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    Giant Anthem 29X Stem length observations

    My large Anthem X came with a 100mm stem. I did not like the forward feeling on the handlebars on steep, rocky, technical decents when I first got the bike. So, I bought a 80mm stem, which I liked a LOT better on steep decents!!!

    I recently demoed a Ellsworth Evolve with a 90mm stem, which rode a lot like my Anthem, in fact I liked it better.

    What I liked better was how the longer 90mm stem on the Evolve made the bike seem less twitchy cornering, climbing and decending and seemed to keep the front wheel planted on the ground noticibly better than my Anthem with a 80mm stem. The only negative was a slight uncomfortable feeling of being too far forward on the handle bars. Note, I slam the seat down when going down hill. Overall, I like the longer stem, the pluses greatly outweighed the negatives!!!

    What my question is, is after I try the 100mm stem again, I will probably want to try a 90mm stem, which might be perfect? I can keep the 80mm stem for when I ride down real steep, rocky, technical stuff. And maybe I could sell the 100mm stem or just keep it.

    I also liked the narrower 2.0 Kenda Slant 6s, which seemed to grip well and rolled much better than the Hans Dampf front and GEAX Saguaro rear on my Anthem.

    When it comes time for new tires I will get something similar to the Kenda Slant 6s.

    What are your thoughts?

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    I have year and a half on my AnthemX29 so far.

    I'm currently running 60mm stem with 120mm fork. Its perfect. You should keep your 80mm stem. Get used to the twitchness and you will be rewarded with much quicker handling.

    Hans Dampf = Only front tire to consider on a 29er in my option. Unless you're a weight weenie xc type

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    Thanks. What kinds of terrain do you usually ride? Thanks Bill

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    I'd just keep a few different stem lengths on hand. Right now I've got a 70, 80, and 90 in the parts bin. I'm on a large Xtc, not an anthem, but the geo feels very similar and am liking the 80mm at the moment. Performance bike has had their pro series stems on sale and I grabbed a few different sizes. Cost like 25 bucks each and all weigh between 100-110 grams...which is a plus for weight weenies like myself.

    I've noticed that on 29ers there is no need for a longer stem with wide bars. On a 26 inch wheeled bike the shorter stems always rose the front wheel on climbs...but I say go as short as you want on the 29er.

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    LIking my Nobby Nic front. A good front tire with plenty of bite with less weight than the Has Dampf.

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    We have plethora of terrain combinations here in SoCal.

    On mellower trails, I would have more fun running Racing Ralphs because bike is more lively with the light tires, but on loose rocky and steeps, HDs have ridiculous amount of grip

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    No problems here with the 100mm stem on my large, but then I was considering an XL, so maybe I'm taller?

    Tire wise, it depends a lot on what you're doing. A 2.0 or a 2.1 works on hard pack or buff fast single track. If you spend much time playing in less than optimal or rockier conditions, more tire is better. If you play in sharp rocks, thicker tires are better in spite of weight. So really, it depends what you're doing. What works well and makes you most comfortable where you ride is what you should use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drz400sm View Post
    On a 26 inch wheeled bike the shorter stems always rose the front wheel on climbs...but I say go as short as you want on the 29er.
    The front wheel on my Anthem rises more with the 80mm stem then the Evolve with the 90mm. They are different bikes, though. I put on my 100mm stem to compare that with my 80mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotharyus View Post
    So really, it depends what you're doing. What works well and makes you most comfortable where you ride is what you should use.
    Very true. When I rode the Evolve, the way it was set up with stem and tires, it was a lot nicer to ride where I normally ride. On the other hand there are a couple of steep rocky places I used to ride, that where the reason I went with a shorter stem and the Hans Dampfs. Now I don't ride there and want something less slack and less beefy. It's really a matter of me, getting more experience and deciding what I like the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wcasdf View Post
    We have plethora of terrain combinations here in SoCal.
    What trails do you generally ride? Do you ever ride in San Diego?
    Quote Originally Posted by wcasdf View Post
    On mellower trails, I would have more fun running Racing Ralphs because bike is more lively with the light tires, but on loose rocky and steeps, HDs have ridiculous amount of grip
    My bike came with Racing Ralphs and I ran them on loose, rocky steeps, and did not like them at all on that type of terrain. I got a Hans Dampf for the front and then stopped riding those trails and am thinking I would like something a bit beefier than the Racing Ralphs. For where I am riding now, on Mission Trails, the Hans Dampf are over kill. The Kenda Slant 6 2.0 tires had enough grip for how I ride on the trails I ride there.

