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    dj (dirt jumper), sk8 park, urban killer bike...

    is anybody building a dj/sk8 park bike? i have my fr/dh bike, and my winter, just kickin' around bike. i was looking at building a dj (dirt jumper), sk8 park, urban killer...
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    brian i actually just got done buidling a DJ bike. I came across a mongoose thunderball frame from 2006 that was lightly used and started building on it. I am just waiting for the brakes to get here and im done. i was skeptical of mongoose but the frame is solid so..
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    i know there's two types/levels of mongoose. there is the wal mart special, and then the higher end. right now, i have a bid on an stp frame w/ head set. like i said in my earlier post, i ready like how the stp rode. i was alittle surprised... i just thought having a dj ht would be good in building some skills. my winter, just kicking around is a ht. but not really built to handle the abuse of dj.sk8 parks, etc... plus, an fs bike makes you kinda of lazy. the fs compensates if you make a mistake. a ht, you make a mistake, you'll going down... ht's, you have to ride alot cleaner... you should post some pic of your dj (and your fr/dh) bike...
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    i can do that.. let me get my hands on a camera...
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    changed my mind about my dj bike...
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    There are a couple dj courses around town. I think the biggest non-private is at Connor's Bog.

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    weird...
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    changed my mind about my dj bike...
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    thats a nice looking frame we gotta hit the DJ park up also when im home.
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    Qoute by Scary Larry:
    {Just to let you guys know. Yes, Connors Bog is not private, but is under city parks and rec. If a freeride course is found it will be torn down. That piece of land is not classified, for whatever some idiots want to construct illegally, kind of city property}

    No one said anything about a freeride park and yes, it is a municipal off-leash dog park. With the amount of trash from the snow dump and dog crap everywhere, I wonder what it is classified for. The dirt jump course has been there, growing with new construction, for over 3 years.No trees cut or moved and no walking trails disrupted. There are folks riding it everyday and no complaints yet. The jumps are to the side of the main drag so anyone who has visited the park is aware of aware of them and it attracts some spectators. The city knows it is there - it is not hidden. It is amazing that the city hasn't filled it back in, but their inaction clearly suggests that they have turned a blind eye. If they filled it in or posted it once in the last 3 years then I would be concerned.

    Those "idiots" are local kids in my nieghborhood. They have done it responsibly and established good relations with dog walkers and users. Not every trail has been established through the proper channels (although I would encourage folks to do so). It takes years to construct trails through proper channels (kudos to STA) let alone a dj track. I applaud the kids for channeling their passion, doing something active outside, and for just being kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brian_404
    i know which one you're talking about. its by the trail going to the lake. we ride by that all the time in the summer... we stopped and was checking it out. the ground is like concrete... someone built a kicker out in the field just pass the jumps, going tore the opening in the fence by the road... one day we were ridin' threw, and saw that someone had brought in a cat and leveled it out...
    Are you sure they level Connors Bog track? It must have been late this fall.

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    go out and have funn...
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    kids will be kids...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scary Larry
    Well Mr Brian, you have now generated a visit out to Connor's Bog. I will bet Tim Woody would like to join me. The visit won't happen until spring, but I guarantee it will be checked into. I used to walk a dog out there, before it was a dog park, and enjoyed the lack of junk out there. I guess a phone call to Parks and Rec is going to be made also. You freeriders are not making friends here; you haven't since you have joined us.
    JOINED YOU?? We might frequent the same forum but i dont go around threatening people who mention something i dont agree with. People like this blow my mind... If it is not your type of riding then its destrcutive and in poor taste. News Flash freeriding is not going anywhere, almost every bike company is starting to cater to the freeride market. Get use to it. For now people see it as a punk aspect of biking but soon it will be accepted and embraced. look at skateboarding. i remember when you could not find a single skate park in Anchorage so we skated behind buildings and at the courthouse and we got all this flack for being punks. now there are skateparks in anchorage, eagle river, wassilla, juneau, pretty much everywhere. Alaska seems to be the slowest progressing state in the whole US. In Colorado we freeride everywhere and as long as we are respectful when people pass everything is fine. Jesus you even mention freeriding in this forum and people lose control of their bowels.

