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    Hans Dampf or Maxxis Ardent

    I'm building up an Intense Spider 29 for use as an AM bike. I've got Maxxis Ardents on my Niner Jet 9, and I also had them on my Yelli Screamy. But I'm thinking of doing something different on this bike, enter the Hans Dampf. I've used the Ardents in 2.4 on the front, and 2.25 on the rear on my other bikes, but I see the HD comes in 2.35. If I decide to use the HD's, would it make sense to run 2.35 on front and rear?
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    I don't see why not.

    Although you can run something like the Nobby Nic in 2.25 in the back as well.
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    Yes I sometimes run the 2.35 Hans Dumpf front & rear of my Jet9 RDO & will be using them on my Rip9 Carbon when I get it.

    I like them more than my Ardent 2.4
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    i found them very very similar.

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    I've run both Ardent 2.4 and the HD 2.35s tubeless on Flows, front and rear.

    They both measure to advertised size. The HDs are heavier, with more aggressive knobs. The Ardents are a bit taller and wider and roll a bit easier or hard surface.

    So, I'd say choose the HDs if you want a bit more traction, or the Ardents for a bit more volume and cush with some weight savings. You won't go wrong either way.
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    The Nobby Nic 2.35 in back looks like it would be a good match with the HD 2.35 in front. Is the Specialized Butcher still available?
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    I am waiting for my Spider Comp too (assume you have comp as well rather than standard spider since you said AM). I went with the Hans Dampf 2.35 in the front and the Nobby Nic 2.35 in the rear. The Nic is lighter and has less rolling resistance than the Dampf. Should be a good compromise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smithrider View Post
    I am waiting for my Spider Comp too (assume you have comp as well rather than standard spider since you said AM). I went with the Hans Dampf 2.35 in the front and the Nobby Nic 2.35 in the rear. The Nic is lighter and has less rolling resistance than the Dampf. Should be a good compromise.
    I'm building up a Spider 29, not the comp, but am building it more to AM specs in regards to the components I'm using.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gasp4Air View Post
    I've run both Ardent 2.4 and the HD 2.35s tubeless on Flows, front and rear.

    They both measure to advertised size. The HDs are heavier, with more aggressive knobs. The Ardents are a bit taller and wider and roll a bit easier or hard surface.

    So, I'd say choose the HDs if you want a bit more traction, or the Ardents for a bit more volume and cush with some weight savings. You won't go wrong either way.
    Wow. I'm running a 2.35 HD on the front (on a Flow EX), and can't imagine anything bigger or cushier. Might have to try the Ardent next time around.

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    Just put a pair of HD 2.35 on my SS rigid.I live in PA. where the mountains are steep and rocky.Couldn't be happier.

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    How does the volume on the HD compare to a 2.4 Purg??
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    I've run 2.4 Ardents (front and back) on my Yelli and now on 2.35 Hans Dampfs also front (trailstar) and back (pacestar). Inflated, the HD's are actually a touch wider than the Ardents... mine at least, are more 2.5's. The grip from the trailstar HD is fecking insane, however are in no way draggy for the grip they produce. On my Yelli at least, I think they roll a smidgen quicker than the Ardents. No way as fast as 2.2 Conti Race Kings... though Race Kings don't have any grip unless it's packed down and bone dry! I also find slides from Hans Dampfs a heck a lot more predictable than the Ardents... which have caught me out more than a few times losing the front end of the bike on corners in-spite of the fact weight is up front and bike leaned over, or when tackling off-cambered stuff. So Hans Dampfs all round from me...if you can't fit such a big tyre out back... use a Nobby Nic or some such.

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    I was shocked by the butchers grip so add that to tires you look at and at only 55 a pop they are cheaper. I have not ridden the HDs in 29er only 26 but the ardent is more of a drifty style tire then the HD.

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    Go with Hans Dampf's and don't look back.

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    On my Tallboy LTc I just swapped my Ardents for the Hans Dampf. I prefer the HD on the rocky loose terrain we have here.

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    How do the HD compare to rampages?

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    I've been riding the heck out of my Hans Damphs for the last couple months and I love them so far (they replaced worn out ExiWolfs. I initially was going to buy WeirWolfs but opted for the HDs and their aggressive tread.

    Sure they're heavy, but I feel like I can corner with confidence and their grip on loose rocky skree is insane. Nice and beefy. Perfect for chunky mixed-terrain trails like NM's Otero Canyon (all I need now is to get my skills to match my tire's ability ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by crux View Post
    How do the HD compare to rampages?
    Better. Bigger. More cornering traction. Thicker sidewall.

