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    Introducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er

    We are pleased to announce the coming of the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er.

    Based around an all new trail version of the Goblin frame with the following differences from a normal Goblin frame:

    Frame optimized for 120mm travel fork

    Larger diameter top-tube, downtube, chainstays, and seatstays

    Contoured "Round-to-Square" seat-tube with direct FD mount

    Pressfit GXP BB shell

    Clearance for 2.5inch tires

    142x12mm rear Maxle

    69 degree HT with 435mm chainstays and 12.5inch BB height

    All of the above changes make the Goblin Evolution better suited and dialed in for trail use. When it comes to spec, we've included parts that we knew would make an awesome trail Goblin: 120mm RockShox Revelation fork with 15mm Maxle and lock-out, Hayes Prime Comp hydraulic brakes, X7 2x10 drive train with an X9 Type 2 RD, Sun-Ringle Charger Comp tubeless-ready wheelset with custom matching decals, Maxxis Ardent 2.4 folding bead tires, and a Truvative Stylo T-30 cockpit.

    $1599.95. Available the first week in February, just in time for Spring.

    For more info, check it out at Airborne Bicycles. Goblin Evolution.

    Thanks!

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    Nice work Airborne folk, this looks like a trail crushing bike! Hope to get a chance on one next season.

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    Introducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er

    Any ideas on weight??

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    That is a slick bike!

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    Blue? NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

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    I like that color....thought I was getting an early Xmas present. Not out til feb..nicely spec'ed

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    Any ideas on weight??
    From their site: 27.4lbs with tubes.

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    Black and blue, yall should have named it "The Bruiser".

    J/K looks awesome, and I'm sure it rides even better.

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    Jeremy, when does the hobgoblin evo come out? ?

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    Re: Introducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er

    Wow. Me want!


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    Looks nice.

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    Great looking bike!

    I was looking at getting a trail hardtail next summer... this adds a front runner.
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    Introducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er

    It's very nice. It's a great bike to compare to the niner ROS and the original Canfield Yelli Screamy.

    If not for my yelli I'd be looking at getting this.

    Carbon bars, seatpost and tubeless should get you down to 25lbs. SS it to 22-23lbs

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    good looking bike! i was in the process of ordering a regular goblin until i saw the evo i think i will be ordering the evo instead!

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    Killer. Dang, love the angles and set up. Winner winner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    It's very nice. It's a great bike to compare to the niner ROS and the original Canfield Yelli Screamy.

    If not for my yelli I'd be looking at getting this.

    Carbon bars, seatpost and tubeless should get you down to 25lbs. SS it to 22-23lbs

    Pretty much exactly. I was looking at building up a Nimble9, buying a Taro (I can get the 13's at sub $1000, hard to beat,) or an older 26" wheel trail bike... but Airborne has been good to me, so I may just splurge instead.
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    Will you guys be selling a evolution frame only eventually?

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    Introducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er

    Quote Originally Posted by skyphix View Post
    Pretty much exactly. I was looking at building up a Nimble9, buying a Taro (I can get the 13's at sub $1000, hard to beat,) or an older 26" wheel trail bike... but Airborne has been good to me, so I may just splurge instead.
    You couldn't buy the components for 1599 to complete a N9 so yeah. It's a deal. One of the guys I ride with is considering this bike just to tear it down and build the yelli frame on the wall.

    Then sell the frame.

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    Everything looked great until...

    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    Pressfit GXP BB shell
    Please tell me this is a misprint and that Airborne didn't get duped into the press fit BB fad.

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    Well its no cross bike but that thing is hot. I know a couple of guys who might be interested

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flip D View Post
    Everything looked great until...



    Please tell me this is a misprint and that Airborne didn't get duped into the press fit BB fad.
    Had zero issues between 3 different Hobgoblin set ups; one ridden in a normal xc fashion, the other two were put through the ringer (but well cared for). Zero issues.