    Nostalgia is one thing but freaking out about the progression of a sport is another. this reminds of the Agusta Country Club who will not let womena and miniorities join the golf club. Hell they wouldnt even let Black Pros play there til 1975, and they still wont let Women Play! I know most of you are probably older than i am (21) but think about when you were 18 20 and your damn rock and roll music was the workd of the devil. I feel like im in a Bike Version of the Movie Footloose. <b>Most trails become legal because they are illegal at first.</b>
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    Larry - not making friends in Anchorage by threatening people that don't share your same views and riding style. For the record, there is no freeriding park at Connors (no structures, raised obstacles, etc.). There are a couple jumps made out of dirt. The only junk that resides in Connors is the trash blowing over from snow dump and all the dog crap.

    Give it a rest. Let the kids enjoy their park. The dog walkers don't mind. In fact I was talking to my nieghbor yesterday and he was telling about the day last summer when someone was complaining to them riding out there and this elderly lady came by with her dog and told the "complainer" to get the hell out - that she had been walking there for 30 years and he should leave the kids alone.

    Do you remember what is what like to be a kid looking for stuff to do in the summer and then have some curmudgeon ruin your fun? Do you remeber riding through the woods when you were growing up - building jumps and forts? Some of my most adventurous year were the ones I spent running around the forest as an adolescent and teen. If you want to help the park, how about talking to the muni regarding their dump that spills into the park or better yet help the kids establish the park with the muni. Maybe you should take a walk out there and look before threatening since you haven't been out there since before it was a dog park - that was a long time ago. You are all about tearing something down and you haven't even seen it or been directly affected by it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scary Larry
    Well Mr Brian, you have now generated a visit out to Connor's Bog. I will bet Tim Woody would like to join me. The visit won't happen until spring, but I guarantee it will be checked into. I used to walk a dog out there, before it was a dog park, and enjoyed the lack of junk out there. I guess a phone call to Parks and Rec is going to be made also. You freeriders are not making friends here; you haven't since you have joined us.

    Give it a break "Tattle Tale". Were you ever a kid? It sounds like on hear they haven't done anything most of us didn't do growing up riding bikes and being a kid. The regular park users don't seem to have issues with it either.

    This old school MTBR attitude towards the new school freeriders reminds me of the rodie "nose in the air" attidude towards the new school mountain bikers back in the early 90's . Just because its something you aren't into or don't have the balls to do doesn't mean its wrong. Back off...these guys just want to have fun riding bikes like everyone else.

    BTW if you've been keeping up with the industry lately. Freeriders aren't going away.They've given the industry new life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hab1b
    Alaska seems to be the slowest progressing state in the whole US.
    I seriously believe that the coefficient of mustaches and mullets is higher here than any other state in the union. Maybe someone should put out a PSA on that instead of dogging out creative kids......unless ther'y a-holes......then dog away.
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    why can't we all just get along?
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    Melllowwww...

    I think it would be awsome if everyone just mellowed out.
    I also think the issue here is a misunderstanding. The STA people (I'm not a member) are very concerned for all of the hard work they have put in on the hillside carving out singletrack. Imagine if you built a bad arse series of jumps and you showed up one day to hit said jumps only to find that they had been torn down for no real reason. I would be super pissed if I went for a ride on one of the trails that I have personally worked on here in the valley and found where someone had shoveled out some stunts. The other problem is permission, if guys build without permission in areas where this would be a requirement, and it pisses people off, then they complain. When they complain it makes it harder for the people who try to get permission, to get it.
    I personally love going airborne with my bike, I just choose to use natural terain rather than constructed. I am the same way on my snowboard, I can fly with the best of them but you will never catch me in the park. It just doesn't feel right to me.
    One last point, when I was young (for I am still very much a kid) and someone told on someone else for whatever reason they most likely got a beatin'. Don't take that as a threat, I'm just saying most situations can be handled without the involvement of the MAN. Anythime the authorities are involved decisions start getting made for people instead of by them.
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    i just bought in my 2004 specialized bight comp and weigh it. it weighs...
    45.5 pounds!!! the guy at the LBS, i asked if he wanted to try my bighit, and i told him to go for it... he liked it...
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    THIS JUST IN: changed my mind about my dj bike...
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    yeah, i changed my mind about building one. i've been working two jobs to support my MTB habit... i picked this baby up... it's an 07 p2 chro-moly. i think i'll like it much better... it was going to cost me ten times more to build one...plus, i'm a big specialized fan... I can't WAIT for the snow to melt...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bones get broke
    I seriously believe that the coefficient of mustaches and mullets is higher here than any other state in the union. Maybe someone should put out a PSA on that instead of dogging out creative kids......unless ther'y a-holes......then dog away.
    Have you ever been to Ohio??? Mullets and dirt malls for all...

