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    mbakes,

    Thanks for the reply. I am pretty much in the same boat as you here in OH. I haven't ridden a fs bike to any length. We have a few places where fs is not necessary but I am thinking that for the logevity of my body, I might want fs. I wish the HG XO was cheaper--I really would like the parts spec so much more. Maybe get the Goblin XO and then change frames in a couple years who knows.

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    Clyde rider

    How would the suspension react to a 275 lb rider? would it bob alot when pushing it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf57 View Post
    BDF. Will a 15" frame fit a full size h2o bottle?
    Unfortunately, we couldn't get the water bottle mounts down the DT any further for fear of interfearing with the shock. A full-size bottle probably isn't going to fit, at least according to our drawings. We don't have a 15 here at the office at the moment but will in a week or so. I can verify for you then.

    I'm looking to possibly pull the trigger on this soon but am a little put off by the starting weight...
    For the pricepoint for a FS 29er that's actually a very good weight. But from where you are coming from, riding a 20lb HT, I can understand the concern at adding 10lbs of weight to your ride. I've been there and done that! All I can say is that once I spent some time on it I never noticed the extra weight. We're due to get a few demo HG's here in the office in the next week or so if you want to demo one on some frozen trails.

    How would the suspension react to a 275 lb rider? would it bob alot when pushing it?
    If you air up the shock to match your weight you should be good. Although keep in mind at your weight you are approaching the top-limit of the amount of air you can put in an air shock.

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    For the pricepoint for a FS 29er that's actually a very good weight. But from where you are coming from, riding a 20lb HT, I can understand the concern at adding 10lbs of weight to your ride. I've been there and done that! All I can say is that once I spent some time on it I never noticed the extra weight. We're due to get a few demo HG's here in the office in the next week or so if you want to demo one on some frozen trails.

    Jeremy,

    Hey, just so you know, I meant no disrespect. I definitely realize that the price point and parts spec are going to impact the bike weight...I am definitely interested in demoing a HG when you get them in the office! Could you pm me or let me know when you get them in?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikr94 View Post

    Jeremy,

    Hey, just so you know, I meant no disrespect. I definitely realize that the price point and parts spec are going to impact the bike weight...I am definitely interested in demoing a HG when you get them in the office! Could you pm me or let me know when you get them in?

    Thanks!

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    No worries Keith, I didn't take it that way at all.

    If you ride a 17 I have one in now. I *think* if I remember correctly you either ride a 17 or 19. Otherwise, I'll let you know when the 15 and 19 get here.

    Thanks!

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    Jeremy,

    Yes! I am thinking the 17 is the right size. I know on the Goblin, the 18 felt best. I'd rather go smaller than larger. Well, as soon as these trails freeze up, I'll hit you up. Thanks!

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    OK. Saturday could be the day!

    I'm planning on riding then provided the current weather forecast holds true.......


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    Vital just wrapped up their big test session, and the HobGoblin was one of the bikes tested. Look for a feature on it soon.
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    Hello, My name is Shawn. I am looking at the HobGoblin. I don't have any Airborne dealers near me, but have taken a liking to this brand. I am curious what frame size you might suggest for me. I currently have a 2013 Specialized Hard Rock Sport Disc 29 in the 19 inch frame size. Since I can't test fit one of these bikes, I was hoping you guys might have an idea what would work best. I am 6'3", 160 pounds. I have a 32-34 inseam depending on jean company. Hoping you guys may have some wisdom for myself.

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    Hey Shawn, welcome to the Airborne forum.

    You don't have any Airborne dealers near you because we don't sell thru dealers; that's what helps us keep costs down. There's no extra overhead built in for them so we pass that savings along to the customer.

    What is you *actual* inseam? Probably something like 35 or 36? Measure it from crotch to floor, standing in socks.

    I'm 6'1" with a 35ish inseam and ride a 19" HG with a 110mm stem. My HG fits me great but with a 410mm Thomson post I am near max post extension (and that's for the frame design, not the post max line).

    My gut feeling is that if you have a similar inseam to me, but are 2 inches taller, you should think about the 21".

    If you want, give our customer service group a call and talk about sizing. You'll want to have a few measurements handy like height, inseam, arm length, and torso length. Let us know what sort of riding you are looking to do and whether you have any biomechanical issues like bad back, neck, etc.

    Hope that helps!

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    For all of HobGoblin owners, we've now got a full rebuild kit on our website. We've also listed out the bearing#'s and torque specs for those of you who like to do your own wrenching.

    Airborne Bicycles. HobGoblin Rebuild Kit

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    Struggling on size here.

    On a Santa Cruz Superlight 29, I fit in as a large. I'm just at 6' maybe a tad under depending on day. jeans are 32" inseam as are my slacks. sleeve length at 34. Large here as well on the Hobgoblin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdrex28 View Post
    Struggling on size here.

