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    Conditions on Kincaid STA Trails

    How are the new STA Trails in Kincaid looking?

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    Covered in snow. Thank the fatbikers. The only snow around is on the groomed ski trails and the STA trails where the fatbikers roamed all winter.

    I'm not saying fatbikers are a scourge but the ground all around the trail is snowless and dry...

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    Packed snow is slow to melt. A couple more weeks of melting needed it seems.

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    Even it it weren't covered in packed snow right now, do you really think they'd be dry enough to ride any time soon? Probably not.

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    I guess we could give up 5 months+ of great winter riding and skiing to make it so the trails will be rideable a couple weeks earlier in the spring....

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    We go thru this every year haha....

    I rode STA May 15th last year, dusty and dry conditions well before the June 1st. All the trail nazi's were angry. You would of thought Al Gore himself had appeared on a drunken rant and delivered swift justice to the Anchorage Hillside to anyone on two wheels.

    Go out and observe conditions rather than relying on hearsay. Make good choices, and have fun. We did have a record snow year, just as much at elevation. However the frost line wasnt nearly as bad this year due to how much and how quick we got it. Should be good here in 3-5 weeks.

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    I was kidding about the fatbikes. I kind of want one although I prefer skiing my powder. The places on the trail that were not snowy or on the margins of snow were dry and hard FWIW.

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    Nazi's in Kincaid?

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    We go thru this every year haha....

    I rode STA May 15th last year, dusty and dry conditions well before the June 1st. All the trail nazi's were angry. You would of thought Al Gore himself had appeared on a drunken rant and delivered swift justice to the Anchorage Hillside to anyone on two wheels.

    Go out and observe conditions rather than relying on hearsay. Make good choices, and have fun. We did have a record snow year, just as much at elevation. However the frost line wasnt nearly as bad this year due to how much and how quick we got it. Should be good here in 3-5 weeks.
    Every year is different. Yes, last year trail riding was alot earlier. It'll be good sooner than you think. Some of us were riding the Ridge trail in April last year all the way to the beach. I'll go out on a limb and say most of that is good by now. No, I don't consider those sections of the Ridge trail to be STA or Kincaid really? Grandfathered maybe?
    Keep poking around though. Spread the news if you find ridable dirt...

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    Agreed

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    We go thru this every year haha....

    I rode STA May 15th last year, dusty and dry conditions well before the June 1st. All the trail nazi's were angry. You would of thought Al Gore himself had appeared on a drunken rant and delivered swift justice to the Anchorage Hillside to anyone on two wheels.

    Go out and observe conditions rather than relying on hearsay. Make good choices, and have fun. We did have a record snow year, just as much at elevation. However the frost line wasnt nearly as bad this year due to how much and how quick we got it. Should be good here in 3-5 weeks.
    I fully agree, June 1 is not a law...common sense dictates when the trails are ready to ride. However, I think the Kinkaid STA trails will need to dry and then some before they should be used since they are fairly new. I have the feeling that since the trail last received minimal use last year during the wet part of the year that it may be somewhat fragile until it has dried out completely. Those trails are so good I would hate to see them chewed up. Last fall, after the frost had set in and before the snow, some sections were not looking pretty.

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    Ridge trails

    Yeah, I was out there about this time last year and that was all very ridable...However, barely walkable in steep sections in my almost useless sidi dominators that I scored for $25 (and sold shortly thereafter).

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    I think there has to be some common sense with the trails as a user.

    If the recent decision to close down the frisbee golf is any indication then they'll just shut the rest of trails down as well (sarcasm.)

    BOT, I rode around Russian Jack yesterday. There was a bit of snow, bit of mud and a some dry trails as well. Looks like there is still a week or so before the trails there dry up well.

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    It will be a couple weeks for the STA trails to entirely melt out but some sections are already dry. Riding them may be delayed some but this time also presents a good oppurtunity to tune them up and do trail work.

    On that note, the bluff trail is completely dry and is being ridden. Would be great to get this trail improved so it isnt eroding away and was largely ridable both ways. Be aware of all the moose out there, crap load of them out an about.

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    Where does one access the bluff trail? Kincaid newb here.

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    You can access the bluff from the Jodhpur lot or from the Leikish trails adjacent to the Chalet. You can also access the bluff from beach trail...take the coastal trail from the Kinkaid chalet to the bottom of the hill. You will find a trail on your left at the very bottom of the hill just where the trail makes a sharp right hand turn to head back to town. The trail is well used, you can't miss it.

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    It was rad yesterday

    My dog almost got run over by a motorcycle though.
    "Having lack of self-preservation makes biking more fun."