    (and to somewhat fair, I'm pretty close to being a curmudgeon in a lot of ways. I dislike new standards, or rather the lack of adherence to standards over the past few years across the board.)
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    We've had zero durability/maintenance issues with pressfitGXP BB's. The wider BB shell is also part of what enabled us to make room for more rear tire clearance.

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    I was this close to pulling the trigger on a Goblin XO, but was still hesitating. This thing is so sexy, though. As soon as I get the email back on what size I should get, I'm going to order one.

    On question: will this bike come with the stock Revelation RL with the Dual Position Air feature? I know companies sometimes get special OEM versions that aren't exactly the same. We have some long climbs here, and I think this would be a great thing.
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    Dang it, now I'm running a coolness deficit for sure.

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    thought this bike/thread would see a ton more action and chatter around it...whats everyone's thought on this thing from a pricing standpoint?

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    With shipping costs it's pretty close to the Trek Stach, but the fork, brakes, bar/stem, and maybe the wheelset are all big upgrades. I'd say that makes it a pretty good value. Except for the part where you have to wait until February.
    Dang it, now I'm running a coolness deficit for sure.

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    Re: Introducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er

    Quote Originally Posted by BigTBoston View Post
    thought this bike/thread would see a ton more action and chatter around it...whats everyone's thought on this thing from a pricing standpoint?
    I was sold on a Taro until this was released. While I wish there was a "seeker evo" for sub $1k the price point here is great for the spec, and while I'd end up upgrading a Taro and pushing my cost over the total for the goblin evo, I wouldn't need to upgrade the Airborne.

    I think the price is right for the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTBoston View Post
    thought this bike/thread would see a ton more action and chatter around it...whats everyone's thought on this thing from a pricing standpoint?
    Pricing is great. I think it's gonna take a second for ppl to wrap there heads around the design of the bike.

    It will be a riot of a bike but it's a gravity oriented hard tail. That's tough for some XC guys to get.

    I still occasionally get baulked with my yelli screamy. Then we go down hill. After a while they wanna follow me down. Keep in mind when the AM HT idea came out people said it would never work. Here we are tho.

    If airborne did it right then this thing should roast. Although I think the 120mm isn't the best choice. But a fork swap is cheap.

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    ^^^ which fork do you think would work better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sti2.5ldohc View Post
    ^^^ which fork do you think would work better?
    I'd recommend a 140 mm fork. Manitou tower pro, fox talas. Rock shock revelation 140. White bros.

    I love my tower. It's a great fork. Easy to work on. And reasonably priced. And Clydesdale friendly.

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    I def want to order one soon, its just a tough time of year for a lot of people with the financial burden of the holidays coming up.

    I think Airborne's target market for this bike were people like me....that bought a XC bike but realized they also want to ride on some tougher rougher & more technical trails and downhills. On Airborne's site they said they are only making these in limited production....hopefully they'll be available for a while.

    I plan on keeping my regular Goblin to use for most of the riding I do. And it would be nice to have a Goblin Evo for those days I want to get a little crazy on the tougher trails.

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    I'd like a "hobgoblin evo" to compliment my goblin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WineDine29er View Post
    I think Airborne's target market for this bike were people like me....that bought a XC bike but realized they also want to ride on some tougher rougher & more technical trails and downhills.
    This is exactly what happened to me, I started on a Guardian, but found myself wanting something in a slacker, AM/trail 29er. Once I started riding a slacker bike I found that there was really no reason to keep my XC bike, A bike like this really does it all for me.
    I wish this was available about a year ago. It looks like a great ride, at a great price point. I'm glad to see Airborne adding some Trail/AM bikes to their lineup again.
    I'll definitely recommend this to riders looking for a bike to ride on our local trails.
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    Oh, decisions, decisions! This bike makes me rethink buying a hobgoblin. I want them both! Love that airborne is branching out. I know where my next bike is coming from!

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    I bet that thing will rip...and dig the color scheme also..

