Wide 29er rims

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  • 12-10-2012
    sbruton7
    Wide 29er rims
    After searching around the internet, this is the list of 29er rims, 35mm and wider, that I can find. Did I miss any?

    Velocity P35 rim: 32 or 36h, 35mm, 595g, double wall, disc only

    Salsa Gordo rim: 32 or 36h, 35mm, 700g, double wall, disc only (discontinued?)

    Kris Holm XC rim: 36h, 38mm, 795g, double wall, disc or rim

    Kris Holm Nimbus Dominator rim: 36h, 42mm, 903g, double wall, disc only

    Velocity Snow Cat rim: 32h, 44.5mm, xxxg, single wall, drilled holes, disc only

    Kris Holm Freeride rim: 36h, 47mm, xxxg, double wall, drilled holes, disc or rim

    Surly Rabbit Hole rim: 32/64h, 50mm, 699g, single wall, drilled holes, disc only (not yet released)

    Speedway UMA rim: 3xh, 50mm, xxxg, double wall, disc only (discontinued?)

    All in all, it's a pretty short list of wide rims for 29ers. There are no remaining double wall rims wider than 42mm and no 32h rims without drilled holes wider than 35mm.

    My hope is that the Surly Knard will add to mounting pressure for manufacturers to put out more wide 29er rims in a variety of styles and configurations. I've heard rumors that Velocity is going to be putting out a double-walled, ~45mm rim, so perhaps there is hope. And Jeff Jones keeps hinting that he is going to be selling 50mm 29er rims.
  • 12-10-2012
    buddhak
    Cool! I didn't know Velocity was offering the Snowcat. Anybody have any idea what the offset is on the spoke hole drilling?
  • 12-11-2012
    sbruton7
    A correction to the list that I posted. The Nimbus Dominator rim is not made by Kris Holm, it is made by Unicycle.com. I talked with someone from Unicycle.com today, and he said that they have started to get a lot of inquiries from 29er bike riders about the Nimbus and Kris Holm rims. Many of these inquiries have also been trying to find wide double-walled 29er rims without the drilled holes and in 32h (in addition to 36h).
  • 12-11-2012
    mikesee
    Gordo's are indeed discontinued, but there are still lots of them about at dealers.

    Sun MTX 33 are also 35mm wide and can be still found if you know whom to ask.

    Speedway Uma's are in short supply and I don't think Greg is having them made anymore.
  • 12-11-2012
    sbruton7
    I called Speedway today, and they are no longer making the 29er Uma. They laced up their last few pairs of new old stock rims earlier this year.
  • 12-11-2012
    Slow Danger
    Syntace, I think out of Germany, has claimed to be making a 40mm wheelset available soon. Didn't see any news about whether they would be offering the rims alone.
  • 12-11-2012
    jddjirikian
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Gordo's are indeed discontinued, but there are still lots of them about at dealers

    Damn! When did that happen? No wonder I can't seem to find them in stock at any of the usual locations.

    Were Spank rims on that list? I think they make a 35 mm wide rim too.
  • 12-12-2012
    shimstack
    The widest 29er Spank rim is the Subrosa at 30mm wide and 625g. I have two sets and am very happy with the width, durability and most importantly, stiffness.

    The Syntace info is here: http://www.syntace.de/download/pdf/w...MX_engl_LQ.pdf
  • 12-12-2012
    NYrr496
    CRAP!! Now I have to find a pair of Gordos. I want them on my next build.
  • 12-12-2012
    SS Hack
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shimstack View Post
    The widest 29er Spank rim is the Subrosa at 30mm wide and 625g. I have two sets and am very happy with the width, durability and most importantly, stiffness.

    The Syntace info is here: http://www.syntace.de/download/pdf/w...MX_engl_LQ.pdf

    This wheel set looks reasonable light for a wide rim, are they available yet?
  • 12-12-2012
    YourSoma
    Syntace

    info about the syntace wheels is here.
  • 12-12-2012
    Slow Danger
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by YourSoma View Post
    Syntace

    info about the syntace wheels is here.

    Might I add that Dirtrag had an article some time back that claimed Syntace was to be making these wheels in 40mm 29er. I think that article is probably wrong because nothing has shown up on the website. And the 35mm Syntace 29er wheels are not yet available, though the price plus cost to get them in the US might make them tough to find stateside.
  • 12-12-2012
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Sun MTX 33 are also 35mm wide and can be still found if you know whom to ask.

    Have these been discontinued? I see they are readily available from most sources?
  • 12-12-2012
    pete weber
    Anybody who would like a very slightly used set of MTX 33 can message me
  • 12-13-2012
    Salomo
    So basically with any kind of concerns about weight of the rim, the Velocity P35 seems to be the only option currently available?

    I'm considering to build a wheelset with wider rim that would allow me to use Knard as front tyre when those are available. The same rim should be usable with 29er 2.25 Ice Spiker Pro's so I guess the Rabbit Hole would be too wide then, maybe? ISP is about 55-56mm wide on Bonty Duster so I guess Rabbit hole would make it a bit of a box profile.
  • 12-13-2012
    Salomo
    So basically with any kind of concerns about weight of the rim, the Velocity P35 seems to be the only option currently available?

