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    Idea! Going 1x10 - 30T Race Face N/W

    After upgrading the stem and tires, it is time to experiment going to a 1x10 setup. Right now the 30T Narrow/Wide RaceFace chainring is on sale at BikeBling for less than 24 bucks! With some great advice from 8ikingVIIking, I pulled the trigger on it last night. With this upgrade, I will lose about a pound in weight and (hopefully) find the gearing that I am needing. I find myself in certain circumstances either too high geared or too low with no middle ground between the 24 and 38 chainrings. If anything, this will be a great experiment to see if I can find that middle ground. I will update once it arrives next week with pics and a small writeup as there isn't much to the upgrade.
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    Interested to see the conversion.

    What's a example of a circumstance where you are "too low or high"?

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    Going up hills mostly trevor_b. There is a 3 mile loop that I hit after work everynight with a section of uphills that I just can't seem to find the right gear for. I have run that section in the 24T - 3rd and 4th gear, and 38T - 2nd and 3rd gear and neither of them feel right at all. I have gone above and below the gears I have stated, but no luck. I can make them work, I just think I can make it work better if I had a chainring that was inbetween the 24 and 38.

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    What do you mean by doesn't feel right? Too hard or too easy to sit and spin etc?

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    Yep, you hit the nail on the head. I have had my Goblin only a month now, but I am coming off a 2x7 setup on my Giant that I rode for two years and wondering if that has something to do with it. Perhaps just not used to the new gearing??

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    Yea I know coming from a 3x8 previously to a 2x10 on the goblin it was definitely a different/learning experience. I have a good handle on it now though (after 500+ miles).

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    I don't think I can wait that long...lol - right now I am at 150 miles. Not sure I could wait another 350 miles to see if I can grow into it. For 25 bucks though, it is worth a shot to see if this does anything for my riding. Worst case is that I hate it too, but can easily get my money back out of the chainring on CL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s0ul_chicken View Post
    After upgrading the stem and tires, it is time to experiment going to a 1x10 setup. Right now the 30T Narrow/Wide RaceFace chainring is on sale at BikeBling for less than 24 bucks! With some great advice from 8ikingVIIking, I pulled the trigger on it last night. With this upgrade, I will lose about a pound in weight and (hopefully) find the gearing that I am needing. I find myself in certain circumstances either too high geared or too low with no middle ground between the 24 and 38 chainrings. If anything, this will be a great experiment to see if I can find that middle ground. I will update once it arrives next week with pics and a small writeup as there isn't much to the upgrade.
    Are you also getting a type 2 RD? It really needs that as well to work the best. The leaving the FD still-on-as-a-guide trick works "OK", but it doesn't keep the chain from popping off all of the time. The type 2 FD helps a lot.

    Good luck!

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    I'd be interested in trying this out. Do you plan to completely remove the FD? If so, isn't a chain guide needed?

    Jeremy, are you saying that chainring with no FD and a type 2 RD won't need a chain guide?

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    With the narrow/wide ring, it should not need a chainguide for the most part, but a rear derailleur with a clutch would be ideal (according to RaceFace). I just want to try this ring on for size as an experiment, and then if it works as far as gearing, then I will seek out a clutched rear derailleur (or a nice chainguide depending on cash flow). I have talked to several people that use this 30T ring in a 1x10, and they all love it, with almost no dropped chains.

    As far as the front derailleur, I will more than likely ditch it when the time comes. All I plan to do is remove the shifter and cable for the first few rides to see how it all works and feels.

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    I recently switched to a 1x9 setup on my Guardian with no guide whatsoever, as the FD wouldn't adjust over enough to act as one. At first I dropped the chain with the standard ramped middle ring on the crank a couple times a ride, depending where I rode. I bought the RF narrow wide chain ring and no drops at all now, YMMV. This is with a standard X9 rear derailleur. A type 2 rear derailleur would make the drive line even more secure.

