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    X-Fusion Trace 29 140mm

    Im thinking this may be the fork for my Tallboy LTc build once I thin the herd and get my wife to sign on. Has anyone heard anything about when they will be available or what axle they've settled on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    Im thinking this may be the fork for my Tallboy LTc build once I thin the herd and get my wife to sign on. Has anyone heard anything about when they will be available or what axle they've settled on?
    I spoke with the X-fusion folks at the Sea Otter Classic and they were saying it would be available in July. Last week I called them in Santa Cruz and was told expect it sometime this fall. So, at this point, if they become available before the end of the year I will be impressed.

    Why don't you give them a call and see what they tell you? Might be interesting.

    I think that it will be a very sweet fork.
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    I'm not sure I can wait that long.

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    kind of confusing name.

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    Just heard back via email. Early 2013.

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    It will be worth the wait, trust me. I just started using a Vector Air HLR rear shock. it's above and beyond any Fox or Rock Shox rear shock period. I've already committed to putting their forks on all my bikes once these 140's are available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    I'm not sure I can wait that long.
    Have you considered the White Brothers Loop? Nice and stiff with an excellent damper. The Q-Taper axle clamping system locks down with a vengeance. Price is good.

    I have a 140mm Loop on my Bandit 29 and just ordered another set at 130mm w/straight steerer to update my old bike. I guess that I like them...
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    Subscribed. Fork looks great

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    Looks great!

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    I'm really drawing closer to xfusion products, I also like the fact brian lopes is riding for them.
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    I'm really hoping that these will be available sooner than 2013. I was planning to use them on a Tallboy LTc build, but the I need to have something to put on the front of it when I build it up in September.

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    Just an update: the new 2013 forks are up on X-Fusion's website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    Just an update: the new 2013 forks are up on X-Fusion's website.

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    Great catch. Thanks!

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    Trace Series

    Wheel Size: 29 inch
    Chassis: 34mm Tubes
    Stock Features: Uni-Crown (tapered only), GSA, X-15, Mid-Valve, RL2, ITA
    Optional Features: DLA, Remote Lockout
    Weight: 4.2 lbs, 1905 grams (140mm tubes) 4 lbs, 1840 grams (100mm tubes)
    Estimated Price Range: $600-$800 US
    Video: X-Fusion Launch 2013 Suspension Range - BikeRadar

    If the 140mm RL2 (not external travel adjustable) travel tapered will cost 800$ or worse 800euros dont find it as an attractive price as Joel said....do you?

    To be fair 800$ will not be so bad comparing to the paralogism of Fox but 800euros comparing with manitou offerings are much...

    For me, I am sure I would go with Manitou in half of that price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalom View Post
    Great catch. Thanks!
    Quote Originally Posted by ocean_29 View Post
    Video: X-Fusion Launch 2013 Suspension Range - BikeRadar

    If the 140mm RL2 (not external travel adjustable) travel tapered will cost 800$ or worse 800euros dont find it as an attractive price as Joel said....do you?

    To be fair 800$ will not be so bad comparing to the paralogism of Fox but 800euros comparing with manitou offerings are much...

    For me, I am sure I would go with Manitou in half of that price.
    No doubt.
    I emailed X-Fusion last week regarding Trace pricing, but $700-850 isn't that far off the beaten path of 140mm fork pricing when compared to the Fox 34 or Revelations 140. Definitely not as ludicrous as Fox 34 pricing, but I was hoping it would be no more than $750 for the top Trace model. Then 15% off with Universalcycles.com coupon would be nice.
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    I think that's about right for X-Fusion's high-end products, though. For example, I bought a Vector Air HLR and it was $500, compared to $515 for a DHX-Air. I think they're going to make their inroads by delivering a premium product at a price that's still below the competition.
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    If I end up buying a Trace 140mm, it will be because I think it is the best fork available. The $200 savings over a Fox 34 will be a bonus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    If I end up buying a Trace 140mm, it will be because I think it is the best fork available. The $200 savings over a Fox 34 will be a bonus.
    It would be the best fork available, if they didn't bundle it with the Syntace15QR axle system. A 20mm axle would have been perfect.
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    x fusion Trace

    I agree a 20mm axle would be a good option!

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    Does anyone know what the deal is with this fork? I emailed them last week and no response back? I don't want to be waiting to buy something that won't make it to market??

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    Per my last discussion with the X-Fusion rep it will be early Q1 before they are on the market.

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    The upgraded Slide is also looking quite tasty. 15QR. 120mm travel. Tapered steerer. The only thing I am not too chuffed on is the upper rating of 180mm for rotor size....

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    Any new information about when they will be available in UK?

