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    Did Spesh Screw Me Over?: Warranty Rims

    Hi guys,

    2011 Stumpy 29'er Comp. Came with DT Swiss 450SL wheelset.

    I took it into a high end LBS for a tune-up and broken spoke repair. I get a call saying the nipples/rims are corroded and that they are going to warranty the wheelset no charge! So. I'm pretty stoked until I go pick up the bike and see these plain jane, no-name ugly black wheels. The only designation is the hub says "Stout". So I email them and they say that is what Spesh sent as a comparable replacement. I can't find much info on Spout wheels, and I don't know much about components; only that these new wheels look ugly and cheap.

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    I'd really appreciate some advice before I take this to the next level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelgtr View Post
    Hi guys,

    2011 Stumpy 29'er Comp. Came with DT Swiss 450SL wheelset.

    I took it into a high end LBS for a tune-up and broken spoke repair. I get a call saying the nipples/rims are corroded and that they are going to warranty the wheelset no charge! So. I'm pretty stoked until I go pick up the bike and see these plain jane, no-name ugly black wheels. The only designation is the hub says "Stout". So I email them and they say that is what Spesh sent as a comparable replacement. I can't find much info on Spout wheels, and I don't know much about components; only that these new wheels look ugly and cheap.

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    I'd really appreciate some advice before I take this to the next level.

    Thanks

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    Stout is a Specialized house brand/model.
    No matter the level, they are better than wheels that are failing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    Stout is a Specialized house brand/model.
    No matter the level, they are better than wheels that are failing.
    I appreciate that but I still need to know if the Stouts are cheaper components than the DT Swiss, meaning weight, bearing quality, etc. I don't see Stout wheelsets on the new Stumpy Comps! In fact, I don't see them on any new Bike!

    This was a 2K bike and I don't think these "Stouts" help the resale value!

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    The Roval Traverse are 650 a set and have Dt 350 ratchet rear hub internals with 24mm rim internal width and Dt SuperComp spokes. I'd look into paying the difference for an upgrade. See if you can get a deal. Stout SL appear to be only worth 225 a set. 425 for a set with star ratchets is still a good value.

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    Although the rims and skewer say DT Swiss,the hubs were famously weak and horrid, so you probably have better wheels now. Plus the DT 450 rims, while light, were maybe a bit weak for a Stumpy.

    So for no charge you did pretty well, I'd say. And stout is a dark and strong beer. I like dark and strong for wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelgtr View Post
    I appreciate that but I still need to know if the Stouts are cheaper components than the DT Swiss, meaning weight, bearing quality, etc. I don't see Stout wheelsets on the new Stumpy Comps! In fact, I don't see them on any new Bike!

    This was a 2K bike and I don't think these "Stouts" help the resale value!

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    Even though/if the new wheels are comparable to the old DTs, i agree with you on the resale value part. I'd at least go in and talk to the shop about some possible options.

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    Take a pic of these wheels and post them up. I am wondering if you got some of the lower priced Roval's. If you did, they might not be light, but they have wider rims than your 450's (21mm internal vs. 19mm) and are pretty easy to set up tubeless as well.

    Do they have the DT 9mm thru skewer on the front wheel?

    **I just clicked on the link in your first post, they aren't Rovals, but they 'appear' to have wider rims and low sidewall height. If so, these are definitely an improvement on what you had. Put some good sized volume tires on those things, run them tubeless, and realize that flashy doesn't equal good. DT stuff is awesome, but the lower pricepoint stuff that's stocked on bikes is just nothing special... with a good name.

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    So they replace a 3 year old wheelset that is well past the warranty and you're worried you got ripped off?

    Here's my advice, you want the old wheels, pay the shop to re-lace them.

    Stout hubs are Specialized inhouse hubs just like your old wheels, only difference is really is the rim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    So they replace a 3 year old wheelset that is well past the warranty and you're worried you got ripped off?

    Here's my advice, you want the old wheels, pay the shop to re-lace them.

    Stout hubs are Specialized inhouse hubs just like your old wheels, only difference is really is the rim.
    Yeah, I'm worried if I got a set of Hardrock wheels. I didn't ask for the warranty and wasn't given a chance to repair or upgrade. I appreciate the effort and just want to know what they put on there; same. better, or worse.

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    Re: Did Spesh Screw Me Over?: Warranty Rims

    Stouts came on enduros model 05'-07'

    I still have a pair going strong with 6,000 miles between 3 bikes.


    You got a more than fair shake.

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    You got a new low end wheelset and gave up an old beat up out-of-warranty low end wheelset - for free. The shop probably swapped over your cassette, rims, rotors, tires for free? I'd say no, you did not get screwed. You got taken care of very well. Thank them....sincerely.

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    I'm surprised they warrantied the wheels as well. Typically that wouldn't be a warranty item, 3 years out.

    On a different note, most (good) wheel builders won't re-use spokes and some wheel builders won't re-use rims. So re-lacing your old hubs would get expensive fast. Figure $50 per rim, $50 in labor per wheel and $50 in spokes/nipples. $300 to rebuild your wheels, and that's on the low end.

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    this exact thing just happened to a buddy. same bike (expert i think), same stout wheel.

    He had the rovals though.

    He took it back and said, not a chance (stout was way heavier than his stock roval) and they apologized and exchanged it for a roval.