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    your stem length should be dictated by your fit. Running a super short stem may mean that you need a smaller frame. Most of the bikes are designed around a stem length range for a specific frame size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billinsd View Post
    My large Anthem X came with a 100mm stem. I did not like the forward feeling on the handlebars on steep, rocky, technical decents when I first got the bike. So, I bought a 80mm stem, which I liked a LOT better on steep decents!!!

    I recently demoed a Ellsworth Evolve with a 90mm stem, which rode a lot like my Anthem, in fact I liked it better.

    What I liked better was how the longer 90mm stem on the Evolve made the bike seem less twitchy cornering, climbing and decending and seemed to keep the front wheel planted on the ground noticibly better than my Anthem with a 80mm stem. The only negative was a slight uncomfortable feeling of being too far forward on the handle bars. Note, I slam the seat down when going down hill. Overall, I like the longer stem, the pluses greatly outweighed the negatives!!!

    What my question is, is after I try the 100mm stem again, I will probably want to try a 90mm stem, which might be perfect? I can keep the 80mm stem for when I ride down real steep, rocky, technical stuff. And maybe I could sell the 100mm stem or just keep it.

    I also liked the narrower 2.0 Kenda Slant 6s, which seemed to grip well and rolled much better than the Hans Dampf front and GEAX Saguaro rear on my Anthem.

    When it comes time for new tires I will get something similar to the Kenda Slant 6s.

    What are your thoughts?

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    you're over thinking it, just ride.

    the difference between 80 and 90 or 90 and 1000 is 1 CM.....who cares

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    Thanks I do over think things. And I do ride the bike. 10 cm does make a noticable difference. I care because I'm searching for the perfect ride and obessive about things I am passionate, wich isnt spelling. Lol Thanks
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    Do what you gotta do. I'm obsessive compulsive on certain details of my bike especially the cockpit.

    Just give yourself plenty of time before changing back and forth between adjustments.

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    Sorry, but I would suggest not listening to Swerny's advice above, because it is wrong. Sorry Swerny, no disrespect at all, but the 10mm difference makes a rather large difference in the feeling of how the bike rides. I would assume that you haven't tried different stem lengths on the same bike to state that.

    OP, you noticed the difference when you made the first change, so you know that 10-20mm can truly effect the way the bike handles. I made the same change you did on my 2011 Anthem X 29er 2, which is also a size large. I went shorter to make the cockpit a little bit smaller, as my bike felt a bit longer than what I felt was comfortable. I am 6'1 and about 170 geared up, and ride trails here in Oregon. Lots of climbing, with super funs downs that can be fairly techy with all the roots.

    Anyways, I was warned by my LBS that the bike would feel twitchy with the shorter stem, but to try it out first, get used to it a bit, then make the decision from there. My first ride was brutal, and made me feel noob-ish again. But after getting used to it, it began to feel better and the twitch really was only on the climbing and not the downs. After riding it for about a month, I opted for some wider handle bars with a slight rise, and now my bike is MY bike. I found the combination that feels really good and fits me just the way I want. Truly, it made a huge difference to me, and I love my Anthem all the more now that I feel it is getting dialed in to me.

