    lets go to the subject. did i say Sektor is a bad fork? My point Pike is better because it has a functional MC.
    Sektor has a fully functional Motion Control damper which performs just fine.

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    Speaking of Toras, I've had a 2008 Tora 302 100mm on a previous bike. I never liked it, started leaking oil with rare use, rebuilt by Rockshox with updated dampers and feels no different in all honesty, except now, the lockout doesn't function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek
    Speaking of Toras, I've had a 2008 Tora 302 100mm on a previous bike. I never liked it, started leaking oil with rare use, rebuilt by Rockshox with updated dampers and feels no different in all honesty, except now, the lockout doesn't function.
    That's with Turnkey damper, IIRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    That's with Turnkey damper, IIRC.
    Correct, also the preload and rebound didn't do much either for the fork.
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    Ended up winning a brand new 2010 Rockshox Pike 454 140mm Dual Air on eBay for $350 shipped. For the price, I'll give it a try, after reading many reviews, it's a superb 140mm AM fork. And it's going on a 20" On-One 456 Summer Season that has to be ordered.
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    you made an awesome choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman00
    you made an awesome choice.
    Thanks, I feel pretty good about. Never have I fiddled with an air fork before and all the past reviews are excellent. Rather buy a proven fork than a new model year like the Sektor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek
    Thanks, I feel pretty good about. Never have I fiddled with an air fork before and all the past reviews are excellent. Rather buy a proven fork than a new model year like the Sektor.
    There is obviously absolutely nothing wrong with the Pike, and 140mm should be the perfect length for 456 SS. At your strength you would not care about extra few grams either.(Steeper frame like TransAm does benefit from an extra 10mm it seems). Sektor is nothing new though - rehash the existing lowers/dampers etc..

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    I got about a third of the way through the bickering, and couldnt handle it.

    OK

    VAN has a 1" taller chassis, combined with 20mm more travel. Too tall. Great fork though.


    Pike weighs a lot more; when it was designed it was one model under the boxxer. The crown and lowers are more beefcake than the sektor. The stanchions are small compared to the rest of the fork's build. It's no surprise the sektor is lighter. The sektor is probably stiffer for its weight, but i can feel the difference between the two. (granted, neither is a fox 32 140qr)

    Damping. This is simple- the pike has an adjustable threshold before it blows the fork open, the sektor has the threshold fixed, and set fairly high. So... you can better control the balance between dive and plushness. If you think it's a stupid feature, crank it up 90%, never touch it again, and it's a heavy stiff sektor. Both feel pretty good.

    On a blue pig you shouldn't need to rely on the u-turn to get yourself up hills, although its a nice functional climbing gimmick. If you need it, there's probably some other component oddness.

    So

    Get the pike if you wanna smash and bash on the downhills. I bought one after a few rides on the new revelation; I'm big.
    Get the sektor if you want a more trailbike feel. It's an new assortment of old parts, nothing to fear.
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    lol. In missing all the bickering, you missed that the OP already decided on a Pike .

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman00
    I would go for the sektor aswell. The sector is pretty much exactly the same is the pike 351 (the specialized oem model), but has updated lowers with the bushing bulge. That particular pike was just a recon 351 with pike lowers, a pecon if you will haha. All are good, simple, light and very easy to work on which is a plus.
    Bottom line- pike is an awesome fork, one for the history books. The sektor just has a slightly less adjustable moco, but same performance and stiffness. But cheaper!

    I wouldnt even look at the van, overkill for a bluepig. If it were talas, then it would be worth looking into. Not only that, fox forks are not as easy to work when compare to a RS fork. RS are so simple to work on.
    Totally agree, cheaper, but also lighter for being a coil fork. Mine is a Sektor RL Coil U-Turn 20mm ML and it is 2.115grs. I've pushed her really hard and the only issue I see is that the MaxleLite tends to loosen a bit after "turbulent" use over rocky trails.

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    Fork came in today. And it turns out it's a 2010 RockShox Pike 454 Air U-Turn 110-140mm and I guess I'm okay with that, kinda regretted not having the option of U-Turn when I made the purchase.
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    I ride the Sektor Coil U-Turn 100-140mm 9mmQR, before that I rode the Psylo SL
    The Sektor is plenty stiff for almost all trail stuff you can hit.

    The Sektor comes with MC & fixed threshold, same as Top Recons 2009/2010. Threshold is set to almost locked, mine gives 1" travel and opens when I push hard. I'm happy with this setting.

    You can get the stiffness of 32mm tubes & 140mm coil travel with very low weight (mine weights 1,85kg with 195mm steerer)

    The comparison to Pike ... I don't know.... but I cannot imagine that pike is signifficantly stiffer - both forks are very similar.

    In my opinion, its a very valuable hybrid between Revelation & Recon.
    It compares also with the 32 Vanilla Fork but has U-Turn.
    Its easy to adjust & I like it to have components that just work w/o high maintenance

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