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    Minimalist tread 2.4 (Ardent alternative?)

    Any recommendations for a supple 2.4" 29er tire with a bit of tread but not a lot? I liked the Ardent well enough but wondering what my other options are. Thanks much.

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    Ikon 2.35 or a Racing Ralph 2.35?

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    Vee Rubber Speed R 2.4 - it looks just like an Ardent, only shaved down in the center significantly and less so on the edges, so it rolls fast, but still corners well. Downside - I'm not sure they make a tubeless version yet. It's worth checking on though.

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    +1 for Maxxis Ikon 2.35
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    +2 for Maxxis Ikon 2.35. I'm using it on the front now for XC racing. Good grip and rolls decent.

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    Bontrager XR2.

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    +1 for Bontrager XR2. The 2.35 sat wider than the 2.4 Conti x-kings that I previously had

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    +1 for Racing Ralph 2.35". The non-snake skin is my favorite as a front tire where cuts are less of an issue than the rear. It is unfortunately discontinued, but the Snake Skin version makes a passable alternative, just not quite as big or as supple.

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    + however many for Ikon or Racing Ralph
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    Time to stop believing the hype and start doing some science.
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    I cant tell whether i like the rr or ikon more... To me the ikon doesnt roll quite as well as the ralph....
    Anyone else feel this way?


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    Quote Originally Posted by philreske8614 View Post
    I cant tell whether i like the rr or ikon more... To me the ikon doesnt roll quite as well as the ralph....
    Anyone else feel this way?


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    I installed Ikon's F&R (2.35 / 2.2). I removed the rear 2.2 after a few rides as it felt slower than the Ardent it replaced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keen View Post
    I installed Ikon's F&R (2.35 / 2.2). I removed the rear 2.2 after a few rides as it felt slower than the Ardent it replaced.
    So I should just switch to ardents?


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    Quote Originally Posted by philreske8614 View Post
    So I should just switch to ardents?


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    I had the opposite experience.
    Quote Originally Posted by pvd
    Time to stop believing the hype and start doing some science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    I had the opposite experience.
    Is this dependant on the trails we ride ? I live in michgian mostly everything is hardpack with minial downhills that would reauire anything knobbier


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    Quote Originally Posted by philreske8614 View Post
    I cant tell whether i like the rr or ikon more... To me the ikon doesnt roll quite as well as the ralph....
    Anyone else feel this way?
    The Racing Ralph should roll faster than the Ikon. Take a look at this site: bicyclerollingresistance.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by philreske8614 View Post
    I cant tell whether i like the rr or ikon more... To me the ikon doesnt roll quite as well as the ralph....
    Anyone else feel this way?


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    I have observed that before all those rolling resistance tests came out. The difference on pavement to me is obvious, on dirt it is less obvious and I've seen no difference in trail speed between the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philreske8614 View Post
    Is this dependant on the trails we ride ? I live in michgian mostly everything is hardpack with minial downhills that would reauire anything knobbier


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    I frequently ride hardpack even a section of pavement to get to the trail head. The Ikon provides stellar grip for hardpack but that grippiness sure feels slow. When the trail loosens up the Ikon moves faster but doesn't quite have the bite when it gets loamy. I briefly ran a Racing Ralph SS 2.35 / 2.25 combo that was a good compromise between traction & speed. A tear (from pinch flatting) in the rear sidewall gave me second thought about there durability.

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    It's interesting that ardents dont make the list on rolling resistance.com


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    Ikon 2.35 or death

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    Continental race king looks good from rr.com might pick one up... Doesn't look good up front though... Any try this?


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    Quote Originally Posted by keen View Post
    I frequently ride hardpack even a section of pavement to get to the trail head. The Ikon provides stellar grip for hardpack but that grippiness sure feels slow. When the trail loosens up the Ikon moves faster but doesn't quite have the bite when it gets loamy. I briefly ran a Racing Ralph SS 2.35 / 2.25 combo that was a good compromise between traction & speed. A tear (from pinch flatting) in the rear sidewall gave me second thought about there durability.
    Have you tried the tubless brew in the 29er forumns ? A tear is a tear but ive ran ralphs for 3 years with no issues using tbis brew


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stonerider View Post
    The Racing Ralph should roll faster than the Ikon. Take a look at this site: bicyclerollingresistance.com
    But they also say an Ikon rolls slightly slower than a Ground Control whereas it feels a lot faster.


    Oh and another vote for the 2.35 Ikon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philreske8614 View Post
    It's interesting that ardents dont make the list on rolling resistance.com


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    Not many Maxxis tyres do. Just 2 2.2" Ikon's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NordieBoy View Post
    But they also say an Ikon rolls slightly slower than a Ground Control whereas it feels a lot faster.


    Oh and another vote for the 2.35 Ikon.
    I have run the 2.3 S-Works Ground Control on the front and the 2.35 Ikon 3C/TR on the front. To me, it felt like the 2.3 S-Works Ground Control was faster rolling. That may have been just the weight though as it should weigh about 50g less than the big Ikon. Saying all that, I really do like how the big Ikon hooked up in the turns.

    But now since I'm racing XC, I'm going to try a 2.25 Racing Ralph snakeskin/tubeless easy on the front. It weighs less than either the big GC or Ikon and should roll real fast comparatively. I just hope I can make it hook up well in the turns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NordieBoy View Post
    But they also say an Ikon rolls slightly slower than a Ground Control whereas it feels a lot faster.


    Oh and another vote for the 2.35 Ikon.
    I have the 2.2 version ikon. How big is the difference between that and the 2.35?


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    Quote Originally Posted by philreske8614 View Post
    I have the 2.2 version ikon. How big is the difference between that and the 2.35?


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    Better cornering and cushioning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philreske8614 View Post
    I have the 2.2 version ikon. How big is the difference between that and the 2.35?
    The 2.35 Ikon corners much better than the comparable 2.2 Ikon due to larger side knobs. But there is a weight penalty.

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    My like Ardent but better choice is Bontrager XR3 where my own riding has XR4 in front.

    Why was proven again Sunday when a little rain passed. My friend with Ardents had packed tread while the Bontrager XR3 was still very clean.

    That said, an Ardent is better on edge than an XR3 - why I run XR4 in front.

    Now Trek has these in heavier dual cloth SE versions - both XR and SE are fairly light for what they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitflogger View Post
    My like Ardent but better choice is Bontrager XR3 where my own riding has XR4 in front.

    Why was proven again Sunday when a little rain passed. My friend with Ardents had packed tread while the Bontrager XR3 was still very clean.

    That said, an Ardent is better on edge than an XR3 - why I run XR4 in front.

    Now Trek has these in heavier dual cloth SE versions - both XR and SE are fairly light for what they are.
    Were talking minimalist tread here though... Xr3 & Xr4 are the more knobbier choices.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stonerider View Post
    The 2.35 Ikon corners much better than the comparable 2.2 Ikon due to larger side knobs. But there is a weight penalty.
    You can see them side by side here
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    2.35 Ikon is my race day (dry track) front tire ^^

    I wouldn't run it on wet/damp trails...

    Fine for rocky stuff also.

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