    Don't be afraid to try different combos, especially in regards to fit. Our rides were made to fit every person (in that frame size range), so it is up to us and our techs at the LBS to get it dialed to our individuality. One thing I can say about Giant techs, at least at my shop, is that they take the fit of your ride very seriously, and Giant trains them to do so. Go back in and ask questions, or see if they have a trial program so you can try a couple different stem lengths to see how they feel.

    Oh, good luck too! Enjoy your Anthem! I certainly love mine!
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    I am suprised no one else has said this already it might not be the stem.

    What handlebars did the Evolve have flat, rise, same sweep. I am short with longer torso so I have a Anthem medium I settled on a 80mm 0 degree stem but wider wars with more sweep, kept stock setback seatpost (although I should get rid of it I dont like the clamp).

    Another thing to consider would be seatpost, did the evolve have a setback seatpost, are you in a good pedaling postion? would it help to have a stragiht post and longer stem?

    Lots to think about besides stem. The only way to truly know is figure what you want to try than change one part at a time slowly until you get it where you want it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giant Chachi View Post
    and the twitch really was only on the climbing and not the downs.
    I went with the shorter stem, because it made me more comfortable and the decents. It put me back away from the front wheel a bit. Where I noticed a little twitchy is on the steep uphills, when I am making sharpt turns and going slow.
    Quote Originally Posted by Giant Chachi View Post
    After riding it for about a month, I opted for some wider handle bars with a slight rise, and now my bike is MY bike. I found the combination that feels really good and fits me just the way I want. Truly, it made a huge difference to me, and I love my Anthem all the more now that I feel it is getting dialed in to me.
    Yes, I was thinking of trying wider handle bars, not that the ones I have are way too narrow, but I might like it better, thanks!
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    Don't be afraid to try different combos, especially in regards to fit.
    Yes, I agree, thanks!
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    What handlebars did the Evolve have flat, rise, same sweep.
    I don't know but they "seemed" similar to the ones on my Anthem.
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    Another thing to consider would be seatpost, did the evolve have a setback seatpost, are you in a good pedaling postion? would it help to have a stragiht post and longer stem?
    Good questions!!

    I did swap out the 80 for the 100mm the other day and the bike rode a lot like the Evolve. I think for me with the stems is the longer stems help or force me to keep the front wheel down more and seem to help me when leaning into turns. The only downside, and it is why I changed it out, is the feeling like I am leaning way to forward on the handlebars on steep rocky decents.

    Thanks again all!!!
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    can a mod plz delete this communist spammer at once?! double posting in tons of threads

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    i went from a (stock) 2.1 sm blk 8 to a 2.35 rampage up front & holy sh!t confidence gainer to the max. now on the stem, i took the forgiving 110mm off my talon and put a 50mm on it with wider flat bars and its is now a super twitchy beast that i absolutely love. it just depends on preference and what you want to achieve. im a DH'er stuck in a crappy location for it so i have to make due with the xc crap here in SE MI.

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    Goodness, man...

    Quote Originally Posted by Billinsd View Post
    My large Anthem X came with a 100mm stem. I did not like the forward feeling on the handlebars on steep, rocky, technical decents when I first got the bike. So, I bought a 80mm stem, which I liked a LOT better on steep decents!!!

    I recently demoed a Ellsworth Evolve with a 90mm stem, which rode a lot like my Anthem, in fact I liked it better.

    What I liked better was how the longer 90mm stem on the Evolve made the bike seem less twitchy cornering, climbing and decending and seemed to keep the front wheel planted on the ground noticibly better than my Anthem with a 80mm stem. The only negative was a slight uncomfortable feeling of being too far forward on the handle bars. Note, I slam the seat down when going down hill. Overall, I like the longer stem, the pluses greatly outweighed the negatives!!!

    What my question is, is after I try the 100mm stem again, I will probably want to try a 90mm stem, which might be perfect? I can keep the 80mm stem for when I ride down real steep, rocky, technical stuff. And maybe I could sell the 100mm stem or just keep it.

