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    Airborne bikes is back

    I know I got kind of excited too. But sadly they are not as nice as the old bikes.

    http://airbornebicycles.com/Products/Default.aspx

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    Dam I really am disappointed now.

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    I remember the old ads. These bikes aren't nearly as nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    I remember the old ads. These bikes aren't nearly as nice.

    Yea I worked on a few of the bikes back in the day. I thought they were kind of nice. And I loved the nose art on the top tube.

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    I thought at least for awhile that Airborne was a part of Huffy, still based in Ohio (but obviously selling Ti frames made in Asia somewhere to keep costs down).

    I wondered what happened to them...didn't they sort of pioneer the direct to the buyer over the internet market?

    I heard about the relaunch. Rather disappointed that they're just rebadged Iron Horses, but I did notice that they were NOTHING like the old Airbornes and had a bit of an air of cheapness about them.

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    Airborne takes flight

    Hey everyone,

    My name is Martin and I am part of the Airborne Flight Crew (a group chosen to test and review Airborne bicycles). It's my pleasure to confirm that Airborne is indeed back!!!! We launched at Sea Otter over the weekend and we couldn't be more stoked about the response we received from visitors to our tent.

    We are committed to providing a great value to the biking community and I think we have hit that goal. Perhaps better with some bikes than others. The thing to remember is that this is merely our starting point. While at Sea Otter we were already began experimenting with different component setups on the bikes to increase performance and (on the xc bikes) reduce weight.

    Our goal is to become dynamic, social media driven company. To that end, we welcome any feedback that you guys might have. I invite you to visit us on our Facebook page http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Air...s/300378139258 and share your thoughts on our products. But don't stay too long. Get out there and ride!!!

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    Didn't the original owner of Airborne make his own company anyhow? Van-Nicholas bicycles, right?

    http://vannicholas.com/Wbmhome.aspx

    These new Airbornes seem to only be cashing in on the name, labeling beginner's bikes with a known name from the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poontank
    Hey everyone,

    My name is Martin and I am part of the Airborne Flight Crew (a group chosen to test and review Airborne bicycles). It's my pleasure to confirm that Airborne is indeed back!!!! We launched at Sea Otter over the weekend and we couldn't be more stoked about the response we received from visitors to our tent.

    We are committed to providing a great value to the biking community and I think we have hit that goal. Perhaps better with some bikes than others. The thing to remember is that this is merely our starting point. While at Sea Otter we were already began experimenting with different component setups on the bikes to increase performance and (on the xc bikes) reduce weight.

    Our goal is to become dynamic, social media driven company. To that end, we welcome any feedback that you guys might have. I invite you to visit us on our Facebook page http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Air...s/300378139258 and share your thoughts on our products. But don't stay too long. Get out there and ride!!!
    How is it that you say "we're a group chosen to test and review Airborne" when you also refer to the company as "Us" "Our" "We", and so forth?

    What value will the reviews have if you're working for the company?

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    Frames definitely look like old iron horse warrior and yakuza offerings

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    The New Airborne looks like a very different thing, judging by the model selection. I see fairly conservative designs, which is not a bad thing as long as they work. Will it catch the eye of the buyers? We'll see.

    (I believe "the original guy" goes on at http://vannicholas.com/ , which is doing relatively affordable titanium)

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    Ahhh...interesting...Airborne and their dealer Giantnerd seem to have a connection to Randall Weidberg of Iron Horse fame. He's come back strong...

    That's reason enough not to support Airborne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glitz
    How is it that you say "we're a group chosen to test and review Airborne" when you also refer to the company as "Us" "Our" "We", and so forth?

    What value will the reviews have if you're working for the company?
    I'll try my best to explain. I do not work for Airborne. I am an unpaid independent contractor. I'd love to see the brand succeed, but I'm not going to compromise my integrity to that end. We'll be out there testing bikes and writing reviews, but we will always be up front about being a member of the crew.

    I also will be submitting reviews to Airborne as feedback after testing their products so the information can be used to improve their bicycles.

    For those reasons, I would think a review from the flight crew would have some credibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glitz
    Didn't the original owner of Airborne make his own company anyhow? Van-Nicholas bicycles, right?

    http://vannicholas.com/Wbmhome.aspx

    These new Airbornes seem to only be cashing in on the name, labeling beginner's bikes with a known name from the past.
    Van Nicholas is owned and ran by JW. JW was the distributor and european partner for the first Airborne bicycles. After Airborne closed down shop in the US, JW continued with the frame designs using the same factory and formed his own company. He's done some great design and product since then. But its erroneous to call him the first owner of Airborne. Jamie Raddin was the brainchild and founder of the first Airborne company.

