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    shimano pedals xt (780) vs xtr (980) vs Egg Beaters! Vs

    Was going to splurge on some new XTR pedals, they look awesome, but read reviews on mtbr, very MIXED!

    Very little on the XT's...

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    Thinking about those Egg beaters now...good deal available on the TiTi (top of the line)
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    or do like i did
    get xpedo
    lighter than xtr, cheaper than xt
    win win

    love mine

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    never heard. Website? xtr are $145

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    yeah i never heard of them either
    did some poking around, and they have favorable reviews
    i didn't think a pedal could make much difference, but i definitely noticed a smoother pedal stroke vs. the shimano 520 i had before

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan GSR View Post
    i didn't think a pedal could make much difference, but i definitely noticed a smoother pedal stroke vs. the shimano 520 i had before
    I'm certifiably a clyde (~270lbs) and find Shimano 520s very flexy to pedal on. XT pedals come with a much stiffer axle and pedal a lot better because of it.

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    Thanks GT, I'm 100lbs less then you, so don't think I have to worry about the weight issue. I'm now looking into eggbeaters. Wanted to stay with same cleat, but I hear so many postive things about the CB's. I've got the $$$ so why not!??!

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    Double check them...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan GSR View Post
    or do like i did
    get xpedo
    lighter than xtr, cheaper than xt
    win win

    love mine
    ... but many XPedo pedals have a weight limit. Also, I've had several Wellgo pedals (same company) over the years fail on me just because the durlin bushing inside wears out. It took a lot of packing new grease in them to keep them turning quietly.

    Shimano uses cup and cone real ball bearings inside all of their pedals. Set, forget, spins forever. They're even user serviceable.

    Plus, the cleat mechanism is way smoother.

    Same goes for Eggbeaters. I know riders who wear out Eggbeaters in less than a year. One friend of mine bought several pair just so he has a set he can send back for service, like hot spares. He said Eggbeaters are the best pedals you will ever rent.

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    Seems like what I keep hearing Dan...BUT, there are so many poor reviews on the XTR's 980s! The ole, SetNForget seems to be forgotten!

    I have also noticed the XT's are available for 2013, but NOT the XTRs, maybe something in the works! I can live w a little nuisance of rebuild, just not downtime to BROKEN crap!

    Nobody has mentioned anything about the XTs hardly anywhere on the forums.

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    Personally, I run 540's with a Ti Spindle upgrade. Considerably less money than XTR's, more durable (so far), and only 3 grams heavier than my XTR 970's

    I prefer the SPD interface over anything else I've tried.

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    Did you prefer 970 over 540??? Many reviewers hated the upgrade from 970 to 980. Those eggbeaters look wild!

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    Time ATAC. End of discussion, IMO

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    I have a pair of XT Trail pedals. They're too new to really give any feedback other than they work nicely so far. A bit stronger of a click and less floaty than CB or Times. Previously I've had several pairs of Time ATAC's and CB Candies and Acids.

    Crank Brothers is hands down the worst junk that you can put on your bike. They have flashy anodizing and their stuff looks nice when new, but everything they make is garbage.

    If you want the feel of Crank Brothers, then do yourself a favor and pick up a pair of Times.

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    ????? Please explain 'pick up a pair of TIME'?

    Also, XT mountain, any feedback??? I was considering going that route...really want something very nice, but XTRs are getting bad reviews. Any input on Xpedos? Also, getting really good feedback on eggbeaters, got any experience with them?

    Explain "floaty"?

    Thanks

    *love the input at mtbr, thanks guys! Always very helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by everything motorcycl View Post
    Did you prefer 970 over 540??? Many reviewers hated the upgrade from 970 to 980. Those eggbeaters look wild!
    I prefer the 540's, the entry and exit is smoother IMO. The 970's are very nice though, mine have stood up to some abuse.

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    funny, I have them on there now, I do like em, but figured I'd try something fancier shmancier. I got the $$$ for em.

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    That makes the decision even easier in my book. Drop $50 for the Ti Spindles. Spending good money on the XTR to save a few grams is not worth it IMO, especially with the current mixed reviews.

