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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Upside-down riserhandlebars=Dropperbars. Short persons on 36ers, 29ers and 32ers

    Let's put an end to the high cockpit issue.








    I don't give a rat's ass what it looks like. The goal is to place a handlebar as low as one wishes- what's wrong with that? All those whiners go to the woman fashion forum if you do not like this idea.

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    [...]Even so, Batty's position requires a few tweaks: the seatpost is flipped around to provide less setback and there's a -25 Bontrager Race Lite (instead of the usual RXL or RXXXL model) stem up front, sitting right atop the headset compression ring, with the upper cover removed to cut out a few millimeters of stack height.[...]




    Solution to too much inverted stems and lack of upper cap. Stem -17 for a 29er and +6 for a 26er. Both have 100 forks. Dropper bar for the 29er. Is Trek stupid? It would offer a much better fit.
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    Whatever works, but unnecessary for my rig. However, psychologically, I would want some kind of pad on the stem. Somehow it just looks more dangerous with an inverted riser bar. Like "Here - I've prepared a nice spot for you on which to smash your face".

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    It's a good thing you don't care what it looks like because it looks like dung.

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    are you trying to pass this off as a new innovation?

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    they look like they're sad....
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    my back hurts just looking at that.

    also, might want to get a front fender.
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    {QUOTE} I don't give a rat's ass what it looks like. The goal is to place a handlebar as low as one wishes- what's wrong with that? All those whiners go to the woman fashion forum if you do not like this idea


    29er zealot, now x-post this in the 650b forum.

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    You know what? If you are short enough to have difficulties fitting a 29er it is OK to ride a 26er or a 650ber. 26er have been around for a long time and are really well sorted out. They ride really nicely and there is a huge selection of lightweight wheels and tires available, plus you can use flat bars and a standard rise stem. 650b-ers give you a slightly larger wheel so you get some of the roll over benefits but without the extra standover and high front end of the 29er. They fit some standard 26er forks so your headtube stem interface shouldn't be wonky like these.

    Seriously 29ers are not the solution for everyone, and even though they are in vogue now doesn't mean they are neither revolutionary nor evolutionary, especially for shorter riders. Buy something that works for you not something that works against you.
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    does this set-up require extra dental insurance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher View Post
    You know what? If you are short enough to have difficulties fitting a 29er it is OK to ride a 26er or a 650ber.
    Its not just a short thing. I've seen a few average height and tall people doing this because they're obsessed with the idea of having their bars the same height as their 26". Guess its fear that they can't deal with a slightly higher center of gravity. Which, if thats the case, would be an even better reason to go back to 26"

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    Quote Originally Posted by 92gli View Post
    Its not just a short thing. I've seen a few average height and tall people doing this because they're obsessed with the idea of having their bars the same height as their 26". Guess its fear that they can't deal with a slightly higher center of gravity. Which, if thats the case, would be an even better reason to go back to 26"
    i would think your cog would have more to do with bb height vs bar height.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-kul View Post
    i would think your cog would have more to do with bb height vs bar height.
    In reality yes, but I was thinking more of the riders perception. Should have stated that better.

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    They really do look sad...

    Might not be the best choice for the chronically depressed among us. Glad to know I wasn't the only one who thought that when first seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 92gli View Post
    In reality yes, but I was thinking more of the riders perception. Should have stated that better.
    thats what i was thinking, just a little confused.

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    In the first photo the seat appears to be about 6 inches higher than the bars. Is this so you always feel like you're going downhill??
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    I would be concerned about the ergonomics of the upsidedown riser bars . Thats gotta wreak havoc on your wrists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolamonster View Post
    I would be concerned about the ergonomics of the upsidedown riser bars . Thats gotta wreak havoc on your wrists.
    Depends on the back sweep, the angle of the bar, relative saddle height, etc but a bit of down sweep like that can feel very comfy

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolamonster View Post
    I would be concerned about the ergonomics of the upsidedown riser bars . Thats gotta wreak havoc on your wrists.
    You just rotate the bar until it feels right. Does not matter whether it has rise, drop or is flat.
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    When we gaze at road handle bars it is ok and not sad or something on monstercross but when we see a mtb riser handlebar with flipped stem it is definitely not ok? I guess we all need to get used to it the way we did to 29ers overall. In extremities like a 5'2" dudette wanting a Lunchbox or Lenz PBJ we would need some king of cusion shield on the headset stack, however when the rider likes the 29er wheels and prefers them over 26ers then I see nothing against customizing the position. Why 29ers have to take after 26ers? They are different bikes apart from CS, wheel base etc. If it works on road bikes then why not on 29ers?