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    Thanks s0ul_chicken. For $30 shipped i ordered one to try. I find myself never using the large front ring on my goblin, however, I find the small ring a little small. If I like the gearing I might do the same as you by losing the FD + shifter and upgrading to a type 2 RD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuskenraider View Post
    I recently switched to a 1x9 setup on my Guardian with no guide whatsoever, as the FD wouldn't adjust over enough to act as one. At first I dropped the chain with the standard ramped middle ring on the crank a couple times a ride, depending where I rode. I bought the RF narrow wide chain ring and no drops at all now, YMMV. This is with a standard X9 rear derailleur. A type 2 rear derailleur would make the drive line even more secure.
    Thats good to hear! I take it you wouldn't go back?

    Quote Originally Posted by MysticRI View Post
    Thanks s0ul_chicken. For $30 shipped i ordered one to try. I find myself never using the large front ring on my goblin, however, I find the small ring a little small. If I like the gearing I might do the same as you by losing the FD + shifter and upgrading to a type 2 RD.
    According to 8ikingVIIking, he used the inner chainring bolts to secure the new chainring since they are a bit longer. What color ring did you get?

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    Quote Originally Posted by s0ul_chicken View Post
    According to 8ikingVIIking, he used the inner chainring bolts to secure the new chainring since they are a bit longer. What color ring did you get?
    I just went with boring black.

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    I had to go green myself!

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    Quote Originally Posted by s0ul_chicken View Post
    Thats good to hear! I take it you wouldn't go back?
    Nope, quite happy with 32T chain ring and 11-32T cassette. Enough gear range for the asphalt or any climbs here in the midwest.

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    I thought about a 32T, but for an extra 15 bucks I said no...lol - not sure why the 30T is cheaper, perhaps over-produced.

    The 30 will go to a 11-36, should be interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticRI View Post

    Jeremy, are you saying that chainring with no FD and a type 2 RD won't need a chain guide?


    Yep, that's correct!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticRI View Post
    I'd be interested in trying this out. Do you plan to completely remove the FD? If so, isn't a chain guide needed?

    Jeremy, are you saying that chainring with no FD and a type 2 RD won't need a chain guide?
    I am running 34T WnW with no guide and my stock X5 RD and have not dropped a chain once. Lots of roots rocks and mud too.

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    That is the fourth testimonial I have come across on running everything stock - do you think it will hold up as the chainring wears?

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    Quote Originally Posted by s0ul_chicken View Post
    That is the fourth testimonial I have come across on running everything stock - do you think it will hold up as the chainring wears?
    I dont see why not. If not, I will upgrade to new RD and get a new WnW.
    I was gonna upgrade my RD, but I am happy with the X5.

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    Well, my plans for a 1x10 will be delayed due to a screwed up BB and frame... I will update as I get (hopefully) a frame replacement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s0ul_chicken View Post
    Well, my plans for a 1x10 will be delayed due to a screwed up BB and frame... I will update as I get (hopefully) a frame replacement.
    What happened?

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    See my other thread here.

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    Will that race face chain ring bolt up to the stock Guardian cranks? I'm thinking about changing the guardian to a 1x10 with Sram x9 RD and that race face chainring. After looking on the race face website I think it will bolt up to my stock cranks but I might have to use a shim
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    If it is a SRAM crankset, it should.

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    It's a Sram Truvativ E400. Does the fact that it is a 3 speed crankset have anything to do with a single chain ring being bolted to it? I think it would work but just looking at it I am not sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by provin1327 View Post
    Will that race face chain ring bolt up to the stock Guardian cranks? I'm thinking about changing the guardian to a 1x10 with Sram x9 RD and that race face chainring. After looking on the race face website I think it will bolt up to my stock cranks but I might have to use a shim
    I used a Race Face ring on my Stock cranks and put them on another bike.

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    Don't forget to shorten your chain. I found this is the best thing I did to my 1x9 conversion on the guardian. It makes the gear changes crisper.

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    I am very interested in this.

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    Re: Going 1x10 on the cheap!

    Quote Originally Posted by provin1327 View Post
    It's a Sram Truvativ E400. Does the fact that it is a 3 speed crankset have anything to do with a single chain ring being bolted to it? I think it would work but just looking at it I am not sure.
    Nope, you just bolt it in place of the middle ring

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    Anyone know the length of the stock bolts or if you need to order new ones for the Goblin?

