Out of the box Assembly

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  • 12-03-2012
    dlynes
    Out of the box Assembly
    guys,

    please share your experience with assembling your Airborne?

    Only Cons I can think of myself with Airborne or ordering bikes online:

    Assembly
    No Free Tune Ups (not sure what 12months of tune-ups would cost or if i'd even need/use it).

    Thanks,
  • 12-04-2012
    OilburnerDe
    No issues with setting up mine.

    But the bigger question is your comfort level, mechanical ability, confidence. Those are key.

    30 years ago my first full time job was at a bike shop, assembling bikes. Eventually became the repair shop manager. Times have change as well as bikes.

    Do I know how to bleed brakes, rebuild a shock? No. Could I do it? Probably, given the correct tools and enough research.

    Biggest issue I had with my 2nd Gen Goblin was dialing in the front dérailleur.(it wan't really a problem) Had to align it slightly and do some tweaking. Same with the rear, with the exception of the aligning. Heck, mine has less then 25 miles on it and is still be broken in.

    But after seeing how this bike was put together, even if you are a novice, it should be a fairly simple task.
  • 12-04-2012
    trevor_b
    Is assembly a case of putting on the seatpost/saddle, handlebars, front wheel/tire and making adjustments to everything? Or is the drivetrain in pieces etc and everything needs to be assembled?
  • 12-04-2012
    Barheet
    I assembled my Guardian in about 20 minutes. It took a lot longer to take it out of all the packing material than it did to put it together.

    Basic setup included adjusting and tightening bolts, and minor drivetrain adjustments like tuning in the rear derailleur. This took maybe 15 minutes. I had to do this again after a month or so due to changes in the derailleur cables while riding. I also experienced some brake pad rub on the hydros which eventually required me to bleed them. This is not the norm though. A quick youtube search will net you some good stuff to watch so you can learn how to do it yourself. After 4 months of riding, I took my bike in to the shop to get a new fork put on. While I was there, I had them true the wheels and adjust the rear derailleur for me since I had bashed the hanger on something and couldn't get it tuned in right. This cost me $20. The mechanic said the wheels were mostly true, which surprised me because I don't even have a truing stand and was eyeballing it.
  • 12-04-2012
    dlynes
    Would it be an insult to take an online purchased bike and have LBS assembly it?

    at the end of the day, business is business..and they would be getting one more bike in the shop then they already had...

    any idea how much it generally costs as well?

    thanks,
  • 12-04-2012
    Barheet
    For the life of me, I can't understand why anyone would do this. Can you turn an allen wrench? If yes, then you can assemble a bike.

    Yes, your LBS will help you with this, especially this time of year when it's slow.
  • 12-04-2012
    jkidd_39
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by OilburnerDe View Post
    Do I know how to bleed brakes, rebuild a shock? No. Could I do it? Probably, given the correct tools and enough research .

    A shock rebuild is cake. Never done one till a few weeks back cuz my LBS is lazy. Forgot my tools at my shop. Did it with a crescent wrench, a hammer, and a screwdriver. And a injection syringe from the kitchen.

    The Internet is your friend. The next thing I need to learn is how to adjust my derailluers.
  • 12-04-2012
    dhpeteinsc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dlynes View Post
    Would it be an insult to take an online purchased bike and have LBS assembly it?

    at the end of the day, business is business..and they would be getting one more bike in the shop then they already had...

    any idea how much it generally costs as well?

    thanks,

    Nope, no insult. They should have no problem helping you.
    Just dont tell them how much you paid for the bike ;)
  • 12-04-2012
    dlynes
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dhpeteinsc View Post
    Nope, no insult. They should have no problem helping you.
    Just dont tell them how much you paid for the bike ;)

    thanks,
  • 12-04-2012
    6_Myles
    Just timed myself with the new goblin that just got delivered...12 minutes and two allen wrenches to get it built. Probably another 20 minutes of checking every bolt, bearing and cable, and to run through derailleur adjustment.
  • 12-04-2012
    mi26r
    Took me about 30 min to assemble. Took another 30 min adjusting front and rear derailers (not including time spent watching how to videos on youtube).

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  • 12-04-2012
    Pantherburn
    Mine just got delivered today. Haven't assembled yet, but peeked and they now are coming with the rear wheel and derailleur already attached. Was that your experience also 6 Myles? That makes it that much easier. If you have any mechanical aptitude at all, you won't have any trouble. Just take your time.

    Regards,

    Frank
  • 12-04-2012
    6_Myles
    Yep, my Airborne Delta came that way too.....REALLY speeds up things.
  • 12-05-2012
    SD_Locals
    Hello fellow Airbornes,

    I just pulled the trigger on the new Goblin this past Monday. I can't wait to assemble this bike as it will be my first mtb. One question I have for the ones who already got their bike. How long did it take for you to get your bike from the time you place your order to the time you recieve? I'm just anxious I guess. :-)

    Cheers
  • 12-05-2012
    Barheet
    Mine took 4 days. I live in Iowa and they ship from the west coast.
  • 12-05-2012
    swildnm
    I've ordered 2 bikes from them, A Guardian and a Skyhawk. Both took about a week.
  • 12-05-2012
    CaTiRo
    On my Zeppelin I had to install the fork, stem/handlebars, rear derailleur, seatpost and front tire and pedals, and i think that was it. And then I adjusted everything. The fork was already cut and the star nut was already installed so that was a breeze.
  • 12-05-2012
    mi26r
    On my skyhawk, I just had to install seat, handle bars, pedals, and front wheel

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  • 12-08-2012
    SD_Locals
    Assembly wasn't that difficult even though there is no instructions on how to put it together. My only problem right now is I can't seem to get my front disc break to stop hitting the brake pads when the wheels spins? Any suggestion would help. It creates this squeaky sound. YouTube hasn't really help me yet?
  • 12-08-2012
    OilburnerDe
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SD_Locals View Post
    Assembly wasn't that difficult even though there is no instructions on how to put it together. My only problem right now is I can't seem to get my front disc break to stop hitting the brake pads when the wheels spins? Any suggestion would help. It creates this squeaky sound. YouTube hasn't really help me yet?

    Did you align the caliper to the rotor?
    Set the wheel in the fork and secure it. loosen the fron caliper bolts so you can move the it round on the mount. Squeeze the front brake a few times and you should see the caliper move around. Squeeze and hold it, tighten the the two bolts and that should do it.

    There are several threads on here as well as other sites as well as youtube videos.
  • 12-08-2012
    SD_Locals
    Thanks for the reply. I will try it out again like you said and see what happens? I've also notice that I can't really turn the front wheels and pedal the bike at the same time with out the top of my foot hitting the tires? Anyone have that problem? Will post up pictures later.
  • 12-08-2012
    trevor_b
    What size frame did you go with? How tall are you?
  • 12-08-2012
    SD_Locals
    Frame: 16

    I'm 5'6.
  • 12-09-2012
    BigDaddyFlyer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SD_Locals View Post
    Thanks for the reply. I will try it out again like you said and see what happens? I've also notice that I can't really turn the front wheels and pedal the bike at the same time with out the top of my foot hitting the tires? Anyone have that problem? Will post up pictures later.

    In order to fit the bike in the box with no resulting damage, the stem is turned around backwards on the steer tube. This is normal practice in the bike industry.

    It needs to be spun 180 degrees when you build the bike. If you didn't notice that and built it, the fork is effectively "backwards" which would result in greatly decreased toe clearance and whacky steering.

    Are the rotors both on the left (non-drive) side of the bike? If not, you need to loosen the two stem bolts on the back of the stem, spin it back around 180 degrees, then re-tighten.

    Hope that helps,

    Jeremy
  • 12-09-2012
    SD_Locals
    Thanks Jeremy! Toe overlap solved :-)
  • 03-04-2013
    trevor_b
    Re: Out of the box Assembly
    Would an all purpose grease be fine for greasing the pedal threads and seat post/tube? All purpose as in the same grease I use on my truck to grease tie rod ends etc. Any others places recommended to grease? Stem bolts? Thanks
  • 03-04-2013
    Tokomojo
    I use to use pipe tape for the pedals as I use to switch pedals a lot. Work fine and convenient. I recommend getting a tube of Park grease, which will last a long time. Use it on you seat post and all threads on your bike.
  • 03-05-2013
    drjay9051
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by trevor_b View Post
    Would an all purpose grease be fine for greasing the pedal threads and seat post/tube? All purpose as in the same grease I use on my truck to grease tie rod ends etc. Any others places recommended to grease? Stem bolts? Thanks

    I don't see how the type of grease is critical.. we are not dealing with high or low temps just normal climatic extremes. Say 30 F to 110 F.

    My buddy uses John Deere tractor grease (green) and he has been riding for 20 years.

    I'm new to all this and use plain old white lithium grease. I suppose if you use a bike specific grease you will be a better rider.
  • 03-05-2013
    BigDaddyFlyer
    Which grease to use on your bike is a discussion nearly as volatile as discussing what oil is best for your car or talking about religion! LOL.

    I use both the Park grease and also Phil Wood grease. Both have been good to me. But I also think white litium is probably OK for general use on a bike. Never tried JD Tractor grease but if its green maybe it has something in common with the Phil grease as it is green also.

    There are some places where the type of grease or lubricant IS critical, like for example if you are assembling a ti bike you definitely want to use the ti-prep that has copper in it.

    Jeremy
  • 03-05-2013
    drjay9051
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    Which grease to use on your bike is a discussion nearly as volatile as discussing what oil is best for your car or talking about religion! LOL.

    I use both the Park grease and also Phil Wood grease. Both have been good to me. But I also think white litium is probably OK for general use on a bike. Never tried JD Tractor grease but if its green maybe it has something in common with the Phil grease as it is green also.

    There are some places where the type of grease or lubricant IS critical, like for example if you are assembling a ti bike you definitely want to use the ti-prep that has copper in it.

    Jeremy

    Never knew that BDF. I have heard that if you use the John Deere tractor grease you get an increase in low end torque which helps with hill climbing. Also imparts a nice rumbling diesel sound to the hubs and gears.
  • 03-05-2013
    trevor_b
    Re: Out of the box Assembly
    Looks like JD tractor grease is the ticket. Does black smoke also come out of a smoke stack?
  • 03-05-2013
    drjay9051
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by trevor_b View Post
    Looks like JD tractor grease is the ticket. Does black smoke also come out of a smoke stack?

    Actually, yes. I picked up a nice chrome stack on clearance at Jenson. Difficult install so I had help from my LBS. Smokes like a champ. Only problem is on one of my favorite trails there are quite a few low limbs so it's a struggle.

    I have been toying with the idea of fabricating some sort of hinge device for the stack.

    Sort of like a dropper post. Low limb ahead, just hit the button. Only problem so far ishow to best mount the strut assembly to the stack. I'm trying to keep the bike weight down below 55 pounds.

    Hoping to have project finished in time for my Goblin which arrives on Thursday.
  • 03-05-2013
    trevor_b
    Re: Out of the box Assembly
    Hahaha. Nice.

    Where are you located? I'm on my phone so I can't see locations if you have that field populated. My goblin is scheduled to be delivered tomorrow (Wednesday), I'm in the Austin, TX area.
  • 03-05-2013
    drjay9051
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by trevor_b View Post
    Hahaha. Nice.

    Where are you located? I'm on my phone so I can't see locations if you have that field populated. My goblin is scheduled to be delivered tomorrow (Wednesday), I'm in the Austin, TX area.

    Ocala, Fl. Just south of Gainesville. North central part of state.

    Jenson has 2 stacks left so if your interested I suggest you order right away. You may also want to install the air horns they have on clearance. Not sure where you would mount the compressor. Maybe on a bracket between top tube and seat tube ??
  • 03-07-2013
    Usulsuspct
    I received my Airborne Goblin this week and while I had the bike unpacked and put together with minimal strain I am struggling getting the kinks worked out. The front brake has been rubbing since I put the wheel on.

    I first attempted the recommendation found in the Avid manual that was included with the bike for the brakes. Which amounted to simply loosening the mounting bolts applying some brake pressure and retightening. No luck...

    After trolling some posts I then tried to remove the entire assembly, take out the pads and fully depress the pistons. When reattaching to the bike I placed two business cards between the rotor and pads, repeated the mounting instructions in the manual. No luck...