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    Quote Originally Posted by polarflux View Post
    I fully agree, June 1 is not a law...common sense dictates when the trails are ready to ride. However, I think the Kinkaid STA trails will need to dry and then some before they should be used since they are fairly new. I have the feeling that since the trail last received minimal use last year during the wet part of the year that it may be somewhat fragile until it has dried out completely. Those trails are so good I would hate to see them chewed up. Last fall, after the frost had set in and before the snow, some sections were not looking pretty.
    I think you hit the nail on the head here. The trails are brand new and have not had a chance to set up yet. Some sections were getting tore up at the end of the season with the rain. Consider that much of the trail has not been seeded and has no root structure to hold the dirt in place, this will take time. The trails need to have the chance to dry and then some. The two guys i ran into out there last night trenching the trails said there was no signage indicating that they were closed. Well, that's where common sense comes in! If you are leaving trenches and sloughing the sides of the banked corners, then you are doing damage that someone will need to come back and repair. It's selfish really, to put your need for a quick thrill in front of that of the mountain bike community as a whole. If you look at the Kincaid project report Singletrack Advocates you will see that 205,500 dollars and 2,170 volunteer hours went into this project. That's a huge effort in my book. It would be a shame to ruin that hard work by not waiting a few extra weeks to ride. In the future if all of STA's time and energy is spent maintaining and fixing damage done to existing trails, I would think that less energy would be spent looking at developing more single track, possibly on the north side of the road in Kincaid or maybe in section 36. I think we should all take ownership and pride in this awesome asset to our community and help to protect it. Leave the trails to dry, consider coming out to volunteer when needed and lets keep making Anchorage a better place to live!

    On a side note, the bluff trail is totally dry and i would be happy to take those of you not familiar with it out there if your jonesing for some dirt. Pm me if you like. -Ryan
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    Hey, next time snap a photo of the kooks and post it up here or on the single track advocates sites so they can be property singled out. Just kidding, sort of. That really makes me mad that people can be so, uh, thick. Don't you know, c'mon!

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    Lots of trees down on the Kincaid trails. Somebody ought to get out there with a saw and clear them, I might this weekend. Not sure about legal ramifications of running a chainsaw in the park.

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    As long as you arent cutting down live trees what can someone really say? I exercise discretion when running one out there to just to avoid conflict but a pack saw will only do so much and the trails gotta stay open so.... Let me know if you go out, I can offer a hand or so I dont lug my saw around this weekend for naught.

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    My little stihl is nice and light, way better for this sort of operation than the jonesered I used to run. Wife and kids are going to a birthday party Saturday so that's when I'll be out.

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    As long as you are not dealing with really large trees, a small cordless electric chainsaw would be great for stealty park operation.
    Amazon.com: cordless electric chainsaw

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    Electric chainsaws blow goats. IME

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    chain saw fairies are rad! Please walk in, and resist the urge to ride. Also if you cut trees out of the trail, consider leaving as long of sections of tree as possible for future log rides and features. Just cut out as much tree as is safe to pass through. Thanx for the effort guys! If I were not heading to Homer this weekend i would definitely come out. I have a stihl 026 for this sort of work.
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    Jed, did you guys make it out to cut deadfall this weekend? Any thing you missed you would like me to pick up? Let me know.
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    Yep forrestvt and I went in and cut some out. Might head up hillside tomorrow, any deadfall up there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chugachjed View Post
    Yep forrestvt and I went in and cut some out. Might head up hillside tomorrow, any deadfall up there?
    One person I talked to yesterday mentioned that some work cutting trees was needed on the Hillside STA trails. Not sure where or if it is spread around all the trails.

    Thanks for working on the trails!

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    Knowing where would help my cause, limited time you know... I haven't been on the trails up there this season so I'll be going in on foot. Or maybe start from the top and ride down cutting out whatever I encounter, riding a bike with a chainsaw is no fun though.

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    I'm headed up around 6 tomorrow.

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    There is always trees down on yellow jacket, or there has been in the past.

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    Sweet! Thanks for taking the initiative! We all thank you!
    Meanwhile, back at the hive....

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    Kincaid is good to go. Come on out and get some great spring riding. Remember to make noise loud enough for opposing traffic to hear, especially in blind corners. Also A black bear and 2 cubs have been sighted so bring your bells or spray. There will be a work party on June 2nd starting at 8:30 am stadium parking below the chalet for those interested.
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    Rode a quick mile on my way through tonight. It was fast and dry!!!

