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    River rampage conditions???

    Wondering if anyone knows of the Eagle River race trail conditions?
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    This trail is groomed all winter long so I'm pretty sure it's gonna be hard packed and fast.

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    So skinny bike friendly...as in ice spiker pros should work...(no fatbike yet)

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    Hmm, interesting looking race. Will likely make the drive down, I'm assuming the river conditions are good? I'll wear a pair of floaties just in case.
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    Race info is here if anyone has not seen it;
    Eagle River Nature Center | Eagle River, Alaska

    Eagle river gets a fair amount of snowmachine traffic so the underlying base to the trail should be good and hard. I was down on the lower portion of the river this past weekend and it was in good condition for biking. However, I live just a few miles away (on Hiland) and we got hammered with some really heavy snow yesterday afternoon, close to 6" of fresh powder accumulation in just a few hours time and a bit more lastnight. I would suspect that the accumulation would be similar around ERNC. Unless some intensive trail grooming occurrs, I would be suprized it the race conditions are conducive to skinny MTB tires, definitly no need for studs on the +3' base of snowpack that is there now.

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    Too bad this is the same weekend as the Homer festival. It looks like fun. It is hard to live where there are multiple fat bike events on the same weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sryanak View Post
    Too bad this is the same weekend as the Homer festival. It looks like fun. It is hard to live where there are multiple fat bike events on the same weekend.
    And dont forget;
    Iditarod Trail Invitational-home page

    Between Susitna100 last weekend, Abominable Snowman Series lastnight, and upcomming ERNC, Homer and the Iditarod invitational, this is the holy week for AK fatbiking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrayJay View Post
    And dont forget;
    Iditarod Trail Invitational-home page

    Between Susitna100 last weekend, Abominable Snowman Series lastnight, and upcomming ERNC, Homer and the Iditarod invitational, this is the holy week for AK fatbiking.
    There has to be some tired legs by next week!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrayJay View Post
    And dont forget;
    Iditarod Trail Invitational-home page

    Between Susitna100 last weekend, Abominable Snowman Series lastnight, and upcomming ERNC, Homer and the Iditarod invitational, this is the holy week for AK fatbiking.
    I didn't forget it I just figured it wasn't for mortal men (or women) but I have to agree this is a great place to fatbike.
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    Well since I can't make the drive to Homer this weekend, I signed up for this race. They haven't been able to groom the trail but the race should definitely go on this weekend.
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    Me too...hope my 'skinny' bike doesn't sink!
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    I am bummed this seems like a really cool race and course. I signed up but after a couple test rides I canít sit on a bike seat that long yet after last weekend. Have fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kincaider View Post
    I am bummed this seems like a really cool race and course. I signed up but after a couple test rides I canít sit on a bike seat that long yet after last weekend. Have fun.
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    Skinny bike+ soft snow+ being hard headed= a shitty great time!

    Lesson learned...saving for a fatbike NOW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKxc View Post
    Skinny bike+ soft snow+ being hard headed= a shitty great time!

    Lesson learned...saving for a fatbike NOW!
    You sir are a trooper. That was some soft snow near the end.

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    Thanks!

    And I thought my singlespeed gearing would be the issue(32x18)...I'll be ready next year.

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    Great turnout for the river race today. Nice clear sunny day and temperature got up to around 10įf. Trail grooming was fast in many sections, with just enough loose snow left on other sections to still make it a challenge to stay upright. Bratwursts at the finish were great. Hope it continues as a race venue next year.

    If you have not spent time on it previously, Eagle River (the river, not the town) really is a nice snowbike trail option. It gets enough snowmachine traffic to normally keep a good trail for biking but it is seldom overrun with snowmachines. Access from the ASP bogs bridge parking lot (below Wal-Mart) is also good access to the river without driving all the way out to ERNC.

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    That was a great race! Kudos to the two skinny (normal) tired guys, there should be handicap applied for them!

