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    Seriously, what's your opinion on the best 29'er/ tires/rims/ and components?

    Ok experts, I've been on this website all of 6 weeks talking about my problems with spending $3K on a new mountain bike only to have the rims and tires fail in just 8 months. There have been numerous replies and I've appreciated most of them. I solved my problem thanks to some of you, but I have to ask, in your opinion, what's the best stock 29'er for the average rider? I'm not talking about buying a bike and then upgrading tires, rims, etc. Just "out of the store" value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmoore View Post
    Ok experts, I've been on this website all of 6 weeks talking about my problems with spending $3K on a new mountain bike only to have the rims and tires fail in just 8 months. There have been numerous replies and I've appreciated most of them. I solved my problem thanks to some of you, but I have to ask, in your opinion, what's the best stock 29'er for the average rider? I'm not talking about buying a bike and then upgrading tires, rims, etc. Just "out of the store" value.
    There isn't, you're too fixated on the fact you bent a wheel on a 3k bike. It's mountain biking, **** happens. Fix it and move on. A $1000+ dollar wheelset will bend if you mess up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmoore View Post
    Ok experts, I've been on this website all of 6 weeks talking about my problems with spending $3K on a new mountain bike only to have the rims and tires fail in just 8 months. There have been numerous replies and I've appreciated most of them. I solved my problem thanks to some of you, but I have to ask, in your opinion, what's the best stock 29'er for the average rider? I'm not talking about buying a bike and then upgrading tires, rims, etc. Just "out of the store" value.
    No bike is bulletproof.

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    You can spend $10,000 and still break stuff
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    Generic response:

    My {Insert MTB model} is the best one out there. Coincidentally, it is the one I own.


    Word to the wise,,,only you can tell what is best for you...based upon your level, what you ride, what you expect from a ride, how much you want to spend, etc., etc., etc.

    Everyone's opinion suits them and not you.

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    I've been riding the O.E. Bontrager Race wheelset that came on my bike back in 04 with no issues. They've never even been trued once. I can't imagine that the wheels being spec'ed these days are any worse.
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    Breaking stuff is part of skill development and learning. Ride lighter with finesse over rocks and you need less and end up faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SandSpur View Post
    No bike is bulletproof.

    Give me a tank and I can find a man that can break it.
    Exactly! Put a mountain biker in a room with 2 bowling balls and we'll break one and lose the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmoore View Post
    Maybe I should keep riding my 2007 Gary Fisher which cost me $500 and has caused me no problems. More $$$ seems to cause more problems.
    Apparently a $500 GF.

    TwoTone summed it up nice. No such thing as "bulletproof" or "bombproof".

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    My opinion on the best 29er cassettes is to go for Ultegra 11-30, but 105 works in a pinch.
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    When I posted this question I figured these were the kind of responses I'd get. The post about the GF $500 was the best. My first mountain bike has been bullet proof. I've since had a GF Cobia 29'er and now a Scott Scale 930 Carbon 29'er. Couldn't help but start upgrading.

    The Scott has had some problems due to non-tubeless ready rims and flexible Rocket Ron tires.

    I've now spent an additional $400 for Stan's rims and Maxxis tires. All is well.

    I think it's interesting that mtn bikes are so different from road bikes. Been a road biker for 40 years and have gotten what I paid for. Not so with mtn bikes. The more I spend on mtn bikes the less reliable and durable they are. I guess it's just a different animal. My last road bike was a 2003 Lemond. Still riding it with absolutely no malfunctions. Haven't even had a flat. 2,000 miles last year, not even an adjustment needed.

    Love mtn biking but it's been a constant battle with bike malfunctions. I know, most of you will tell me to stay away from mtn biking and stick to road. I just can't figure out why the bike manufacturers can't build a reliable mtn bike. Especially when spending $3k for my last one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmoore View Post
    When I posted this question I figured these were the kind of responses I'd get. The post about the GF $500 was the best. My first mountain bike has been bullet proof. I've since had a GF Cobia 29'er and now a Scott Scale 930 Carbon 29'er. Couldn't help but start upgrading.

    The Scott has had some problems due to non-tubeless ready rims and flexible Rocket Ron tires.

    I've now spent an additional $400 for Stan's rims and Maxxis tires. All is well.