    I also liked the narrower 2.0 Kenda Slant 6s, which seemed to grip well and rolled much better than the Hans Dampf front and GEAX Saguaro rear on my Anthem.

    When it comes time for new tires I will get something similar to the Kenda Slant 6s.

    What are your thoughts?

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    ... It's just a stem!

    Buy all three sizes in cheapo $20 stems (or stock up at the local swap meets), to see what you like best. If you really care to upgrade, get the blingy stem of similar size you like.

    Here ya go:

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    It's a 1 1/4 stem. Giant sells them for $90 plus tax. Bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billinsd View Post
    It's a 1 1/4 stem. Giant sells them for $90 plus tax. Bill
    I highly doubt that Giant would use an outdated Gary Fisher standard from 1995.

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    Wowzers! You're right! Dafuq?!?

    OverDrive 2 | Technology - Giant Bicycles | United States

    Good thing they only did this on the road bikes and some mountain bikes. Looks like some Mountain Bikes are just using regular 1.5-1 1/8" tapered steerer tubes.

    That's lame. It's going to make it a major PITA if you have to replace that fork.

    I was considering an Anthem 29er for my next bike, but this kills it.
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    Are the lower end Anthem 29ers equipped with this new OverDrive $h!t,
    or do they have more standard tapered headtubes ?

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    I'm a little confused here guys....are you all thinking that the overdrive system requires some proprietary fork? Not true at all. Any tapered steer tube 1.5 - 1-1/8 fits on these frames....as long as you have enought steer tube length. Pretty much industry standard these days. Am I missing something here? Both my Xtc 29er and my buddies anthem x 29er use your standard tapered steer tube...nothing "special" or "different" here. Please educate me on why anyone would call their overdrive 2 a bad feature. Been on giants for years and they seem to stick with standard sizes for versatility. Thanks

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    70mm on my Lg, love it after trying 90/80....

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    If you look at the rear center "chainstay length" of the bike at 462.5mm and the SHORT wheelbase at 1097mm and compare it to a large stumpy FSR at 450mm and 1175mm. You will see that your weight is already farther forward. The front center then becomes too short for a "LARGE" IMO and will make you almost feel like you're riding a "MED" even thou Giant has compensated with a 71.5 HT.
    Perhaps this is more your problem and the stem length only makes is worse yet?

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    yeah, i thihnk so,It's a 1 1/4 stem. Giant sells them for $90 plus tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billinsd View Post
    My large Anthem X came with a 100mm stem. I did not like the forward feeling on the handlebars on steep, rocky, technical decents when I first got the bike. So, I bought a 80mm stem, which I liked a LOT better on steep decents!!!

    I recently demoed a Ellsworth Evolve with a 90mm stem, which rode a lot like my Anthem, in fact I liked it better.

    What I liked better was how the longer 90mm stem on the Evolve made the bike seem less twitchy cornering, climbing and decending and seemed to keep the front wheel planted on the ground noticibly better than my Anthem with a 80mm stem. The only negative was a slight uncomfortable feeling of being too far forward on the handle bars. Note, I slam the seat down when going down hill. Overall, I like the longer stem, the pluses greatly outweighed the negatives!!!

    What my question is, is after I try the 100mm stem again, I will probably want to try a 90mm stem, which might be perfect? I can keep the 80mm stem for when I ride down real steep, rocky, technical stuff. And maybe I could sell the 100mm stem or just keep it.

    I also liked the narrower 2.0 Kenda Slant 6s, which seemed to grip well and rolled much better than the Hans Dampf front and GEAX Saguaro rear on my Anthem.

    When it comes time for new tires I will get something similar to the Kenda Slant 6s.

    What are your thoughts?

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    Your trying to characterize two different bikes handling by stem length. That's not possible. It doesn't work that way, AT ALL.