    I agree that handlebar designed to be used up may not always be exellent however if inverted risers were designed then it would be comfortable for the wrists. I guess Ninerbikes should include such handlears for extra small riders under 160cm as a sidenote not the one below. It is just an axample monstercross bars when headset is higher than grips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield View Post
    When we gaze at road handle bars it is ok and not sad or something on monstercross but when we see a mtb riser handlebar with flipped stem it is definitely not ok? I guess we all need to get used to it the way we did to 29ers overall. In extremities like a 5'2" dudette wanting a Lunchbox or Lenz PBJ we would need some king of cusion shield on the headset stack, however when the rider likes the 29er wheels and prefers them over 26ers then I see nothing against customizing the position. Why 29ers have to take after 26ers? They are different bikes apart from CS, wheel base etc. If it works on road bikes then why not on 29ers?

    I agree that handlebar designed to be used up may not always be exellent however if inverted risers were designed then it would be comfortable for the wrists. I guess Ninerbikes should include such handlears for extra small riders under 160cm as a sidenote not the one below. It is just an axample monstercross bars when headset is higher than grips.
    As you have shown in your pictures there is no need to design inverted risers bars because you just take a standard riser, mount it upside down, and use it is such. The only reason to design an upside down riser would be so that the brand sticker/model name was facing up instead of inverted which would be madness for any manufacturer to pursue strictly for the purpose of an upside down handlebar. Perhaps in the future if you nag some manufacturers enough they might put on double stickers like they have on stems so you can chose the mounting orientation that best suits your use.

    However I would think that a custom stem with substantial drop would be the best solution as you could then use a standard flat bar and reap the benefits of their weight savings.
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    My question is why do some of the bikes have spacers under the stem, only to flip the stem and/or bar? Like the first pic - take out the spacers and you could run a normal stem, maybe in the down position, and it wouldn't look so odd.
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    The bikes present some "new" or innovative solution, though they are larges. This solution must be applied to S and XS 29ers to get the front bars lower like on 26ers. Another disadvantage to riding a 28er would be tackled. Willow Koerber had to use some custom headset to get the flat bar lower. She could have used inverted risers with inverted stems and keep the ordinary headset and not shorteing the fork stroke down to 80-90mm like he had on superfly. Now let's think about 5'2" rider wanting a wfo9. If a 90mm fork is a borderline then a 140mm is 50mm above and we need to counter that additional 50mm by -35 stem and - 25mm riser.

    I reckon that it is great for small riders, it is better to have the front end this way rather than ride a 26er just in order to have typical 26er setup and ditch a 29er becuase of that.

    This solution is excellent for 36ers for almost everybody under 6' for the lowerness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher View Post
    The only reason to design an upside down riser would be so that the brand sticker/model name was facing up instead of inverted which would be madness for any manufacturer to pursue strictly for the purpose of an upside down handlebar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwiffle View Post
    My question is why do some of the bikes have spacers under the stem, only to flip the stem and/or bar? Like the first pic - take out the spacers and you could run a normal stem, maybe in the down position, and it wouldn't look so odd.
    Some people, myself included, prefer the look of an inverted stem. Mine doesn't have spacers beneath it however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgsatl View Post
    my back hurts just looking at that.
    SLAM THAT STEM

    Anyways, as a road biker that got turned onto mountain bikes, I can tell you that the low bars is very comfortable if done correctly. It allows more equal distribution of body weight onto your three contact points (ass, hands, feet). 100 miles with about 3 inches of saddle to bar drop is no problem for me. It's about rotating your hips, not bending at the waist. Your back should be relatively straight the whole time. Lets you get your center of gravity lower, lets you engage your glutes and hamstrings more fully, and makes you more aerodynamic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield View Post
    The bikes present some "new" or innovative solution, though they are larges.
    I reckon that it is great for small riders, it is better to have the front end this way rather than ride a 26er just in order to have typical 26er setup and ditch a 29er because of that.