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    So far their CS has been great. Still no response after 2 weeks of sending an email lol.
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    I've sent 2 emails as well with no reply. Probably not going to happen this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalom View Post
    The upgraded Slide is also looking quite tasty. 15QR. 120mm travel. Tapered steerer. The only thing I am not too chuffed on is the upper rating of 180mm for rotor size....
    I'm on a Tapered 120mm w/9mm QR Slide right now. Its a great fork. I'm sure only better with a 15QR.

    The X-Fusion products are nice. The machined alloy caps/knobs are awesome!

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    Just a FYI, most mfgs are at Interbike so, expecting prompt email responses from a week prior to a week after is a bit unrealistic.

    BUT, I did get a response from John Valera when I asked about the Trace and Vector Air HLR...a couple of weeks ago. He said no pricing yet, at least until after Interbike. No advanced damping (only rebound and lockout, no hi/low spd comp like the HLR) on the initial release...which is a huge bummer (for me)...while Fox is now going back to RC2 I'd prefer to not ride Fox, but looks like I'm stuck w/ them for this next season.

    Edit: I wonder if Avy will make a cart for the Fox 34 29er...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sheranian View Post
    I've sent 2 emails as well with no reply. Probably not going to happen this year.
    They told me 2013 when I emailed them months ago, and I expect that hasn't changed. Also, yeah... they are probably at Interbike.

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    I was just at interbike and talked with them about the trace fork. According to them it will be available January 2013. The trace will come in 2 version price tags $750 for non-unicrown, and $850 for the unicrown (Both MSRP Prices). Only Syntace15QR axle system at the moment. (According to him they surveyed and 90% of the population wanted the 15qr), but he said if the need is there for the 20mm TA they will build it.

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    Thanks for posting, $850 is not too far off Fox 34 pricing. That's unfortunate.
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    Again those are MSRP prices, the actual prices that places like jenson will be selling them at will most likely be 100-200 less maybe more. I must say the fork seemed the heaviest out of all of them. I think the 29er was around 4.3-4.5lbs..cant remember exactly. But the 34mm stanchions were rad. Also 2.5max tire.

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    Thanks Friedhouse.That's sucks about no 20.... Did you happen to notice colors? Wondering if they will be both black and white.

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    Subscribed as I too a, very interested in this fork. Fried, not sure if you've hefted an F34, but they're also not light at nearly 4.5lbs AFAIK. I think that Evasive is right and that while their pricing may only be 20-30% less than similar Fox, they'll be of the same or higher quality, or at least so far with people I know who have their products.
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    Anybody know if the 140mm option will be available with straight 1-1/8" steerer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joncmack View Post
    Anybody know if the 140mm option will be available with straight 1-1/8" steerer?
    According to PB, there will be.

    The Uni-Crown assembly will only available on X-Fusion's Trace series of 29er forks (there will is standard 1 1/8th option as well) for 2013, but expect it to pop up elsewhere in the lineup down the road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Subscribed as I too a, very interested in this fork. Fried, not sure if you've hefted an F34, but they're also not light at nearly 4.5lbs AFAIK. I think that Evasive is right and that while their pricing may only be 20-30% less than similar Fox, they'll be of the same or higher quality, or at least so far with people I know who have their products.
    If you want a light 140mm fork, look at the Revelation 140. Recently bought one (2012 RCT3 20mm Maxle) and was surprised it was only 3 lbs 15 oz with a longer steerer than my Fox 34 Float (4.5ish lbs)

    But at the end of the day, I stuck with the Float 34 as the Revelation was a lot more flexy under me, 230 lbs didn't help lol. Plus with its shorter A-2-C, my Honzo just felt weird with it, like it was a size smaller or something. I would have to run a lot more spacers under the stem to get it where I'd like it before with the 34, 25mm rise Chromag OSX bars, 50mm Thomson stem with only a 2.5mm spacer underneath.

    It was a good experiment that was always in the back of my mind since I bought a Revelation RLT (and sold before trying) for my bike and getting a Talas 34 and finally a Float 34 and always wondered if the $$$ of the Fox stuff was worth it, especially if there would be such a difference in stiffness between the 32mm and 34mm fork. And price difference was equally shocking between the two, I paid $899 for my Float 34 in black brand new, the Revelation RCT3 was only $385, brand new take off from a SC TB LTc.

    Another interesting thing was how much exposed stanchion there is on each fork, the Float 34 has well over 140mm of stanchion showing, but no matter how much I played with the Revelation's Dual Air settings, I was always under 140mm of exposed stanchion, closer to 135mm I'd say. And the fork had no spacers inside as well. I can definitely appreciate the single air set up of the Fox stuff and it was the biggest reason why I got rid of my first Revelation to begin with, especially after finding out Rockshox was ditching it for 2013 and moving forward with Solo Air.

    And looks like the Trace fork is even shorter than the Revelation as the Trace's A-2-C is 546mm @ 140mm vs 548mm for the Rockshox, Fox is 552mm.
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    Any news on this fork?