    I then contacted Airborne for their input and was essentially that rotor could be warped and I should watch a youtube video for help. The video outlined how to bend the rotor back into true using either a special tool or a crescent wrench. When I followed up with support asking if this was common place to have to take a wrench to bend a new rotor, I was told that it was not uncommon to have to "dial a rotor in".

    While I am admittedly not a bike mechanic - this seems a bit heavy handed solution for a brand new bike. So I am not debating on what to try next...I really dont want to take a wrench to the rotor and then end up having to replace it or take it to LBS after I probably mess it up more, or take it to a LBS and pay for them to fix it.

    That is my experience thus far with my Airborne - bike looks awesome, however maybe a bit beyond basic skills to dial in.

    I was also surprised that the bike came with no instructions on unpacking / assembly. I did get a manual for the bike and components, but nothing mentioning assembly steps.

    Sorry for the hijack - I dont have enough posts to create a new topic and this was as close a subject I could find.

    Good luck with assembly!
  • 03-07-2013
    sfb12
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Usulsuspct View Post
    I received my Airborne Goblin this week and while I had the bike unpacked and put together with minimal strain I am struggling getting the kinks worked out. The front brake has been rubbing since I put the wheel on.

    I first attempted the recommendation found in the Avid manual that was included with the bike for the brakes. Which amounted to simply loosening the mounting bolts applying some brake pressure and retightening. No luck...

    After trolling some posts I then tried to remove the entire assembly, take out the pads and fully depress the pistons. When reattaching to the bike I placed two business cards between the rotor and pads, repeated the mounting instructions in the manual. No luck...

    I then contacted Airborne for their input and was essentially that rotor could be warped and I should watch a youtube video for help. The video outlined how to bend the rotor back into true using either a special tool or a crescent wrench. When I followed up with support asking if this was common place to have to take a wrench to bend a new rotor, I was told that it was not uncommon to have to "dial a rotor in".

    While I am admittedly not a bike mechanic - this seems a bit heavy handed solution for a brand new bike. So I am not debating on what to try next...I really dont want to take a wrench to the rotor and then end up having to replace it or take it to LBS after I probably mess it up more, or take it to a LBS and pay for them to fix it.

    That is my experience thus far with my Airborne - bike looks awesome, however maybe a bit beyond basic skills to dial in.

    I was also surprised that the bike came with no instructions on unpacking / assembly. I did get a manual for the bike and components, but nothing mentioning assembly steps.

    Sorry for the hijack - I dont have enough posts to create a new topic and this was as close a subject I could find.

    Good luck with assembly!

    Chances are its the rotor none of those things work. Your LBS mechanic should have a tool that will true the rotor by heat and it shouldn't cost too much. And you have too be mechanically inclined to build them, this is partially agreeable.
  • 03-07-2013
    Usulsuspct
    I dont mean to sell myself short...I would consider myself mechanically inclined just not exactly bike smart. My last experience with bikes was pre-suspension era mechanical brakes :D

    I just pulled the wheel off and reseated, performed the Avid instructions and the wheel rub seems to be gone. Although I am afraid to take the wheel off again!

    Now on to tweak the shifting as it seems to be missing on some gears. Just need to get this thing buttoned up to get out this weekend. We may be in for our first decent temps of the year.
  • 03-07-2013
    OilburnerDe
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Usulsuspct View Post
    I was also surprised that the bike came with no instructions on unpacking / assembly. I did get a manual for the bike and components, but nothing mentioning assembly steps.

    For what it is worth, I have never assembled a bike that came with unpacking and assembly instructions. Hundreds of Schwinns, Giant's, GT, Mongoose etc. So it is not something that Airborne ommited like you may think. It is not like a piece of furniture from IKEA, where instructions are almost a requirement.
  • 03-07-2013
    Usulsuspct
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by OilburnerDe View Post
    For what it is worth, I have never assembled a bike that came with unpacking and assembly instructions. Hundreds of Schwinns, Giant's, GT, Mongoose etc. So it is not something that Airborne ommited like you may think. It is not like a piece of furniture from IKEA, where instructions are almost a requirement.

    Thats cool - I have never purchased a bike like this before so I am not sure what is typical or not. That being said the assembly was pretty simple. I guess it depends somewhat on who Airborne envisions is their target market.
  • 03-08-2013
    trevor_b
    Re: Out of the box Assembly
    I got my goblin yesterday and assembled it with no issues except for the brakes rubbing as well.

