• 12-08-2012
    fc
    First look at the $1200 Specialized Carbon 29er Wheels.
  • 12-09-2012
    Dan GSR
    really interested to hear how well these hold the bead
  • 12-09-2012
    Fix the Spade
    So Spesh have just gone and exploded the carbon wheel market, assuming they actually grip the tyres that is.

    If these make it to the UK at a sub £1000 price I'm having a set (direct conversion comes to £750-ish). Of course they won't, the way Spesh UK carries on I'll be surprised if they come in under £1200, but live in hope!
  • 12-09-2012
    jochribs
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dan GSR View Post
    really interested to hear how well these hold the bead

    Yes, and at lower than the stated minimum pressure of 25psi...
  • 12-09-2012
    twowheelfunman
    I might have the opportunity to buy a set of these as take offs. If they come on a bike will they have a 142+ hub that is defferent from these? Any way I could use them on a non 142+ bike?

    Thanks,
  • 12-09-2012
    bobgfish
    Official UK price is 900 pounds. I do not think they fit a normal 142 as they are 2mm further outboard than normal. (I guess some frames will work) But they are the same width. Not sure if you can swap endcaps as with a complete bike you get none.

    I have a set on my epic and rode them first time today. Tubeless with Specalized fasttrak tyres. All good so far and would like to try tubeless with some Maxxis Ikons but waiting till more people have used them with tubeless with different tyres.

    Time will tell how good they are.
  • 12-09-2012
    AOK
    My understanding is that the 142+ wheels will only fit 142+ Specialized frames.

    You have to get the 135mm model for use on non-Specialized bikes. (The 135 model can easily be converted to 142x12 by swapping end caps.)
  • 12-09-2012
    Fix the Spade
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AOK View Post
    My understanding is that the 142+ wheels will only fit 142+ Specialized frames.

    IIRC 142+ uses a standard DT Swiss 142mm axle, so they will fit any frame with a 142mm through axle back end.

    The Plus part refers to the chain line, the hub body is slightly (3mm I think) wider so the chain line is 3mm to the right and the wheel has slightly less dish.
  • 12-09-2012
    Fix the Spade
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bobgfish View Post
    Time will tell how good they are.

    Does the bead have any kind of hook to it or is it as flat as it looks in the photos?
  • 12-09-2012
    eurospek
    Interested in your ride reports. Price looks good, what kind of warranty on the rim itself?
  • 12-10-2012
    92gli
    Really really compelling deal considering the weight and the 240-ish rear hub. If tires stay seated these will be a huge hit.
  • 12-10-2012
    jochribs
    I know, exactly. Itching to hear how these do...
  • 12-10-2012
    davidcarson48
    Lifetime warranty against manufacture defects on the rims. Currently sold out at spesh.com anyways.
  • 12-10-2012
    fc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fix the Spade View Post
    Does the bead have any kind of hook to it or is it as flat as it looks in the photos?

    It is flat as can be!

    It's mounted and I'll ride it today at 20 psi.

    fc
  • 12-10-2012
    jochribs
    awesome
  • 12-10-2012
    joe_bloe
    Do these rims have a weight limit? Are they lightweight race-only wheels?
  • 12-10-2012
    92gli
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by joe_bloe View Post
    Do these rims have a weight limit? Are they lightweight race-only wheels?

    I think they're xc/trail/light all mountain wheels. 240 pound limit
  • 12-10-2012
    92gli
    So no pop at all when the tire seated ? The audio on the video cut off right when you started pumping.
  • 12-10-2012
    Appendage
    Hopefully a game-changer
    The $2k+ brands can't be thrilled about this. Hopefully they'll have to bring their prices down to earth.
  • 12-10-2012
    jochribs
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 92gli View Post
    So no pop at all when the tire seated ? The audio on the video cut off right when you started pumping.

    Yeah, that was a bit of a bummer. I'm gonna 'guess' that there would be a pop. I would think that has more to do with the tire snapping into place evenly than it does with there being a hook, but what do I know?

    I was figuring the sound went out to mute the explatives! LOL!:D
  • 12-10-2012
    neilgehrke
    Nice!...want.:thumbsup:
  • 12-10-2012
    Fix the Spade
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by francois View Post
    It is flat as can be!

