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    Sorry about 2 posts, could only get 1 pic to upload in first one.

    All in all it is a very nice bike. No regrets after seeing it in person.
    Looking forward to getting out on it this weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffharris1us View Post
    Hey Jerry, those of us in the Midwest that still have plenty of snow in the front yard are not amused.

    You can take your fancy-schmancy new FS 29er and your warm/dry climate and....
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    What size is that Mwm70, stem looks quite long? Again, interested to hear ride reports from those NOT affiliated with Airborne. Curious, are the graphics under the clear coat or ontop? Not a fan of the absurdly huge DT logo.

    Really like the look of these bikes and they're a great deal, only wish I didn't not like SRAM stuff so much, although I guess you could just sell the SRAM drivetrain & brakes and replace with Shimano stuff
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    What size is that Mwm70, stem looks quite long? Again, interested to hear ride reports from those NOT affiliated with Airborne. Curious, are the graphics under the clear coat or ontop? Not a fan of the absurdly huge DT logo.

    Really like the look of these bikes and they're a great deal, only wish I didn't not like SRAM stuff so much, although I guess you could just sell the SRAM drivetrain & brakes and replace with Shimano stuff
    It is a 21". Stem feels a touch long so I might switch that out. Did not pay attention to decal will let you know about that and impression after first trail ride.

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    Good looking bike mwm70. What was wrong with the headset? What did you do to adjust it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    What size is that Mwm70, stem looks quite long? Again, interested to hear ride reports from those NOT affiliated with Airborne. Curious, are the graphics under the clear coat or ontop? Not a fan of the absurdly huge DT logo.

    Really like the look of these bikes and they're a great deal, only wish I didn't not like SRAM stuff so much, although I guess you could just sell the SRAM drivetrain & brakes and replace with Shimano stuff
    The graphics are under clear, but I guess there's always the option of stripping and repainting if you don't like our "subtle" graphics.

    You may be better off considering getting a frame-only versus a complete, if you end up wanting to sell the SRAM stuff anyway it might be cheaper and less hassle in the end to just get the frame.

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    It was over tightened slightly for shipping. I loosened the stem bolts and then hex bolt in the top cap then retightened the top cap bolt gradually until there was no play in the headset. Holding the front brake and rocking the handlebars to and away from you until the "slop or play " is gone then tighten stem bolts to secure.

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    Enjoy your new ride!

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    I think you guys should consider offering the frame in RAW with a sticker kit and those who don't mind the gawd awful huge logo could install them and those of us who like a bit more subtle wouldn't. Could also offer a more subtle decal set, you know about 40-50% that size

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    The graphics are under clear, but I guess there's always the option of stripping and repainting if you don't like our "subtle" graphics.

    You may be better off considering getting a frame-only versus a complete, if you end up wanting to sell the SRAM stuff anyway it might be cheaper and less hassle in the end to just get the frame.

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    Or you could strip down the frame instead of asking the manufacture to do it. The reason Airborne is so price competitive is b/c they don't offer 20 colors and such.. If they offered blue, green, orange, red, and raw you would be paying $3k for a hobgoblin..

    just saying

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    I think you guys should consider offering the frame in RAW with a sticker kit and those who don't mind the gawd awful huge logo could install them and those of us who like a bit more subtle wouldn't. Could also offer a more subtle decal set, you know about 40-50% that size
    You can't please everybody. Airborne offers a quality high value product at great prices. Why is there always somebody picking it apart about some detail. "Why can't it have this fork? These brakes? Why can't the graphics be smaller/bigger/redder/greener....?"

    Sandpaper is cheap... If you want a bare frame you can have one. Wouldn't take long to sandblast a frame, I'd bet it wouldn't cost much to have it done.

    I think it looks great. Of course it really doesn't matter to me because I want one to RIDE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swildnm View Post
    You can't please everybody. Airborne offers a quality high value product at great prices. Why is there always somebody picking it apart about some detail. "Why can't it have this fork? These brakes? Why can't the graphics be smaller/bigger/redder/greener....?"

