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    X0/XX Grip Shift

    Anybody currently running the XO/XX SRAM Grip Shift. I'm thinking about buying some XO grip shifts, but trying to get some feedback before i do. They look much better than the old throttle shifters, and seem to mostly get good reviews(for few i can find online) by the people who ACTUALLY tried them. Any of you running them on your bike right now? Do they perform well enough to change out my X7 triggers on my all-purpose FS 29er? Basically how do they perform and do you regret buying them?

    BTW none of my friends have them, and no LBS bikes equipped with them to test. Most of the threads i've found on here about them are from when they first came out, and most people hadn't ridden them yet.
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    Yes they work great, I've always felt Gripshift has the most precise and light action shifting, at least in the last 10 years or so since the X series der's.

    On the latest version, couple things- If you use the new type 2 clutch der, not quite as light action, and the grips are longer than previous versions. This can be an issue w/ reach to the brake lever. I'm waiting on these special end cap rings to run shorter grips as the reach to my XT levers is not ideal.

    Checkout this article, it has more on those details I mentioned-
    New SRAM Grip Shift – Tech Details, Photos, Weights & First Impressions - Bike Rumor

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    My wife's been running the new XO twisters since early last season and their great. She wouldn't run anything else but the smoothness/lighter action of the new design is really an improvement. Everyone seems concerned about the grips and length. The shifters come w/ a 'plug' to seal the shifters if you want to run other grips. Currently running cutdown Ergons w/ integrated bar-ends. I'm still on 9s so I'll wait till I upgrade to XX this year to put them on but no triggers for me either.

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    I have used XO Gripshift on a couple of rides on my 2013 Stump Marathon HT. I really like the Gripshift - it feels more positive than the older XO X-ray stuff I had.
    I like it enough that I am stripping the parts off the HT to put on my new Epic frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy13 View Post
    Everyone seems concerned about the grips and length. The shifters come w/ a 'plug' to seal the shifters if you want to run other grips.
    Mine did not, and apparently I'm not alone based off some other posts I've seen. Sram told my LBS they were out at the moment but should have them soon. Honestly tho I bet it's not needed, I can't imagine anything getting inside the shifter with a grip butted up against it. If I don't see em soon I will just put on my shorty ODI grips and be done with it.

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    I put a set of XO's on my Trance X. Like a lot. I've always
    liked grip shifters. The thing that is so nice is how you can
    just instantly go up or down multiple gears.

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    I put the rear X0 shifter on my Honzo with a Type 2 derailleur. Shifts awesome, build quality is great. I agree with grnd0 that it's great to be able to dump gears. Might put them on my XC bike at some point too.

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    For folks running different grips, how did you install the little spacer / plug thing? I'm running xx1, but I assume the grip interface is the same. I tried installing with the shifter off the bar, and couldn't find a way to get the 4 tabs all engaged simultaneously. On the bar, the tab movement is restricted. I assume I'm doing something wrong, but i see no other way for it to go on.

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    If I remember right, which is difficult at my age, installing the little plastic seal for the shifters was a little difficult for me too. I seem to remember that it was covered in the directions that came w/ the shifters and it had to be done prior to putting the shifter on the bar. Like I said it was last year and I can't remember what I had for breakfast yesterday.

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    Ordered them. Will have them within the week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkehler View Post
    Ordered them. Will have them within the week.
    Cool, could you reply on here how you like them after you get them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElDuderino2412 View Post
    Cool, could you reply on here how you like them after you get them?
    Sure. will do. Inspected them at the shop; they are going on the bike tomorrow. The mechanic showed me the internals. They are alloy, not plastic (but having said that, I thought the older X0 ones with the plastic were good). They guys in the shop that have tried them all said the same thing: the shifting is remarkably smooth and precise.

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    Have had the XO grip shifters now for 3-4 days. Very happy with the shifting -- the mechanism is fluid and smooth but also "definite". I'm not that pleased with the (hand) grips themselves, as they don't allow me to hold on to the edge of the bars with comfort. I will install Ergon grips.

    I'm actually happy with either triggers or gripshifters. I don't get riled up like some of the gripshift haters. These are not cheap but they are probably going to last well.

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    Excuse the partial thread jack but...