    It's mounted and I'll ride it today at 20 psi.

    fc

    That is sincerely frightening!

    How do they stop the bead pulling off when you get a good side load on it? I've seen people rip tyres right off the rim with a good sideways landing, not having any kind of bead hook seems counter-intuitive to me.
  • 12-10-2012
    jochribs
    I'm really hoping that he has good news and then decides to go even lower with the pressure with good results again... Love a set of these if so.
  • 12-10-2012
    krispy@go-ride.com
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fix the Spade View Post
    That is sincerely frightening!

    How do they stop the bead pulling off when you get a good side load on it? I've seen people rip tires right off the rim with a good sideways landing, not having any kind of bead hook seems counter-intuitive to me.

    When No Tubes launched the Crest (followed by the Arch EX and the Flow EX) I was shocked by the tiny bead hook. The seat area (the corner that the tire sits in) is raised up so much that it SNAPS on super tight. I ran EX rims all summer at the enduro/ SD races with low pressure and hard cornering (for me at least) and had no issues. I pinched through 4 tires, EXO and Snake skin casings without damaging the hook. My guess is Spec took this shape to the next level.

    As mentioned in the vid, motorsports don't use a hook to hold the tires on. Obviously MX uses a bed lock. not sure about others.
  • 12-10-2012
    Dan GSR
    has a lot to do with tire pressure
    mx needs a bead lock because they run low pressures
  • 12-10-2012
    twowheelfunman
    All a MX bead lock does is keep the wheel from spinning inside the tire in case of a flat. MX tires have a crazy stiff sidewalls requiring looong metal irons to change. Those beads aren't popping off although the inside of a MX rim is pretty rough texture.
  • 12-10-2012
    fc
    I've ridden the wheels twice already and the feel stiffer than the old carbon rovals. Also I did the shiggy c-clamp test to try and break the seal.

    2013 Specialized Control 29 Carbon Wheels for $1200 | Mountain Bike Review
  • 12-11-2012
    jochribs
    This is awesome Francois! Any plan to try running them at lower pressure too?
  • 12-11-2012
    fc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jochribs View Post
    This is awesome Francois! Any plan to try running them at lower pressure too?

    Yes, I normally run at 22 psi. I'll run these as low as 18-19 psi in the next few weeks. Under that, they just get 'wallowy'.

    I find that burping tires occurs if you use a tire that is loose on the rim. One really needs a tire that is a tight fit on the rim where it is almost difficult to mount the tires without tire levers or using proper technique (centering the tire on the middle groove of the rim).

    fc
  • 12-11-2012
    fc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jochribs View Post
    Yeah, that was a bit of a bummer. I'm gonna 'guess' that there would be a pop. I would think that has more to do with the tire snapping into place evenly than it does with there being a hook, but what do I know?

    I was figuring the sound went out to mute the explatives! LOL!:D

    Yes, sorry about the audio. Remote senheiser mike failed!!

    And yes, it popped and snapped, just like normal. What surprised me is that this tire inflated with a floor pump. I didn't push the tire out to the sides and all that jibberish. I had a massive compressor ready but I just tried that floor pump for the heck of it. I guess it's all about fit.

    fc
  • 12-11-2012
    fc
    2 Attachment(s)
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fix the Spade View Post
    That is sincerely frightening!

    How do they stop the bead pulling off when you get a good side load on it? I've seen people rip tyres right off the rim with a good sideways landing, not having any kind of bead hook seems counter-intuitive to me.

    I think it's really about tire fit. Someone once told me that tubeless tires really seal more at the bottom of the bead and not at the sides.

    Here's a photo of the tire at max c-clamp force. I rocked it side to side and still could not break the seal.

    fc
  • 12-11-2012
    Fix the Spade
    Okay, then that's really quite impressive.
  • 12-11-2012
    TwoTone
    For the price does the rear hub already come with the 36 POE ratchet?
  • 12-11-2012
    fc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    For the price does the rear hub already come with the 36 POE ratchet?

    Yes, it does. I opened it up last night and took a look. Therse are the DT Swiss internals.