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    Yes, you will be able to buy them in 2013, no sooner, or at least that was the last word I got from them.
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    An A-C of 546mm??? If a company is coming late to the party it might be a good idea to match the important standards of the class leader so that buying their offering is a simple bolt on. Since the A-C of the F34 29er is 552.8mm, when set at 140mm travel, X-Fusion is short of the A-C mark that most builders of 140mm capable 29er frames are designing for.

    Most riders don't want to throw down for a sweet new frame with a slack HT and then install a shorter fork than it was designed for and thereby steepen the front end.

    Now, if this fork can be set at 150mm travel and an A-C of 556mm, I could get stoked about the prospect...
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    I can't see getting that worked up over 7mm. Your front tire choice and pressure could vary over at least half that length. And then there's the variable of whether the frame accepts zero stack headsets or not. The geo chart for the Banshee Prime quotes a 546mm a2c. The Marz 44 had a a2c of 547mm, IIRC and while there are too many variables in my experiences to say for certain, I don't think it gives up a lot to the Fox 34. Fox is the class leader, but mostly by default right now. It'll be interesting to see the X-Fusion offering in the wild, and what the 2013 trade shows may bring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    I can't see getting that worked up over 7mm.
    I'll second this. It'll give you about 0.3 degrees difference in head angle vs the Fox, and that's at full extension. Where either of these forks sag on average in relation to one another is anyone's guess. I'd also say that frame designers would greatly appreciate the extra 7mm for head tube weld area. Most of these head tubes are beginning to look like a Dixie cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    I can't see getting that worked up over 7mm. Your front tire choice and pressure could vary over at least half that length. And then there's the variable of whether the frame accepts zero stack headsets or not. The geo chart for the Banshee Prime quotes a 546mm a2c. The Marz 44 had a a2c of 547mm, IIRC and while there are too many variables in my experiences to say for certain, I don't think it gives up a lot to the Fox 34. Fox is the class leader, but mostly by default right now. It'll be interesting to see the X-Fusion offering in the wild, and what the 2013 trade shows may bring.
    Maybe, maybe not, but I definitely didn't like how my Honzo rode and handled when I tried out a 548mm a2c 140mm RS Revelation on it after a full season with the Fox 34 Float 140mm. It's not much, but I had to take up the difference with spacers below the stem. I didn't like it at all, sold the fork and never looked back.
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    It is in fact Fox who has put more height than required on their F34 fork when the others make do with less (well, who knows about how the new forks perform). More than 12mm EXTRA AC for the same travel going from F32 to F34 seems excessive. A shorter AC gives the frame designer more freedom in my opinion. It is not such a great idea to let the fork manufacturer dictate your frame design or HTA. However, spacers under the HT are not cool either.

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    I'd have to tend to agree that it's Fox who has a too tall A2C compared to all others. I've been happy with my F34, but imagine the A2C were shorter, you can then get more travel without changing the frames geo - as said most of the new bikes are designed around an A2C length of 546mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Maybe, maybe not, but I definitely didn't like how my Honzo rode and handled when I tried out a 548mm a2c 140mm RS Revelation on it after a full season with the Fox 34 Float 140mm. It's not much, but I had to take up the difference with spacers below the stem. I didn't like it at all, sold the fork and never looked back.
    29erchico's comment was about a2c and a shorter fork affecting the designed geometry, though, and that action is all underneath the headset. Achieving your preferred stack height is related, but not the same and spacers under the stem won't affect the a2c, obviously. Maybe that's why you didn't like it; I just can't imagine that I'd be that sensitive to it, given all the wiggle room in other variables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    29erchico's comment was about a2c and a shorter fork affecting the designed geometry, though, and that action is all underneath the headset. Achieving your preferred stack height is related, but not the same and spacers under the stem won't affect the a2c, obviously. Maybe that's why you didn't like it; I just can't imagine that I'd be that sensitive to it, given all the wiggle room in other variables.
    Check out post #38, the bike felt 'smaller' in the cockpit with the Revelation, nothing else has changed but the fork. Weird experiment for sure. Guess I'm just that sensitive.
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    eurospek: Didn't you also mention that you measured less than 140mm of stanchion showing on your Rev? Any chance your weren't fealing a 7mm difference but something closer to 17mm?

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    What other changes did you make when you did the fork swap? Did you move the saddle further back relative to the BB to take into account the steeper STA? Did you put on a shorter stem to bring you back so your cockpit was the same if you moved the saddle? I notice minute changes in bike setup, I have to adjust the angle of my saddle when I go from the "steep" setting to the "slack" setting and that's a 1 degree difference, but I can most assuredly feel the difference in tilt on the saddle. I don't generally worry to change anything with the stem most times, but I can feel it if I do adjust stem/bar height to account for the change in saddle height.

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    Check out post #38, the bike felt 'smaller' in the cockpit with the Revelation, nothing else has changed but the fork. Weird experiment for sure. Guess I'm just that sensitive.
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