    On a Santa Cruz Superlight 29, I fit in as a large. I'm just at 6' maybe a tad under depending on day. jeans are 32" inseam as are my slacks. sleeve length at 34. Large here as well on the Hobgoblin?
    I'm thinking you want a large in the HG as well. The 17" may be a little short in the ETT for you, and you'd definitely need a longer post for it. The HG has a lot of stand over clearance (30" for the large/19) so you'll be good.

    Unless you are looking for something small and compact, go for the large.

    Hope that helps!

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    Is it possible to order with a change to the wheelset or is it just a complete bike as is with no changes?

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    Hey there,

    It's a complete bike with a static spec that can't be changed. You could always buy it as-is and roll the stock wheelset over for some $$$ to offset the expense of a different wheelset.

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    Forgive me if this has already been discussed but are Airborne and Fezzari one in the same? The Hobgoblin and Hidden Peak frames look identical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg View Post
    Forgive me if this has already been discussed but are Airborne and Fezzari one in the same? The Hobgoblin and Hidden Peak frames look identical.
    No. I believe they use the same frame manufacturers across seas and ended up choosing the same design that the MFR. offered. I believe Jeremy said it was because they don't order enough in bulk to get their own design.

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    They look similar, but not the same. While we develop and design independantly almost all of our frame designs, in the case of a full suspension design we needed to partner with a large frame-maker to work on the HG design. Fezzari is also using the same tubeset, but there are a lot of differences that came out of us doing a lot of ride testing and design tweaks, as we went thru 3 generations of changes/protos before we were happy with the result.

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    I have a HG demo that I finally got to ride on a dry trail. Thought I would offer up an impression from that ride.

    First off, I am coming from a 26" HT. I have been riding for almost 20 years and would consider myself intermediate. There are a ton of variables that enter into my experience going from the 26" HT to a 29" FS. I won't really bore you but wanted that out there on the table.

    Basically, I loved my ride! I wanted to like this bike so, there is probably some bias b/c of that. ;-)

    I felt as though I was faster (again, probably b/c I was predisposed to wanting to be faster) but had no real ability to measure that. Maybe I should hook up a computer and have at it again...

    One of the real concerns for me is the weight difference from my 20# HT to this bike that is about 30#. I can honestly say that I did think about it but it never felt like it was hindering my ride. I've heard people say you don't notice heavier weights when riding 29er's. Maybe there's some truth to that...nevertheless, I will be ordering lighter wheels and tires when I order my HobGoblin.

    So, yes, I will be purchasing a HobGoblin in the near future...anyone wanna buy a 26" HT?

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    Soon to be an owner of a hobgoblin but not sure what size. Im 6'1 with 35 inseam and fall in between the 19 and 21. Not sure which on to go with.

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    im 5'11 and got the 17 so id say 19! However call Eric or Jeremy at Airborne they will help you out. I thought I should have got the 19 but glad they helped me out in getting the 17 its perfect! Or download size my ride or bike on iTunes pretty cool app!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravodog1 View Post
    Soon to be an owner of a hobgoblin but not sure what size. Im 6'1 with 35 inseam and fall in between the 19 and 21. Not sure which on to go with.
    I don't know your arm length, but it seems as though you and I are almost the exact same size in terms of inseam and height. You're correct, you could ride either a 21 or 19. The 19 offers more stand-over clearance and is a little more "tossable", but the flip-side to that is that you would need a longer seatpost (410mm) to have enough insertion so that the frame isn't compromised.

    I've attached a pic of my personal HobGoblin for reference. Maybe this will give you a better idea of what yours would look like if you went with the 19.
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    Measurements
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    Inseam: 35
    Trunk: 26
    Forearm: 14.5
    Arm length 27.5
    Thigh: 26.5
    Lower Leg: 25
    Sternal Notch: 61.5
    Total Body Height: 72.5

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravodog1 View Post
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    Inseam: 35
    Trunk: 26
    Forearm: 14.5
    Arm length 27.5
    Thigh: 26.5
    Lower Leg: 25
    Sternal Notch: 61.5a
    Total Body Height: 72.5
    Thanks!

    You could ride either size, but I would lean toward the 19. With your inseam, you will need to pick up a 400mm post to ensure proper insertion depth. As we have the exact same inseam your post will be as high as mine is for proper leg extension.

    Hope that helps!

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    I would hate to have to buy additional parts. Do you think the 21 will be too big?

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    Personally I think the 21" would suit you better, especially if you're using it for it's intended purpose - XC. I have your same inseam with long arms and will not ride a bike with an ETT shorter than 25", especially for XC. Not sure what bar/stem it comes with, but know that swapping out a stock stem and/or bar on a bike for fit is something that most likely should happen unless you happen to fall magically right into the numbers the stock bike was designed for - i.e. stock 21" says from 6'1"-6'4", so if you're on the low side of this you might need a shorter stem to get the fit right, on the taller side, maybe a longer stem.