    Now if you are interested in trying something other than an SPD, then the extra money might be worth it to you.

    If you do do the spindle swap, make sure you put the right spindle with the right pedal. You do not want to mix them up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by everything motorcycl View Post
    ????? Please explain 'pick up a pair of TIME'?

    Also, XT mountain, any feedback??? I was considering going that route...really want something very nice, but XTRs are getting bad reviews. Any input on Xpedos? Also, getting really good feedback on eggbeaters, got any experience with them?

    Explain "floaty"?

    Thanks

    *love the input at mtbr, thanks guys! Always very helpful.
    Time ATAC's are the pedal that Crank Brother's ripped off when they got into the pedal making business. The clipped in feeling is the same, but CB ruined the easy entry design by marketing a 4-sided pedal entry as a good feature. In reality, the clips are always at a different angle to the pedal body (ie, the smarties, candies, acids, mallets) so you have to kick the clips around the pedal body to get the cleat engaged. In addition to the 4-sided non-feature, they bend, they break, and they wear out at an alarming rate. It sounds worse than it is, but if you come from the Time pedals, you'll soon realize how inferior the CB's are. If you've never owned a pair of Time's and preach about how great CB's are, well then you don't miss what you've never had.

    Floaty just means that you can twist your heel around a bit. The Shimano pedals feel a bit more locked into place, but they have adjustable tension, and I haven't used the new Shimano pedals enough to really say how they will do after a few months of riding.

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    I have 10 years on eggbeaters and recently a year on Shimano XTR 980's and 540's. For ugly mud if you are getting off and running then getting back on your bike (think cyclocross racing) eggbeaters rule. For everything else the Shimano's are much better. I like the feel of the XTR's the best, it actually feels like I'm putting more power into the bike because the connection is so solid, something the eggbeaters lacked. 540's are the bargain of the century, almost as good as XTR's at a fraction of the cost.
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    Heh... I always pick up Shimano M959s (XTR grade before the branded them 'XTR') and the model right after them at swap meets. I always seem to find them at around $20. I'm hoarding them.

    I've been doing that for the last three or four years or so, and never had one fail on me.

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    I raced the current XT pedals all season. While it is only one season, I raced in plenty of mud and dust along with hitting plenty of things with the pedals when I thought I would clear and I did not. I really do not notice the pedals which is a very good thing. They do their job to the point I do not know they are there.

    I put them on, adjusted the tension and then raced hard. No complaints, they just do there job.

    Not the most helpful but no complaints what so ever.

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    xtr vs xt

    Shimano's website BLOWS. Doesn't give specs well, can't compart xt vs xtr...what is the difference?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ????? View Post
    Floaty just means that you can twist your heel around a bit. The Shimano pedals feel a bit more locked into place, but they have adjustable tension, and I haven't used the new Shimano pedals enough to really say how they will do after a few months of riding.
    And if you want the "floaty-est", then check out Speedplay Frogs.

    A very different pedal than the SPD or Time/Eggbeaters. No spring force, free float, good clearing ability and some of the lightest pedals out there. If you're under 180, you can get Ti spindles, even.

    I've been using them since 1998 and, after getting used to the different feel (about a month of riding), wouldn't ride anything else!

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    I'm a noob so take my advice with a grain of dirt.



    I ride the 530's because every now and then I'm not clipped in and want some sort of platform.

    The 540's sure look affordable now. Eggbeaters seem to get high marks of approval from mudmen, but I live in California and the only time we deal with mud is in a mudslide and then we always clip out and try to ride the bikes down by standing on top of them.



    Are the XTR's 3.6 times better than the 540's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by everything motorcycl View Post
    Shimano's website BLOWS. Doesn't give specs well, can't compart xt vs xtr...what is the difference?!?
    I think they failed to provide more details because it would be way too similar to the xt's. The XTR is more for the bling factor and a very minimal weight savings...not even worth mentioning. I'm not gonna lie...if money was no option I'd probably get either the XT or XTR for cosmetic purposes only. Im sure the entry and release is skightly improved...but only someone whose ridden all the shimano pedals for years would notice a difference. The 540 is hands down the best value in spd pedals. Basically the same as XT and XTR for a fraction of the price. I've beaten mine up for 3 years and they still run perfect. I demoed the trail versions with the platform but made no difference at all. Probably a good option for someone using a flexy shoe such as the 5.10 or skate shoe with cleats mount. If you have a very stiff soled shoes...I'd go with the non platform version.