    Sandpaper is cheap... If you want a bare frame you can have one. Wouldn't take long to sandblast a frame, I'd bet it wouldn't cost much to have it done.

    I think it looks great. Of course it really doesn't matter to me because I want one to RIDE.
    Cost me about $100 last time I sandblasted a frame - but careful, sandblasting does heat up the aluminum and can affect heat-treating. Honest, google it. Aircraft stripper works nicely as long as you have a warm environment...

    That said - good point Its an incredible value, and I don't mind the graphics so much...
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    Quote Originally Posted by swildnm View Post
    You can't please everybody. Airborne offers a quality high value product at great prices. Why is there always somebody picking it apart about some detail. "Why can't it have this fork? These brakes? Why can't the graphics be smaller/bigger/redder/greener....?"
    We actually appreciate all thoughts and comments about our products, as long as they are done in a tasteful manner ("that sucks" commentary probably won't be received well ).

    I don't mind the comments on the paint, graphics, etc. Everyone does have different tastes and like most companies, we try to please the most people but can't hit a homerun with everyone every time.

    I'd like to think that one of the things that makes us different is the fact that we are approachable/interactive and do listen to our customers. For example, a lot of the changes that were done to the current black Goblin to make it different/better than the former green one were the result of customer input and feedback.

    At this point we can't offer an additional colorway or raw option on the HobGoblin, but we can take it into consideration for future versions. I will say that from a branding standpoint that I personally dislike not having decals under clear, because I think it looks "cheap" and runs the risk of the decals coming off with use. But that's just my opinion.

    Thanks a bunch and keep the suggestions coming! Oh and the weather is going to be warm this weekend here in Ohio, so don't forget to get out there and ride.

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    Would I have preferred a more subtle logo, probably but in the end, it's about the bike. The HG is an excellent value, the look was not much of a consideration. I agree with BDF, decals need to be under clear or they do look cheap on a bike frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    We actually appreciate all thoughts and comments about our products, as long as they are done in a tasteful manner ("that sucks" commentary probably won't be received well ).

    I don't mind the comments on the paint, graphics, etc. Everyone does have different tastes and like most companies, we try to please the most people but can't hit a homerun with everyone every time.

    I'd like to think that one of the things that makes us different is the fact that we are approachable/interactive and do listen to our customers. For example, a lot of the changes that were done to the current black Goblin to make it different/better than the former green one were the result of customer input and feedback.

    At this point we can't offer an additional colorway or raw option on the HobGoblin, but we can take it into consideration for future versions. I will say that from a branding standpoint that I personally dislike not having decals under clear, because I think it looks "cheap" and runs the risk of the decals coming off with use. But that's just my opinion.

    Thanks a bunch and keep the suggestions coming! Oh and the weather is going to be warm this weekend here in Ohio, so don't forget to get out there and ride.

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    Understood, and you do a great job of it. But I find
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    to be over the top. I think you've done I fine job of explaining how you provide the product you do at this pricepoint. I've changed a lot on my Guardian as I grew as I've grown as a rider, and found that I was commited to cycling. And I fully intend to order a Hobgoblin XO in March. But I already have changes in mind for it to fit me. Wider bars, shorter stem, different fork, dropper post. But it is still a hell of a deal as is. And the parts that come off I can either reuse on another bike or sell. I guess my point is that the price is so good you can afford to customize.

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    I stick to my comment about the logo, it if frikin HUGE, not only is it a very bold font, it's also just physically as big as the DT will allow it to be AND the contrast they use of white on dark blue, or white on Orange for frame only makes it even worse. Just take look at the any of the Big3s bikes, not even they have such HUGE logos. Will agree though, logos ontop of clear coat do not look as finished and will get scratched and damaged much easier, although Turnerites have been doing it this way for a very long time

    I do think though that these bikes are great value, but if I only bought stuff on performance laone
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    Understood.

    The black on the orange doesn't seem to stand out too much.
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    cane creek angleset headset

    If I was to use an angleset like the cane creek would I be able to use a 120-140mm fork? If so, would this make the Hobgoblin's suspension unbalanced?
    Thank you in advance on any and replys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    it if frikin HUGE... Just take look at the any of the Big3s bikes, not even they have such HUGE logos...




    I'd say that's a bit larger than Airborne's - that 'fsr" doesn't even fit on the tube! (all in good fun!)

    I agree, the logos on Airborne ARE huge, but they don't really bother me, I kinda like it actually. But where the big three might not blast their name in huge legible letters down the side, they do give the bikes a pretty big graphic makeover a lot of the time - something I don't care for.

    One thing for sure though - Airborne listens to their customers. Maybe the logo thing will change in the future.

    BTW, LOVING the Hobgoblin. Great job Airborne!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhazard View Post

    I agree, the logos on Airborne ARE huge, but they don't really bother me, I kinda like it actually.
    This. I think the new style Airborne logos are tasteful. I've even considered getting my green Goblin powder coated and using the new logos on it I like them so much. Very simple and easy to read. I like to be able to read the logos on bikes as I pass on the trail.

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    BigDaddy Can you get a Hobgoblin frame kit with no paint?.
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    Sorry, all of our frames are painted, decalled, and cleared at the factory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rider4Life View Post
    If I was to use an angleset like the cane creek would I be able to use a 120-140mm fork? If so, would this make the Hobgoblin's suspension unbalanced?
    Thank you in advance on any and replys.

    Airborne, I like what you guys and gals are doing. keep up the great work.

    P.S. 650b/27.5....Just saying.
    (Sorry that I somehow missed this question earlier)

    Thanks for the kind words!

    OK, on the HobGoblin the frame design is based around a 100mm fork. While you can put a 120mm fork on there, doing so will void the frame warranty as it is outside of the design parameters of the frame. We test all of our frames to the strict EN14766 European standards but the passing test results are based on a 100mm fork. Anything beyond that is unpredictable as far as frame longevity goes.

    From a performance standpoint a 120mm fork will slacken the HT and ST by a degree or two and also raise the BB. 140mm will probably be extreme as far as slack and BB height.

    Also, I'm not super versed in the Angleset, but I think the last time I checked they didn't have one for 1 1/8 to 1 1/2 inch IS-style headsets.

    Thanks again,

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    (Sorry that I somehow missed this question earlier)

    Thanks for the kind words!

    OK, on the HobGoblin the frame design is based around a 100mm fork. While you can put a 120mm fork on there, doing so will void the frame warranty as it is outside of the design parameters of the frame. We test all of our frames to the strict EN14766 European standards but the passing test results are based on a 100mm fork. Anything beyond that is unpredictable as far as frame longevity goes.

    From a performance standpoint a 120mm fork will slacken the HT and ST by a degree or two and also raise the BB. 140mm will probably be extreme as far as slack and BB height.

    Also, I'm not super versed in the Angleset, but I think the last time I checked they didn't have one for 1 1/8 to 1 1/2 inch IS-style headsets.

    Thanks again,

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    Thank you Jeremy. Your quick response means alot. Very impressed with the bikes and the company.

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    I like the big logo. In fact, bigger by a factor of 2 or 3 would be nice... wrap right around the tube. All subjective, yes? Objectively, you can't get more bike for the money. Now if it just came in a 650B...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrebyter View Post
    I like the big logo. In fact, bigger by a factor of 2 or 3 would be nice... wrap right around the tube. All subjective, yes? Objectively, you can't get more bike for the money. Now if it just came in a 650B...
    Actually, wouldn't 650B be LESS bike for the money? Sorry - had to!

    I do think it would be sorta cool to wrap the logo all the way around.
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    650/29=22.4.... Nope. 650 is 22.4 times more. It's all math, you know. Like how a wheel 25mm bigger in diameter than a 26 is called a 27.5. Huh? Anyway, If I could talk myself into a 29er, Airborne would sell another bike. I like their products and I like their attitude.