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    I initially was going to say "yes" simply based on your thread title, as it is Specialized, but after examination, I think this is fair for a 3 year old bike.
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    The DT Swiss wheels that came on your stumpy comp are heavy and nothing special. The new ones they gave you might not look as cool, but at least they work and are probably around the same weight.
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    FWIW Getting anything for a 3 year old set of wheels is in your favor.
    2 Years is the normal warranty period IIRC.
    Myself I would be happy I can ride again and start saving up for a new set of wheels I want these should keep you rolling.
    I think Specialized went the extra mile for you I would be Great full.
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    Thanks again, All

    I was a little freaked out when I picked up the Bike but y'all have made me feel better


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    I'm half surprised they would replace a wheel, period. After 100 miles of riding they could be messed up due to abuse. I always thought a wheel was a wear item when it came to warranty claims? I'd say they hooked you up big time since the wheels were 2+ years old and you didn't pay a penny! If you came in to my shop complaining about the free wheel swap, I'd pull them off your bike and tell you to get lost

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    Did they give you your old wheels back or are they on the bike shop mechanics bike now?


    Do you know how the weights compare?

    Get some cool stickers for your new wheels to make them look more expensive


    Lesson: Fix your own sh1t. A broken spoke leads to a complete 2 wheel replacement? Something doesn't sound right about that.

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    No, they said they had to turn them in.

    I'd like to know the weight difference but can't seem to find the specs.

    I agree, I thought maybe they had a bad batch that were corroded for some reason. I was surprised when they called and said they had already ordered them at no charge 3 years later. If I had to do it again, I would have just fixed it but the consensus here is that I made out

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    OP got lucky.

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    I had the DT Swiss 450SL wheelset on my 2011 Epic 29er. I had problems with several nipples breaking, and the HiBlo freehub failed, so I rebuilt the wheelset with an XT 142 rear hub and new spokes/nipples. While rebuilding them I weighed the rims and they actually weigh 490g! The hubs were about the same weight as XT hubs.

    Normally broken spokes are considered "wear and tear" and not covered under warranty. I would continue buying bikes from that shop!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillTheGreat View Post
    I had the DT Swiss 450SL wheelset on my 2011 Epic 29er. I had problems with several nipples breaking, and the HiBlo freehub failed, so I rebuilt the wheelset with an XT 142 rear hub and new spokes/nipples. While rebuilding them I weighed the rims and they actually weigh 490g! The hubs were about the same weight as XT hubs.


    Normally broken spokes are considered "wear and tear" and not covered under warranty. I would continue buying bikes from that shop!
    Thanks, Will

    Is 490g considered light or heavy? That's the info I was looking for.

    Again, the shop said there was heavy corrosion throughout the rim/spokes.

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    You came out fine. Your original wheelset had low-end "custom" DT Swiss 450 rims and Specialized brand "Hi-Lo" hubs. The Stout hub is another Specialized model. You never had DT Swiss hubs...

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    Only thing i would check is if the stout rims are tubeless ready. I also had a stumpy 11 fsr 29, but the rims i got were 520SL and they were tubeless ready. maybe that is a feature you can ask them if the new rims don't have this feature. otherwise i think they it was a pretty good replacement, they use the stout for the single speed carve so they must be pretty tough wheels.

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    Guys,

    Would the Roval Control 29 be a huge upgrade from the DT Swiss or Stouts?

    Also, is the 490 gram/rim considered light or heavy for the DT Swiss/

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    Here are some rim weights for comparison. You can look at the 29er or 700C (which are the same size).

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    Thanks, Steve

    Any thoughts on these as far as an upgrade (weight wise)?

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    Spesh has offered to upgrade me to the Rovals for $250.00

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    Should I take the deal?

    Thanks for all the help and apologies for coming off so harsh!

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    I know you were asking Steve, but I'll chime in. You'll be happy with those wheels. The weight's not bad, and you have wider rim width and easy tubeless set up. In my experience, Stan's rims, Roval rims, and Specialized tires are some of the easiest, least fussy rims/tires to set up tubeless. I consistently mount tires tubeless with just a floor pump. And they seal very easily too.

    I'd go for those if you like them. You'll feel a difference.

    **I just saw your next post after I posted mine...jump at that deal...

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    That's a tuff one. You can usually buy take offs for a little more. For example, I just sold my stock TBc wheels, DT Swiss 350 hubs WTB I19 Rims for $350, which I think are a better wheelset.

    You're spending $250 to go from a low end wheelset to a middle of the road set.

    I'd personally save up and get a better wheelset. The wheels are one of the best upgrades you can make and you might as well do it right vs. 1/2 way. As long as you get convertible hubs, those wheels can move to any new bike you get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    That's a tuff one. You can usually buy take offs for a little more. For example, I just sold my stock TBc wheels, DT Swiss 350 hubs WTB I19 Rims for $350, which I think are a better wheelset.

    You're spending $250 to go from a low end wheelset to a middle of the road set.

    I'd personally save up and get a better wheelset. The wheels are one of the best upgrades you can make and you might as well do it right vs. 1/2 way. As long as you get convertible hubs, those wheels can move to any new bike you get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelgtr View Post
    Thanks,

    What would be the next jump up without breaking the bank?

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    490 is light for an AM rim, and not surprising for an xc rim. my crests were 400 but they are considered on the light XC side. My old VXC's were 540 I think. Eyelets usually add a bit of weight but are possibly worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by finch2 View Post
    490 is light for an AM rim, and not surprising for an xc rim. my crests were 400 but they are considered on the light XC side. My old VXC's were 540 I think. Eyelets usually add a bit of weight but are possibly worth it.
    If the Rovals are as light, I would probably do the deal. The reason I was upset was mainly about weight. I know important rotational weight is. Hard to find that spec for the Rovals.

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    Get the wheels and RIDE them, Bob. