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    Matsu green belt conditions?

    Also saw a couple other riders out there. One guy with a real cute husky pup. That little guy has wheels. I passed them at one point and thought I'd left them behind and that little pup came screaming up on me scared the crap out of me. Haha

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    Rode down on the Mat river gravel bar today, actually was able to ride pretty far right on the frozen side channels. THe ice is just tacky enough for traction. Beautiful day, great to be able to ride again!

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    Great riding in the greenbelt today. Hit up picnic table and the bears and it was a blast. A bit of bare ground on the south facing slopes, but we weren't leaving gouges...yet. Conditions are ripe for an early morning blast of a ride on all the trails over there. Get it while you can.

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    Was out an the trails today about noon-ish . Lots of folks with dogs out, a few runners. Not too much in the way of bike traffic. Almost all the trails I rode have a thin crust of snow on them from our last little snowfall. Was no problem riding the trails with teh skinny tires ( non studded, Took those off yesterday)

    The downhill portions on the LLC were thrilling to say the least with the snow crust. Braking was not 100% because of the ice crystals being thrown up by the tires and onto the brake rotors causing them to get wet. Traction was rather sketchy as well going downhill with the snow crust, so watch your speed on the downhills if you go out.


    All and all great conditions.

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    Matsu green belt conditions?

    Went in at UAF trailhead around long lake with a loop of the bear trails. Awesome ride. Little mud on long lake, tried to avoid it and stick to ice and snow. Trails are hard and fast. Some ice but it's textured and not real slick. Studs not required.

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    Matsu green belt conditions?

    Anyone ride the new snow yet?

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    Not I, though I might give it a try this afternoon. Could use some fresh snow riding.

    I will say this, though, if you want to get out of town to do some riding, Talkeetna has some great riding. The trails that the Oosik classic were held on are nicely groomed and the Chase trail has some nice easy riding. Is it worth the drive? I don't know, but I had fun up there yesterday.

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    Matsu green belt conditions?

    Rode it a couple times this week and today. It's getting icy. Wished for studs a few times. South facing slopes are mostly snow free and even drying out. It would have been more fun on the 29 with studs but I'm afraid of leaving ruts in the thawed areas. So slow and fat was the way to go.

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    Matsu green belt conditions?

    Getting soft. Main trails ok but the bear loop is going fast. Recommend avoiding it.

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    Rode part of the fields and a small part of the stretch from Matanuska lake to Long lake trail head. Getting to soft once the sun comes out. Would be good early in the morning but that is going quick too.

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    Matsu green belt conditions?

    Winter update. Rode today from experimental farm parking. Trails were good. Farm fields and trails on university side primarily packed from foot traffic and very bumpy, air down it helps. Long lake and the bear trails are packed really nicely with bike traffic. Smooth and fun. I'm studded this year so ice was not a problem, although I think you would be fine without studs. Just take it easy as it's slick enough to washout in the turns.

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    Anyone been riding in the last day or so?
    I want to mix a firework road trip in with a Kepler ride?
    I'm deteriorating faster than I can lower my standards

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperBlinky View Post
    Anyone been riding in the last day or so?
    I want to mix a firework road trip in with a Kepler ride?
    Not sure. Just got back from packing in the lower trail at GPRA and it is some excellent riding there. Warm, nice fluffy snow coming down and a nice firm base.

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    Just got back from riding the greenbelt and... Excellent riding! Went in at the college and followed a well packed trail runners and hikers had been using over to the connector trail and the upper farm fields. Riding there was okay. Picnic table in from the farm fields was packed but not ridden. The main stem of picnic table was well ridden. The multi use (big hill) between picnic and the bears was okay but be careful as there isn't a packed line down the first hill. All three of the bear trails are boss. Rootbear was packed but not ridden in, so I hit that up to the junction and out to long lake connector. Not sure of anything off of the long lake loop single track, but given the amount of traffic elsewhere I assume that those trails are good as well. The upper farm field\powerline area is drifting in right now, but there is a firm base, so easy to punch through.

    Was out at GPRA this morning and walked some of the trail there and it looks bomber as well. I'll be out there at 10 or so tomorrow morning to ride it and try to hit some of the upper loop. Lopts of snowshoe traffic packing it down for us. Good times.