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    I like the geo of this bike. Except for offset it is better than a Stache and close to the new Superfly.
    If this is a 2014 Revelation fork the new mid valve damping stack makes for a quality unit and a good improvement over the 2013 Revelation.
    2014 RS Revelation midvalve with reb. and comp. shim stack
    I'd like to see 51mm offset which is optional on some Manitou models for 2014 and the RS Pike for 2014. Could be something RS would do for the Revelation.

    If this is a 13 fork it can be updated easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eb1888 View Post
    I like the geo of this bike. Except for offset it is better than a Stache and close to the new Superfly.
    If this is a 2014 Revelation fork the new mid valve damping stack makes for a quality unit and a good improvement over the 2013 Revelation.
    2014 RS Revelation midvalve with reb. and comp. shim stack
    I'd like to see 51mm offset which is optional on some Manitou models for 2014 and the RS Pike for 2014. Could be something RS would do for the Revelation.
    anyone know if this is the 2014 or 2013 model?

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    Quote Originally Posted by swildnm View Post
    I wish this was available about a year ago. It looks like a great ride, at a great price point. I'm glad to see Airborne adding some Trail/AM bikes to their lineup again.
    I'll definitely recommend this to riders looking for a bike to ride on our local trails.

    I'm in this boat. Had I known something like this was coming I would have waited to purchase my Airborne. As I ride something with a slacker HT, I have no desire or need, to ride my XC. Maybe someone on Craigslist will want it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Westorbust View Post
    I'm in this boat. Had I known something like this was coming I would have waited to purchase my Airborne. As I ride something with a slacker HT, I have no desire or need, to ride my XC. Maybe someone on Craigslist will want it.
    It wouldn't be the same but you could install a 120mm fork on your current bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTBoston View Post
    anyone know if this is the 2014 or 2013 model?
    Bumping this thread to see if Jeremy or someone from Airborne can confirm 2013/2014 Revelation on the EVO. Also, has anybody on here ordered one yet?

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    Can't you change the shim stack on the RS anyways??? Does it matter? We played with the stack on my Manitou Tower.. I can guarentee that unless you are 165lbs the stack prob isn't ideal anyways...

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexzhu1 View Post
    It wouldn't be the same but you could install a 120mm fork on your current bike.
    That's exactly what I'm doing. We'll see how it goes.

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    Introducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er

    Just curious if the small size is going to have a bent top tube like the Goblin?
    Trying to get a visual;-)
    Can't wait too hear more about this bike. Any early release for review by a reputable publication / online source?
    My next purchase is still a little ways out, but sure get off on reviews of the bikes I'm interested in!!! Lol
    Love what you guys did price / spec / design with this one.
    Me want.

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    I really liked this bike when I first saw it, I was debating between this and a Stache. Being a former owner of a couple of Treks I went ahead and ordered a Stache, so I wouldn't have to wait for the Goblins release. The good news is my brother ordered an 18 inch Goblin Evo, so we will be able to get some good comparisons come February. I got a brand new 2013 17.5 Stache 7 for $995 shipped to my door, that left me with plenty of fork upgrade money and eventually i'll do a wheel set upgrade also.

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    I stumbled onto this Airborne forum while researching/looking for a new mountain bike (currently riding a stock 2001 Trek 4500). I'm intrigued by the Trek Staches, so the Goblin Evo looks mighty appealing to me (similar geometry with better components at a lower price)! When can we expect reviews of the Evo?

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    will this bike be more flickable and nimble than a standard Goblin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivera View Post
    will this bike be more flickable and nimble than a standard Goblin?
    First a disclaimer: I only own a Goblin and have never ridden an Evolution.

    But from what I've been able to gather, it has a slacker HT angle. That additional caster should keep its steering stable at speed. So not flickable or nimble as compared to an XC bike.

    On the other hand, it does have overall weight (it's a pound lighter out of the box) and wheel weight going for it. Its chainstays are shorter so it is only about an inch or so longer in wheelbase than the standard Goblin. Plus it can easily get lighter just by taking it tubeless if you choose.