    This solution is excellent for 36ers (and 56ers ) for almost everybody under 6' for the lowerness.
    Lowerness?

    These bikes do look less sad, though.


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    Pro Bike: Emily Batty's Trek Superfly Elite - BikeRadar


    Even so, Batty's position requires a few tweaks: the seatpost is flipped around to provide less setback and there's a -25 Bontrager Race Lite (instead of the usual RXL or RXXXL model) stem up front, sitting right atop the headset compression ring, with the upper cover removed to cut out a few millimeters of stack height.

    Solution to too much inverted stems and lack of upper cap. Stem -17 and dropper bars on a 100 fork. Is Trek stupid? It would offer a much better fit.


    Also updated the first post with this information.

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    between you and the niner fork thread the 29er forum has gone to hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield View Post
    Pro Bike: Emily Batty's Trek Superfly Elite - BikeRadar


    Even so, Batty's position requires a few tweaks: the seatpost is flipped around to provide less setback and there's a -25 Bontrager Race Lite (instead of the usual RXL or RXXXL model) stem up front, sitting right atop the headset compression ring, with the upper cover removed to cut out a few millimeters of stack height.

    Solution to too much inverted stems and lack of upper cap. Stem -17 and dropper bars on a 100 fork. Is Trek stupid? It would offer a much better fit.


    Also updated the first post with this information.
    The reason for everything you mentioned here is weight. An inverted riser with a less inverted stem would weigh more than an uber lightweight bar and inverted road stem. Racers are bad as examples of anything as they will do most anything to shed weight. The more weight shed the easier it is to put things like fork lockouts back on. Racers: not your everyday old mountain bikers and what goes for them really doesn't go for everyone else.
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    So she needs either a -40 stem or a dropper bar with RXXXL model (which is 6 or 7 degress) to counter the upper cup upon installing.
    I'd like to see those done. I guess it would place more short persons on 29ers and make S size a proper fit without compromises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolamonster View Post
    I would be concerned about the ergonomics of the upsidedown riser bars . Thats gotta wreak havoc on your wrists.
    This was my first thought.... Flipping a riser STEM ( and running a FLAT bar ) makes sence but the actual geometry of a riser bar would be a problem as it would now DROP to the ens rather than rise

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    That's why we need dedicated dropper bars not just flipped upside down riser bars. It is like with frames, the first one were elongated 26er frames to fit 29" wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scyule View Post
    This was my first thought.... Flipping a riser STEM ( and running a FLAT bar ) makes sence but the actual geometry of a riser bar would be a problem as it would now DROP to the ens rather than rise
    Different doesn't mean it's a problem. It still depends on personal preference but like myself and others have said: that bar angle can feel comfy and work well too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevob View Post
    Madness?
    alright not madness but I highly doubt we will see an easton bar with the logo upside down any time in the near future. I understand the ragley option, many people run their altbars upside down to get lower, although why they just didn't print a double logo like the Bend 2 bar from salsa is beyond me, flippable without the need for 2 logo-ed options.. Those Brits are crazy I guess.
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    Wow, sure looks... funnily unfamiliar ! It's a way to solve the problem though.

    If I was stuck with this problem I'd just ask a custom frame builder to make me a custom drop stem (-50mm -60mm, whatever the f you want) that I'd use with a flat bar. Now super easy for every framebuilder to build custom stems as Paragon now builds & sells all the machined parts ready to be welded together in Steel and Ti for the weight weiners !!!

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    D.C., are you "special needs"?

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    Attention a 5 feet short woman from Specialized is over the moon with her 29er and is a perfect candidate for an upside fown risers- dropper bars and inverted stems if she wanted to have a 140mm FS 29er. No way to go lower without these
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    The bars are frowning for a reason : (

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    Quote Originally Posted by daves4mtb View Post
    I want to see Copperfield post a pic of a 36er with inverted ape hanger bars for really short people



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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield View Post
    That looks fitted for a rider 6 feet tall. stack:810mm reach:410mm saddle2pedal:955mm
    Not particularly for "really short people"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield View Post
    When we gaze at road handle bars it is ok and not sad or something on monstercross but when we see a mtb riser handlebar with flipped stem it is definitely not ok? I guess we all need to get used to it the way we did to 29ers overall. In extremities like a 5'2" dudette wanting a Lunchbox or Lenz PBJ we would need some king of cusion shield on the headset stack, however when the rider likes the 29er wheels and prefers them over 26ers then I see nothing against customizing the position. Why 29ers have to take after 26ers? They are different bikes apart from CS, wheel base etc. If it works on road bikes then why not on 29ers?