    I was a part of the first Airborne. It was a great company to work for and frankly, IMHO, ahead of its time.

    The new Airborne is completely different. We are targeting an enthusiast market and trying to offer a product to get people out riding, or maybe who are considering trying a different discipline (like Downhill, for example) but don't want to shell out a ton of cash to buy a high dollar rig. We want to put more people on bikes.

    Yes some of the designs look familiar. We have partnered with the factory that made the Iron Horse products.. Top tube lengths, some shapes, and geometry have been changed and more changes are coming.

    We are working on some interesting new models and have a few things in the hopper that are industry-changing.

    I'm a bike snob myself. I'll admit it. I've got rigs at home that cost waaaaaaaaay more than anything we offer. I'm not the demographic that these bikes are targeted at. Well, maybe I am. I've got the first Taka downhill rig that we made. There's no place to ride downhill close to me, never really done it, but now I'm going to give it a try.

    So I'm excited about the new Airborne. The guys and girls that won the contest to come to Sea Otter and ride our bikes were a great group of people. They don't work for us, and frankly if they have an opinion that's bad or indifferent about the product, I want them to express it.

    I hope that helps a bit. I couldn't find my login info so I had to re-register. If anyone has any questions please feel free to contact me, I'd be happy to talk!

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    Quote Originally Posted by glitz
    Didn't the original owner of Airborne make his own company anyhow? Van-Nicholas bicycles, right?

    http://vannicholas.com/Wbmhome.aspx

    These new Airbornes seem to only be cashing in on the name, labeling beginner's bikes with a known name from the past.

    Nice belt driven Ti frames. Must not spend money Must not spend money Must not spend money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer
    Van Nicholas is owned and ran by JW. JW was the distributor and european partner for the first Airborne bicycles. After Airborne closed down shop in the US, JW continued with the frame designs using the same factory and formed his own company. He's done some great design and product since then. But its erroneous to call him the first owner of Airborne. Jamie Raddin was the brainchild and founder of the first Airborne company.

    I was a part of the first Airborne. It was a great company to work for and frankly, IMHO, ahead of its time.

    The new Airborne is completely different. We are targeting an enthusiast market and trying to offer a product to get people out riding, or maybe who are considering trying a different discipline (like Downhill, for example) but don't want to shell out a ton of cash to buy a high dollar rig. We want to put more people on bikes.

    Yes some of the designs look familiar. We have partnered with the factory that made the Iron Horse products.. Top tube lengths, some shapes, and geometry have been changed and more changes are coming.

    We are working on some interesting new models and have a few things in the hopper that are industry-changing.

    I'm a bike snob myself. I'll admit it. I've got rigs at home that cost waaaaaaaaay more than anything we offer. I'm not the demographic that these bikes are targeted at. Well, maybe I am. I've got the first Taka downhill rig that we made. There's no place to ride downhill close to me, never really done it, but now I'm going to give it a try.

    So I'm excited about the new Airborne. The guys and girls that won the contest to come to Sea Otter and ride our bikes were a great group of people. They don't work for us, and frankly if they have an opinion that's bad or indifferent about the product, I want them to express it.

    I hope that helps a bit. I couldn't find my login info so I had to re-register. If anyone has any questions please feel free to contact me, I'd be happy to talk!

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    Are you guys going to do any Carbon race bikes? And will you offer just frames at any time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pulser
    Are you guys going to do any Carbon race bikes? And will you offer just frames at any time?
    Carbon is not on the menu at the moment, but some other interesting materials are being used and tested right now.

    Frame-only sales could be a possibility next year depending on how things go with this initial launch. I'll keep everyone updated as things progress.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer
    Carbon is not on the menu at the moment, but some other interesting materials are being used and tested right now.

    Frame-only sales could be a possibility next year depending on how things go with this initial launch. I'll keep everyone updated as things progress.....

    Jeremy

    Cool I tend to buy frames. Almost no one specs a bike the way I like it. And I probably couldn't afford it of they did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pulser
    Cool I tend to buy frames. Almost no one specs a bike the way I like it.
    I hear ya brother. I'm picky as hell too.

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    So to paraphrase the new Airborne frames are just Iron Horse stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    So to paraphrase the new Airborne frames are just Iron Horse stuff.