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    Thanks

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    Kincaid is good to go. Come on out and get some great spring riding. Remember to make noise loud enough for opposing traffic to hear, especially in blind corners. Also A black bear and 2 cubs have been sighted so bring your bells or spray. There will be a work party on June 2nd starting at 8:30 am stadium parking below the chalet for those interested.
    Thanks for the Beta!.. It'll be good to ride something other than the Ridge trail or Kepler. All of which are fine choices....

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    If you ride the section of trail behind the water tank beware the angry moose. Got charged in there last night.

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    There's a moose out there that had a wet, as in just born calf a couple of days ago. She is charging people.
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    Maybe I'll reconsider riding with headphones tonight.

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    First time on the trails yesterday, and I gotta say they are awesome! It was so much fun.

    What does a work party entail? Can anyone go? I've never worked on trails before, is that a problem? Would I need to bring anything?

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    Kincaid

    Those are great trails! I got about 90 minutes of solid riding yesterday in the sun and it was loads of fun. I was mentally kicking my heavy wheelset, but still loving the ultra-grip on all the bermed corners. I had to ride Toilet Bowl three times just to take in all the awesomeness of it. Its very nice to see modern and bike specific trails come to Anchorage.
    Thanks to all the volunteers and the STA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VinceAK View Post
    First time on the trails yesterday, and I gotta say they are awesome! It was so much fun.

    What does a work party entail? Can anyone go? I've never worked on trails before, is that a problem? Would I need to bring anything?
    No previous experience needed! Bring work gloves, snacks and water. If you have a metal rake and or lopers they will be useful. We will have tools available as well. We will be fixing drainage issues and ruts.
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    Hey Kincaiders, I heard a Rumor Last night a Motorcycle was trashing trails yesterday. Though this would not surprise me in the least. I am curious though? Anyone see this evidence?

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    I saw some guys on minibikes on wed night

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    Yeah, I saw the two guys on mini bikes on Wednesday.

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    No a rumor. There has been a discussion going on over on the STA facebook page regarding this.

    Although it most likely won't get any kind of immediate response without there being an injury, reporting the sighting/encounters to APD will help create a record of it happening. If something happens in the future, this can help. Try to get identification information (license plate if it has one, type/color/style of motorcycle, description of rider, etc...). Photos with a camera phone could help too. Even if there isn't any official response, just the knowledge that we are recording that kind of information from them out there may help to stop at least some of it and our interraction with them will take away from their enjoyment of poaching the trails which may "encourage" them to go elsewhere. If they keep running into bikers stopping them, taking their picture, yelling at them, etc... they won't be having as much fun doing it.

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    I gave them a stern talking to on Wednesday. They weren't tearing up the trails though, they weren't even as fast as a bike. Little 50cc mini bikes

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    I just got a report that a rider was trampled by a moose on Good Greeff. This is the section of trail that goes through hairpin. I don't know the details yet, the rider was pretty banged up, but, walking out under his own power. The moose has a brand new calf with her. Please avoid this area and be extra careful out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ak greeff View Post
    I just got a report that a rider was trampled by a moose on Good Greeff. This is the section of trail that goes through hairpin. I don't know the details yet, the rider was pretty banged up, but, walking out under his own power. The moose has a brand new calf with her. Please avoid this area and be extra careful out there.
    How do we know where that is? I've only seen one trail map of Kincaid sta trails and it didn't have any names. I was hoping to get a ride in there soon but not sure where to avoid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alaskairhog View Post
    How do we know where that is? I've only seen one trail map of Kincaid sta trails and it didn't have any names. I was hoping to get a ride in there soon but not sure where to avoid.
    Try this link, it's something the map maker was working on, it's not finished, but under the circumstances it may help. You have to click on the sections to get names. http://www.arcgis.com/home/webmap/vi...0.0052,61.1602

    The official map is still in production but there are temporary paper signs in plastic sleeves posted out there on the trails. If you look at the ski trail map there is a feature called Hairpin, Good Greeff parallels Hairpin. That being said, the moose may move. Just be weary of any moose you see out there right now, the calf is tiny, you may not see it in the brush or grass.

    On another note, looking at STA's Facebook page, there appears to have been two separate incidences, one involving a man, and one involving a woman. Best wishes to those involved, and hopefully a speedy recovery!
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    After looking at the map, the lady I reported on Facebook may have been on Good Greef as well. I was on Mighty Bike about to turn down C$ Express when I ran into her.

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    Be aware that there are "a couple different" moose with fresh calves in the vicinity of the trail leading to The Chalet and Good Grief. Probably best to just avoid that area until they move on.

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    Something needs to be done about the moose infestation aroud the sand lake/kincaid area.....

    My vote is moose burgers for all participants in the trails day work party......

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