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    Who's riding an X-fusion fork or Manitou fork on their 29'r?

    Need to hear something on these forks before I shell out the money

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    I love my Manitou. ABS+ Dampener is one of the best feeling dampeners I've ever ridden. Wayyyyy better than motioncontrol or even blackbox moco and feels smoother than TST2. Can'tt compared to fox's fit dampener though.

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    I just switched out a Reba SL (2nd gen) for a Tower Expert on one of my bikes. I don't have enough rides for a complete review but I prefer the Tower. I know that's blasphemy for most but it rides really really well. I've run only Reba's for 7+ years. The downside to the Tower Expert is weight. It's probably a half a pound heavier. But, I will gladly take that for an improved ride.

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    I run old Manitou Minute with TPC damping, I think it was the Tower predecessor with the same chassis. I don't like how the compression adjustment knob turning -too stiff- and it's difficult to pump the air to get the right pressure but when it's done the plushness and compression ramp up through the travel is great. The smoothness is like you have less air than needed but when it went to the travel it provides enough compression platform to save you from stupid move to bottom up the fork.
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    I have the 2012 Manitou Tower Pro ABS Taperd steer tube 15mm axle I have it on my Salsa Spearfish 1. I have not put this in the reviews yet becuse I only have 3 rides on it and one of them being yesterday with the MILO HB lock-out & also yesterday I road the bike hard abd fast on some rocky rooty wet hard pack single track.

    I got this fork trying to save a little money, I wanted all the bennys of having taperd S/T and 15mm axle and having a remote lock-out was a must have. I looked at the marz and all the web pic show that fork with a remote L/O but when I went to buy one I found out that it doesn't come with it and that I would have to send the fork in to have it done,so that drives the cost of that fork back up ($100.00 for the remote & $100.00 to have it put on) to where I would be with the R/S or Fox. I had also been reading about the Tower Pro but I could only find most of my info on the 2011 and that was here on mtbr.

    They said that (in the reviews) the 2011 Tower Pro had week springs and most of the riders where between like 220lbs to 260lbs. they said the fork had a lot of dive while braking. I had read in one of the reviews about the 2012 having stiffer springs,I would like to look that one up again becuse I don't think the springs stiff enough on the 2012 But! I like a stiffer ride anyways. I am 170lbs with gear on.

    The red nob on the right leg has clicks from full open to lock-out I could not feel any differnce any where from full open till I got the nob to 3 O'clock pos than it was two clicks to lock-out I am maxed out on the air psi at 110.

    So yesterday I put on the MILO H/B lock-out and set the clicks 3 in from full open so that is what I have from there to lock-out. so it's open where you set it open but what I like is that it's so easy to take off the cap and turn the ABS where you want it. I'm going to go play with that and I might change to a stiffer spring I don't know about that yet!!! on my ride yesterday with the MILO and riding the bike like a race bike well I am loving this fork I will need more time on it, I know it's a plush fork and it's going to be good in the trail/all mountain area,but for someone like me that wants a stiffer platforum for long races might have to change the springs and they are cheep and every time I have called Manitou I have had to leave message but they call back right-a-way and they talk you thrugh things.

    I would buy this fork again even if I have to change the springs. You can buy a TST 15mm axle 29er fork for $550.00 w/o lock-out it's about 65grams heavier than the R/S ans Fox that will cost you $800.00 to $1,000.00 or more.

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    Rode a Tower Pro 2011, 80mm, QR and straight steerer for a year.

    Now riding a Float 29er 100mm, TA and tapered.

    Although the TA and taper add to stiffness that is noticeable, when comparing how they behave on the trail, I prefer the Tower by a long margin.

    if I could chose them on equal terms - equal technologies (TA, taper), I would go with the Manitou.

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    Thanks for the feedback.....any X-fusion slide owners out here??

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    Another Manitou fan here. Running a Drake Super Air with the 20mm TA on my RockHopper. As a super clyde, it's proven to be a very stout fork.
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    I have been running a manitou tower pro with a 20 mm for a little over 600 miles and really like it.