    Sounds like it for now. But I will keep my eye on them, If they do something cool in an XC bike I would buy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer
    The new Airborne is completely different. We are targeting an enthusiast market and trying to offer a product to get people out riding, or maybe who are considering trying a different discipline (like Downhill, for example) but don't want to shell out a ton of cash to buy a high dollar rig. We want to put more people on bikes.
    This is a philosophy I can stand behind. While I would like a nice $6-7,000 Specialized Carbon Enduro, I am never going to be able to afford that. But if you bring the price down to maybe $1,000, well hey that's something that I could work towards. (The Zeppelin Elite is right under the $1k mark, and it rides well!)

    None of the models are selling for anywhere near the set $2,500 ceiling right now (currently $1,600-1,700 for the Taka downhill rig). But there are already whispers of several new bikes in the works looking to be lighter and with better components coming in close to that ceiling. After putting a bunch of mile on their bikes already, I'm sure you can get a heck of a lot of bike out of $2,500 with Airborne. Now to figure out a way to get my hands on one!



    So in a nut shell, that's why I'm excited about being on the Airborne Flight Crew. I think it's a very cool idea and a very cool brand, and with the riding I've done on the bikes, they have been very nice! I'm looking forward to writing more about them in future, and telling the good and the bad. I've already written a couple reviews on my blog, and I mentioned everything that went wrong as well as all the things that went right. If the bikes are good, they're going to stand on their own!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbGreg
    This is a philosophy I can stand behind. While I would like a nice $6-7,000 Specialized Carbon Enduro, I am never going to be able to afford that. But if you bring the price down to maybe $1,000, well hey that's something that I could work towards. (The Zeppelin Elite is right under the $1k mark, and it rides well!)

    None of the models are selling for anywhere near the set $2,500 ceiling right now (currently $1,600-1,700 for the Taka downhill rig). But there are already whispers of several new bikes in the works looking to be lighter and with better components coming in close to that ceiling. After putting a bunch of mile on their bikes already, I'm sure you can get a heck of a lot of bike out of $2,500 with Airborne. Now to figure out a way to get my hands on one!



    So in a nut shell, that's why I'm excited about being on the Airborne Flight Crew. I think it's a very cool idea and a very cool brand, and with the riding I've done on the bikes, they have been very nice! I'm looking forward to writing more about them in future, and telling the good and the bad. I've already written a couple reviews on my blog, and I mentioned everything that went wrong as well as all the things that went right. If the bikes are good, they're going to stand on their own!

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    Let me get this striate. You wright reviews on bikes and you take a big 6in bike on single track thats fast and isn't technical. And then you take an entry level hard tail to a pump track. And you want us to trust your reviews? What kind of industry experience do you have? What kind of a rider are you? Have you ever raced? What kind of ability level are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pulser
    Let me get this striate. You wright reviews on bikes and you take a big 6in bike on single track thats fast and isn't technical. And then you take an entry level hard tail to a pump track. And you want us to trust your reviews? What kind of industry experience do you have? What kind of a rider are you? Have you ever raced? What kind of ability level are you?
    As I said, there was nothing harder available. I mentioned that in my post, and said it needed tougher terrain to test it's metal, and that I wished I could take it back east with me.

    In all honesty, I didn't feel like the trails out there were sufficient to really see what this bike is capable of. There is so much burl packed into an affordable package and labeled with the name "Marauder" that I'd really need to get it back on some East Coast gnar or some good, technical Rocky Mountain descents.
    As for the hardtail, the dirt jumps were just for kicks I rocked it through some standard XC stuff first, hence:

    I rock and rolled through the test bumps and turns, bridges and dirt just fine! The Airborne Spectre (available in two different component builds) really is a solid hardtail at a very reasonable price, and is definitely worthy of a look for those in the market for their first mountain bike, or even those looking for a solid hardtail at a reasonable price.

    Not only is this just a solid hardtail for regular usage, it can take a little abuse too! After the test track I eyed up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbGreg
    As I said, there was nothing harder available. I mentioned that in my post, and said it needed tougher terrain to test it's metal, and that I wished I could take it back east with me.



    As for the hardtail, the dirt jumps were just for kicks I rocked it through some standard XC stuff first, hence:



    As for more information about me and my riding, why not try the "About Me" section? That's where that sort of information is usually located.

    So your a dude that likes to ride bikes. You have no actual industry experience. You don't race for any one. And You base line for what a bike should feel like is your 2007 Jamis Dakar XLT. I will stick with the guys at Bike Mag for my reviews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pulser
    So your a dude that likes to ride bikes. You have no actual industry experience. You don't race for any one. And You base line for what a bike should feel like is your 2007 Jamis Dakar XLT. I will stick with the guys at Bike Mag for my reviews.
    Haha I would too man! I'm not pretending to be a gear guru here!

