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    Quote Originally Posted by betorac View Post
    Counting down the days...

    Jeremy,
    Can you comment on the pedaling efficiency of the Hobgoblin compared to the Goblin? Do you notice a big difference with losing energy as a result of pedal bob? Will the Hobgolin have a lockout?

    I currently have a high single pivot bike like your Zeppelin, and the pedaling performance is unsatisfactory. Hopefully switching to new Fox CTD shock will help. Especially concerned with long fire road climbs and out of saddle pedaling.

    thanks.
    Have the same issue on my zeppelin elite

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    Yeah there is no comparison between pedalling efficiency on the Zepp and the HobGoblin: the HobGoblin wins hands down. The HobGoblin climbs and pedals great!

    Single pivots aren't necessarily bad, in fact they work great for a lot of gravity oriented bikes and are certainly easier to maintain than complicated multilink systems. But generally they don't climb as well and can suffer occasionally from brake-jack.

    The HobGoblin in both standard and XO format will have a lock-out rear shock.

    Hope that helps!

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    Jeremy,

    Ok, I know you've been hush-hush on this b/c of the issues mentioned previously in this post. Any chance there are some updates you can give us regarding the HG? I am seriously considering upgrading this winter and believe a full sus 29er is in order (I talked to you about this at the Midwest Outdoor Experience). Chomping at the bit for some specs on this bike and the competition it is aiming at. I think I am leaning toward Spec. Epic Comp, Giant Anthem or Niner Jet 9. I love the business model and the fact that you guys are local. Also might toss my hat in the flight crew ring. Anywho, is there anything more you can feed us? i can't be the only one out there feeling this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    Yeah there is no comparison between pedalling efficiency on the Zepp and the HobGoblin: the HobGoblin wins hands down. The HobGoblin climbs and pedals great!

    Single pivots aren't necessarily bad, in fact they work great for a lot of gravity oriented bikes and are certainly easier to maintain than complicated multilink systems. But generally they don't climb as well and can suffer occasionally from brake-jack.

    The HobGoblin in both standard and XO format will have a lock-out rear shock.

    Hope that helps!

    Jeremy
    What is brake-jack?? I'm still new sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikr94 View Post
    Jeremy,

    Ok, I know you've been hush-hush on this b/c of the issues mentioned previously in this post. Any chance there are some updates you can give us regarding the HG? I am seriously considering upgrading this winter and believe a full sus 29er is in order (I talked to you about this at the Midwest Outdoor Experience). Chomping at the bit for some specs on this bike and the competition it is aiming at. I think I am leaning toward Spec. Epic Comp, Giant Anthem or Niner Jet 9. I love the business model and the fact that you guys are local. Also might toss my hat in the flight crew ring. Anywho, is there anything more you can feed us? i can't be the only one out there feeling this way.

    Thanks,

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    I heard Jeremy was going to China to oversee some production runs...can we assume these are HobGoblin runs?!?! Given prior posts, we should get specifics in the next week hopefully...

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    Pete,

    Yeah, I guess i am assuming there will be HobGoblin runs. Possibly Toxin too. I know this bike is supposed to be ready for pre-order in about a week or so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    What is brake-jack?? I'm still new sorry
    I can't explain the dynamics behind the geometry as to why it happens, but:

    Brakejack happens on single pivot suspension when you apply the rear brake while going over rough spots or bumps in the trail. The brake action effectively locks out the suspension, so your rear shock is not moving while going over bumps, resulting in a harsh, hardtail like feel.

    Multi link suspension (DW, Maestro, and what is found on the Hobgoblin) remains active under braking, so you can blast in to a rock garden with the back wheel locked (not the recommended tactic), but the suspension will still soak up the bumps.
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    Just a teaser....or two........I can't give you any more info that this at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    Just a teaser....or two........I can't give you any more info that this at the moment.
    That orange won't match my pink gloves. Gonna need you to fix that. Thanks for the pics. Def wanting one!!

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    Looks like internal cable routing, HUGE pivot bearings, and press-fit BB. Great job, guys!! Cant wait to get my hands on one!

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    Awesome!
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    Jeremy,

    Saw these pics on FB this AM. thanks for posting them here too. Awesome pics, now I'm gonna wait and see what you tell us about the bike. Love the orange, too bad it's not gonna be available complete. Maybe someone would wanna swap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikr94 View Post
    Jeremy,

    Saw these pics on FB this AM. thanks for posting them here too. Awesome pics, now I'm gonna wait and see what you tell us about the bike. Love the orange, too bad it's not gonna be available complete. Maybe someone would wanna swap?
    Just buy the complete bike AND the orange frame. Then you can swap it out yourself and mount the blue frame on the wall in your house! Win/Win!
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    dang.... maybe I should've saved more money and gone with an FS :x

    the matte white goblin frame is amazing as well. I'd swap that out on my guardian any day.