    I think it's interesting that mtn bikes are so different from road bikes. Been a road biker for 40 years and have gotten what I paid for. Not so with mtn bikes. The more I spend on mtn bikes the less reliable and durable they are. I guess it's just a different animal. My last road bike was a 2003 Lemond. Still riding it with absolutely no malfunctions. Haven't even had a flat. 2,000 miles last year, not even an adjustment needed.

    Love mtn biking but it's been a constant battle with bike malfunctions. I know, most of you will tell me to stay away from mtn biking and stick to road. I just can't figure out why the bike manufacturers can't build a reliable mtn bike. Especially when spending $3k for my last one.
    You cant compare road biking to mountain biking..

    I race XC and spend a lot of my time road biking to get the hours in.... You can get away with many weak components on the road. Hell, I could probably buy a walmart bike and ride it forever on the road. Offroad? not so much.. its tougher on bikes and your body...

    I spend 1/3 less than your $3000 mountain bike, and dont have anywhere close to the massive problems you seem to have.. but once you get more skill riding offroad, you wont keep breaking wheels.. A ROMB always seem to have these problems when they first get started. This isnt road biking
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    You keep bringing up $3k like it's a lot to spend on a bike nowadays. Middle of the line with mediocre components usually.

    And because the obvious obviously needs to be stated here: you're riding a mountain bike. Stuff will break, and will continue to break. Part of the sport. Get out while you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmoore View Post
    When I posted this question I figured these were the kind of responses I'd get. The post about the GF $500 was the best. My first mountain bike has been bullet proof. I've since had a GF Cobia 29'er and now a Scott Scale 930 Carbon 29'er. Couldn't help but start upgrading.

    The Scott has had some problems due to non-tubeless ready rims and flexible Rocket Ron tires.

    I've now spent an additional $400 for Stan's rims and Maxxis tires. All is well.

    I think it's interesting that mtn bikes are so different from road bikes. Been a road biker for 40 years and have gotten what I paid for. Not so with mtn bikes. The more I spend on mtn bikes the less reliable and durable they are. I guess it's just a different animal. My last road bike was a 2003 Lemond. Still riding it with absolutely no malfunctions. Haven't even had a flat. 2,000 miles last year, not even an adjustment needed.

    Love mtn biking but it's been a constant battle with bike malfunctions. I know, most of you will tell me to stay away from mtn biking and stick to road. I just can't figure out why the bike manufacturers can't build a reliable mtn bike. Especially when spending $3k for my last one.
    How far off the ground are you getting when you hit a nice big speed bump on that 2003 Lemond 2-3 ft of air?

    There are plenty of reliable mountain bikes. I've been mountain biking since the late 90's BMXing before that. Just about every bike has been very reliable.
    Have I broken things- yes, 'mountain bike' doesn't equal bullet proof tank. Every time I broken/bent something it's been my mistake.

    Maybe you should stick to road, all you've done since joining this forum is ***** about unreliable mountain bikes. Save yourself the hassle and expense, this hobby isn't for you.
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    I think you may be looking at this wrong - typically, the more you spend on a bike, the lighter the components are, and as such, they may be less resistant to a miscue, especially in the area of wheels and tires. My guess (assumption on my part) is that when the manufacturers sell a bike for 3k, they assume a new rider will not be buying it, and a more experienced rider can avoid some of the things that may tear it up, making the lifespan of the lighter components acceptable.
    At some point on the dollar and weight scale you go from components that can take a beating and keep going, to lightweight "race" parts that are not as durable, but lighter and let you go faster.
    Mtb riding is quite a bit tougher on components due to the large variability of terrain and obstacles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phsycle View Post
    You keep bringing up $3k like it's a lot to spend on a bike nowadays. Middle of the line with mediocre components usually.

    And because the obvious obviously needs to be stated here: you're riding a mountain bike. Stuff will break, and will continue to break. Part of the sport. Get out while you can.
    Didn't mean to piss anybody off. $3k was a lot of money to me. My bike was more than my truck. Didn't think I'd have to upgrade right away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmoore View Post
    Didn't mean to piss anybody off. $3k was a lot of money to me. My bike was more than my truck. Didn't think I'd have to upgrade right away.
    Not pissed off, personally. You just came off sounding like a weenie, and someone who didn't do much research before buying? Live and learn, as my wife says. She also called me a weenie yesterday because I had a headache and couldn't move.