    Will 9spd XO Grip Shift work with Shadow Plus derailleurs? From what I understand, Sram 9 spd trigger shifters can be used with Shimano clutch derailleurs since the actuation ratio is almost exactly the same. Does this hold true for the grip shifters as well?

    Currently planning on sticking with my trigger shifters on my XC race bike build, but would like to know if gripshift would work, should I get the urge to go full weight weenie. TIA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gbug View Post
    Excuse the partial thread jack but...

    Will 9spd XO Grip Shift work with Shadow Plus derailleurs? From what I understand, Sram 9 spd trigger shifters can be used with Shimano clutch derailleurs since the actuation ratio is almost exactly the same. Does this hold true for the grip shifters as well?
    Not sure where you heard this was possible, but unfortunately due to the different cable pull ratios it won't work. SRAM uses 1:1 vs Shimano which uses 2:1. SRAM ESP vs Shimano Cable Pull

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwarwick View Post
    Not sure where you heard this was possible, but unfortunately due to the different cable pull ratios it won't work. SRAM uses 1:1 vs Shimano which uses 2:1. SRAM ESP vs Shimano Cable Pull
    See the first post on page two of this thread: XT Shadow Plus rear derailleur - available when?

    Shadow Plus 10spd derailleurs have been proven to work with 9spd Sram shifters.
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    My riding buddy has gone through two XO grip shifters and recently upgraded to XX1. Unfortunately he is now on his second XX1 grip shifter and, quite obviously, he's annoyed... so he just ordered the XX1 trigger shifter.

    He loves the shifter, but is fed up with reliability issues he's experienced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CBRsteve View Post
    My riding buddy has gone through two XO grip shifters and recently upgraded to XX1. Unfortunately he is now on his second XX1 grip shifter and, quite obviously, he's annoyed... so he just ordered the XX1 trigger shifter.

    He loves the shifter, but is fed up with reliability issues he's experienced.
    Any explanation as to why they died?
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    Is it possible to use an X0/XX Grip Shifter with an Shimano XTR SGS 10 speed rear derailleur?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TechniKal View Post
    For folks running different grips, how did you install the little spacer / plug thing? I'm running xx1, but I assume the grip interface is the same. I tried installing with the shifter off the bar, and couldn't find a way to get the 4 tabs all engaged simultaneously. On the bar, the tab movement is restricted. I assume I'm doing something wrong, but i see no other way for it to go on.
    You have to replace the already installed plastic ring with the ring in the box. Couldn't figure this out either, but have it installed now with a cut down ESI Chunky grip

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    thanks for the info!

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    Is the front shifter index'd like the old grip shift or do you just get two or three clicks like the triggers?

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    It's not like the old shifters, only one click per gear on the front.

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    I just ordered an XO rear shifter. Since using them on my fat bike I've learned to love the speed of grip shifts. Universal Cycles has a pretty good price on them right now... and if you sign up for their newsletter you get 15% off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intheways View Post
    Any explanation as to why they died?
    One of his XO shifters broke when he crashed... apparently the grip shift is quite susceptible to breaking from impact unlike a trigger which is a bit more protected by the handlebar. His first XX1 trigger was broken from the factory, it didn't downshift. LBS replace it under warranty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CBRsteve View Post
    One of his XO shifters broke when he crashed... apparently the grip shift is quite susceptible to breaking from impact unlike a trigger which is a bit more protected by the handlebar. His first XX1 trigger was broken from the factory, it didn't downshift. LBS replace it under warranty.
    This is my problem with the grip x.0 (9spd). I have never worn any out, but I'm on my 3rd because of crashes. So, 3 in 6 yrs of riding. At $90 each, not to bad really.
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    Can these gripshifts be used with Shimano rear derailluers? Anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ziscwg View Post
    This is my problem with the grip x.0 (9spd). I have never worn any out, but I'm on my 3rd because of crashes. So, 3 in 6 yrs of riding. At $90 each, not to bad really.
    Wow - I've been using the older-style X9/X0 shifters for at least 7 years now and I've never broken one; and I've certainly had my fair share of crashes. I hope its not just good luck on my part so far...