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    Is the orange the frameset only HobGoblin? If so where do I send money!?

    I decided I want to build up my HobGoblin myself, because I really want a 15mm or 20mm front axle and all the pics I've seen look like all of the complete hobgoblins have 9mm QR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swildnm View Post
    Is the orange the frameset only HobGoblin? If so where do I send money!?

    I decided I want to build up my HobGoblin myself, because I really want a 15mm or 20mm front axle and all the pics I've seen look like all of the complete hobgoblins have 9mm QR.
    Framesets only come in orange, but if you want a complete with a 15mm Maxle we do have one being built, it's the XO model and it is a different color all-together.
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    OK, one more teaser.........
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    Thanks for the teaser pics BDF!

    Super excited to get pricing info on this soon...

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    I kinda forgot about the xo version of this bike. man, probably gonna be out of my budget..


    Pete, I like being married too much to do what you suggest ;-)

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    I'm definitely excited for the Hobgoblin X7 build! I cant wait to see the complete specs so I can make a final decision whether to get this or a Giant anthem/trance 29er.

    Value aside, I wonder how the Hobgoblin's system compares to the Giant's Maestro rear suspension system. Maybe Bigdaddy could chime in or someone with experience on an prototype. Im not knowledgeable on these things and its really the only thing missing in my book to fully come to side with a hobgoblin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westsid3r View Post
    I'm definitely excited for the Hobgoblin X7 build! I cant wait to see the complete specs so I can make a final decision whether to get this or a Giant anthem/trance 29er.

    Value aside, I wonder how the Hobgoblin's system compares to the Giant's Maestro rear suspension system. Maybe Bigdaddy could chime in or someone with experience on an prototype. Im not knowledgeable on these things and its really the only thing missing in my book to fully come to side with a hobgoblin.
    Exactly my considerations too! Would love to get thoughts on this....

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    That makes 3 of us. I haven't ridden a Giant yet but I would like to know the comparisons too. I wish the reg. HG was coming through w/ the 15mm Maxle

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikr94 View Post
    That makes 3 of us. I haven't ridden a Giant yet but I would like to know the comparisons too. I wish the reg. HG was coming through w/ the 15mm Maxle

    Keith
    For the pricepoint we will be selling it at, much like what we are doing with the Goblin, it's not possible. Sorry. We can't have everything~!

    But the XO version does have the Maxle.

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    let me know if you need any testers

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    For the pricepoint we will be selling it at, much like what we are doing with the Goblin, it's not possible. Sorry. We can't have everything~!

    But the XO version does have the Maxle.

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    I am glad I re-read this! I first read it as saying the HG was not comparable to the Giant because of the price point...did not first realize you were talking about the Maxle!

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    I think we need more picks!!!

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    I'd like to see pricing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CYCLEJCE View Post
    I'd like to see pricing.
    That's what we are all anxiously awaiting! I'm hoping this week...

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    This was posted yesterday on there facebook page Airborne HobGoblin?-imageuploadedbytapatalk1352320487.401970.jpg

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    I'll get you pricing as soon as I can. Like I've stated a few times you guys will know as soon as I can let it out. There's one more variable left that I am working on here at the factory that factors into pricing. The last thing I want to do is announce one price and then give you a different one later. Thanks for being so paitent; its great that everyone is so interested!

    Yep, in the photo that shows the X9 brakes, XO Gold shifters, FSA SLK low-rise carbon bars, and the velo lock-on grips with gold ends. Snazzy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    I'll get you pricing as soon as I can. Like I've stated a few times you guys will know as soon as I can let it out. There's one more variable left that I am working on here at the factory that factors into pricing. The last thing I want to do is announce one price and then give you a different one later. Thanks for being so paitent; its great that everyone is so interested!

    Yep, in the photo that shows the X9 brakes, XO Gold shifters, FSA SLK low-rise carbon bars, and the velo lock-on grips with gold ends. Snazzy!
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    Man, I am jonesin' for some more info! Even a few more pics!

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    The suspense is killing me! I can't wait to get the parts list and price. Hopefully next week

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    i was watching a video of sea otter and it showed a bike called the warhawk. is that bike still going to be released?

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    or is the hobgoblin its replacement

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    I am curious about this bike. I live in Oklahoma so need for full suspension is not really there, although this bike at the price mentioned may be the one. I am in need for a new bike for next years race season and was looking at airbourne because of the components for the price. This was my first year of riding and I did it on a specialized hardrock. I'm 6'4 and really my only concerns are how the frames compare? I am not aware of dealers in my area so I would not be able to test ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaTiRo View Post
    i was watching a video of sea otter and it showed a bike called the warhawk. is that bike still going to be released?
    I believe Airborne scrapped that project to make room for bigger and better things...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpatt28 View Post
    I am curious about this bike. I live in Oklahoma so need for full suspension is not really there, although this bike at the price mentioned may be the one. I am in need for a new bike for next years race season and was looking at airbourne because of the components for the price. This was my first year of riding and I did it on a specialized hardrock. I'm 6'4 and really my only concerns are how the frames compare? I am not aware of dealers in my area so I would not be able to test ride.
    Airborne does not have dealers. They are direct order only. But they will do everything in there power to make sure you fit. I'm 6'3" and I ride a 21" zeppelin elite or a 22" goblin.