    I'm considering to build a wheelset with wider rim that would allow me to use Knard as front tyre when those are available. The same rim should be usable with 29er 2.25 Ice Spiker Pro's so I guess the Rabbit Hole would be too wide then, maybe? ISP is about 55-56mm wide on Bonty Duster so I guess Rabbit hole would make it a bit of a box profile.
  • 12-13-2012
    Slow Danger
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Salomo View Post
    So basically with any kind of concerns about weight of the rim, the Velocity P35 seems to be the only option currently available?

    I'm considering to build a wheelset with wider rim that would allow me to use Knard as front tyre when those are available. The same rim should be usable with 29er 2.25 Ice Spiker Pro's so I guess the Rabbit Hole would be too wide then, maybe? ISP is about 55-56mm wide on Bonty Duster so I guess Rabbit hole would make it a bit of a box profile.

    The Rabbit Hole might be too big for the Ice Spiker, yes. If you want something to be light, and to be available in rim only, then the P-35 is likely the best bet. However, if I were primarily concerned with using a Knard and/or an Ice Spiker, then I wouldn't care too much about rim weight/rotational weight.
  • 12-13-2012
    Salomo
    Should be rim only since I would like to build the wheels myself. P35 it is then unless something new pops up soon. I would like to be able to use ice spikers as well as I'm from Finland and those are usefull from december to april here. Wider rim would also make the ice spikers a bit wider which I think would be good. Of course the rim shouldn't be too wide.

    Knard is something that would be nice to try out with rigid fork but during the summer I probably run suspension fork and Ardent 2.4 in any case. So in that sense the weight does matter at least a bit.
  • 12-13-2012
    Kirk Pacenti
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    Not sure it's wide enough for you, but you might consider the Pacenti DL31 as well...

    Cheers,
    KP
  • 12-13-2012
    Kirk Pacenti
    More info here:

    BikeLugs.com
  • 12-13-2012
    Salomo
    I'm not sure what is wide enough for me either.. Basically I haven't ridden wider than 28mm so far but I would like to try out a rim wide enough to make actually a difference. I suppose you would be the best person to tell how much difference is there going from 28mm to 31mm and to 35mm and the difference between dl31 and p35 in real life :-). I guess that Knard would work better on p35 but I suppose it would be ok on dl31 as well. Eylets are of course nice which p35 doesn't have.
  • 12-13-2012
    sbruton7
    Kirk, any chance you will be producing a 29er rim larger than 35mm?
  • 12-13-2012
    sbruton7
    Kirk, any chance you will be producing a 29er rim larger than 35mm?
  • 12-13-2012
    sbruton7
    Oops, computer hiccup. Didn't mean to post that question twice.
  • 12-13-2012
    sbruton7
    Oops, computer hiccup. Didn't mean to post that question twice.
  • 12-14-2012
    azjonboy
    I just got some P35's. Plan on building a front wheel with a Knard for my Black Sheep.
  • 12-14-2012
    thickfog
    You haven't experienced awesome until you've tried. 2.4 or wider on. A 35mm or wider rim.
  • 12-15-2012
    Kirk Pacenti
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Salomo View Post
    I'm not sure what is wide enough for me either.. Basically I haven't ridden wider than 28mm so far but I would like to try out a rim wide enough to make actually a difference. I suppose you would be the best person to tell how much difference is there going from 28mm to 31mm and to 35mm and the difference between dl31 and p35 in real life :-). I guess that Knard would work better on p35 but I suppose it would be ok on dl31 as well. Eylets are of course nice which p35 doesn't have.

    Fwiw, when I initially designed the P35 it was going to be a 32mm wide rim. But Velocity felt they needed to go to 35mm to compete with the 35mm Salsa rim.

    The P35 rim makes a big difference in the tire profile and the way it handles. It creates a much larger contact patch, and offers a huge amount of grip. So much so that I had to change my riding style... I was almost (for me) impossible to get the tire to break loose, so rather than drifting through turns, you have to push it harder, lots of body english and counter steering required to get the most from it.

    Ultimately, I found a slightly narrrower rim (31-32mm) was more fun to ride. You get a lot of the advantages of the wider rim, great traction, higher volume, lower tire pressure, etc. But you can more easily roll the bike over and drift through turns more easily. Hope that helps.

    Cheers,
    KP
  • 12-15-2012
    Salomo
    Ok, that does help, thanks! I think that for me however the P35 might suit better, sinse it's actually the grip, or traction that I'm looking for. Trails that I mainly ride during the summer are quite narrow with lots of rocks and roots, very technical and quite low speed in general. Not a personal preference, it's just the way the trails are around here. Accents and decents are steep and short, so no high speed carving and/or drifting anyway, unfortunately.

    I'm also planning to try out fully rigid set up, so anything that makes the tyre bigger is good. Of course living in Finland there's tons of snow out there right now, so a larger footprint would be an advantage also, at least that's my guess.

    DL31 would be a very interesting option for my Tracer VP though when the wheelset needs updating.