    I agree that handlebar designed to be used up may not always be exellent however if inverted risers were designed then it would be comfortable for the wrists. I guess Ninerbikes should include such handlears for extra small riders under 160cm as a sidenote not the one below. It is just an axample monstercross bars when headset is higher than grips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigsj View Post
    That looks fitted for a rider 6 feet tall. stack:810mm reach:410mm saddle2pedal:955mm
    Not particularly for "really short people"
    Then add a dropper bars like -50mm and headset stack pad- cushion- a chin holder? A short person like 5'4" may dig it.

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    Hey shorties out there, flip the handlebar and enjoy the 29er as though you were 6'7".













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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield View Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varaxis View Post
    Where could someone possibly ride a rigid ss that would necessitate dual front brakes? I've ridden mine in some pretty crazy places, but I'm sure the one on mine would be quite sufficient for the same place that person rides theirs.

    And are those road pedals on it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwiffle View Post
    Where could someone possibly ride a rigid ss that would necessitate dual front brakes? I've ridden mine in some pretty crazy places, but I'm sure the one on mine would be quite sufficient for the same place that person rides theirs.

    And are those road pedals on it?
    I took a good ~5 minute look at it. Doesn't seem to have road pedals and doesn't seem to be a rigid. Looks like old mtb cage pedals that could accept clips.

    - Dual disc brakes up front
    - Wide hub spacing up front
    - Thru-axle bolt up front?
    - Headtube that looks awfully small to fit a shock inside, which the rubber accordion boot seems to indicate
    - Hard to tell if the fork is raked out any
    - Adjustable stem with small clamp diameter on the bar?
    - Something next to the cyclometer on the bar
    - Thudbuster style suspension seatpost?
    - Pinch bolt on the frame to secure the seatpost? Def no room for a binder clamp.
    - Square taper BB and cranks in EBB?
    - No seat tube reinforcement for the BB? If it's steel with a DT that large, I guess it'll be alright.
    - Slack seat angle
    - Wider than normal rear hub spacing?
    - Bet it has quite a bit of toe overlap too

    Not sure what the reason is behind the front disc brakes. Looks like it's to split the braking forces and the stress on the fork and hub. The calipers are set opposing each other, so it clamps on the rotor so its resisting foward-upward rotation on the left side and resisting forward-downward rotation on the right side. The bike's probably pretty heavy too, so it would be better to have two than 1 with big rotor, considering its build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varaxis View Post
    I took a good ~5 minute look at it. Doesn't seem to have road pedals and doesn't seem to be a rigid. Looks like old mtb cage pedals that could accept clips.

    - Dual disc brakes up front
    - Wide hub spacing up front
    - Thru-axle bolt up front?
    - Headtube that looks awfully small to fit a shock inside, which the rubber accordion boot seems to indicate
    - Hard to tell if the fork is raked out any
    - Adjustable stem with small clamp diameter on the bar?
    - Something next to the cyclometer on the bar
    - Thudbuster style suspension seatpost?
    - Pinch bolt on the frame to secure the seatpost? Def no room for a binder clamp.
    - Square taper BB and cranks in EBB?
    - No seat tube reinforcement for the BB? If it's steel with a DT that large, I guess it'll be alright.
    - Slack seat angle
    - Wider than normal rear hub spacing?
    - Bet it has quite a bit of toe overlap too

    Not sure what the reason is behind the front disc brakes. Looks like it's to split the braking forces and the stress on the fork and hub. The calipers are set opposing each other, so it clamps on the rotor so its resisting foward-upward rotation on the left side and resisting forward-downward rotation on the right side. The bike's probably pretty heavy too, so it would be better to have two than 1 with big rotor, considering its build.
    Whoops, missed the Headshock-style front suspension.