    Not to mention that stem length is FIT>HANDLING

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giant Chachi View Post
    Sorry, but I would suggest not listening to Swerny's advice above, because it is wrong. Sorry Swerny, no disrespect at all, but the 10mm difference makes a rather large difference in the feeling of how the bike rides. I would assume that you haven't tried different stem lengths on the same bike to state that.
    I have tried multiple stems on multiple bikes over multiple years.

    The only bike I haven't changed the stem on is my current Giant road bike...coincidentally with an Overdrive stem.

    Anyway, the OP is comparing 2 different stem lengths (1 CM apart) on different bikes and making general statements about each.

    By all means OP, try a 90 MM on your Giant and it will without a doubt be Fit Nirvana.

    Realistically, you can mess with the overall reach by playing with the stack height.

    If a cheap stem will work, then great, pick up a bunch of the $5 specials at Jenson or better yet visit your LBS and see if they have a parts bin you can try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swerny View Post
    you're over thinking it, just ride.

    the difference between 80 and 90 or 90 and 1000 is 1 CM.....who cares

    Ride your bike
    Quote Originally Posted by Giant Chachi View Post
    Sorry, but I would suggest not listening to Swerny's advice above, because it is wrong. Sorry Swerny, no disrespect at all, but the 10mm difference makes a rather large difference in the feeling of how the bike rides. I would assume that you haven't tried different stem lengths on the same bike to state that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swerny View Post
    I have tried multiple stems on multiple bikes over multiple years.

    The only bike I haven't changed the stem on is my current Giant road bike...coincidentally with an Overdrive stem.

    Anyway, the OP is comparing 2 different stem lengths (1 CM apart) on different bikes and making general statements about each.

    By all means OP, try a 90 MM on your Giant and it will without a doubt be Fit Nirvana.

    Realistically, you can mess with the overall reach by playing with the stack height.

    If a cheap stem will work, then great, pick up a bunch of the $5 specials at Jenson or better yet visit your LBS and see if they have a parts bin you can try.
    Well Swerny, you can certainly see where my comments came from when looking back to your original post and what promoted my comment in the first place. Your original comment certainly gave the impression that you really have no experience with the stem length issue, while your follow up post did show some experience, albeit a few months later. Oh well, my comment was essentially that 10mm can make a difference in ride feel and fit, contrary to your original comment.

    OP, I hope you have your bike dialed in to you a bit more since this thread was in discussion and that you are out tearing it up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlahaie79 View Post
    your stem length should be dictated by your fit. Running a super short stem may mean that you need a smaller frame. Most of the bikes are designed around a stem length range for a specific frame size.
    This was exactly what I was going to say. I felt my stem was too short on a large frame. I moved to an XL the fit of the bike overall was much better (I'm 6'3" and seem to be between frame sizes)

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    Thanks all. I put my 80mm stem back on and bought an Answer 720 ProTaper Carbon bar and really liked the ride today!!! Actually, it might be better if it was a little wider, but it was fine.

    There was only one problem. When I was riding the handle bar looked like it was cracked inside? I hope it is seam or something and it is not cracked already.

    I'm going to start another thread with photos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giant Chachi View Post
    Well Swerny, you can certainly see where my comments came from when looking back to your original post and what promoted my comment in the first place. Your original comment certainly gave the impression that you really have no experience with the stem length issue, while your follow up post did show some experience, albeit a few months later. Oh well, my comment was essentially that 10mm can make a difference in ride feel and fit, contrary to your original comment.

    OP, I hope you have your bike dialed in to you a bit more since this thread was in discussion and that you are out tearing it up!
    4 weeks apart.

    And again, a 1 CM difference won't make the massive difference the OP is suggesting, especially not when he's comparing the stem length on different bikes and attributing this alone to the bikes handling.
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    Swerny, I get your point, now, so chill brother. Unbunch the panties, you were right, I said a few months, and it was a few weeks. Good call, got me on that one.