    Now trails... I've ridden a lot of trails... But again, quite a few people have ridden more!




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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbGreg
    Haha I would too man! I'm not pretending to be a gear guru here!

    Now trails... I've ridden a lot of trails... But again, quite a few people have ridden more!




    PS, and who is better than Bike Mag, honestly? Those guys rock!

    This is true but if you read the first article in the new issue they say there not gods.

    The Sh*t bike rocks

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    Quote Originally Posted by pulser
    This is true but if you read the first article in the new issue they say there not gods.
    The Bible of Bike Reviews issue, right? Yeah, I read that, but with THAT many reviews in one magazine, I mean really....

    Did you hear that Lou Mazzante (I hope I got that right) is resigning? I then read in Mountain Bike that he'll be taking over there. I'm kind of sad, but he wrote an awesome last piece for "Start Here" in the latest mag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbGreg
    The Bible of Bike Reviews issue, right? Yeah, I read that, but with THAT many reviews in one magazine, I mean really....

    Did you hear that Lou Mazzante (I hope I got that right) is resigning? I then read in Mountain Bike that he'll be taking over there. I'm kind of sad, but he wrote an awesome last piece for "Start Here" in the latest mag.

    Its the issue after that. The first article is his good buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pulser
    Its the issue after that. The first article is his good buy.
    Ah got it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbGreg
    Ah got it.

    Dude why for me to hijack my own thread. Talk about off topic.

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    I rode a Lucky Strike for a couple seasons. Really nice frame. Sadly i sold it.

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    Airborne and their dealer Giantnerd seem to have a connection to Randall Weidberg of Iron Horse fame.


    Good luck with that .

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    Quote Originally Posted by pulser
    . I will stick with the guys at Bike Mag for my reviews.
    Wow, that is stooping pretty low

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    Airborne bikes is back x2?

    I may be just not finding what I am looking for, or it is right in front of my face? What I'm gathering is Airborne formerly Airborne-Iron Horse then Airborne again yet with very similar IH frames (apparently due to contracts with frame builders already in place), is now making new models with no ties to anything previous. I have pre-ordered a Guardian 29er and very excited! But am still curious to who they are, when i received the invoice from paypal my funds went to an @huffy email are they part of Huffy? I can only say great things so far they have posted awesome pics of the frames and build as it is happening, something I didn't expect especially for the $600 price range, they even have pics of their skyhawk 26er. The bike should be here early April from what I have been told, can't wait Also what about an Airborne Forum in the manufacturers section?
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    In their original incarnation, they were part of Huffy, IIRC. Not sure about now, but there's a guy with the company I've seen posting here. can't remember his screen name, though. might try searching the forums for Airborne and you might find him.

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    Thanks, Bigdaddyflyer is his screen name if its the same one I saw. He was telling me that he was on his way out to the factory for this weeks production so not sure if he will be on here anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    In their original incarnation, they were part of Huffy, IIRC. Not sure about now, but there's a guy with the company I've seen posting here. can't remember his screen name, though. might try searching the forums for Airborne and you might find him.
    Originally they were NOT part of Huffy, it wasn't until they started
    expanding that they needed more buying power, hence Huffy.
    And the Huffy experience I believe is what killed them, as well
    as the low prices they were selling stuff at.
    And yes, still riding the Lucky Strike, and waiting to see what they
    do next with their line-up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pryorflstf View Post
    I may be just not finding what I am looking for, or it is right in front of my face? What I'm gathering is Airborne formerly Airborne-Iron Horse then Airborne again yet with very similar IH frames (apparently due to contracts with frame builders already in place), is now making new models with no ties to anything previous. I have pre-ordered a Guardian 29er and very excited! But am still curious to who they are, when i received the invoice from paypal my funds went to an @huffy email are they part of Huffy? I can only say great things so far they have posted awesome pics of the frames and build as it is happening, something I didn't expect especially for the $600 price range, they even have pics of their skyhawk 26er. The bike should be here early April from what I have been told, can't wait Also what about an Airborne Forum in the manufacturers section?
    Hey there,

    Thanks so much for your kind words! We are excited about every bike we make, even the less expensive ones as they get more people on bikes, and hopefully create more lifetime participants in the sport.

    Yes, Huffy is our parent company. We are a separate division that has a separate P&L. Not unlike the connection between Pacific and Cannondale. Its a "win" for us as while we are separate, we still get to take advantage of some of the things that only large bike companies have: ample warehousing, purchasing power, etc. But we get to run our business separate and as we see fit.