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    I would hate to have to buy additional parts. Do you think the 21 will be too big?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bravodog1 View Post
    I would hate to have to buy additional parts. Do you think the 21 will be too big?
    Like Lynx said, often when buying a bike you need to buy additional pieces/parts to dial in fit. Especially when you are sort of right in the middle of two different size possibilities.

    Manufacturers generally make mountain bikes in 4-5 sizes per model, with static stem/post specs for each size. Since human beings vary greatly in regards to proportions (even between folks of the exact same height), getting the perfect fit often requires a little extra work.

    Certainly you can ride the 21 with no problems. Stand-over is great on the HG and on the 21 the stock seatpost will be long enought for you. However, with the 21 you may need to purchase (aftermarket) a shorter stem to bring the bars back a bit.

    Hope that helps a bit!

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    Thanks Jeremy. That definately helps out. My concern with going 19 is having the height on the seat post that high. I've always ridden with the the seat almost level with the top on the stem. I mostly do xc with light trail riding. nothing too extreme so the tossability might not be too important as long as the 21 doesnt interfere with manueverability. Right now I'm riding an old specialized. not even sure what size, but I'm way to big for it. By dropping the cash on this bike, just want to be sure I choose right and if I chose the 21 and found out I did need the 19, what is your exchange policy, if any? I deffinately will be buying an airborne and want to be happy with my choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravodog1 View Post
    Thanks Jeremy. That definately helps out. My concern with going 19 is having the height on the seat post that high. I've always ridden with the the seat almost level with the top on the stem. I mostly do xc with light trail riding. nothing too extreme so the tossability might not be too important as long as the 21 doesnt interfere with manueverability. Right now I'm riding an old specialized. not even sure what size, but I'm way to big for it. By dropping the cash on this bike, just want to be sure I choose right and if I chose the 21 and found out I did need the 19, what is your exchange policy, if any? I deffinately will be buying an airborne and want to be happy with my choice.
    The 21 has a taller headtube than the 19, so with the stem in the upward rise position you have a greater chance of getting the seat and bars near the same plane level.

    The 21 will have a longer wheelbase which adds increased stability, but gives up a little "flickability". That may not be a big deal for you as you say. The important thing is fit and comfort, and how you feel during the ride and at the end of the ride in the parking lot.

    The last thing we want is for you to get a bike you don't want or doesn't fit. It doesn't happen often, but when it does we work with folks to make it right. If that happens call us and we'll figure it out.

    Like I said I doubt you could go wrong either way. It sounds to me like the 21 may be the better fit for you as it is less agressive and will get your bars and seat height closer to each other. I personally would pick the 19 for myself but I also can ride the 21. There's another guy here at our office who is just a little taller than me and he rides a 21" HG (its the orange one with XX1 and carbone wheels on it I've posted photos of on here before). I can ride his bike and it feels good too. My personal preference just happens to be the smaller bike of the two..............but like I always say everyone is different!

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    nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by betorac View Post
    Gave my 2 cents worth to Guitar Ted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffharris1us View Post
    Gave my 2 cents worth to Guitar Ted.
    I thought it was a good review. And agree with your response. I have the xo and it weighs 27.5 lbs. May not be the lightest but its a lot lighter than the enduro I was riding so it seems like a feather to me! Guitar Ted is good and I think covers all grounds for all riders. Most people who really pay attention to weight which you covered are probably going to look at a racing level bike which I think was his point. Great conversation on both parts. Nice to see Airborne getting some good credit out there. I do like seeing my bike on the opening page of mtbr!

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    Congrats on the bike. I would love to see some reviews of the XO bikes, both Goblin and Hobgoblin.

    I agree that G Ted does a fair job in his reviews.

    I am just sensitive about the weight thing, because it is all relative. Not sure it's totally fair to act like the HG is heavy when all other comparable bikes have similar weights. So, what is the HG supposed to weigh at it's price point?

    I would argue that it weighs exactly what it should for the awesome price.

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    If you guys notice I tend to be fairly tight-lipped when it comes to what I think about reviews when they are written about our products. Part of that is the fact that these products are "my babies" so I feel its hard for me to sound impartial, and part of it is out of respect for folks that take the time to review our product and write about it.

    I think for the most part all of the reviews on the HG have been good.

    While I don't necessarily agree with comments about the weight and old-school geo, I do appreciate the feedback and keep things in mind when working on the product for the next run or re-vamp. The same way I do with comments from you guys and all of our customers. It helps us, and the product, become better.

    Thanks!