    Good luck with your MTB venture. I ride road as well, and my 83 Trek still rides butter smooth. My 08 Karate Monkey had its fair share of replaced components already.

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    3k doesn't make your bike bulletproof, it just makes it nicer and lighter. You can dent and break any wheel pretty easily if u do it wrong. Pinkbike destroyed an ENVE DH wheel in their official test write up.

    Comparing road bikes to mountain bikes and biking is comparing apples and oranges.

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    So to sum it up, learn to ride light and you'll be less likely to break stuff. Finesse isn't exactly part of the average roadies vernacular.
    I do agree with you that 3k is a lot of money to drop on a bike. Sure the prices just keep climbing from there (just for fun I spec'ed out a Trek Fuel 29 and it almost hit 11k ), but 3k should still land you a very solid, competent ride.
    You really just need to focus on being light and loose on the bike and the rest of your issues will go away. You'll find that you'll get faster too.
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    I am going to disagree with most of the comments posted here--with the utmost of respect of course.

    Your bike shop sold you a bike designed for a cross country racer on a budget.... You can get a very sturdy almost unbreakable full suspension for 3000 bucks.

    This coming from a guy who is about to drop bank on a tbltc with carbon rims....

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    Yeah...two dif machines for two dif purposes. One weighing a lot more than the other.

    The lesson should be: Don't do whatever it is u did to dent that wheel because that wheel isn't all that different from the majority of other wheels out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cptjack View Post
    I am going to disagree with most of the comments posted here--with the utmost of respect of course.

    Your bike shop sold you a bike designed for a cross country racer on a budget.... You can get a very sturdy almost unbreakable full suspension for 3000 bucks.

    This coming from a guy who is about to drop bank on a tbltc with carbon rims....
    You really don't know what you're talking about.
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    It's like buying furniture...just because it's expensive, doesn't mean it's pretty and has better longevity and a better warranty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    You really don't know what you're talking about.
    How so?

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    I suspect that most of the 3k cost on the bike was in the carbon frame; had you purchased a similar bike without the carbon frame it probably would have been half the cost.
    Lightweight = high dollar
    The Scott Scale 930 has a decent component set, but is no better than the $1500 version in aluminum - you paid a bunch for the frame.
    Does not make it a bad bike, but you have to realize where the money is in a bike.
    To address a specific issue, that bike has Rocket Ron tires - great tires, but maybe not the most durable.
    Not familiar with the wheelset, but if they are like some of the other Scott bikes, they have a weight limit - not the heaviest duty wheel - more of a race wheel.
    Does not make it a bad bike, but you have to realize it's purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by willworkforbeer View Post
    I suspect that most of the 3k cost on the bike was in the carbon frame; had you purchased a similar bike without the carbon frame it probably would have been half the cost.
    Lightweight = high dollar
    The Scott Scale 930 has a decent component set, but is no better than the $1500 version in aluminum - you paid a bunch for the frame.
    Does not make it a bad bike, but you have to realize where the money is in a bike.
    To address a specific issue, that bike has Rocket Ron tires - great tires, but maybe not the most durable.
    Not familiar with the wheelset, but if they are like some of the other Scott bikes, they have a weight limit - not the heaviest duty wheel - more of a race wheel.
    Does not make it a bad bike, but you have to realize it's purpose.
    This. High dollar frame, mediocre component spec. My advice to you would be to really learn and decide what you want from a bike and each and every one of it's components. Buy a frame you like, and spec the bike yourself with components that suit you. Learn how to work competently on your bike. Learn to build a bike from a bare frame, or have a friend build it for you. I would never even consider purchasing a ready to ride bike off the showroom floor. Too many crap/heavy/housebrand components that while maybe a good value for your dollar, probably won't suit the needs you will have for your particular style of riding. It's expensive to go this route unless you really shop around, but well worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cptjack View Post
    How so?
    Simple you said
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    You can get a very sturdy almost unbreakable full suspension for 3000 bucks.
    which is a load of crap. Almost unbreakable? Really. As I said, you don't know what you're talking about.
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    Sorry "two tone", I did not mean to offend you... it is just that I felt that the OP might have been sold the improper bike, especially if he has always been a roadie and is new to mountain bikes.

    I would hope that if I suddenly got into road bikes the salesman would not point me towards a cervalo frame with suntour components.