    Is the river trail open to fat bikes throughout the winter? I was telling some people at work about it and they were under the impression that fat bikes weren't allowed on the river typically?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ickyickyptngzutboing View Post
    That was a great race! Kudos to the two skinny (normal) tired guys, there should be handicap applied for them!

    Is the river trail open to fat bikes throughout the winter? I was telling some people at work about it and they were under the impression that fat bikes weren't allowed on the river typically?
    The nature center bans bikes on its trails but they dont own/control the river. Lots more snowmachine traffic further down the river so the river trail stays pretty good. Just start your fatbike riding at the Alaska state park picknic area below the bridge that goes over eagle river loop rd (near wal-mart), there is also decent amount of MTB riding terrain to explore in the summer from here. Alternately, go up to the mile 7.2 parking area where the race turnaround checkpoint was located. (Anyone else eat a bunch of tinfoil trying to scarf down the peanut butter cup candy at the turnaround?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrayJay View Post
    The nature center bans bikes on its trails but they dont own/control the river. Lots more snowmachine traffic further down the river so the river trail stays pretty good. Just start your fatbike riding at the Alaska state park picknic area below the bridge that goes over eagle river loop rd (near wal-mart), there is also decent amount of MTB riding terrain to explore in the summer from here. Alternately, go up to the mile 7.2 parking area where the race turnaround checkpoint was located. (Anyone else eat a bunch of tinfoil trying to scarf down the peanut butter cup candy at the turnaround?)
    The ERNC bans nothing, it is the park who writes and enforces the rules. The park was reluctant to allow the use of the albert loop in order to access the river. Truth told, the park super wanted to see photos of the damage caused to the trails as a result of the race.

    The original idea for back up in the event of poor river conditions was a Dew Mound loop, but the park shut that down since it was viewed as "too dangerous".

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    I guess I should have dusted over my bike angel if I had known the damage was going to be assessed!
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    Damage assement...ZERO! Unless they look at snow crystal damage. Snowbikes have about as much (winter) environmental impact as cross country skiers do...

    I'm glad the ERNC and park service allowed this race, and 1300+ dollars were raised, but seems kinda pointless to try and assess something that is not there. I rode/ran almost 7miles of the course(before DNF'n) and all I saw was a reflector and a water bottle...anyways, hope all will be well and NPS will green light next years event!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKxc View Post
    Damage assement...ZERO! Unless they look at snow crystal damage. Snowbikes have about as much (winter) environmental impact as cross country skiers do...

    I'm glad the ERNC and park service allowed this race, and 1300+ dollars were raised, but seems kinda pointless to try and assess something that is not there. I rode/ran almost 7miles of the course(before DNF'n) and all I saw was a reflector and a water bottle...anyways, hope all will be well and NPS will green light next years event!
    Although I see what you are talking about, I think what they are referring to as "damage" would be ruts in the snow that might make it harder for the other users that are normally allowed on the trails, not necessarily long term environmental damage (just my guess though). If the bikes (normally not allowed) were augering out a rut down the middle of the trail, it would make it potentially dangerous or problematic for skiers (normally allowed) and walkers (normally allowed).

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    Quote Originally Posted by anchskier View Post
    Although I see what you are talking about, I think what they are referring to as "damage" would be ruts in the snow that might make it harder for the other users that are normally allowed on the trails, not necessarily long term environmental damage (just my guess though). If the bikes (normally not allowed) were augering out a rut down the middle of the trail, it would make it potentially dangerous or problematic for skiers (normally allowed) and walkers (normally allowed).
    Seriously? That's just silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anchskier View Post
    Although I see what you are talking about, I think what they are referring to as "damage" would be ruts in the snow that might make it harder for the other users that are normally allowed on the trails, not necessarily long term environmental damage (just my guess though). If the bikes (normally not allowed) were augering out a rut down the middle of the trail, it would make it potentially dangerous or problematic for skiers (normally allowed) and walkers (normally allowed).
    I have limited experience xc skiing, so these are honest questions/comments and I'm open to being educated:

    Most of the time, when we're leaving a rut in snow, it's in nowhere near a dead straight line. Wouldn't the tip of a ski cause it to naturally climb right back out of any rut caused by a bike tire, as soon as it reached a curve in the path of the rut?