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    So much Manitou love in this thread.

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    More Tower love here! I have the 11' ST 9mm qr. I have figured the travel to be more in the 130mm range and not near the 140mm claimed travel. I have bottomed it a few times on some 3'-4' drops but I don't do this often enough to increase the compression or add air, as the ride is near perfect on all the other terrain I ride on!

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    The tower is a very good fork. My SS is has one on it and it get's more dirt time than any of my other bikes. Go forth and have no fear.

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    +1 on manitou love.

    I run a properly tuned manitou Doarado 2003.
    plush smooth and controlled.

    I use it for everything from road racing, street, xc, AM and DH. I don't need to change a single dial whatever I ride on as the design is so good.
    Why would I care about 150g of bike weight, I just ate 400g of cookies while reading this?

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    Manitou Tower Pro on two of my bikes. Cannot be happier!

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    I have a Tower Expert on my Salsa. Not quite broken in yet. Like it a lot, coming from rigid. My only comparison is 3 Marzocchis I've owned and a Judy, all old school stuff. The Tower is super plush and I don't even bother with air as the stock spring is firm enough, barely. If I ran air (I've done so once) I'd keep it about 10 psi. I took the brand new fork apart just to check fluid levels and it is super easy to work on. Like one of the others said, the feel of the rebound knob sucks.

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    I'll add to the Manitou love. Running a Minute with the Absolute + damper in it. Very nice ride. Comparable to my Reba Race that I used to run.

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    Been running Manitou Tower Pro 80mm on my Bandersnatch for a year. Solid fork. When I bought it I was over 205lbs so I ordered an Xfirm kit for it when I placed the fork order. Super simple swap and I love the fork.

    So, that brings me to the last week. I have been trying to decide which brand to put on my current SC Tallboy build and was leaning toward FOX since the Tallboy sports a FOX rear. After a week of delibIerations, I just ordered a tapered 2012 Tower Pro 120mm with 15QR instead. I figured the 2012 Tower is only going to be as good a performer as the '11 has been and the taper and 15QR can only add to the stiffness. In the end, I just couldn't justify the expense of the other options.

    Go with the Tower.
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    Hal,I couldn't justify the cost of the other brans also. I have a little more time on my 2012 Tower pro it's 100mm it also has the TST and 15mm QR and I love this fork/bike set-up I have. you're going to love your new bike!

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    I have a Drake Super Air 120mm TA on my Paradox and a Minute 100mm TA on my SS. Both with the new dampers. I've owned these forks for nearly 4 years. They're fantastic forks, work very well, stiff, simple and easy to overhaul. Don't think twice about going Manitou.

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    Appreciate all the input here and very timely as I'm seriously considering pulling the trigger on the new Tower Pro and so far all the reviews I can find have been very positive.

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    I currently run a Manitou Minute Expert on my 26er and I'm very happy with it.

    For my new 29er rig I've been considering Fox Float 32, and RockShox Revelation, but I ended up ordering a Tower Pro tapered QR15 120 mm, as I only find positive reviews about it.

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    solitone,

    Could you let us know how the fork is working out. Is a taped steerer the way to go these days, or will I even know the difference from a straight steerer. Thanks.

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    Hail to Manitou

    Another big Manitou supporter here. Rode a MARS, SKAREB and a MINUTE MRD on my previous 1999 Litespeed Obed (26"). Now I have a Lynskey Ridgeline 29er with a 2010 TOWER w/ 9mm QR. Looking to upgrade to a 2012 TOWER 15mm to stiffen up the front end.

    The only thing that bugs me about the 2010 TOWER is that I get a creak or a click on the rebound movement of the fork, not the compression. I only hear this when the ABS+ is on 3 clicks or higher from lockout. I've taken it apart, checked everything, lubed everything, but to no avail. Other than that, I like the adjust-ability that the ABS gives me (195 lb xc), but if I'm not listening to some tunes on my rides, it bugs the hell out of me.

    I also hear that Manitou's 15mm QR is a great improvement over the other designs. Any comments?
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    Quote Originally Posted by joefi View Post
    solitone,

    Could you let us know how the fork is working out.
    I haven't received it yet. It should arrive on end of June or early July, together with my new frame and some other components.