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    Well one thing about reviews I have come to believe. If they cannot find somthing negative they will create one. Would make for a boring and potentialy phony sounding review to find zero negative things to say.

    His riding experience with the HG was spot on the way my experience has been. As far as weight I think he was just mentioning it. I personally do not notice the weight when I ride it since the bike is a whole is far less fatigueing on me then my former hardtail. I also did not understand the "old school 29er geometry". Anyway as reviews go it was def. more positive then negative.

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    Well I know one thing I love mine! There is no other out there for $2999 with XO setup! Thanks Airborne!

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    LyNx. what size are you riding? do you hava pic?

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    Getting really close to ordering the hobgoblin and a few weeks. I test rode a large specialized camber 29er yesterday. the fit was good and almost exact same geometry as the 19 HG. So I think thats the size I will be going with. I'm thinking the 21 might be too big. After remeasuring my inseam at 34" and my height just shy of 6'1 I think Jeremys recomendation of the 19 will be the best fit. Cant wait to order.

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    My hobgob looks like it is showing up on tuesday. this weekend is going to suck!

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    Don't have a HG Brav, have ridden an XL/22" Giant Trance, XL Paradox and now on XL Prime and Monkey. Run a 65mm stem and 750-785mm wide bar on the Prime which has a 25.4" ETT, run an 80mm stem and 760mm wide bar on the Monkey which has a 24.5" ETT and used to run a 80-90mm stem and 750mm wide bar on the Paradox. Again 6'2", 35.25" inseam.
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    New 21" Hobgoblin X7 just came in today, super stoked! Can't wait to get it together and hit the trails this weekend! Love that new bike smell

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    Congrats! Take some pics! You gonna love that bike its awesome!

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    We the people ...

    Got my 17" HobGoblin X7 today! got it all assembled and slightly upgraded (carbon bar, carbon seat post, chain stay protector, lock on grips, shorter stem (white stem is ugly imo). Had to tweak some settings on the front and rear derailleurs since both seemed to be off. And I'm still trying to dial in the reba fork (dual air is confusing...) and monarch shock. I have it set pretty well now but i know some more tweaking will happen before the weekend. I did get a short ride on it today (5 singletrack miles) and it was like riding on a cloud compared to my hardtail.

    I think I will be very happy once all the tweaks are made.

    Thanks Airborne!


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    Gettin' it together

    I was able to get my Hobgoblin X7 assembled last night without any issues. I can tell that I'm going to need a wider bar as the stock bar seems quite narrow to me. It may be ok for the small/med frames, but it's just not too comfortable for me and it does make the front end seem a touch twitchy. I'm riding the 21" and I'm 6'3" in case you're looking for fit info. I've got some Ergon's that I'm going to put on and I'm thinking about going tubeless. Not sure how much of a pain in the butt that's going to be though with this wheel set. Anyone done it with these? Other than that, I'm lovin' it. Has any one tried out Helicopter tape on their frames for scratch/ding protection? I ordered some and I'm going to try it out. It's clear so I dig that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strfyeing View Post
    I was able to get my Hobgoblin X7 assembled last night without any issues. I can tell that I'm going to need a wider bar as the stock bar seems quite narrow to me. It may be ok for the small/med frames, but it's just not too comfortable for me and it does make the front end seem a touch twitchy. I'm riding the 21" and I'm 6'3" in case you're looking for fit info. I've got some Ergon's that I'm going to put on and I'm thinking about going tubeless. Not sure how much of a pain in the butt that's going to be though with this wheel set. Anyone done it with these? Other than that, I'm lovin' it. Has any one tried out Helicopter tape on their frames for scratch/ding protection? I ordered some and I'm going to try it out. It's clear so I dig that.
    I just went tubeless with the i19's last week. It was pretty easy. I just cut the valves out of the tubes, taped the rims with gorilla tape, made a 1:1:2 homebrew of slime:latex mold builder:RV antifreeze. Popped the tires in place with CO2 cartidges. Not difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hedz0r View Post
    -EDIT: I hate the avid elixir 3's... stopping power on the front seems lacking. Hopefully some XT's or SLX brakes are in the works, but that will have to wait until next month when i have spending money again
    Agreed. I went with some SLX's from blue sky cycling. Best deal I could find.

    BlueSkyCycling.com - Shimano SLX M675 IceTech Disc Brake w/ Adapter

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    Quote Originally Posted by mklint000 View Post
    I just went tubeless with the i19's last week. It was pretty easy. I just cut the valves out of the tubes, taped the rims with gorilla tape, made a 1:1:2 homebrew of slime:latex mold builder:RV antifreeze. Popped the tires in place with CO2 cartidges. Not difficult.
    Thanks! Good to know so I can ditch these tubes

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    Few pics from today's ride. Such a sweet ride!

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    Airborne HobGoblin?


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