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    Ahhh, I see - "math".

    Airborne is great people and great ideas, I'm anxious to see them grow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrebyter View Post
    Anyway, If I could talk myself into a 29er, Airborne would sell another bike. I like their products and I like their attitude.
    To be fair Tyrebyter sold me on 2 Airbornes, soon to be three. When Airborne gets their 27.5 bike done they should give him a discount as commission. Any news on the 27.5 BDF?

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    I think I am sold on the hobgoblin frame kit, its a sweet frame, colour is not my cup of tea but you can't please everyone, nothing a stripping and powdercoating cant fix.
    One question though, is the warranty good in Canada?
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    Quote Originally Posted by swildnm View Post
    To be fair Tyrebyter sold me on 2 Airbornes, soon to be three. When Airborne gets their 27.5 bike done they should give him a discount as commission. Any news on the 27.5 BDF?


    No news on 650B at the moment, sorry!



    I think I am sold on the hobgoblin frame kit, its a sweet frame, colour is not my cup of tea but you can't please everyone, nothing a stripping and powdercoating cant fix.
    One question though, is the warranty good in Canada?
    Awesome! Yep, warranty is good in Canada also.

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    one more question I see the BB is press fit 30, with a BB92 pressfit still work in the opening? I just bought new cranks raceface turbine X type and the matching pressfit BB92 BB. There are so many BB now its really confusing.
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    I believe the 92 is too wide. You mostly see bb92 on carbon bikes. I could be wrong...

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    From what I see most 29ers with press fit use BB92, Giant, Rocky Mountian, and a host of others. My giant is BB92 and its aluminum. A 68-73 thread in is the same width as a pressfit. My older cranks are RF Ride in a threaded BB 68-73 and they fit perfectly in my BB92 pressfit and the Shimano cranks that came in the Giant fit the RF threaded BB perfectly 24 MM spindle. So many different names for the same **** is crazy.
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    BB92 will work as the frame has 41mm opening with an actual measured BB shell width of 89.2. There is a little internal sleeve overlap of the BB when assembled into the frame.

    Just be certain you buy the "mtb" bb and not the "road" bb that is actually 86mm wide. SRAM's "Pressfit GXP Mtb" bottom bracket fits perfect and that's what we use.
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    I looked up the SRAM part# if this helps:


    "00.6415.033.020 AM BB PRESSFIT GXP MTB BB92"


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    perfect the BB I have is the race face BB92/X type so I should be golden, thanks for your time. It does mean allot when companies actually take time to talk with the owners and soon to be owners of their product. The more I look at the bike online the more that colour is growing on me, not sure how all my red hope stuff will clash with the orange though. Oh I did have one last question, what is the biggest middle ring I can run with clearance, currently have 24x36 setup with bash.
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    I was about to ask what standard was the BB thanks for reply Big Daddy

    also is there any chance you might come out with Hobglobin XT???

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahza29er View Post
    perfect the BB I have is the race face BB92/X type so I should be golden, thanks for your time. It does mean allot when companies actually take time to talk with the owners and soon to be owners of their product.
    Thanks for the kind words! Glad to know that what we do makes a difference.

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    The more I look at the bike online the more that colour is growing on me, not sure how all my red hope stuff will clash with the orange though.
    If you didn't notice, the bearing caps on the frame are all anno red and they look great with the orange. That should also help pull in the red from your Hope parts.


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    Oh I did have one last question, what is the biggest middle ring I can run with clearance, currently have 24x36 setup with bash.
    OK, this is going to be a somewhat subjective answer.

    The frame was really built around using a 2x10 set-up, and that's what we use on our production bikes. We've never installed a triple in one.