    But lighter tires and/or wheelset on a standard Goblin is probably more like what you're looking for...or a Goblin XO if you can afford it.

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    I've found that a shorter chain stay often gives a bike much more playful feel: it will turn a little sharper at speed, manual and initiate wheelie-type maneuvers easier. With the slacker head angle it will like be more stable at higher speeds too. I take it that the design is intended to be a "trail" bike as opposed to XC. So it's a bit burlier frame wise, and more rugged component wise (fatter tires, more travel).

    Flickable and nimble are little vague, but I'd venture to *guess* the EVO will be better on downhills, pumps, bumps and jumps. Things the Goblin is not really designed for (but can handle just fine).

    I've not ridden the EVO, so this is speculation based on riding experiences.... To answer the question, my best guess is "yes". But better to be answered by the guys that tested them
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeinMinn View Post
    First a disclaimer: I only own a Goblin and have never ridden an Evolution.

    But from what I've been able to gather, it has a slacker HT angle. That additional caster should keep its steering stable at speed. So not flickable or nimble as compared to an XC bike.

    On the other hand, it does have overall weight (it's a pound lighter out of the box) and wheel weight going for it. Its chainstays are shorter so it is only about an inch or so longer in wheelbase than the standard Goblin. Plus it can easily get lighter just by taking it tubeless if you choose.

    But lighter tires and/or wheelset on a standard Goblin is probably more like what you're looking for...or a Goblin XO if you can afford it.
    Lots of good points. Maybe the weight will be of some help.

    Quote Originally Posted by jhazard View Post
    I've found that a shorter chain stay often gives a bike much more playful feel: it will turn a little sharper at speed, manual and initiate wheelie-type maneuvers easier. With the slacker head angle it will like be more stable at higher speeds too. I take it that the design is intended to be a "trail" bike as opposed to XC. So it's a bit burlier frame wise, and more rugged component wise (fatter tires, more travel).

    Flickable and nimble are little vague, but I'd venture to *guess* the EVO will be better on downhills, pumps, bumps and jumps. Things the Goblin is not really designed for (but can handle just fine).

    I've not ridden the EVO, so this is speculation based on riding experiences.... To answer the question, my best guess is "yes". But better to be answered by the guys that tested them
    Exactly, I'm not trying to make comparisons here, but the style of the bike is along the lines of Trek Stache, Canfield Nimble 9/Yelli Screamy, etc. Which all have been famous for being very playful and also able to handle good amount of serious trail better than cross country geometry bikes. I like the Canfield bikes, but I feel like I'd spend alot of money on a ground up build.

    I'll be riding Georgia trails around Atlanta area, which from what I have seen many are rooty and rocky, but sometimes smooth out.

    I just want a very playful bike, something that can be bunny hopped, or pick up the front wheel pretty easy, and be agile enough for me to toss around. I'm not a big guy at 5'7 160lb so a light bike can make a difference to me.

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    I would guess the Goblin or the EVO version will both do fine. I wouldn't go so far as to call the Goblin "playful", it's much more a solid, stable platform to navigate miles at speed and finesse. It will maneuver very well through a variety of terrain, and the term "Cross-Country" really pinpoints its characteristics.

    If I were looking for a playful build, I'd go with the EVO. Those fat tires are sexy You're right, I think the market they're aiming for is the segment occupied by the Stache, Honzo, Yelli...

    EVO seems right your alley.

    (You'd save even more weight going tubeless on it and switching to 1x10 but that's not really for everybody...)
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    What would be required to do the 1x10?

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    Basically removing the big ring & front derailleur would just about do it. You could get a narrow/wide chainring to help with chain retention but the "type II" rear mech should really do the trick on itsown. Maybe add a bash gaurd.

    Going to 1X10 is more about taking away than adding components.
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    sounds good... this bike is really attractive to me, I'll keep an eye out for it in the coming months, if things work out I'll pick one up just in time for spring

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    I just got an email back from Eric at Airborne, he confirmed the fork is the standard Revelation RL, year 2014 model. The wheels also come with the tubeless kits for those interested.