    I just converted to the egg beaters strictly for the weight savings. I got the egg beater 3 along with the ti spindles. I saved a 1/4 pound in weight for less then XTR. Egg beaters will most benefit anyone who rides in muddy, snow conditions...along with people who need more float. Shimano have very little float. Anyone who does not like extra float will say it feels like your on ice. Completely personal preference. knee problems often require more float.

    The shimano minimal float has been causing me knee pains for years...but the design/entry and release is so darn awesome that ive delt with the pain. I'm gonna give the egg beaters a try for a season to see if I like them. So far so good....but if I have any issues I'll most definitely go back to the tried and proven shimanos. But please don't overlook the 540's! I wouldn't even waste your time on the 520, XT, or XTR until you get the 540s and put in some saddle time. They are truly a gem in the rough, don't let price discourage you. 540s plus ti spindle in theory should be as light as XTR...and much less money.

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    I have had CB Candy SL's, my first clipless pedal. I loved them, rode for a year, but they got sloppy and a little stiff. The cleats were starting to wear so thats probably where the slop came in.

    Next I got the re-designed Look Quartz. I was hoping they would be similar to the Candy's at half cost. Rode on them twice, did not like them. They are adjusted fine with the shims, but when I power up tough technical descents, (I am singlespeed), one side seems un-clip every now and then which gets old. Plus they just don't feel that tight compared to the candy's.

    So **** em, I am joining the Shimano pedal wagon and hope to be here for the rest of my MTB journey. I am sick of buying pedals so I purchases the Shimano XT PD-M785, I hope these last for years and years and years. The pedal float of the other brands is overrated when you really need to put the power down and crank up a real climb.

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    I've been very happy w my shimano 520s on their now. My goal, remove and put on my new road/hybrid bike...upgrade for my fav bike (mtb) w some xtr's, but those reviews blow on this forum. Going to price some XT's. If it ain't broke...

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    Quote Originally Posted by everything motorcycl View Post
    Was going to splurge on some new XTR pedals, they look awesome, but read reviews on mtbr, very MIXED!

    Very little on the XT's...

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    Thinking about those Egg beaters now...good deal available on the TiTi (top of the line)
    Are you looking in the "reviews" section of MTBR or in the forums?

    The review section is generally to be ignored- the vast bulk of the reviews seem to be written by excitable halfwits or people who have never owned more than a single product and so have no basis for comparison. Opinions via the forum section tend to be a little more reliable.

    And if you read forum posts on pedals, you'd probably come to the opposite conclusion regarding Crankbros and Shimano pedals. The former has really variable QC (some pedals just explode for no reason, whilst others last for years) and can eject the rider on rock strikes, and the Shimanos tend to last forever.

    And then there is the Time camp- a bit heavier, but super reliable with good float and mud shedding.

    I've owned pedals by all three brands. I'd take Shimano or Time any day. I will never buy a Crank Bros product that's any more vital than a multitool (their multitools are surprisingly good).

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    When I see a nice bike out on the trail the last thing I look at is the pedals (if at all) To me bling on pedals is non-existent after the first ride. Either they work for you or they don't. It's not like you are riding a Cologno with a vintage Campagnolo "Gruppo. I say suck up the 5 grams and pocket the extra $100.

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    Yeah, looked at the reviews HERE...on mtbr...just seemed like 4 or 5 guys w very similar opinion...570 was better then their new 580s, 580s seemed to be giving them failure. But, really like my 520's so thinking I'm back to somwhere within shimanos again (also nice to have both my shoes compatible)...now, 540, xt or xtr,

    I know I said $$$ wasn't problem, but figure XT seem to be favorable on this thread...and save a few buck can never hurt

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyHank View Post
    When I see a nice bike out on the trail the last thing I look at is the pedals (if at all) To me bling on pedals is non-existent after the first ride. Either they work for you or they don't. It's not like you are riding a Cologno with a vintage Campagnolo "Gruppo. I say suck up the 5 grams and pocket the extra $100.

