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    New Traffic Pattern on Bolling Alley

    95% of the trail signs have been installed on the Kincaid STA Trail System. Bolling Alley is the core loop of the network and it is now a directional trail.

    Odd days are counter-clockwise.
    Even days are clock-wise.

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    This is a big improvement for safety and trail flow. Thank you so much!!

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    That's a great idea! Thank you!

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    This should alleviate some confusion about the direction of travel.
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    Was out today riding counter-clockwise on Bowling Alley and came across some folks who thought it must have been Thursday, or perhaps Saturday. Takes awhile to sink in, I guess.

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    Are there calendars posted at each of these signs? I would have to look at a calendar or my phone right now to tell you whether it's an even or an odd day. If they're going to be directional, just make them one direction, all the time, and save the logistical hassle. Some people aren't going to know the date, and those that do will be travelling the trails expecting no oncoming traffic.

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    Its days of the week, not days of the month. I have typically always ridden Bowling Alley clockwise and I think that its the better of the two directions, but there are some sections that I think are fun riding counter-clockwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polarflux View Post
    Its days of the week, not days of the month. I have typically always ridden Bowling Alley clockwise and I think that its the better of the two directions, but there are some sections that I think are fun riding counter-clockwise.
    Can you please tell me the odd and even days of a week?

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    Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday are the odd days of the week.

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    Days of the Month

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    Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday are the odd days of the week.
    negative, ghost rider the pattern is full. It's days of the month! June 16th -clockwise. June 17 -counterclockwise.

    It's just going to take some time to get used to.
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    Is it Bowling or Bolling ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rio View Post
    Is it Bowling or Bolling ?
    refer to post number 4
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    Quote Originally Posted by polarflux View Post
    Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday are the odd days of the week.
    Not quite. Odd and even refer to numbers, not days. I'm not sure how the word Sunday equates to odd or Monday to even. As ak greeff said, the direction is based on the number of the day. June 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, etc... is counter-clockwise, June 2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th, etc... is clockwise. Simple really.

    Making it one direction all year would be boring and would take a lot out of the trail system. Right now, we essentially have 18 miles of trail to ride, why knock that down to 9 by only being able to ride it one way all the time? I like the idea they have in place now. It won't solve all two-way traffic, but it will reduce it a lot.

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    I don't get it. . .

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    that is just confusing as hell no wonder there will be people riding the "wrong" way

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    Quote Originally Posted by anchskier View Post
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    Making it one direction all year would be boring and would take a lot out of the trail system. Right now, we essentially have 18 miles of trail to ride, why knock that down to 9 by only being able to ride it one way all the time? I like the idea they have in place now. It won't solve all two-way traffic, but it will reduce it a lot.
    I should have been more specific. I'm not suggesting making all of them one direction only. Most of them should be bi-directional. Some of the trails have limited sight lines, downhill jumps and berms that just aren't as fun to ride up and would not be a great loss to be limited to one direction of travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsintov View Post
    that is just confusing as hell no wonder there will be people riding the "wrong" way
    Seriously? knowing the date is confusing as hell?

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    I know the signage is new, but it might need some updating. This forum and others could have been a good place to bounce some signage ideas around before going final. Personally, I assumed the signage meant days of the week since unless you've just woken from a coma you'd probably know what day of the week it was. There is enough room on the current signage to indicate which days of the week are odd or even, I think, if there could be consensus on what are the odd or even days of the week. For the record, the series of tubes suggests that a week begins on Sundays which is supported by the arrangement of days in the modern version of the type of calendar most people have been using in this part of the world for a long, long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polarflux View Post
    I know the signage is new, but it might need some updating. This forum and others could have been a good place to bounce some signage ideas around before going final. Personally, I assumed the signage meant days of the week since unless you've just woken from a coma you'd probably know what day of the week it was. There is enough room on the current signage to indicate which days of the week are odd or even, I think, if there could be consensus on what are the odd or even days of the week. For the record, the series of tubes suggests that a week begins on Sundays which is supported by the arrangement of days in the modern version of the type of calendar most people have been using in this part of the world for a long, long time.
    I still can't figure out the logic to coming to the conclusion that odd/even equated to specific days of the week. You guys are making it so much harder than it is supposed to be. There is no need to come to a consensus as to what days of the week equal and odd or even day. Just look at the number. If it's odd, go one way, if even, go the other. No reason to try to explain or teach someone why a Sunday is an odd or even day.