    As soon as I'll have tried it out, I'll post my impression.

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    Is a taped steerer the way to go these days, or will I even know the difference from a straight steerer. Thanks.
    Can't comment on this, because this fork will be the 1st taperd I own, and the frame will be my 1st 29er.

    From what I've read, a taperd steer is the way to go with 29er's. Especially with a travel like mine (120 mm), the gain in stiffness should be appreciable.

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    Add me to the +1 for some Manitou Tower Pro love....

    Started riding almost 2yrs ago, spend the first six or so months riding my brother RM Element 50 that he outfitted with all Fox Float stuff (think it was float). The bike was very compliant and rode well. I was riding this while I was building up my bike that I now have the Tower on.

    Approximately 3 months after I built my bike, the RST M29 I had developed a bad leak (cracked v-brake boss) and I could not get a hold of anyone at RST so I picked up a 2011 Manitou Tower Pro 100mm QR for $386 to my door. Put it on and started riding it at 205#.

    With the Medium spring that comes with the '11 the ride was good enough but I had to run the PSI at 70-90psi to get a good ride out of it. The platform was not linear at all and I would spike if I went outside that range or complete bottom the fork.

    I made the call to Manitou and within a day I was talking with one of their techs that was about my size and rode trails similar to me and he was running the FIRM spring at about 40psi (which he liked) he said that my LBS could easily get the FIRM Spring for me and install easily and if they had any questions he gave me his number and said he could help them with anything.

    I did that and after about a month of playing with things I finally got the fork dialed in with about 65psi, mid-clicks from lockout and having the rebound at about 15%. I did my first race with the bike about two weeks ago and the fork performed B-E-A-UTIFULLY in the rock, chunk, whops, and single track. The more I ride this fork and the more crap I throw at it the more and more I fall in love with it.

    Just from the CS perspective alone I will be buying Manitou, Hayes, Answer, Sun Ringle products again. Planning on starting a FS 29er build over the winter and she will have a Tower Pro 100mm T/A TS, Hayes Stroker Trail (white), Sun Ringle Black Flag Pro (Gold), and whatever else I can get from them on that XC machine.

    I have ridden Reba, Fox, and Marz, out of all of them I still love the Manitou the most. It takes some fiddling for a while to get it setup but once you are done, damn does that thing just disappear under you and allow you to just ride like you want!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by joefi View Post
    Could you let us know how the fork is working out. Is a taped steerer the way to go these days, or will I even know the difference from a straight steerer. Thanks.
    Yes, a tapered steerer is the way to go, "If you have a frame with a tapered head tube." Why wouldn't you?

    That said, I've got both a 120mm. Minute 29 with 20mm. (2010) and a new 2012 Tower Pro which is also 120mm. and has a QR15. I have ridden them both on the same frame, a Banshee Paradox and I can't realistically tell the difference.

    I'll add to the overwhelming support for Manitou though. I'd happily buy one again. Oh yes, I did.
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    What would be better for a clyde (260#): a Tower Expert or a Tower Pro?? I ride a Minute Expert on my 26er and definitely love it...best fork I have ridden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daves4mtb View Post
    I rode an xfusion Velvet fork on my ventana 650b for over a year. It was inexpensive relative to other forks and performed very well. It is simple to set up, was not flexy, and generally worked very well. No quality issues. They seem to have a reputation for high quality and good customer service. I'd definitely buy another.
    I have no doubt that the Velvet is a good fork. However, it is a 26" fork and this forum is for "29er Components". The only X Fusion 29" fork currently available is the Slide 29 and is only available with 9mm. QR dropouts which I personally would not consider.
    The trouble with having an open mind is that people will insist on trying to put things in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fbabrove View Post
    What would be better for a clyde (260#): a Tower Expert or a Tower Pro?? I ride a Minute Expert on my 26er and definitely love it...best fork I have ridden.
    Either would be fine for you. The Tower Pro is essentially an air sprung fork and therefore is lighter than the Expert which is essentially a coil sprung fork with air pre-load. It is the same as your Minute Expert. Some people prefer the feel of a coil fork. Others prefer the lighter weight of an air fork. if you don't mind the bit of extra weight the Expert is cheaper. It's your choice. At your weight you would probably need to change the spring kit on either fork.
    The trouble with having an open mind is that people will insist on trying to put things in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie View Post
    Either would be fine for you. The Tower Pro is essentially an air sprung fork and therefore is lighter than the Expert which is essentially a coil sprung fork with air pre-load. It is the same as your Minute Expert. Some people prefer the feel of a coil fork. Others prefer the lighter weight of an air fork. if you don't mind the bit of extra weight the Expert is cheaper. It's your choice. At your weight you would probably need to change the spring kit on either fork.
    Ronnie's advice is solid. There is a great thread concerning Clyde's and the Tower Pro. It does require a stiffer spring which unfortunately wasn't available for a little while. You can order them now.