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    Thanks Blockphi!
    Headed that way this morning for explosives and fat tyre shredding!
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    Took a ride through the the park this afternoon. Good news is that the ice/ crispy snow has a lot of grip to it with the frost that has settled on it. I made some hill climbs that I was sure that I would spin out on but didnt. Bad news is that there's ice almost everywhere.
    I had aired up a bit (~10psi) before leaving the house because I had a few road miles to ride and didn't want to be rolling on half flat tires for that long. Even with the higher pressure the tires hooked up on the icy chit nicely. Picnic table and the new fox? trail were the best riding of all the trails I did. The farm fields/ PowerLine trail have the slickest ice.

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    Matsu green belt conditions?

    It's better than I thought. I did long lake to bear berry. Ate it hard at the bottom of bear. Tore my pants and knee up good. Got a little over confident with the studs. Back to gpra for me.

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    Was out at the greenbelt yesterday. Some nice riding coming in at the farm, into Picnic Table, the Bears, out to Long Lake loop and back around to the farm. A bit icy on the uphill section of the ski path between picnic and rootbear and the bears are still a touch slick on some of the low-lying corners. Other than that - awesome times. The snow was so light as to not really cause any drag at all and the temps weren't too bad. I figure the snow will pack down into a slick mess soon - just buffed out unless we get some more sometime soon.

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    Matsu green belt conditions?

    Ok I was keeping it to myself but the greenbelt trails are awesome right now.

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    Man, I hope I can get out there soon. Last weekend was awesome fun, but I really want to get a chance to get out there under the moonlight. Maybe tonight or tomorrow night.

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    Greenbelt trails were mostly dirt and ice yesterday-Studs are certainly recommended. Removed all the downed timber I came across. It pays to take an unsuspecting riding partner along to help with trail work.

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    Greenbelt trails are still pretty muddy in places, mostly Bear Berry and the double track/xc ski trails. Lots of ruts from previous riders. Conditions were firm this morning but softening quickly when I finished riding around 10:30.

    One new tree down on victor lake loop that needs attention if anyone is board. I forgot my saw today.

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    Sounds about right. The trails were great for a couple of weeks but further thawing and some new snow and rain softened them up. I was out Sunday last week and was surprised how muddy they got in a couple days. Ended up walking many sections to keep the ruts at bay.

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    A big Thanks to whoever stacked the ramps on the little Long Lake/Bear berry connector! Totally ridable now, which is super nice!

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    I have not seen any mention of it here, but apparent the MSB is proceeding with plans to start gravel mining the borough owned land surrounding the landfill with longer term plans to obliterate most of the existing crevasse-morainne area trail system in order to turn the area into a dump.
    A recent valley newspaper article clued me into this issue bit it really minimize the extent of the destruction and makes it sound like it only impacts a few neighboring residents. Nauseatingly, they even suggest that centuries from now it should be possible to re-vegetate the abandon landfill cells and construct new recreational facilities on them that are wheelchair accessible!
    Conflict flares up over land use near Crevasse Moraine trails | News | frontiersman.com

    The MSB gravel mining application document is available at;

    Matanuska-Susitna Borough - Central Landfill – Request for Interim Materials District

    The application outlines the plan to mine gravel out from 240 acres of the current CrevMo trail system. This is all the green outline cells shown at;
    https://www.facebook.com/MatSuBoroug...type=3&theater

    Even if the landfill would take decades before there is a need to expand into the existing trails, my concern is that they will go crazy with the gravel extraction much sooner, and thus render moot any future debate for later generations as to weather the trail system is worth sacrificing for a dump.

    Has anyone identified if the mooseberry singletrack trails are within the gravel mine area? (looks like it to me..)

    I grew up in the valley in the mid 80's when the Crevasse-Morainne trail system first opened. (I won the first ever HS nordic ski race held there!). I first met my (now) wife on a walk out on the Crevasse-Morainne trails and while I no longer live in the valley I still make a point to go out there to bike on the CrevMo trails. The trail system is a true jewel for the valley, really disappointing to think that the long term plans are to obliterate the rugged wilderness character and replace it with wheelchair accessible piles of trash.