    That being said, in our frame drawings it looks like there is enough space for a 24/32/44 triple set-up. I can't guarantee without a shadow of doubt that your 36 is going to fit OK. The 38 on our 2x10 system fits just fine with plenty of clearance, but that is further outboard than what your 36 would be. I don't know what the difference in chainline is between where the middle ring on a triple is compared to the outer ring on a double. I'm guessing that if your 36 is 5mm or less inboard than the outer ring on our double, you'd be fine. Much more than that..........I'm not certain.

    So you'd have to try it to see if it fits. I wish I had a better answer than that but hopefully that helps a little bit......

    I was about to ask what standard was the BB thanks for reply Big Daddy

    also is there any chance you might come out with Hobglobin XT???
    You're welcome!

    We don't use Shimano very much as we all prefer SRAM for various reasons. Right now the XT version of a HobGoblin would be a little redundant for us while we are carryin an XO level bike as they are similar in level. You never know what the future holds though!

    Thanks for all of the questions and interest~

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    I was reading on suspensions but dint find the exact one used in the HG is this just like the #4 Twin link four bar Buyer's Guide To Mountain Bike Suspension, Part 2 - BikeRadar

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbakes View Post
    No action shots yet. I've been dialing in the ride a bit each time I am out. I dropped the pressure in the tires and tractions has improved:

    We liked this pic so much we "borrowed" it for our FaceBook page today.
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    Hobgoblin size question. I am 5'7" and have a 30" inseam. I currently ride a 16" Guardian with an 80mm stem, I'm right at the top of the stock seatpost. I'm happy with the fit, but I'm looking to the Hobgoblin as more of a Trail/AM bike and plan to run it with a much shorter stem. Probably more like 45mm. What size would you advise? I'm thinking 17".

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    Quote Originally Posted by swildnm View Post
    Hobgoblin size question. I am 5'7" and have a 30" inseam. I currently ride a 16" Guardian with an 80mm stem, I'm right at the top of the stock seatpost. I'm happy with the fit, but I'm looking to the Hobgoblin as more of a Trail/AM bike and plan to run it with a much shorter stem. Probably more like 45mm. What size would you advise? I'm thinking 17".
    Based solely on your sizing dimensions, we would tell you to buy the 15".

    But given how you want to set it up, with a shorter stem and probably a zero-offset post, then we feel comfortable with you buying the 17.

    You shouldn't have any issues with stand-over with either size.

    Hope that helps!

    Jeremy
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    We liked this pic so much we "borrowed" it for our FaceBook page today.
    Cool. My wife was not nearly as impressed as I was.

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    BDF. Will a 15" frame fit a full size h2o bottle?

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    Hobgoblin in the Everglades:





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    mbakes,

    How are you finding the HobGoblin? I'm looking to possibly pull the trigger on this soon but am a little put off by the starting weight...I've been used to riding 20lb hardtails for the last 18 or so years. Thanks for any insights.

    Keith

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    I used to ride a lighter weight hard tail and the HG is my first full suspension bike so not a lot to compare to. Riding the more technical stuff here it's great. I dont have any hills to climb so the wight is not a problem. We have a lot of real short steep climbs, like 10', 15' . The biggest adjustment for me is that it is a 29r but after a few runs, I adjusted. Yesterday's ride was 27 miles on mostly gravel double track. I tried to ride it as a HT but it wasn't long before I realized that it was just more comfortable with the rear suspension active. I became pretty fatigued during the ride which has more to do with my fit set up than the weight. I should add that I am note used to being on a mountain bike for so long. My road bike is custom made so I can ride it for hours without a problem. I'm going to tweak my set up to make it more comfortable on long rides. The only thing I don't like about the HG is hat it's not an XO but that was a money issue at the time. The bike rocks for the money and then some.

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    What do you plan to change to adjust fitment?

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    Shorter stem and a different seat. One of the rails popped out during a fall on seat that came with the bike. I replaced it with a seat I had laying around. It was fine for the short rides but killed me on yesterday's ride. I'm going to put my road bike saddle which is a Selle SMP Lite 209. I may run the stem turned up on longer rides.

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