    Personally, I prefer the feel of a coil spring so I've come to love my Tower Expert. It's really personal preference. I'm not super concerned with weight which IMHO is the only downside to the Expert. They definitely weigh more as one would expect. However, every time I ride it, I realize how little I care. I would rather spend a bunch shaving weight on wheels etc.

    YMMV

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    Ronnie and Hsakkire, thanks to both of you for responding and for the input. I do love the feel of the Minute Expert. The nice thing about the Expert is that it isn't extremely heavier than the Pro. I get that every gram counts, and being that this 29er is my first custom build, I am totally watching the grams. I know that about 260 grams is a lot of savings, but at least the Expert isn't a 5 pound, stiff clunker like my old stock Suntour from my 26er. I'll continue my price hunting, and if it is going to be around a $100 dollar difference I will go with the Expert, as that is $100 for other components.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fbabrove View Post
    Ronnie and Hsakkire, thanks to both of you for responding and for the input. I do love the feel of the Minute Expert. The nice thing about the Expert is that it isn't extremely heavier than the Pro. I get that every gram counts, and being that this 29er is my first custom build, I am totally watching the grams. I know that about 260 grams is a lot of savings, but at least the Expert isn't a 5 pound, stiff clunker like my old stock Suntour from my 26er. I'll continue my price hunting, and if it is going to be around a $100 dollar difference I will go with the Expert, as that is $100 for other components.
    Check the shops on ebay... I was able to pick up my 9mm QR 100mm Tower Pro (2011) for $386 to my door on sale. Seems like most are running right around $400 for the QR and around $430 for the T/A. If you are looking at the Expert then you can pretty easily drop $75.

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    Yea I have been all over ebay, waiting for the right deal. Does anyone have an info on the X-Fusion Slide RL, because there is one with a remote for 287 on Amazon. Looks pretty good, especially if the weight is accurate at 1814g. Not sure how it will hold up for a heavy clyde though.

    I did find the Tower Pro on Upgrade Cycle works for 389. I am going to keep searching for an Expert for about $300 or under, but if not I will probably opt for the Pro.

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    The Tower Pro QR15 Tapered in100mm seems to be hard to come by. Everyone is out of stock. I got on Universals "notify when back in stock" list and they sent me an email saying it was then by the next day when I went to order they were out again

    I guess I can see if my LBS can order directly from Hayes

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    Thanks for the update, pamt. I haven't decided between the standard QR and the QR15 yet. I have a tapered headtube but I will most likey end up getting straight steerer and use an adapter on the bottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fbabrove View Post
    Thanks for the update, pamt. I haven't decided between the standard QR and the QR15 yet. I have a tapered headtube but I will most likey end up getting straight steerer and use an adapter on the bottom.
    I think you would be better off waiting to get a tapered fork. The tapered headtube/fork combo really does make a huge difference

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    yeah wait for the tapered if you can. Have your LBS contact Manitou and see if they can get one (normally the will go through QBP) and maybe see if they will pricematch on the internet.

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    That $287 fork is tapered BTW. Or I would have bought it already!