    Also, although I have not posted my "opinion" TWO THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY TWO TIMES in less than 800 days does not mean that it is impossible to buy a sturdy bike for a beginner for under 3000 dollars.

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    That bike is sturdy, I have those same damn rims. They are more sturdy than a set of Arch EX I have btw so he might be in for a surprise...(stiffer anyways).

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    Quote Originally Posted by cptjack View Post
    Sorry "two tone", I did not mean to offend you... it is just that I felt that the OP might have been sold the improper bike, especially if he has always been a roadie and is new to mountain bikes.

    I would hope that if I suddenly got into road bikes the salesman would not point me towards a cervalo frame with suntour components.

    Also, although I have not posted my "opinion" TWO THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY TWO TIMES in less than 800 days does not mean that it is impossible to buy a sturdy bike for a beginner for under 3000 dollars.

    You didn't offend me, it was just a stupid comment.

    No one said it wasn't sturdy, he's been crying on several threads about bending a rim on his 3k bike. It's gotten old and no bike or component is 'almost unbreakable'

    Since when does sturdy equal unbreakable? He has a perfectly good bike, he just needs to learn to ride it and face the fact it's mountain biking and stuff breaks/bends.

    What does my post count have anything to do with it? Normally insecure posters have to bring that crap into a discussion.
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    The key is to never buy bikes from the current year! Get last year's model on sale. I got my rocky mountain slayer 70 with amazing components for 3200 brand new. Been riding it for a year now and nothing has broken, wheels are still true enough for me to not to mind, and I've only added new tires cause I needed wider ones for DH type trails. It is definitely incredibly hard to find any mountain bike with really solid wheels for around 3000. My slayer came with EX500's mounted on rocky's house brand hubs and they have been fantastic!

    check jensonusa, chainreaction, performancebike, and get a RIGHTEOUS deal on an "old" bike.

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    I just got a flat on my Tacoma-7600 miles. Piece of sh!t. All that money I spent and the tire goes bad so fast??? I should return the truck.

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    Most every mfr is just giving you light duty light components that won't last because anyone can pick up a bike and say 'this is a lame bike because it's heavy', or 'this bike is going to make me awesome because it's light'--and unfortunately, most people still judge a bike they are considering buying to that one rather short-sighted standard.

    Learn to string your own wheels if you actually like riding--it will pay you back over and over...

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    Quote Originally Posted by willworkforbeer View Post
    I suspect that most of the 3k cost on the bike was in the carbon frame; had you purchased a similar bike without the carbon frame it probably would have been half the cost.
    Lightweight = high dollar
    The Scott Scale 930 has a decent component set, but is no better than the $1500 version in aluminum - you paid a bunch for the frame.
    Does not make it a bad bike, but you have to realize where the money is in a bike.
    To address a specific issue, that bike has Rocket Ron tires - great tires, but maybe not the most durable.
    Not familiar with the wheelset, but if they are like some of the other Scott bikes, they have a weight limit - not the heaviest duty wheel - more of a race wheel.
    Does not make it a bad bike, but you have to realize it's purpose.
    This!

    I was in my LBS checking out the 2014 models and the Scale 935 was $3,500 (NZD) despite having pretty ordinary specs and an XC-30 fork. Why the huge price tag? Oh yeah the carbon frame. For less money I'd take the aluminium 950 or 940 with SLX/XT components and a Fox fork any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zowie View Post
    Most every mfr is just giving you light duty light components that won't last because anyone can pick up a bike and say 'this is a lame bike because it's heavy', or 'this bike is going to make me awesome because it's light'--and unfortunately, most people still judge a bike they are considering buying to that one rather short-sighted standard.

    Learn to string your own wheels if you actually like riding--it will pay you back over and over...
    It's the ones worried about two pounds on the bike and not the 20 round their middle that astound me. I'd be more worried about rotunding mass than rotating.

    Some people can 'get' wheel building and others just don't have the genetics for it. I'm lucky in that it is natural to me, but I know guys that can fix all sorts of stuff but have a tough time getting a wheel straight in hours that I can do in minutes. I think it's a tough skill to learn if it doesn't come naturally.

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    Here's what people do with their old damaged rims instead of complaining

    Seriously, what's your opinion on the best 29'er/ tires/rims/ and components?-577328_623960840959262_1570335444_n.jpg

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