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    From one of my more recent emails from the MGTA :

    First, next meeting is likely to be March 22, 5:30pm, but haven't confirmed with all land managers yet (I might be running late because of another meeting). And the April meeting will also likely be a Tues (not the 12th).

    The bulk of this update is on the proposed Interim Materials District (IMD) on Landfill property, specifically cells 4-7.
    Matanuska-Susitna Borough - Central Landfill ? Request for Interim Materials District

    No official trails are on that property. There is a trail that was closed for safety reasons the same year the new parking lot was built, but some people still use it.

    I'll point you to FB for two posts, the first (today) from Butch Shapiro, the Central Landfill Manager. https://www.facebook.com/MatSuBoroug...771557/?type=3
    Butch's map has years on it.

    Second (yesterday) from MGT (me), which was clumsily pecked out on ipad while my internet (with all the addresses) was down.
    https://www.facebook.com/MatanuskaGr...06754162801652
    Our map is a little easier to read since it's interactive / zoomable, but we don't have years on it. This is the map that Butch used in his presentation to us back in December 2015. http://arcg.is/1UUkeZ4
    Butch had the MSB GIS provide us the cell sequencing and other relevant Landfill features to overlay on the trails so we could see exactly where things were. If you click on the "Content" button (upper left), click on the 4th layer down (Classified Central Landfill Parcels), that's all Landfill land, and they could use all of it. That illustrates how much they are working to avoid the trails.

    I believe the time frame for the gravel extraction is to precede the cell construction by a short enough time so that revegetation would not be needed. So the timing would be affected by when the next cell is needed. IOW, recycle, reuse.

    For those of you familiar with K-Mart Alley, the Landfill has incorporated barriers to catch trash in windstorms AND they had crews help with cleaning up the trails. The last time I was back there, I was amazed at how clean the area was. No plastic bags decorating the trees. The Landfill is aware of us, but we are using their land.

    Remember that Crevasse-Moraine Trails were built on Landfill property as a temporary use in the 1980s. The trails could be there until the Landfill needed the property for its mission. We've already lost trails and prior parking areas - probably before many of the present users used the trails. However, the recent Landfill sequencing plan (2014?) went to great pains to avoid the bulk of the trail system. They had our trail shp files to overlay with their work.

    I have not had a chance to talk with Butch recently (I've been tied up with other things), but he did offer to provide one of the presentations in our educational series. I think he was suggesting visiting the Recycling Center and the Landfill and seeing how the whole process operates. What gets reused, recycled, composted, or whatever doesn't go in the landfill and extends the time that a cell will last. Technology will also improve over time, so the trash volume will decrease.

    That said, I'd encourage you to participate in the process in a positive way armed with accurate knowledge and asking good questions. Some of it is confusing. Useful discussion usually helps clarify things for everyone. Keep in mind this application is only for those cells 4-7.


    Another reason for participating is that trail users, including me, seemed to have missed the boat on commenting on the maintenance / recreational bond. The swimmers and skaters all had prepared comments and spoke for close to 1 hr. I was the only trail user and mumbled something about being hard to find trail users since we were generally quiet - unless we were perceiving a loss of trails. We need to show the commission / assembly that trail users are alive and well. It's just harder to count us because we don't have well-defined entrances to trails where we are easily counted and can see posted announcements.

    Enjoy the trails.

    Dot Helm


    I wasnt at the presentation tonight, but from previous meetings I have attended and other snippets of information Ive gotten on the subject is that while eventually there will be a few trails lost to landfill expansion such as the Kmart ally trail and some of the old cat trails nearby that are used to access the landfills test wells the bulk of trails will be left unaffected. There has been talk of developing the France rd parcel for some time if and when the landfill should move in the direction of the existing Crev-mo trails that are located down below the sledding hill in that depression.

    Check with the web site: Matanuska Greenbelt for more info. I looks like it hasnt been updated recently, but if you sign up to the mailing list you will get a bit more up to date information.

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    There is a public hearing on April 4 at 6 PM about this. Come and make your voice heard. The biggest problem we face is that this plan for landfill expansion was laid out years and years ago in the strategic plan, so it is just formality now. But if enough people express the sentiment that the make up of the valley resident is changing and newcomers value human-powered recreation and green spaces along with the freedom and better cost of living that the valley offers, maybe the planning commission will be swayed into reassessing.

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