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    Bring back free shipping and I'll order mine right now! Wooohooo

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    Goblin Evolution Trail 29ers are on track to land in the warehouse early next week and begin shipping to customers who have pre-ordered before the end of the week.

    If you've pre-ordered one we'll shoot you your tracking# via email the day after it ships.

    We've pre-sold a high percentage of them already so while we are stoked we need to get up on a second production run sooner than later now.

    Thanks so much!

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    That's awesome news!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post

    We've pre-sold a high percentage of them already so while we are stoked we need to get up on a second production run sooner than later now.

    Thanks so much!

    Jeremy
    Great news! Also, yes, more production runs please. Need more time convincing the wife how badly I need this bike...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sti2.5ldohc View Post
    Will you guys be selling a evolution frame only eventually?
    Ditto. Frame set only? Please.
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    There are no frame-only's planned at this time.

    Thanks,

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    that blue paint is just beautiful!

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    I'd order one right now if it was a different color

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    Thanks~

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    My brother got his goblin evo last night, so we went out to compare the evo vs Stache. We've had a little to much rain lately so it wasn't much of a comparison due to nasty clay mud that was packing around our wheels and stuff not allowing much riding.

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    at least we know they are out in the wild. any other pictures or reviews out there?

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    Introducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er-img_20140215_223911_098.jpg

    Mine arrived today. Unfortunately I'm buried in snow so it will be awhile for I really test it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMKLR View Post

    Mine arrived today. Unfortunately I'm buried in snow so it will be awhile for I really test it out.
    Nicee! What size frame is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WineDine29er View Post
    Nicee! What size frame is that?
    20 inch

    Also, I weighed the bike at 28.4 lbs with tubes and egg beaters. Once the snow melts I'll go tubeless. The bike seems very balanced in my opinion. And just looks mean with the 2.4 tires and large tubing. Cant wait to hit the trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMKLR View Post
    20 inch

    Also, I weighed the bike at 28.4 lbs with tubes and egg beaters. Once the snow melts I'll go tubeless. The bike seems very balanced in my opinion. And just looks mean with the 2.4 tires and large tubing. Cant wait to hit the trails.
    Nicee! Yea i absolutely love the look of the 2.4's....and I hear ya, sick of sitting inside...waiting for the 2 feet of snow to melt here in Connecticut

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    On plainlooks alone, I'd definitely say the Stache has it with the frame design/aesthetically, colour wise I like the Goblin EVO. Looks like a bad time to ride any bike, they'd all clog, but very curious to see a clearance shot from underneath of those big 2.4' to the chainstays and from above to the seatstays. Will say again though, that's quite a lot of bang for your buck with the Gobliv EVO, any reason you changed out the stock bar/stem other than personal preference?
    Quote Originally Posted by Badbinder77 View Post


    My brother got his goblin evo last night, so we went out to compare the evo vs Stache. We've had a little to much rain lately so it wasn't much of a comparison due to nasty clay mud that was packing around our wheels and stuff not allowing much riding.
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    Bars and stem were just personal preference. My Stache has the same size bar and stem, so both bikes were relatively close feeling. The Stache has a little more slope on the top tube , so stand over height is a bit better. The Goblin is spec'd out a little nicer but I personally prefer the shimano components on the Stache over the sram on the goblin. The goblin feels a little closer in the cockpit (bars to seat) then the Stache. Both are fun playful bikes, now just waiting on the weather to start logging miles.

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    Evo frame looks beefier than the stashe...at least from those pics

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    Evo looks sweet, I love the color, well done Airborne!

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    FYI, we are waiting for our shipment of RD hangers to arrive here in March. If you need one for the Goblin EVO in the meanwhile, this one fits:

    Jamis Bam '08 & '09 Derailleur Hanger > Components > Drivetrain > Derailleur Hangers | Jenson USA Online Bike Shop

    We've also given the info to the guys at derailleurhanger.com and they should have it up soon on their site as well.