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    huh???
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    There's rumors of a certain somebody petitioning the city to install a BMX track, some dirt jumps and maybe some other stuff over at Hillside. This city is such an untapped resource, I hope he gets everything going!

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    I went and saw the family for X-mas in Ohio and made the mistake of going to a flea market (i.e. dirt mall). There were more mullets than you could shake a stick at.

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    if it's true, they can count me in... it's hard to say. that would be GREAT!!! it would be 100% legal, and it would keep all sides happy...
    i'm wondering if they are going to put back up the sk8 parks this summer. they had on the news of some problems at the minnesota sk8 park. the one at beboke goes up most summers...
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    Thoughts on the Connor's Bog discussion..

    What are the facilities that Scarry Larry is riled up over? A small series of dirt jumps and berms dug out of the weeds on the edge of a powerline easement. The terrain is relatively flat and the obstacles do not create any erosion issues. It is my understanding that they have been in plain sight for a host of park users for years, and I have not heard of any specific park user conflicts. That said, I will happily acknowledge that they are an unauthorized appropriation of municipal/utility property.

    Now, if someone who is no way affected by the efforts of a local community--in this case, mainly kids as these trails are really best suited for BMX bikes--threatens to put an end to their constructive efforts, I believe they are wholly misguided. I'd like you to consider that the Minn. skatepark--which only consisted of three decrepit ramps--was taken down last year under the guise of criminal elements. (This is something of a self-fullfillng prophecy based on the park: no offerings of interest and shrouded behind a hedge.) But, Connor's Bog isn't overrun with a "bad element". Oh, and the kids who ride there might otherwise be riding the streets around midtown, grinding on the ledges and rails of local businesses and municipality property. I don't think skateboarders or BMX riders are going anywhere, but the city provides them with no facilities. How much do we spend on paved multi-use trails? disc golf courses? soccer fields? indoor swimming pools? horse stables? ski hills? softball fields?... So what's the point of this rant? Larry, do you really need to take away from the fun of a bunch of neighborhood kids? Can you name one group that they present harm to? (outside of themselves, 'cos we all know 360's are a great way to dislocate shoulders.) Are you willing to vote, let alone support, some sort of initiative to provide proper facilities for this recreational interest? Unfortunately, the user group that most benefits from this recreational area--one that the city currently considers superfolous--often isn't of the voting age.

    Please understand, I would not brazenly and unabashedly defend guerilla trail building in the Chugach. I will defend the right of the local community to utilize the local spaces as best fits there needs up until the point that it poses a severe safety risk or directly infringes on the rights of usergroups. [that's a mouthful.] If you don't like it, please try to consider it as an alternative to the municipality--and ultimately tax-payers--paying to construct user specific facilities for the hundreds of kids who like to jump their bicycles in this town. As an avid mountain bike rider--freeride, downhill, endurance, road, hillclimb... and BMX rider--I wouldn't be that disappointed if they appropriated money from some of the "precious" cross country double track to build a nice covered (like the dozens of ice rinks at schools throughout the city) skate/bmx park. Of course, the guys that drive their fancy cars with racks sporting fancy bikes would be in an uproar... so, again, the kids get the shaft....

    Oh, and to whoever had the arrogance and vanity to s**t on some of the newer board members because they disagree with their riding style, should sincerely apologize. Trying to alienate members of the cycling family is simply ridiculous. Disagree with their opinion on a specific issue, but just leave it at that. I think we all want the same thing--more riding options (for our specific taste) that are legal and sustainable.

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    I dont mean to defend or advocate anything, but most of us on this board are XC junkies. The comments at the beginning of this post seemed pretty out of line & closed minded, I seriously doubt that some kids building some jumps in an urban area are going to negativly impact the goals of obtaining permission to build sustainable trail on the hillside and chugash.