    BigDaddyFlyer is a super helpful rep for airborne so he can answer anything you need. Cept pricing right now as that's hush hush

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    OK, you guys are getting the info here first.

    Price on the HobGoblin is $1749 plus shipping.

    From now until December 5th we will be running our free freight promo for any booked pre-orders. After that the free freight promo is over so if you want to save the $75 this is the only way.

    Bikes are due to be in the warehouse and shipping to customers the week of December 10th.

    The new HobGoblin webpage will be up and working later today, complete with photos and ordering info.

    Framesets and a macked-out XO version are both coming soon, more details on those to follow.

    Here are the specs for the $1749 HobGoblin:


    Frame:7000series Hydroformed Aluminum Dual Suspension 29" with 100mm of travel
    Fork: RockShox Reba RL 29 Dual Air w/Lock-Out, tapered steer, 100mm
    Headset: Ahead Sealed Cartridge 1 1/8" to 1.5" tapered
    Rear Shock: RockShox Monarch RL with lock-out
    Brake Levers: Avid Elixir 3
    Brakes: Avid Elixir 3 Hydraulic Disc
    Rotors: Avid 180mm front, 160mm rear
    Shifters: SRAM X-7 2x10
    F Derailleur: SRAM X-7 2x10
    R Derailleur: SRAM X-7 2x10 Mid-Cage
    Cassette: SRAM PG-1050 11-36T 10-Speed
    Chain: SRAM Powerchain 1051
    Crank: SRAM X-7 2x10, 38/24 rings
    Bottom Bracket: SRAM PressFit30
    Pedals: NONE
    Rims: WTB SpeedDisc XC Alloy Double-Walled with eyelets
    Hubs: KT HiFlange Sealed Bearing 32H
    Spokes: Black 14g Stainless
    Tires: GEAX AKA 2.2"
    Handlebar: AIRBORNE Alloy 640mm wide, 15 degree rise, 5 degree sweep
    Stem: AIRBORNE Alloy +/- 7 Degree Rise, size specific
    Saddle: Selle San Marco Ponza Power
    Seat Post: AIRBORNE Alloy 31.6mm Diameter, 350mm Length
    Extras: Owner's Manual, Clear Coat, H20 Bottle Mount

    Thanks for your patience, and let me know if you have any questions!

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    mmmmmm so secksy. never tried a FS o_O

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    Thank you for going 31.6 on the seat. I want a dropper in the worst way and the 30mm on my zeppelin makes things difficult

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    Thank you for going 31.6 on the seat. I want a dropper in the worst way and the 30mm on my zeppelin makes things difficult
    You're welcome!

    That 30.0 was done by the prior PM that came before me. All of the mountainbikes I have worked on have been 31.6 for availability and ease of upgrading seatposts.

    30.0 is a dead seatpost size and very difficult to find any more.
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    that's a lot of bike for the price.

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    When can we get specs on the geometry? My local LBS was blown away by my zeppelin and I mentioned the hobgoblin and how I was excited about it and I mentioned sub 2k 29er FS and he started asking me about head angles and all sorts of geometry questions that I didn't learn about in high school.

    Pretty good sign of a killer bike if a LBS owner is rocking one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    When can we get specs on the geometry? My local LBS was blown away by my zeppelin and I mentioned the hobgoblin and how I was excited about it and I mentioned sub 2k 29er FS and he started asking me about head angles and all sorts of geometry questions that I didn't learn about in high school.

    Pretty good sign of a killer bike if a LBS owner is rocking one.
    The webpage will be up later today with all of the info.

    Basically the geometry is almost the same as the new Goblin, so that the two ride very similar to each other. (71 degree HT and 74 degree ST angles).

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    Thanks BDF for the info first! Very excited and the price point is GREAT!

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    I don't see any web page with the Hobgoblin?!?! Am I missing something or did it not go up yet?

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    it's not up yet. I'm guessing it'll be released first thing in the morning! i'm not even buying it and i'm excited. a man can only dream

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    Quote Originally Posted by swl7 View Post
    it's not up yet. I'm guessing it'll be released first thing in the morning! i'm not even buying it and i'm excited. a man can only dream
    HobGoblin is up on the website now!

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    But I'm holding out for pricing on the XO!

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