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    I know you said no frame-only so I'm requesting a frame-only. It will be my next build. Until then, the Goblin frame I just received will have to do. TIA for your consideration.
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    LOL, OK, thanks guys. Noted.

    In the interest of full disclosure, with the exception of the Pathogen we typically focus on complete bikes because we are able to offer a deeper savings compared to other manufacturers on a complete bike versus a frame-only.

    I'll throw this out as an experiment: What do you think the msrp should be on a Goblin EVO frameset? Assume it includes frame, headset, and rear maxle.

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    $450.

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    $300.

    EDIT: $350-$400 with the maxle.

    Much higher and there will be questions about the price difference between this and the regular Goblin frame.

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    Yes! 350-400. I don't mind paying more with the maxle and the fact that you may have a smaller run since this geo may not appeal to as many riders.
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    Considering the Kona Big Unit is something like $670 without the headset or MAXLE, and even a 2013 Honzo is $534 again without the headset (but with the maxle), I think the $350-$400 price point is spot on.

    An even farther reach are the offerings from Canfield, which are all 600+, and the Niner ROS9 (although, that one is 853, so an unfair comparison,) rings in at 800+

    I think a budget "big" hard tail frame is due on the market... now... but not if it delays the steel frame we discussed, Jeremy.
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    I am looking to get back into mtb riding after a decade off. I used to ride a Ventana Pantera and raced in TX. Looking seriously at the Goblin and Goblin XO. I am wondering if the Goblin EVO might not be a better fit. I live in Atlanta now and with the variety of riding available, the EVO looks like a nice bike. Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    FYI, we are waiting for our shipment of RD hangers to arrive here in March. If you need one for the Goblin EVO in the meanwhile, this one fits:

    Jamis Bam '08 & '09 Derailleur Hanger > Components > Drivetrain > Derailleur Hangers | Jenson USA Online Bike Shop

    We've also given the info to the guys at derailleurhanger.com and they should have it up soon on their site as well.

    Thanks,

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    FYI we now have Goblin Evolution hangers in stock. We are working to get them on our website in the next few days. If you bend yours and need one in the meanwhile, please give us a ring at 800-888-BIKE and we can get one out to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atlmktr2013 View Post
    I am looking to get back into mtb riding after a decade off. I used to ride a Ventana Pantera and raced in TX. Looking seriously at the Goblin and Goblin XO. I am wondering if the Goblin EVO might not be a better fit. I live in Atlanta now and with the variety of riding available, the EVO looks like a nice bike. Thoughts?
    It's pretty hard to make recommendations because the type of riding and your own weight play into your decision-making. I like the Evo, in part, because it fills the x9 sweet-spot in the Goblin lineup. Plus it offers more ruggedness with just a small frame weight penalty. So if you're a heavier rider, this may be the right bike. If you prefer terrain that goes a bit beyond XC, this is a good choice. Also if you are looking for a more nimble ride, this has the shorter stays to make it happen. This bike might also be a little more forgiving if you aren't a smooth rider.

    But if you want stability (less twitchiness), prefer XC riding, want to make the bike really light weight, or are a lighter person yourself, buying and modding a Goblin or, better yet buying an X0, is a better choice. All will save you tremendous amounts of $$$.

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    Well, to put things into perspective when I was racing in TX, I was 203lbs. So, definitely not a little guy. I am considerably more than that now which is one of the reasons I am gtting back into riding.

    Is there a weight limitation for any of the Goblin series?

    As for riding type, probably something multipurpose, given the mountains near Atlanta which seem to be full of great trails plus XC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atlmktr2013 View Post
    Well, to put things into perspective when I was racing in TX, I was 203lbs. So, definitely not a little guy. I am considerably more than that now which is one of the reasons I am gtting back into riding.

    Is there a weight limitation for any of the Goblin series?