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    Yea it is tapered, and since everyone is telling me to go with tapered, I am considering it. I would buy it right now if I was sure that it is suitable for a heavy rider and that it is comprable to a Tower Expert. Does anyone of the X-Fusion Slide is on par?

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    I just email X-Fusion, asking about the Slide RL 100mm Taper (the one on Amazon for $287), and I got a response within 25 minutes! I asked if the fork will handle my weight for my riding style (rocky/rooty, minimal drops and no jumping) and the response came from John, and he says the fork will handle my weight just fine (as long as I keep the air spring pumped accordingly). I think I am going with this fork.

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    I sent an email yesterday and no response. I was asking questions about damper mods and oil volume and weights. Stuff I want to know before I buy a fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fbabrove View Post
    I just email X-Fusion, asking about the Slide RL 100mm Taper (the one on Amazon for $287), and I got a response within 25 minutes! I asked if the fork will handle my weight for my riding style (rocky/rooty, minimal drops and no jumping) and the response came from John, and he says the fork will handle my weight just fine (as long as I keep the air spring pumped accordingly). I think I am going with this fork.
    What are they going to tell you? " No don't buy our fork." I'm sure it's a nice piece of equipment but it is only available with a 9mm. QR dropout. I personally will never buy one of those again. It's a throwback to road bikes and are not as stiff as a through axle. For next year they have shown their forks with QR15.
    The trouble with having an open mind is that people will insist on trying to put things in it.

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    I'm going to buy a qr fork because the flex has never bothered me and I can't afford a new wheel.

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    X-Fusion Gets my Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by fbabrove View Post
    I just email X-Fusion, asking about the Slide RL 100mm Taper (the one on Amazon for $287), and I got a response within 25 minutes! I asked if the fork will handle my weight for my riding style (rocky/rooty, minimal drops and no jumping) and the response came from John, and he says the fork will handle my weight just fine (as long as I keep the air spring pumped accordingly). I think I am going with this fork.
    I just started riding (~300miles) an X-Fusion Slide w/ remote lockout. It rides quite a bit smoother than my Reba RL. It's just a solid fork. At the price point, I think it is nearly impossible to beat. I'm no suspension expert but, I really like the ride of the Slide 29. FWIW, I weigh 210 and I don't notice any flex. So, have fun with your decision.

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    My Tower Pro arrived yesterday so I'm really pumped to get it installed and ride this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pamt View Post
    My Tower Pro arrived yesterday so I'm really pumped to get it installed and ride this weekend.
    Sweet!! Post some pics of it on the bike when you get it all setup. Took mine on my second race last weekend on a very rocky course... All I had to do was click the ABS+ dial one click for a firmer ride and that platforming changed significantly while going through the rock gardens (climbing and descending). I am still constantly impressed by this fork and have no gripes. Next bike will be FS and will have the 100mm with the OR15 hexlock and tapered steerer. They have definitely won my patronage so the next bike will be outfitted with Answer/Hayes/Manitou/SunRingle stuff!...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Sweet!! Post some pics of it on the bike when you get it all setup. Took mine on my second race last weekend on a very rocky course... All I had to do was click the ABS+ dial one click for a firmer ride and that platforming changed significantly while going through the rock gardens (climbing and descending). I am still constantly impressed by this fork and have no gripes. Next bike will be FS and will have the 100mm with the OR15 hexlock and tapered steerer. They have definitely won my patronage so the next bike will be outfitted with Answer/Hayes/Manitou/SunRingle stuff!...
    Will do and I'm already running Sun Ringle Charger wheels on the bike so now all I need to do is add a set of Hayes brakes and I'll be totally "Hazed"

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    Don't forget to throw some Answer bars in there as well!

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    manitou dorado here, I have ridden fox, marzocchi, cannondale lefty, rock shock... manitou knows there stuff, enuff said...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pamt View Post
    I think you would be better off waiting to get a tapered fork. The tapered headtube/fork combo really does make a huge difference
    Hay I have not been on here in a while.. But I'll 2nd that above having the 15mm and tapered headtube and steer tube does make a huge difference.

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