    Thanks!
    Please Note: I no longer work for Airborne. If you have an Airborne question or problem please contact them directly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    Hey there,

    Thanks so much for your kind words! We are excited about every bike we make, even the less expensive ones as they get more people on bikes, and hopefully create more lifetime participants in the sport.

    Yes, Huffy is our parent company. We are a separate division that has a separate P&L. Not unlike the connection between Pacific and Cannondale. Its a "win" for us as while we are separate, we still get to take advantage of some of the things that only large bike companies have: ample warehousing, purchasing power, etc. But we get to run our business separate and as we see fit.

    Thanks!
    I'm glad to see something new and exciting and great enthusiasm for a new product.

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    Sometimes things are so obvious, it's comical. Enjoyed the write up in MBA about the Goblin - no need to shill this site, Airborne-guys. Let your product do the talking.

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    Looking at KrazyKreitzer's post history, it would appear that he is commenting on more than just Airborne threads. Also noting his join date, it would also be a more logical conclusion that he did a forum search on Airborne and is very likely simply padding his post count to be able to start threads / post links / pictures, etc.

    The Airborne company representative on these forums, BigDaddyFlyer, has already refuted the affiliation of KrazyKreitzer in one of nuffink's multiple accusatory posts in a different thread. It seems logic didn't enter the thought process, or nuffink didn't bother to look at KrazyKreitzer's post history before passing judgment and flinging accusations towards Airborne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G0at View Post
    Looking at KrazyKreitzer's post history, it would appear that he is commenting on more than just Airborne threads. Also noting his join date, it would also be a more logical conclusion that he did a forum search on Airborne and is very likely simply padding his post count to be able to start threads / post links / pictures, etc.

    The Airborne company representative on these forums, BigDaddyFlyer, has already refuted the affiliation of KrazyKreitzer in one of nuffink's multiple accusatory posts in a different thread. It seems logic didn't enter the thought process, or nuffink didn't bother to look at KrazyKreitzer's post history before passing judgment and flinging accusations towards Airborne.
    Yeah, what was I thinking. After all only 70% of his posts are shilling Airborne.

    Still, despite the fact he looks like an obvious (and rubbish) astroturfer, I'll delete my posts on the grounds that Airborne are in the impossible position of having to prove a negative.

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    never seen so many trolls in one forum. I like what Airborne is doing. I don't know what mountain biking is. i'm just a dude that likes to bike, and I recently transitioned just enjoying a ride in a trail on a friend's bike.

    That being said, I went online to see how much a mountain bike costs. I work, I have money, but as a guy that's never dove into this stuff, I saw airborne's bike being a reasonable price.

    I just see their business plan's involvement in social media to work well. making this sport more aware to scrubs that want to do something cool. nothing wrong with that.

    and yea... i purchased one of their bikes. does that make me their employee?

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    Just saw the updates to this thread. When I joined and was first posting I had a few tabs open doing research on the Airborn Goblin I had just learned about that same night. I wanted to send a PM to BigDaddyFlyer to inquire about Airborne and the Goblin but was unable to b/c I didn't have any posts. So I posted positive things in the tabs I had open.

    That being said, I have never seen an Airborne bike in person nor have I had any contact with the company other that a couple of PM's to BigDaddyFlyer. I am just excited to get back into MTB'ing and also to see the bike in person in a few weeks at a local event.

    Sorry to anybody who thought I may have had any affiliation with anybody to do with Airborne, but that's not the case.

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    Airborne is back

    I happen to still own my original airborne Ti frame. I recently converted it to single speed and have it down to 16.9 pounds. Over the years I have out about $8K into it.
    I knew that airborne had moved to Asia and are all the rage of upwardly mobile mountain bikers in Malaysia. To find out that they are now back and only have aluminum bikes is disappointing for sure. The bikes are not even in that classic airborne geometry.

    I do wish you luck and I can't wait to see someone out there with the new frame as I cruise by in my 'retro' Airborne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by urbanwoodpusher View Post
    The bikes are not even in that classic airborne geometry.
    You'll find that things in the mtb world in terms of geometry and wheel size have changed a bit since 2004.

    You may want to do some more searching around on this forum and the internet to see what else you've missed out on in the past 9 years.
    Please Note: I no longer work for Airborne. If you have an Airborne question or problem please contact them directly.

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    Airborne is back

    Seriously?

    Not sure if I should be insulted by the innuendo.
    I guess you missed the part about me wishing you luck...

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