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    Quote Originally Posted by foocheck View Post
    It's not like the old shifters, only one click per gear on the front.
    I just installed these on my wife's bike and this was a big disappointment to me. However, I will say that after a bunch of tinkering, I was able to get it set up where there is minimal rub of the chain against the derailleur cage. However, the old indexing on the front shifter was a significant feature of the grip shift system that they dropped.

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    I have a set of new 2013 XO Grip shift take offs from a Spesh Epic Marathon. 2 speed front, 10 rear.

    They are the silver/chrome version. Have Shifters and matching lcok on grips.

    PM for pics.

    Overall I like them, but I am running 1x10 and have real issues(albeit only cosmetic) with different grips on each side of the bars. I also have a slight issue with changing gears on accident in the chunky stuff, that is likely more my fault tho from just re positioning....
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurnerConvert View Post
    I just installed these on my wife's bike and this was a big disappointment to me. However, I will say that after a bunch of tinkering, I was able to get it set up where there is minimal rub of the chain against the derailleur cage. However, the old indexing on the front shifter was a significant feature of the grip shift system that they dropped.
    Not sure about XX but for X0 there are two versions of the front shifter... single click or multiple clicks for each gear. I have in the past accidentally bought the single click version and immediately replaced them with the multi-click one. Being able to trim the front derailleur is one of the really nice features of grip shift that I would really hate to give up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwarwick View Post
    Not sure about XX but for X0 there are two versions of the front shifter... single click or multiple clicks for each gear. I have in the past accidentally bought the single click version and immediately replaced them with the multi-click one. Being able to trim the front derailleur is one of the really nice features of grip shift that I would really hate to give up.
    How do you tell the difference - I don't remember this being specified anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurnerConvert View Post
    How do you tell the difference - I don't remember this being specified anywhere.
    That's a really good question, for which there doesn't seem to be an easy answer (that I've been able to find). If I wasn't sure I usually asked the seller how many clicks between the gears. I believe the front with the multiple clicks went by a few different names but most often "micro-adjust" was used to describe it and occasionally I'd seen it referred to (incorrectly) as a "friction shifter". Now just to clarify I'm talking about the older 9 speed X0 shifters, I don't know if micro-adjust is even an option on the 10 speed ( or 11 speed?) ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwarwick View Post
    That's a really good question, for which there doesn't seem to be an easy answer (that I've been able to find). If I wasn't sure I usually asked the seller how many clicks between the gears. I believe the front with the multiple clicks went by a few different names but most often "micro-adjust" was used to describe it and occasionally I'd seen it referred to (incorrectly) as a "friction shifter". Now just to clarify I'm talking about the older 9 speed X0 shifters, I don't know if micro-adjust is even an option on the 10 speed ( or 11 speed?) ones.
    Well - I've owned five sets if the 9 speed X9 or X0 shifters and all of the front shifters in those sets had the micro-adjust. The only 10 speed one I bought (and it was for a triple front derailleur FWIW) did not have the micro-adjustment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurnerConvert View Post
    Well - I've owned five sets if the 9 speed X9 or X0 shifters and all of the front shifters in those sets had the micro-adjust. The only 10 speed one I bought (and it was for a triple front derailleur FWIW) did not have the micro-adjustment.
    Well that sucks to be sure. For me the only thing of interest that 10 speed brings is the new clutch rear derailleurs, but otherwise I think the lack of micro-adjust is just another reason for me to stick with my 8 and 9 speed systems. I may consider trying a Shimano Shadow+ RD with my 9 speed gripshift since I'm hearing this combo works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwarwick View Post
    Well that sucks to be sure. For me the only thing of interest that 10 speed brings is the new clutch rear derailleurs, but otherwise I think the lack of micro-adjust is just another reason for me to stick with my 8 and 9 speed systems. I may consider trying a Shimano Shadow+ RD with my 9 speed gripshift since I'm hearing this combo works.
    Yep - the Type 2 RD is what sucked me in. I just built up a complete FS carbon bike for my wife and I wanted to minimize the abuse on the chain stays. Turns out that the grip shifters were the fourth most expensive thing on the bike (frame, fork, rear hub then grip shifters). Sort of ridiculous - I just hope they are worth it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TechniKal View Post
    For folks running different grips, how did you install the little spacer / plug thing? I'm running xx1, but I assume the grip interface is the same. I tried installing with the shifter off the bar, and couldn't find a way to get the 4 tabs all engaged simultaneously. On the bar, the tab movement is restricted. I assume I'm doing something wrong, but i see no other way for it to go on.
    It's been a while since I installed mine but as I recall they are a tight friction/snap fit and it takes a bit of pressure to get them engaged.