    Also noticed that it has a double up front (chain is on the smaller ring). Stop to manually shift and adjust rear wheel, I guess. May have a dingle out back, too.

    Pedals look like they offer no grip if they're not a clipless of some sort.

    Still think the dual discs are overkill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwiffle View Post
    Whoops, missed the Headshock-style front suspension.

    Also noticed that it has a double up front (chain is on the smaller ring). Stop to manually shift and adjust rear wheel, I guess. May have a dingle out back, too.

    Pedals look like they offer no grip if they're not a clipless of some sort.

    Still think the dual discs are overkill.
    I rode with bryan yesterday for awhile. The pedals are time Attack platforms. The front hub is something in the range of 200mm or so. The Dual brakes are because the wheels weigh something in the range of 12lbs each. That is a lot of rotating mass to slow down and the duals prevent torsion in the fork during braking. He rides to all the trails because the bike doesn't fit on bike racks ergo the dingle setup.

    Finally he rides all the trails in Tucson and AZ in general rigid and Single on that bike (which a lot of us do) and those include very technical descents with serious rock drops, boulder fields and fun. I had a hard time keeping up with him on my conventional 29er SS and it was through an easy very twisty turny singletrack in the desert. He is faster than most of us on a bike whose wheels alone weigh and much as our bike do alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher View Post
    I rode with bryan yesterday for awhile. The pedals are time Attack platforms. The front hub is something in the range of 200mm or so. The Dual brakes are because the wheels weigh something in the range of 12lbs each. That is a lot of rotating mass to slow down and the duals prevent torsion in the fork during braking. He rides to all the trails because the bike doesn't fit on bike racks ergo the dingle setup.

    Finally he rides all the trails in Tucson and AZ in general rigid and Single on that bike (which a lot of us do) and those include very technical descents with serious rock drops, boulder fields and fun. I had a hard time keeping up with him on my conventional 29er SS and it was through an easy very twisty turny singletrack in the desert. He is faster than most of us on a bike whose wheels alone weigh and much as our bike do alone.
    Context is everything. This thread was about small 29ers with flipped bars and stems. Only after you mentioned the weight of the wheels did I realize I was not looking at a small 29er.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwiffle View Post
    Context is everything. This thread was about small 29ers with flipped bars and stems. Only after you mentioned the weight of the wheels did I realize I was not looking at a small 29er.
    Even I'm unsure if it's a 36er or a 32er. I'm thinking 32er. It'd be my first time looking at one. He doesn't seem to be a short rider, but maybe short considering the wheel size.

    BTW, good eye on that dinglespeed setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varaxis View Post
    Even I'm unsure if it's a 36er or a 32er. I'm thinking 32er. It'd be my first time looking at one. He doesn't seem to be a short rider, but maybe short considering the wheel size.

    BTW, good eye on that dinglespeed setup.
    I have to say that it is a testament to how well designed the bike is that is could be mistaken for a small 29er. It is definitely a 36er. He is currently running the coker tires with the word coker as the grip (Coker Non Skid 36 x 2 2/8 Tire).

    He is also reasonably tall. I bet he is the 6'4 range but he looks normal next to the bike.

    I specifically asked him about the bar and he built it himself for this bike. It is attached to a syntace adjustable stem I think with it rotated as full down as it will go.
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    The handlebar was pretty high off the ground so getting an XC , pedaling position for my 58″ was a challenge.

    I guess if someone shorter than 5'8" would like to ride a Tallboy LT then he/she would have to use flat bar or dropper bars- inverted risers.
    If SC made an S size then a 5'2" person would definitely find it inevitable to mount a dropper bars.
    How come that such a short person would eagerly use "ram's horns" on road bike and is reluctant to use dropper bars even if it makes sense?
    Lack of dropper bars (and longer offset forks) really precludes shorties from buying a 29ers while they do fine on 700c- 622mm rims on touring bikes with even tyres as wide as 47mm and road bikes. I guess the stem mount and top cap are still far from the rider's chin to pose a real danger when OTBing.

    Handle bar manufacturers are you hearing? Easton? We wanna get carbon dropper bars- just turn up the ends on riser bars a bit making it level with the ground. That's it and S frames can have 140mm and more on 29ers. Otherwise it is not possible to make a frame with 40mm head tube.