    Bottom line is that my comment about your "you're overthinking it, just ride" comment holds true. 10mm will make a difference. Now, different bikes, yes there would be too many variables to pinpoint the stem length difference, I'll agree with that for sure. But again, generally speaking as both you and I were at the start of this thread, 10mm will make a difference in ride feel and handling. Period.

    OP, good deal on finding a combination that works for you. I've been keeping an eye on your bar thread too! Weird!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swerny View Post
    4 weeks apart.

    And again, a 1 CM difference won't make the massive difference the OP is suggesting, especially not when he's comparing the stem length on different bikes and attributing this alone to the bikes handling.
    Thanks and you are right 1cm does not make a huge difference. However, the 2cm diff from 100mm to 80 is noticeable to me. I like my 30mm wider handlebar in combination with my 80mm stem. I am not planning on buying a 90mm stem for $90 anytime soon.

    On another not I called Push Industries in CO and they said depending on my Fox fork they may be able to increase the travel up to 20mm!!! This is possible on most forks like mine. They would have to take it apart to see. It would be included in a yearly maint at no extra charge. So, when it is time to service the fork I will have them incrase the travel 10 to 20mm if possible.

    What I am doing here is tweaking my bike for my own taste. And I am having fun in the process and it helps reduce my compision to want to buy another bike.


    Thanks all Bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by customfab View Post
    Your trying to characterize two different bikes handling by stem length. That's not possible. It doesn't work that way, AT ALL.

    Not to mention that stem length is FIT>HANDLING
    Even if both bikes have very similar geometry? I understand what you are saying, though. Both bikes have diff handle bars, suspension, rims, tires, etc. Thanks Bill

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    I'm wanting to swap my 90 m for a 70mm stem but can't find anything that will fit the anthem 1 1/4 size, can anyone help with with a make or model. Cheers

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    I'm wanting to swap my 90 m for a 70mm stem but can't find anything that will fit the anthem 1 1/4 size, can anyone help with with a make or model. Cheers
    I can't remember where I saw it, but I think Ritchey might have something in 1 1/4'. May not be cheaper tho, but possibly blingier.

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    IIRC the Specialized Pro Set stem without the angle adjustment shims work too. Maybe find one at a LBS to test out.

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    With wider bars like the 720mm, what stem length are you guys running on a large frame?

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    I don't know anyone running bars that wide on an Anthem, my large came with 690's and a 100mm stem. If I went to a 720, I'd look at maybe an 80mm though. It's a place to start, if you really need bars that wide.

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    For comparison, my medium Anthem came with 730 bars and a 90mm stem. So far, the bars seem a bit wide to me but want to get some more rides on it before swapping anything.

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    Re: Giant Anthem 29X Stem length observations

    710mm bar 100mm stem AX29 large
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    Re: Giant Anthem 29X Stem length observations

    The 2013 Anthem Advanced 0 came with a 730mm bar. First thing I did was cut it down to 690mm.
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    750mm bars with a 65mm stem. I am 6'3" with broad shoulders on an XL AX29. I love the handling with wide bars and shorter stems...even on the AX29. I had not expected this to be the case. The 750's actually feel narrow coming from the 800 's on my other bike.

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    1CM stem length change made a difference on my bike w/ handling and cockpit. I went from 80mm to 90mm thinking I wanted more room....I ended up not liking it and went back to 80mm. All it did was bring me forward and effect steering in a way I didn't like. I found i out prefer the shorter stem which sets me back a bit more for descents.

    I know a guy who went with a short stem/wide bar setup on his Anthem 29er and loves it.

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    i don't have an anthem but i do have a talon in my stable. geo's are similar enough & i ran a 760mm/50mm and loved it. it is now a commuter as i like to ride beyond its limits. my AM bike is 800mm/40mm

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    The short stem / wide bar combo didn't work too well for me while cornering. Went with a 710mm and a 90mm stem. The longer stem helps lay my weight forward at the turns so the front tire digs in and doesn't wash out.

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