    <img src="http://brimages.bikeboardmedia.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/soc09-dt-swiss_21.jpg">

    Basically, these two plates are pressed together with a spring. Clockwise turn and they are engaged and counter-clockwise will allow it to ratchet. This is why the ratchet is so secure since it doesn't rely on tiny individual spring-loaded pawls to engage. These two plates lock together under pedaling and I can't see how it's going to slip or fail.

    fc
  • 12-11-2012
    fc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jochribs View Post
    Yes, and at lower than the stated minimum pressure of 25psi...

    Specialized does not state a minimum pressure of 25 psi (or any).

    I believe the reason is this is very dependent on rider weight, style, terrain and tire you use. Some will have a minimum of 20 and some at 30 psi. So they don't state a number. If you saw this 25 psi number somewhere, let us know.

    fc
  • 12-11-2012
    Dan GSR
    i'd be intersted how these do with schwalbe tires, those are my tire of choice
  • 12-11-2012
    etanc
    A step in the right direction in terms of carbon wheelset cost and it would be nice if the rims were available separately. Wonder if Specialized modified their tires in some way to work without the bead hook? Also, need to test with a heavier rider.
  • 12-11-2012
    NeonLeon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Interested in your ride reports. Price looks good, what kind of warranty on the rim itself?

    Limited lifetime! It's on the SBC website...
  • 12-11-2012
    fc
    A note about availability:

    They are already available on the Stumpjumper HT and Epic Marathon Specialized Bicycle Components and they will be available aftermarket by Christmas in the USA… supply will be tight at first but by February there will be decent stock.
  • 12-11-2012
    TwoTone
    Trying to justify this to myself, stock wheelset is only 1724g. Yes I know these are stiffer, but is that stiffness and .35 lbs worth $1200
  • 12-11-2012
    ryanhugh
    Any chance you'll try them on a rigid setup? Love to hear some feedback from anyone thats ran this, or another carbon wheel on a rigid bike.
  • 12-11-2012
    Appendage
    Apples-to-apples weight comparison with Control SL?
    So, including or excluding rim strips, skewers, stems, etc...what exactly is the weight difference compared with Control SL?
  • 12-11-2012
    NoahColorado
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by francois View Post
    A note about availability:

    They are already available on the Stumpjumper HT and Epic Marathon Specialized Bicycle Components and they will be available aftermarket by Christmas in the USA… supply will be tight at first but by February there will be decent stock.

    These have been at my local Specialized dealer for awhile, they had some in stock today. They've sold a half dozen sets or so. Pretty sweet deal IMO.
  • 12-11-2012
    fc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Appendage View Post
    So, including or excluding rim strips, skewers, stems, etc...what exactly is the weight difference compared with Control SL?

    This wheelset is 50 grams heavier than the old one at 1530 grams.

    Specialized Roval Control Trail SL 29er Carbon Wheels | Mountain Bike Review

    fc
  • 12-11-2012
    fc
    1 Attachment(s)
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ryanhugh View Post
    Any chance you'll try them on a rigid setup? Love to hear some feedback from anyone thats ran this, or another carbon wheel on a rigid bike.

    Why :)

    These will be fine. A little smoother on the vibrations and a little lower psi due to the wider internal rim width.

    fc
  • 12-11-2012
    tl1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by francois View Post
    It is flat as can be!

    It's mounted and I'll ride it today at 20 psi.

    fc

    Maybe that's why they are so affordable: Someone forgot to manufacture the rims with hooks for the beads, now they're selling it as a "feature". ;)
  • 12-11-2012
    Appendage
    Wow!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by francois View Post
    This wheelset is 50 grams heavier than the old one at 1530 grams.
    fc

    Thank you, Francois. For $500 less, 50 grams more. Dang!
  • 12-12-2012
    tl1
    Thanks for taking the time to post this and the video. I's a really interesting product at that price point. They are still too much money for my purposes but it's super good to see the price of light weight, carbon rimmed, great hubbed, high quality well built wheels coming down so much.
  • 12-12-2012
    arevinotion
    Yes, and at lower than the stated minimum pressure of 25psi
  • 12-18-2012
    semmiho
    Looks really cool! I wish I would have the alloy rimmed Roval Control 29, no matter that 100g penalty for me. :) However the decals not as simple as on the carbon version (I like the design of the carbon version more) but it's 700 USD. :)

    I'm looking forward to a long-term review of the carbon version, looks really promising!