    Thank for the reply, I really appreciate it!
  • 12-16-2012
    thickfog
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Kirk Pacenti View Post
    Fwiw, when I initially designed the P35 it was going to be a 32mm wide rim. But Velocity felt they needed to go to 35mm to compete with the 35mm Salsa rim.

    The P35 rim makes a big difference in the tire profile and the way it handles. It creates a much larger contact patch, and offers a huge amount of grip. So much so that I had to change my riding style... I was almost (for me) impossible to get the tire to break loose, so rather than drifting through turns, you have to push it harder, lots of body english and counter steering required to get the most from it.

    Ultimately, I found a slightly narrrower rim (31-32mm) was more fun to ride. You get a lot of the advantages of the wider rim, great traction, higher volume, lower tire pressure, etc. But you can more easily roll the bike over and drift through turns more easily. Hope that helps.

    Cheers,
    KP

    That's a very interesting take on it. Interesting.

    Btw, thanks for the p35! I'd like to try the tl28 soon.
  • 12-16-2012
    NYrr496
  • 12-16-2012
    Salomo
    I don't think that's a 29er rim. At least I haven't seen other than 26" versions anywhere. Quite heavy also. Would be nice if Mavic came up with a wide 29er rim though.
  • 12-16-2012
    sbruton7
    Unfortunately, the EX 729 rims only come in 26" size. Oddly, Mavic doesn't seem to make a 29er rim wider than 24mm.
  • 12-17-2012
    NYrr496
    OOps...
  • 03-02-2013
    thickfog
    Re: Wide 29er rims
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sbruton7 View Post
    I called Speedway today, and they are no longer making the 29er Uma. They laced up their last few pairs of new old stock rims earlier this year.

    This is unfortunate. The way umas hold a bead on tubless is incredible.
  • 10-27-2013
    that guy again
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Slow Danger View Post
    Might I add that Dirtrag had an article some time back that claimed Syntace was to be making these wheels in 40mm 29er. I think that article is probably wrong because nothing has shown up on the website. And the 35mm Syntace 29er wheels are not yet available, though the price plus cost to get them in the US might make them tough to find stateside.

    They're still not listed on the Syntace website but these wheels do exist. I've held them in my hand. They are HUGE.
  • 03-29-2014
    donnieboy
    Based on OUTER width:

    Syntace as Wheelset w/cx ray spokes
    -W35
    -W40

    Velocity
    -Blunt 35mm
    -Dually 45mm

    Just a couple that come to mind within a wheel system. There are more. The Syntace wheelsets look glorious. Bor is another german company you don't hear much about in North America, but are fantastic, as are AX lightness. They both make light, wide, fast wheels. Always consider application of weight over number of spoke holes though; for example I tour alot and weigh 165lbs, plus generally carry 15lbs on trips, so will get a rim engineered for 200lbs+ with 28 spokes in front and 32 in the rear, or 28/28. If I were racing I woud go minimum 24 front and 28 rear, or more if my rim was relatively wimpy/light. But I also torque the rear wheel like hell. Spokes would be aero cx-rays for racing and d'lites or DT 2.0 straight butted/Comp/Champion for touring or rough recreational riding. It's not fully usefull to spout off rims alone. We must also consider application in terms of terrain/desired durability/riding beahviour and the wheel as a whole system.
  • 03-29-2014
    Bike Whisperer
    Can add a couple carbon rims:

    Derby 35mm
    Nextie 35mm
  • 04-21-2015
    Velobike
    Any new rims to add to this. I'm looking for a minimum of 35mm. Not carbon (price :) )
  • 04-21-2015
    NYrr496
    Velocity makes the Blunt at 35mm and the Dually at 45.
    I think I was able to score a pair of 35mm Blunts for around 90 dollars each.
  • 04-22-2015
    GTR-33
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    Any new rims to add to this. I'm looking for a minimum of 35mm. Not carbon (price :) )

    Any new info is going to be easier to find in the 29+ section than in a three year old thread.
  • 06-22-2016
    diylighter
    The new Stans Flow MK3 seems like a decent option, though not labeled as a Plus rim/wheel.

    Rim Internal Width: 29.0mm
    Rim External Width: 32.3mm
    Rim Depth: 16.0mm
    Spokes: Sapim Force Black 2.0/1.7/1.8mm
    Nipples: Sapim Secure Lock Alloy Black
    Hub: Neo
    Hole Count: 32-hole
    Drilling Style: Symmetrical
    Color: Black
    Material: 6069 Aluminum Alloy
    Brakes: Disc only
    Wheelset Weight: 1807g (27.5") / 1918g (29")
    Rim Weight: 459g (26") / 480g (27.5") / 527g (29")
    ERD: 542mm (26") / 567mm (27.5") / 605mm (29")
    ETRTO: 559x29.0 (26") / 584x29.0 (27.5") / 622x29.0 (29")
    Color: Black
    ISO: 26"x32.3mm / 27.5"x32.3mm / 29"x32.3mm
    Tape: 30mm
    Valve: 35mm Presta
    Spoke Tension: 125kgf (1225N)
    Max Rider Weight: 250lbs (113 kilo)
    Max Pressure with 2.35" Tire: 37psi
    Max Pressure with 2.8" Tire: 26psi