    As for riding type, probably something multipurpose, given the mountains near Atlanta which seem to be full of great trails plus XC.

    Like most manufacturers, we don't list a weight limitation for our bikes, but for the most part, as riders exceed 250lbs, the envelope in terms ofdesign, fatigue, and longevity tend to get pushed somewhat. That doesn't mean that bikes will begin to self-destruct, but key items like wheels/spokes/hubs, driveline, and suspension start to get stressed.

    Think of the EVO as a beefier version of the Goblin. The wheels are wider and beefier, tires are bigger, frame tubes are bigger, fork is more robust, etc. It's definitely more rugged and with the back end being shorter its definitely more "playful" in certain situations than the regular Goblin. But if you are riding in a true "cross-country" sense of the word, like out at Conyers for example, the regular Goblin will be faster and better from Point A to Point B than the EVO.

    There's been a trend lately of "trail-esque" 29ers with slacker HT's and shorter stays, like the Stache, Mason, etc. Its still a relatively small niche but one that we wanted to be in, hence the EVO. My personal opinion is that the "classic" geometry of the Goblin will never not be in demand as it is more forgiving and stable in certain situations. That's why we are pretty much leaving the regular Goblin geo as is and adding in the EVO as an addition to the line-up for those that are looking for that sort of thing.

    Hope that helps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by atlmktr2013 View Post
    Well, to put things into perspective when I was racing in TX, I was 203lbs. So, definitely not a little guy. I am considerably more than that now which is one of the reasons I am gtting back into riding.

    Is there a weight limitation for any of the Goblin series?

    As for riding type, probably something multipurpose, given the mountains near Atlanta which seem to be full of great trails plus XC.
    No weight rating that I know of, but the rims on the Gob Evo are wider and stronger. Plus the hubs are probably a little better for more weight.

    But to get answers to your questions, I suggest a call to Airborne. They are usually in the office and are great to chat with. They can get into the details with you. Plus you avoid the inevitable pitfall of accepting info from a guy (me) who is making suggestions based on specs, guesses, and assumptions.

    But here's a guess for you anyway The Evo sounds like a good choice for you. Unless you are planning on getting right back into racing, the wider rims, bigger tires, stronger frame, and trail orientation of this bike seems like it would be a good fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeinMinn View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by atlmktr2013 View Post
    Well, to put things into perspective when I was racing in TX, I was 203lbs. So, definitely not a little guy. I am considerably more than that now which is one of the reasons I am gtting back into riding.

    Is there a weight limitation for any of the Goblin series?

    As for riding type, probably something multipurpose, given the mountains near Atlanta which seem to be full of great trails plus XC.

    Do you like to huck around, jump, some drops (more than say, a foot or two,) or just be generally rowdy? The Evo will be more... playful... but like Jeremy said, not as stable over rough stuff. The Goblin and Goblin based bikes are still pretty playful, but they're definitely a more stable, slower steering bike (don't take that negatively, they still handle super tight switchbacks just fine and without drama.) I haven't ridden an Evo, but I've ridden bikes like it. If the Evo had been out when I got my Seeker, I probably would've gone that direction instead, but only because of the riding I prefer doing, not because the Seeker holds me back in any way, shape, or form.

    As for weight, My riding weight hovers around 250 and I ride a Seeker. The frame still feels stiff under pedal. The only issue I have being that my weight is above what the rear hub enjoys dealing with on steep, techy climbs.
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    Thanks for the information guys. I am certainly interested in the Airborne given the enthusiasm for the brand. The atttention from Jeremy in this forum is also a plus. Next step? Give the boys at Airborne a call...

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    Introducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er

    Quote Originally Posted by skyphix View Post
    Do you like to huck around, jump, some drops (more than say, a foot or two,) or just be generally rowdy? The Evo will be more... playful... but like Jeremy said, not as stable over rough stuff. The Goblin and Goblin based bikes are still pretty playful, but they're definitely a more stable, slower steering bike (don't take that negatively, they still handle super tight switchbacks just fine and without drama.) I haven't ridden an Evo, but I've ridden bikes like it. If the Evo had been out when I got my Seeker, I probably would've gone that direction instead, but only because of the riding I prefer doing, not because the Seeker holds me back in any way, shape, or form.