    How much daylight should you see between the pad and rotor? Both the front and rear looks like the pads are in contact with the rotor. I tried to adjust the calipers using the mounting bolts but it just looks like the pads are too close to the rotor to begin with. This is my first set of hydraulic brakes.
  • 03-08-2013
    BigDaddyFlyer
    Just replied to your email, check it!

    Thanks,

    Jeremy
  • 03-08-2013
    trevor_b
    Re: Out of the box Assembly
    Thanks Jeremy! I will try that when I get home.
  • 03-08-2013
    trevor_b
    Re: Out of the box Assembly
    So I got the rear to stop rubbing but the front is still giving me issues. I'm at a loss. Using a flat head screwdriver or even the bleed block/pad spacer that was provided and no luck. How hard do I need to "pry" the pads apart? I'm worried I will pry too hard do I haven't really gone at it hard.

    Another question, in order to keep the cables from rubbing on top of of the fork, is it ok to zip tie them together up higher on the head tube (kinda in front of the the "A" on the head tube)? I don't want to have to shorten the cables right out of the box.
  • 03-08-2013
    Zerort
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by trevor_b View Post
    Another question, in order to keep the cables from rubbing on top of of the fork, is it ok to zip tie them together up higher on the head tube (kinda in front of the the "A" on the head tube)? I don't want to have to shorten the cables right out of the box.

    I used black electrical tape - not to hold the cable, but as a buffer to prevent it from rubbing on the fork and paint on the frame. Can't even see it.
  • 03-08-2013
    sfb12
    Out of the box Assembly
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by trevor_b View Post
    So I got the rear to stop rubbing but the front is still giving me issues. I'm at a loss. Using a flat head screwdriver or even the bleed block/pad spacer that was provided and no luck. How hard do I need to "pry" the pads apart? I'm worried I will pry too hard do I haven't really gone at it hard.

    Another question, in order to keep the cables from rubbing on top of of the fork, is it ok to zip tie them together up higher on the head tube (kinda in front of the the "A" on the head tube)? I don't want to have to shorten the cables right out of the box.

    You shouldn't use a screw driver it will damage the pads. Use something plastic to prevent that damage
  • 03-08-2013
    BigDaddyFlyer
    If the pads have been opened up and the caliper is centered on the rotor and its still rubbing, the last thing to check is to ensure your wheel is fully inserted properly and straight in the drop-outs of the fork. You'd be surprised how many times a brake rubbing issue is due to this seemingly small detail.

    Jeremy
  • 03-08-2013
    Zerort
    ^^^^ This.

    Trevor, where are you located? Maybe someone on this board could take a look at it if you are local to them. Also, if you are an old person like myself, go have a cup of tea, take a break, and come back to it. I'm betting this is a simple fix.

    Good luck.
  • 03-08-2013
    trevor_b
    Re: Out of the box Assembly
    Lol I'm only 24 but I did have some tea.

    I'll get back at it in a little bit. I really press the fork down to ensure the QR is fully seated, and try to not to move the tire as I tighten the nut. I'll give it another try in a little bit.
  • 03-08-2013
    perturbo
    Re: Out of the box Assembly
    In my case, my green Goblin's rear brake rubbed a bit when I first took delivery of the bike. Bleeding the system just a tad resolved the issue.
  • 03-08-2013
    Usulsuspct
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    Quote:

    Originally Posted by trevor_b View Post
    Lol I'm only 24 but I did have some tea.

    I'll get back at it in a little bit. I really press the fork down to ensure the QR is fully seated, and try to not to move the tire as I tighten the nut. I'll give it another try in a little bit.

    I know it doesn't help you much but my front brake rubbing finally stopped. I did a combination of removing caliper and pads, depressing pistons and removing tire. Magically after trying all of this on a few separate occasions the rubbing stopped. When the rubbing stopped I carefully tightened down the caliper by alternately tightening the mounting bolts. So far so good.

    I did notice that ne of my pads looked like it was "missing" a bit of material which I thought was odd but it's working now so I am hesitant to futz with it anymore.

    (I attached a pic of my pads - sorta hard to tell but pad on left looked like a portion was missing.)

    Good luck! I am now learning about dérailleur tweaking.