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    I hate to encourage you further, but all of the setups show in prior posts (particularly the 36"er) look completely ridiculous. Also manufacturers are already making "dropper bars" its just the decals are the wrong way

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    DC thats awesome, I would love a 36er.

    For everyone else. Did they invent the riser bar for those that didn't fit there 26er?
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    5'4" on 140mm 29er with grips much too high. Another one in neccessity of negative riser handle bars?
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    Why no negative riser bars in existence? He needs -50mm upside-down handle bars. What is wrong with manufacturers? Niner bikes ought to promote this sort of device all the time. How on earth anyone under 170cm may get the handle bars at the proper height with 140mm travel fork?
    Minus 70 degrees stem or what?

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    Nifty new thought-out, twisty, topsy-turvy handlebars are used on 36ers.
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    Introduce these bars into S and XS 29ers and viola you have opened the possibility to make S 29ers with 140mm and more forks for even 160cms riders, haven't you?
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    climbing some steep hills my chest is almost hitting the stem. i have a 5 degree rise 80mm stem and 20mm rise bars. with a flipped setup my chest would hit and i wouldnt be able to get the proper position. you cannot compare climbing position on road vs. mt bikes.

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    It is pretty hard to compare bike setups between individual persons too.

    With my proportions (5'9" - 5'10", shortish legs, haven't measured arms) I can barely get my grips slightly below seat level with a fairly normal setup on a 26" bike. I'm not quite sure if an inverted stem and straight bar would be enough on a 29er.

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    We need something like these, but a bit modified!
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    Couldn't help but notice he's in the granny gear for what looks like a very slight upslope.

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    New - 10mm negative riser bar or positive dropper bar or positive sinker.





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    I've been keeping my eye on those. ^

    740mm is what I have my current riser bars on my main bike cut down to, from 800mm. My current main bike, a SB-95, has the highest bar height out of all my bikes, including my 7" travel 26" bike. Was the only "longer travel" 29er that I liked, due to the short 3.7" HT and inset/zerostack headset allowing me to get the front end fit well enough. I like the 740mm width, but wish the bars didn't have a rise or upsweep. I have it rotated back, so it feels better, but that Neg10 and that stem looks like the better solution.

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    Looks like a Cafe racer

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    Also Variaxis you might see what the guy form #59 post is wielding on his 36er. Strange upside down riser, which isn't facing down in that position.

    Generally in order to open the doors to longer travel 29ers for shorter riders one needs not only -10mm but -30. -40mm dropper bars.
    The only realy boundary becomes an issue when the steerer to cap hits riders' chests and that will be achieved with 5'2" and 203mm dual crown fork, thus we've got plenty room to play with.

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    Anyone have a picture of a Niner Carbon bar flipped upside down? Does it look goofy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwiffle View Post
    My question is why do some of the bikes have spacers under the stem, only to flip the stem and/or bar? Like the first pic - take out the spacers and you could run a normal stem, maybe in the down position, and it wouldn't look so odd.
    The spacer between the stem and the headset is to avoid friction between the two, mechanic at the LBS said you should always have at least a shim sized spacer in there to stop the two seizing up in the case of a crash.

    Aesthetically I don't see anything wrong with the inverted stem.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher View Post
    As you have shown in your pictures there is no need to design inverted risers bars because you just take a standard riser, mount it upside down, and use it is such. The only reason to design an upside down riser would be so that the brand sticker/model name was facing up instead of inverted which would be madness for any manufacturer to pursue strictly for the purpose of an upside down handlebar. Perhaps in the future if you nag some manufacturers enough they might put on double stickers like they have on stems so you can chose the mounting orientation that best suits your use.

    However I would think that a custom stem with substantial drop would be the best solution as you could then use a standard flat bar and reap the benefits of their weight savings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher View Post
    haha eat my words!
    No need to, it's not really a 'dropper' bar. It's not different than Answer's 20/20 bar, except for the sweep.

    "The new h-bar from Niner continues to show they have a flair for and an expertise in carbon. The Low Top bar has a 25mm drop (or rise) as it is designed to allow a rider a lower h-bar position."

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    Are there any newly bred upside-down risers bars from other manufacturers? Why became it so much fallowed?
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