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    I went ahead and ordered the green one. Got it and stuff to convert to tubeless for under $60! Looking forward to seeing how it rides and how much weight is dropped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdhunt0 View Post
    Anyone know the length of the stock bolts or if you need to order new ones for the Goblin?
    According to 8ikingVIIking, use the inner chainring bolts from the small chainring as these are a bit longer than the 38T bolts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s0ul_chicken View Post
    That is the fourth testimonial I have come across on running everything stock - do you think it will hold up as the chainring wears?
    There's a reason why SRAM spec'd a clutch-type RD for their 1x11 system. While the standard RD may work just fine, the chain will be more likely to come off; especially when you are near the largest or smallest cog (maximum cross-over) in the back and bouncing over bumps.

    I think the standard RD probably works "OK" but for how picky I am and how much I hate dropping chains, I would get a Type 2 RD.

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    I plan to pick one up as soon as I find a good deal on one. I know it has been mentioned in another thread, but I can't find it. What style (length?) rear derailleur does the Goblin need? What are the advantages to upgrading (other than weight) to something beyond the X7 Type 2?

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    Other than weight, you would get a clutch on the RD, which helps keep chain tension. Obviously, this is the only way to go if you are going to run single ring like Jeremy suggested.

    My new frame is headed out today, so by the end of the week I should be back in business. YAY! Thank you Jeremy and Eric!

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    X7 is solid and if you're happy with the performance I don't see a reason to upgrade to x9 or xo. If/when I go 1x10 on my goblin, I will probably just get the x7 type 2 unless I find a good deal on a x9 type 2.

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    Re: Going 1x10 on the cheap!

    Quote Originally Posted by trevor_b View Post
    X7 is solid and if you're happy with the performance I don't see a reason to upgrade to x9 or xo. If/when I go 1x10 on my goblin, I will probably just get the x7 type 2 unless I find a good deal on a x9 type 2.
    Check amazon for the x9 type 2, last I checked they were $90

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildfifty View Post
    Don't forget to shorten your chain. I found this is the best thing I did to my 1x9 conversion on the guardian. It makes the gear changes crisper.
    How do you know what length to make the chain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by provin1327 View Post
    How do you know what length to make the chain?
    Generally, when the chain is on the largest cog on the back, the RD should be in about a 45 degree angle to the ground facing toward the front of the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdhunt0 View Post
    I plan to pick one up as soon as I find a good deal on one. I know it has been mentioned in another thread, but I can't find it. What style (length?) rear derailleur does the Goblin need? What are the advantages to upgrading (other than weight) to something beyond the X7 Type 2?
    I would buy the mid-cage option.

    The X7 RD should function fairly well. I personally think you get more bang for your buck with buying better shifters than RD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    I would buy the mid-cage option.

    The X7 RD should function fairly well. I personally think you get more bang for your buck with buying better shifters than RD.

    Jeremy
    Thanks. I have read the same thing on the shifters as well. Do they only sell them in pairs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    I would buy the mid-cage option.

    Jeremy
    Disclaimer: I know very little about bikes and pretty much only know about RDs from what I have read today.

    With that said, SRAM list both the X7 and X9 type 2 (the only 2 options in my price range) as 36t compatible on their website. I have seen other posts state that if you are running 1x10 then the short cage is the way to go. I don't know how much length difference there is between the short/med/long cages, but I would think shorter is better in this case assuming it will work.

    Thoughts?

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    Either the short or medium cage will work - a short cage would have a bit better ground clearance though.

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    I have a long cage xtr non clutch derailleur and I have yet to drop a chain.
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    Re: Going 1x10 on the cheap!

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    I have a long cage xtr non clutch derailleur and I have yet to drop a chain.
    Yep, same here, but with a mid cage x7. To be honest I think the "need" for a clutch RD is exaggerated big time

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    Good thing I didn't start tearing my bike down. Chainring is backordered until mid-october
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdhunt0 View Post
    Good think I didn't start tearing my bike down. Chainring is backordered until mid-october
    Back-ordered? That figures, as all I see is the order status as "pending" since my order date. I guess I need to make a phone call!

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    can you specify in detail how you did this and what you bought, i would like to do the same? any help much appreciated.

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