    Bikes are bikes, the joy one gets from crusing for hrs on singletrack, might just be the same as for someone linking up some doubles.. thats the bueaty of our sport.

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    Say it ain't so... Bearbait, I know that most of the regular poster are avid cross country riders. And many of you are damn good ones at that, but I have to say that your reinforcing this XC only attitude. It, and many of the opposition voices have been read by me as exclusionary and at times contemptful.

    I've only been in AK for two years, and I just started riding MTB's last summer, so I've leaned heavily on the regional forum to find new places to ride and new folks to ride with.
    I've been to several of Carlos' winter races and ridden with several of you. (I'm the shmuck pumping away on the forty pound long travel, one or two laps behind you guys on your sweet sub 30 racers.)

    But. I'm no cross country racer. I'll give 24 of Kincaid another solo shot. I hope to make the Soggy Bottom. But it won't be long before my freestyle bike comes out and you'll see me riding manuals through downtown Anchorage. And I'll still continue to commute into town for school or work when the trail on the Glenn is clear. And I'll still go out and climb Arctic Valley to blow off some steam. But where do I fit in? Is this board not for me? The kids in the UAA bike club get irritated because I'm getting cynical and s**t on their idealism about saving the planet from ourselves. I just wanted to find other people who have a visceral reaction to pedaling. The kids I meet on the street riding BMX are teenagers--we often have the same vile, disinterested reaction with each other. ...The point is, I don't fit any particular mold and I am surprised when I meet people who do want to be pigeonholed.

    This has gotten way off subject, but I only entered into to this discussion when I read a comment about essentially one cyclist having another group of cyclist trails plowed. I addressed that in fair amount of detail.

    However, to bring up the broader point: why is cycling so exclusive? Shouldn't everyone of you support any one pedaling one, two, or three wheels? The best responses to the newest board members have been the ones that have directed these guys to more responsible avenues--i.e., STA or ABC. Maybe more constructive commentary and discussion could be generated.

    Oh, maybe when discussing subjects of less interest, the Jump crowd could put something like "jump" or "downhill" in the subject line of their strings--you know, to offer some segregation.

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    No, man you mis-understood me completly 180 degrees.
    What I said was anything but reinforcing the XC-only attitude.
    just read my post again. I hear you.

    What I wrote was to put the comments of "I'll tell on you for building without a permit.." in place. There is a difference between kids building some kickers in a developed urban part of town and illegaly cutting new trails in Campbell tract.

    I think alot of people sterotype the free-ride scene in a very bad way and they have never even tried riding a bike with 8" of travel down a vertical roll over. Its super fun and addicting.

    I'll say it again, like you hit on at the end of your last post, Bikes are bikes, some have fun riding for 8hrs some have fun hucking themselves... its all good and both sides should recgonize the merits of both without being agro about anything outside their box.

    Sorry for the mis-understanding
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    dude, bring up bmx bikes. about 3 summers before (this is when i had my haro dave m. flair), i took our boys, and there friends came along. there's was like 7-8 of use just riding all over the place on our bmx bikes. the peoples faces where, PRICELESS. i had one guy at holiday ask me if we where a racing team. i thought that was pretty cool.
    the only problem i see is, and has always been, ak is like 5 years behide everyone else... well, maybe ak is catching up alittle bit... i was here when the ymca had that bmx track in the back. i remeber racing my bmx bike over off of c street (when it was only a two laner) years ago. but they all disappeared...
    it's time for change. i'd like to see change, but in a 100% legal way...
    the xc vs fr/dh-dj-sk8 park is just as funny as the chevy (i have a chevy ) vs ford vs dodge people... LOL!!!
    oh, by the way... the last time i looked the Thread, it said Alaska. i didn't see any xc.
    like me, i came to the alaska thread to meet some cool people here in the great ak, if you xc, fr, dh, or just ride a bike, lets hang out and go riding. i'm not here to argue on whats right and wrong. can i please get an AMEN?
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    amen! i have come the to the realization that Ak is a XC state, if my freeriding bothers any of them so be it. i do my best to be considerate but sometimes people will think what they want.
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    Perhaps all of this is why we are starting to see the real advancement of Urban riding.