    Hank
    and your recommended opinion hank?

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    Quote Originally Posted by everything motorcycl View Post
    and your recommended opinion hank?
    My advice: You only live once, buy what you want. You could always get the M540's for $45 then call Shimano and tell them the plastic blingy thingy's fell off your $165 XTR-980's (which at some point will become un-recognizable black plastic blurrs anyway) and when they arrive glue or screw them onto the 540's? (looks like the same dimension)



    Hank



    P.S. Oh that would be dishonest...never mind... and also please disregard my nonsensical humor. The 520's sure look nice and they get some solid reviews.
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    I have XT's on one bike and XTR's on the other. I can't tell the difference once I'm on the bike and riding. Go for whichever one floats your boat. I read a good article on the XT, XTR, and 540's. Basically, the weight and a slimmer profile is most of what separates the 3 pedals.

    I did ride Times for a couple years. They are super easy to get into and it doesn't matter how much snow or mud is on the cleat. As my skills advanced, I didn't find the retention to be strong enough. The cleats just released too easily while on the strongest setting. That's when I went back to Shimano.

    Good Luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by .40AET View Post
    I have XT's on one bike and XTR's on the other. I can't tell the difference once I'm on the bike and riding. Go for whichever one floats your boat. I read a good article on the XT, XTR, and 540's. Basically, the weight and a slimmer profile is most of what separates the 3 pedals.

    I did ride Times for a couple years. They are super easy to get into and it doesn't matter how much snow or mud is on the cleat. As my skills advanced, I didn't find the retention to be strong enough. The cleats just released too easily while on the strongest setting. That's when I went back to Shimano.

    Good Luck!
    Excellent, will likely be grabbing the XT's now

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    I've had flat pedals, time atac, crank bro's, and most recently I tried some XT 785 pedals.

    I like flat pedals, but I don't think they are as efficient as clip ins. But they might be more fun.

    I liked the Times, but they didn't feel great under my feet for some reason, and they kind of bugged my knees. Used them 2 seasons.

    Had some cheap crank bros candy pedals. They worked pretty good. Easy to get in and out. Nice float. For a cheap pedal, it was a good deal.

    But then I bought the 785. Perfection for a spd pedal. I use them with multirelease cleats. Wicked easy to get out of. Easy to clip in. A bit of a platform if you need to unclip for whatever reason and pedal. I'll probably never switch pedals again, I like them that much ( unless I want to run flat pedals).

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    no to flats for me. Not sure why, but going w full XC pedal, the 780 vs 785, but def appreciate input. Was deadset on xtr's, then considered all the others...now looks like I'm back to shimano, but xt's. xtr seems to have some bearing reliability issue...

    but no rhyme or reason. really appreciate all the input.

    shame, called two of my lbs and they won't budge off msrp...hmmmm, support lbs and pay DOUBLE?

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    I have the XT's. If I had to buy new pedals right now, I'd buy the M540's as I cant tell a difference between them and the XT's. I'd put the $40 difference else where.

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    getting a lot of that, get the 540. 4 grams not much...unless you are a drug dealer lol.

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    Sundragon, did you upgrade from 540s???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nail Every Trail View Post

    But then I bought the 785. Perfection for a spd pedal. I use them with multirelease cleats. Wicked easy to get out of. Easy to clip in. A bit of a platform if you need to unclip for whatever reason and pedal. I'll probably never switch pedals again, I like them that much ( unless I want to run flat pedals).
    I am glad you like these as I just bought them! Have you ran them without the multi-release cleats? I am really hoping this can be my "last" pedal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by everything motorcycl View Post
    Sundragon, did you upgrade from 540s???
    I actually bought the XT's after having problems with Egg Beaters. The XT"s felt nice, very solid engagement vs the egg beaters. I then spent some time riding a friends bike who had the 540's and I couldnt tell anything different. So, when I bought a second bike, I bought a set of the 540's for it, still couldnt tell the difference.