    As for weight, My riding weight hovers around 250 and I ride a Seeker. The frame still feels stiff under pedal. The only issue I have being that my weight is above what the rear hub enjoys dealing with on steep, techy climbs.
    Clarification please.. How is the original goblin more stable than the evo?

    I would say that's backwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    Clarification please.. How is the original goblin more stable than the evo?

    I would say that's backwards.
    I've put many miles on both models, and IMHO the short rear end of the EVO lends itself to be a little more "jittery" on bouncy/rocky/rooty descents. Its the tradeoff of being more "flickable" than the regular Goblin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    Clarification please.. How is the original goblin more stable than the evo?

    I would say that's backwards.


    Like what Jeremy said, the Goblin geo lends itself to going over a straight path smoother when the going gets rough, the short rear end of the Evo lends itself to feeling like you can just chuck it into a corner. I'd also call the aggressive HT geo more confident inspiring when the going gets steep, with the slack HT angle. Like I said before, I ride my seeker on berms and BMX-style trails often and love it, but when I ride the same type of trail with more aggressive geo it just feels like you can play around, throwing the bike around, rather than pointing and shooting like with the Goblin/Seeker frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glide the Clyde View Post
    Yes! 350-400. I don't mind paying more with the maxle and the fact that you may have a smaller run since this geo may not appeal to as many riders.
    I wanted to follow up on this. We've had a lot of internal discussions regarding making an EVO frame-only offering.

    IF we do it, and sell it at $350 plus shipping ($25), will you guys that are asking for it pony up and buy one?

    I'm leaning toward bringing in a small amount and testing the waters. If it doesn't sell well, then I can just not make more.

    Would you want a different color than the Mexico Blue, or do you like the blue?

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    Re: Introducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er

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    I wanted to follow up on this. We've had a lot of internal discussions regarding making an EVO frame-only offering.

    IF we do it, and sell it at $350 plus shipping ($25), will you guys that are asking for it pony up and buy one?

    I'm leaning toward bringing in a small amount and testing the waters. If it doesn't sell well, then I can just not make more.

    Would you want a different color than the Mexico Blue, or do you like the blue?

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    I would send paypal right now if it helped push the process along Jeremy. I would love a matte color of some sort, maybe black?

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    I'm not interested in a frame-only, but it would be fantastic if you offered another color other than that blue. Black, white, green, silver, gray, orange, yellow.

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    Hey BDF, the EVO isn't a bike I'd need (I'm old and broken down) but that's an incredible price. But let me ask this, on a bike like that, would it be more "attractive" if you sold it with a fork? My thought process tells me that most people don't have long travel forks laying around to build that type of bike on a "budget" like the xc category. Of course raise the price accordingly.
    Just my 2’

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre View Post
    Hey BDF, the EVO isn't a bike I'd need (I'm old and broken down) but that's an incredible price. But let me ask this, on a bike like that, would it be more "attractive" if you sold it with a fork? My thought process tells me that most people don't have long travel forks laying around to build that type of bike on a "budget" like the xc category. Of course raise the price accordingly.
    Just my 2’
    I probably won't do a frame/fork combo because it would be hard to pick the perfect fork that everyone would like. I'm assuming that someone buying a frame-only is picky about their build and they may prefer Fox, DVO, X-Fusion, etc.

    I would send paypal right now if it helped push the process along Jeremy. I would love a matte color of some sort, maybe black?
    No need to give us money up front.

    I'm not interested in a frame-only, but it would be fantastic if you offered another color other than that blue. Black, white, green, silver, gray, orange, yellow.
    We don't have any immediate plans to change the color on the complete or offer an additonal color.

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