    Rampage is cheaper. A little lighter.

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    I just discovered the 2.4 Purgatory in 29 and of course the Big S stopped making them!
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    For AM, I like the Maxxis EXO carcass way better than PaceStar. The EXO is just tough as hell. The PaceStar is nice, but if you run the pressure too low it seems to get a lot of little micro tears where the sealant will leak out. It really depends on your terrain though.

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    What pressure are ya'll running in your Ardents? I run 20psi front, 24psi rear, and like them. Going to put one of these tires on a rigid SS. That's on a RIP9.
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    25/28 psi ft/rear
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBNate View Post
    25/28 psi ft/rear
    Hi at 25 front the tyre just doesn't bite & bounces of everything, try it at 19 or 20 front & the tyre comes alive.

    Drop the rear down a bit to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    Hi at 25 front the tyre just doesn't bite & bounces of everything, try it at 19 or 20 front & the tyre comes alive.

    Drope the rear down a bit to.
    i'll give a go, thx

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerryn View Post
    On my Tallboy LTc I just swapped my Ardents for the Hans Dampf. I prefer the HD on the rocky loose terrain we have here.
    I just switched my front from the stock ardent (2.25) on my ltc to a hans dampf too. The front grip is much more secure. The ardent 2.25 is fine on the rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DWill View Post
    Go with Hans Dampf's and don't look back.
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    Thanks

    Thanks for all of the input. It looks like I'll either go HD both front, and back, or HD in front, NN in back. One question though, what's the difference in the Trailstar and Pacestar? Is it the difference in compound material? Is it more advantageous to run TS in front and PS in back, or vice versa?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinboyer View Post
    Thanks for all of the input. It looks like I'll either go HD both front, and back, or HD in front, NN in back. One question though, what's the difference in the Trailstar and Pacestar? Is it the difference in compound material? Is it more advantageous to run TS in front and PS in back, or vice versa?
    Hi

    The trail star is softer & helps grip on the front & front tyres don't wear as quick as rear so it is not a problem.

    Softer on the rear will grip more to but most people go for the harder pace star so the tread will last longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    Hi

    The trail star is softer & helps grip on the front & front tyres don't wear as quick as rear so it is not a problem.

    Softer on the rear will grip more to but most people go for the harder pace star so the tread will last longer.
    Much appreciated muzzanic. That's exactly what I was thinking.
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    Pair of Hans Damph's for $68 bucks. One Pacestar, one Trailstar. From Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffw-13 View Post
    Pair of Hans Damph's for $68 bucks. One Pacestar, one Trailstar. From Germany.

    Schwalbe Hans Dampf Evo 29" Snake Skin PaceStar/TrailStar Set
    Shipping's a bendover though @ $26.88, but still about $30 less than buying a set here from ebikestop.com. Kinda tempted but fitting a 2.35 HD on the Honzo might be problematic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Shipping's a bendover though @ $26.88, but still about $30 less than buying a set here from ebikestop.com. Kinda tempted but fitting a 2.35 HD on the Honzo might be problematic.

    I've got an order ready to place with ebikestop.com for a HD and a NN plus some other items so I'll at least get free shipping.
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    muzzanic, do you have clearance issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    Hi

    The trail star is softer & helps grip on the front & front tyres don't wear as quick as rear so it is not a problem.

    Softer on the rear will grip more to but most people go for the harder pace star so the tread will last longer.
    hey Muzzanic, do you have any clearance issues or rubbing on the rear triangle with the Ardent 2.4 or hans dampf 2.35 on your Niner Jet9 RDO? If not what rim are you running those tires on? I am thinking of throwing some ardent 2.4's I have on my Jet9 RDO my rims are 24mm inner diameter and I was wondering if I will have any rubbing issues under hard leaning angles or anything related to riding rock gardens and similar areas?

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    I run ardent front and ignitor rear good grip on both and the rear is lighter
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    I missed this thread the first time around. My winter setup here in greater seattle eastside (wet, wet, and wet riding with occasional periods of wet) is HD upfront and NN in rear. A REALLY good setup in my opinion. I used to run the Ardent 2.4 up front, Ignitor in the back... also a good set up but I feel more confident with the HD, its a pretty spectacular tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JACKL View Post
    Wow. I'm running a 2.35 HD on the front (on a Flow EX), and can't imagine anything bigger or cushier. Might have to try the Ardent next time around.
    That is because he is wrong. An Ardent 2.4 is smaller than an HD 2.35.

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