    I think it works better that way anyway. A lot of people and groups ride on a regular schedule, say Wednesday nights or Sunday afternoons, etc... If things were by the day of week rather than the number of the day, then you would be stuck riding that area the same direction every time. By keeping it with odd/even days by number, it alternates each week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chugachjed View Post
    Seriously? knowing the date is confusing as hell?
    I'm starting to think that there may be more reality to some of the stereotypes that mountainbikers get from others in the public.....

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    Yeah, Ok, so if days of the month are used then your Wednesday ride group enjoys ride direction variation...and thats great, but I tend to think the confusion will persist. If its days of the week, then you will know eventually without having to think that Wednesday is Bowling Alley counter-clockwise for example. I am all for a final solution and I think part of that is to have the signage be a bit clearer because some will naturally think days of the month, and others will naturally think days of the week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polarflux View Post
    and others will naturally think days of the week.
    How? Days aren't odd or even, that's absurd. It's not like it's clockwise on dates with a prime number.

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    Sundays are odd because sometimes it rains but they still call it Sunday. And Wednesdays are definitely odd. I mean, why does the 'd' come before the 'n'?

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    I have never heard or an odd day of the week but Kenai Rider has cleared it up.

    Thanks for the signs. I think it is a good move and works well.

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    always considered myself a pretty even rider.
    good thing i'm busy on Wendesdays

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    Or,we could go by wheel size!
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    Quote Originally Posted by akdeluxe View Post
    Or,we could go by wheel size!
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    But then us 26'rs would have to worry about running into all you 29'rs going the wrong way....

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    Quote Originally Posted by anchskier View Post
    I still can't figure out the logic to coming to the conclusion that odd/even equated to specific days of the week. ....

    Days of the week is only slightly less silly than the recently implemented plan, and I definitely would never have assumed it was days of the week, but I'm sure you're capable of counting to 7.

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    For all the apparent confusion on this forum regarding what an even and odd day is, it first and foremost makes me think the school system in this country is seriously letting us all down. That being said, the dozen riders I have almost collided with in the last week have told me they didn't even see the sign.

    Forget parsing what an odd day is on this forum, most folks will think that an odd or even day is dictated by the calendar day and simply check their phone if they are unsure of the date. The only real suggestion I would make is to post some large, colorful temporary (laminated 8.5"x11") signs to get people's attention that the trails are directional and they need to pay attention. ...perhaps a two sentence lesson on what an odd or even day is could be included in said signage.

    Happy trails. The riding out there is fantastic....

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    I'm headed out there in a couple hours. Which direction does one go on Thursday with a rigid 29r?

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    What's to be done with the Chinese, the Russians, the Poles and a whole bunch of others who follow ISO standards that establish Monday as the first day of the week, making it odd, Tuesday even, Wednesday odd, etc.? Or, considering Anchorage is "the crossroads of the world,'' should we go global and adopt ISO?

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    ...so if its based off wheel size, what do I do if I'm on my fatbike? Maybe the directtion should be based on moon phase...
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    Mondays

    They are the most odd, and terrible days of the week.

    Unless it is summer, and everyday is like a weekend, and there are no odd days.

    So, I was out there on bolling alley on the 20th (an even day) and was going the right direction. I really made sure because I'm dyslexic and adhd and rarely pay attention to details. There were 6-8 people heading the wrong way. I like that the thing is directional, but don't want restrictions like that put on any other trails, BUT, there seem to be several dangerous corners and things to run into people on other trails too. Why make this one directional specifically? Seems like you should always be hollering corners and being careful regardless. The designated direction day thing gives a false sense of security when there are other dyslexic people out there.
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    Or tides. There could be a tide chart at the trailhead. Incoming tide is clockwise and outgoing is counterclockwise. Slack tide would be a time for moose.

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    All my days are odd.

    Sorry if that conflicts with the rest of you.

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    One good head on collision

    I'd worry about my bike, and then the person who I ran into, and then double check to make sure I was actually going the right way. I think once some carnage happens, people will figure out the directions.
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    i ran into 3 dudes the other day going the wrong direction. As i pulled over to make room i asked them if they knew the trail was directional and told them they were going the wrong way. I was ignored by two of them and the third angrily replied "what's the matter, don't you know how tho yield?" I talked to another group of riders who had been *****ed out by presumably the same mavericks. Remember to watch out for "that guy" should he be out there scoffing at regulation.
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