    Wouldn't the rut left by a skier using a different cadence/putting their ski at a different angle/skiing awkwardly, (inexperienced skier), be more likely to make it harder for other skiers?

    Walkers/runners on soft trails make life difficult for everyone else, more so than bikes or skis on the same. I wouldn't think they would have any grounds for complaining that others using the same soft trails they do was ruining it for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean salach View Post
    I have limited experience xc skiing, so these are honest questions/comments and I'm open to being educated:

    Most of the time, when we're leaving a rut in snow, it's in nowhere near a dead straight line. Wouldn't the tip of a ski cause it to naturally climb right back out of any rut caused by a bike tire, as soon as it reached a curve in the path of the rut?

    Wouldn't the rut left by a skier using a different cadence/putting their ski at a different angle/skiing awkwardly, (inexperienced skier), be more likely to make it harder for other skiers?

    Walkers/runners on soft trails make life difficult for everyone else, more so than bikes or skis on the same. I wouldn't think they would have any grounds for complaining that others using the same soft trails they do was ruining it for them.
    Let me say this first, I am not agreeing with the park position in this instance, just trying to point out what I think they are trying to say.

    As a skier, I can say that "ruts" left longitudinally down the trail such as a bike tire would leave in the right (or maybe I should saw wrong) conditions are far more of a hazard than transverse "ruts". They result in what people refer to as "catching an edge". On long flat or uphill sections, it isn't much of a problem as skate skiers are usually crossing over where the rut would be and classic skiers are following a track that is usually down one side. The problem usually arises on downhills, especially on corners, when skiers typically have their skis going parallel with the direction of the trail. When moving at speed, your path tends to drift across the trail, much like you do on a mountain bike while going down a hill into or out of a corner. If there is a rut there, your ski will catch in it, while your balance will keep going across. Sometimes the ski will climb out, but frequently it won't and you don't have time to correct. I see the same thing when mountain biking after someone has ridden in the mud and it has hardened. You don't want to try to cross a tire-width rut unless you have a noticeabe angle of incidence.

    While walkers/hikers tend to do more visible damage to a soft trail, what they leave isn't quite as much of a safety hazard to skiers since the skis will usually span across the footprint. Now, if they are chunking out pieces of hardened snow/ice or leaving a mound of snow behind the footprint when they push off that hardens, then yes, their tracks can cause some hazards on a trail.

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    Good points, Anchskier

    I hope I didn't piss off too many skiers out there being 1 of 2 guys on skinny tires. Though my comments usually poke fun at the great ski/bike/horse debate, we all know how important goodwill between user groups is. My question is similar to Sean's - I share probably even less knowledge of XC skiing - if skiers encounter a rutted out mess of a trail caused by, hypothetically speaking, a 200+ lbs guy on 29x2.4 tires in less than solid trail conditions, is it still fairly easy to make a new ski path next to it, room permitting, or would you sink like a sack of lead?

    When I XC skied a loooong time ago, I remember blazing my own path across wide snow fields with no traffic and deep snow and seemed to do fine. Granted I wasn't breaking any speed records, but I wasn't stopped in my own tracks, either.

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    The 2013 edition of ERR is tomorrow. Facebook page shows trails getting packed;
    Friends of Eagle River Nature Center - Eagle River, AK - Tourist Attraction, Public Places & Attractions | Facebook

    There has been a lot of fluffy, dry snow and windblown drifting in Eagle River the past couple days. Has anyone been down on the river to check effectivenesss of the trail grooming?

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