    Freeriding rocks. It looks great and it feels great. But it's a b***h to get land access. I will be the first to admit that I don't know how the fabled trails around British Columbia are regulated. I do however know that in the US, public land use is heavily regulated and private property is revered. When I lived in Washington state, I heard about folks who would build courses in areas that had been clear cut and all but abondoned. This seemed like a positive use for what was otherwise an environmental catastrophe. But it just isn't that way around here. The mountains seem to be under muni/state/federal/military control. There are very few (personally) opportunities to appropriate land without the risk of adding to the anti-cycling communities arsenal of reasons why we should be banned from XYZ area.

    So, back to the Urban portion of this argument. Perhaps the time is upon us to reappropriate the industrial/commercial/suburban facilities that surround us. Amongst the concrete landscape, arguments of erosion and other environmental damage are soundly dismissed. Instead of building ladders and bridges to drop in off of, try dropping in off some of the highway overpasses--many have near perfect banked landings and clear roll outs. A two foot kicker in the back of your truck can turn an otherwise misdirected drive around town into a perfect opportunity to discover new territory. I've been doing this with my BMX bike since I was 17. I'm almost thirty now, but come June, my 20" will be in the back of my truck everywhere I go.

    So to anyone who likes the thrill of small or large drop, the rush of clearing adrenaline inspiring gaps, the excitement of weaving throught traffic.. lets ride the city landscape. There are loading ramps, Jersey barriers, paved embankements, accessible wall rides, etc all over this town. If you want to make Anchorage a leader, then let's take those long-travel/big-hit/jump/burly hardtails/etc out to explore the urban offerings.

    .. Whatever you ride.. ride.

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    the good battle

    Yes Alaska is a xc state. Mostly because thats what most of the riding here is and "freeride" is rather new(ak is always behind). If you freerider types want a place of your own to ride, what you are now doing on this forum is a good start! Posting with a good attitude, and resisting flames and soapbox rants. Repesent your sport with honor and maturity. Your biggest enemies will come from within. Poaching, silly and damaging trail\stunt building and the "image" some of the mags and vids about your sport are putting forth will destroy you. Fight the good battle. First organize yourselves, then lobby for areas of your own. Go through the proper channels and show that you are willing to do it right. Police yourselves and be ready to give more than you take. It will take time and be fairly painful at first,but once you get the ball rolling it comes much easier. You deserve as much as the rest.


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    OK, I'll chime in here. I have to admit to being a mostly XC geek but I do have a gnarly set of stunts and ramps that I built in my backyard. It's just that I don't bounce as well now that I'm getting longer in the tooth. I would point you freerider guys to the International Mountain Biking Association, they have had really great results working with local groups to get new freeride areas built. They do advocate getting a permit from the landowner, designing the stunts and ramps so they will last and be relatively safe to ride. They print some great publications on trail building with an emphasis on building sustainable trails, ie, not high maintenance trails straight down the fall line. I can't speak for STA, but our club in Palmer, Valley Mountain Bikers and Hikers, would be very amenable to work with you guys on getting a free ride trail or two built. We've had good luck working with local government agencies getting permission to build on public land and will be building some more sweet singletrack this summer. I think a clearly signed expert-only offshoot of the Mooseberry Mesa Trail would be something that could happen. Anyway, best of luck.
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    i don't believe in labels... like music. if i listen to rock, to me it's rock, not alternative, etc... so, to me, riding your bike, is, well, riding your bike... i just LOVE to ride my bike. i can do the xc thingy, or whatever. i was talking to the owner of that new LBS on huffman last summer, and he said that he would give fr/dh a try, if there was a place to go... i think he's 110% xc... there's alot of xc riders that tried fr/dh and got hooked... you don't have to do 20 foot drops to fr/dh. it takes alot more skill that you think to fr/dh. alot of xc riders that cross over have GREAT skill on reading the trail. that's importation in any form of riding. i'm thinking of getting myself a fs xc rig too. i love the muscle strength and indurance needed for xc riding. when i trail ride by myself, i like to get into this mode, trying to keep my indurance going, and keeping the same pace... xc riding is difficult...
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