    I like these shifters fine--with a two-ring set up I don't really miss the multi-click front shifter though I agree it would've been nice if they'd kept it.

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    So, are you saying you can no longer do any intermediate trimming on the front shifter, with the new XX and XO? I found that to be one of the most useful features on the old XO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HHL View Post
    So, are you saying you can no longer do any intermediate trimming on the front shifter, with the new XX and XO? I found that to be one of the most useful features on the old XO.
    Bingo.

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    I was pretty upset when I heard there was no micro adjustment of the FD on the new 10s twisters. I bought a set thinking I could always use an old 9s front twister w/ a new 10s for the rear. After setting it up it has worked great and I've had no reason to not use the 10s front twister. This is on an older (9s) XTR triple.

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    I run the xx, love it. so much easier to deal with than levers all over the place. Been a GS fan since teh xray 8 speed days.

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    Love the XX Grip Shifts

    I just installed XX Grip Shifts on a new bike with XX derailleurs, replacing the triggers. There's no rubbing at all with the 2 position front shifter. The XX/XO parts were designed to work together and not need any trimming of the front derailleur, which is one of the advantages SRAM touts. As long as you use them as a system, there are no problems. After riding with them, I really like the two positions on the left, as it turns front shifting into a no-brainer. Click! Big ring. Click! Small ring. That's exactly what I was hoping for.

    The rear shifting action is MUCH lighter than older Grip Shifts like the x.9, which I have on an '06, 9-speed bike. Interestingly, shifting to larger cogs is actually easier than shifting to smaller cogs and I occasionally found myself grabbing 2 gears at a time accidentally. A few more rides will fix that. The shifting is quick and precise and the Gore cables should keep it that way.

    I'm sold on the 2x10 setup and the only question is whether to convert the old bike to it or not.
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    I love my X0 Grip Shift that came on my 2013 Specialized Epic Marathon. I converted to 1x10 with a 38t Raceface NW chainring. I didn't use the small chainring ever. I did purchase a set of Sram grips that have one long grip and one short one. I am having no problems without a chain guide or front derailleur with the Type 2 rear derailleur.

    The one thing that I don't like is that the Magura MT6 brake levers that came on my bike have so much movement in them that they hit the shifters. At least I have a front brake now since I took off the left shifter. The dealer is trying to bleed the brakes for the third time right now. I have a feeling that the bleed procedure needs to be modified to accommodate the large diameter Grip Shifters.

    I can't see how the new Grip Shifters would be more prone to breaking than thumb shifters. If I were to crash and my bars were to spin, my Grip Shifters won't hit my top tube like thumb shifters would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by homer j View Post
    I have a feeling that the bleed procedure needs to be modified to accommodate the large diameter Grip Shifters.
    If all of the air is out of the system, whatever movement is left is designed into the brake system. The reach adjustment on the lever may help to provide clearance.

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    Oops! Double post from phone.

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    Bnystrom, thanks for that. Unfortunately, I have had my reach adjustments maxed out from day one. I have read about others that removed the take up by using a thinner spacer in the caliper when bleeding. Or pushing a little fluid in at the end of the bleed to push the pads a little closer. My bike shop mechanic doesn't seem to care what I have read or if my brakes have enough power to stop me. I'll give him this last try to get it right before I go completely ballistic.
    Sorry, I didn't mean to jack the thread.

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    Where else can you go from low to high, in ONE TURN of the dial? Nowhere.....that's where! Triggers will still take 3x longer, to go through the very same motions. Grip Shift is light, simple and last nearly forever. I still have my 100% operable, 8-speed Sachs Plasma shifters!

    Ever try fixing a jammed-up trigger shifter? The moment you remove ONE PART....they are rendered basically useless, as they are nearly impossible to re-assemble properly again.
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