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    Shimano.com doesn't tell what spindle material except the 540s (chromoly). Wondering if the XT's have the titantium or xtrs do? Lame 0.0 on their website

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nail Every Trail View Post
    But then I bought the 785. Perfection for a spd pedal. I use them with multirelease cleats. Wicked easy to get out of. Easy to clip in. A bit of a platform if you need to unclip for whatever reason and pedal. I'll probably never switch pedals again, I like them that much ( unless I want to run flat pedals).


    I prefer that style of pedal. I really like my M-530's. The XT-PDM785's look very nice as well doubt that they feel/function any differently (probably a little lighter) but they is got an "X" and a "T" and despite my feelings I too appreciate the little things.

    Happy Pedaling,

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    DONE! Just bought the XT's...$20 more then the 540s...only draw back MAY be if they are an offshoot of the xtr's and have the reliability issue. 540s look sweet, and looked nice. Now I just need to learn how to ride, any opinions? (-;

    Thanks again for the extraordinary discussion, explanations, and opinions! Suppppper helpful. I'm stoked (for a freakin pedal...you know you are a gearhead when...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by everything motorcycl View Post
    DONE! Just bought the XT's...$20 more then the 540s...only draw back MAY be if they are an offshoot of the xtr's and have the reliability issue. 540s look sweet, and looked nice. Now I just need to learn how to ride, any opinions?
    Hi everything,

    Who did you buy them from and how much $$$

    As far as "Now I just need to learn how to ride" goes, that tells me you are not familiar with clipping in and more importantly clipping out. Being a noob, my general rule of thumb is "If you are not moving forward, you are moving sideways which in simple language means "You are going down" When I first started clipping in it was on my road bike on my trainer and what I found out was the muscles used to twist my heels outward were muscles I really hadn't developed. I worked at it for a while and yes on my first ride I started too slow stalled and went down. I guess the good thing about MTB is that for the most part you can get to fall on dirt instead of concrete, the bad part is as you progress dirt can become rocks and a flat dirt roads can become knife edged ridges. You definitely want to develop skills and not exceed your limitations. Take it easy is a good policy, when in doubt walk it is another. Take a beginners course. Ride with a Group (there's always someone that can use your advice and there will be others with more advanced skills to help advance yours)

    There is a lot to know about MTB'ing In my opinion, much more so than road biking. Nothing will teach you more than time in the saddle. It doesn't hurt to learn through reading and it hurts a whole lot less crashing in your mind while reading a book in bed.

    My book should be getting here soon:



    I'm sure other guys will have some good recommendations as well.

    Happy "XT" Pedaling

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    P.S. Click on my Avatar picture and try to figure it out. Hint it is party a result of not clipping out fast enough and partly not applying the "If in doubt walk it" rule.

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    Was just kidding about the learning how to ride. Couldn't imagine not knowing how to ride a bike then going with clip pedals.

    Called my lbs to buy, I spend tons of dough w them, would be nice if they would just off a 10-15% discount. I'd consider. I got them for less then HALF of what they wanted. ebay.new.

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    I race on XTs with Ti spindles - lighter than XTR for the same money

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    Don't like my 980s

    After years of riding on older XT and XTR pedals, I bought a new pair of 980s. I wish I had read the reviews first, but it didn't even occur to me that they would be anything other than great. But the new pedals don't float freely like the old ones. There's a lot of "stiction" between the shoe outsole and the platform. Not happy.
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    broadway, which model xt's are you on???

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    Quote Originally Posted by broadwayline View Post
    I race on XTs with Ti spindles - lighter than XTR for the same money
    Pray tell me where does one get Titanium Spindles...TBay?

    All kidding aside...I'm Serious,

    Thanks,

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    THey are on Evil Bay. Shame is, I don't know what comes with XTR or XT's as they don't list it on their website. That said, 540s plus spindles look like one great set up. I elected for the XTs, will keep you posted.

    Anyone know if the XT's come w ti?

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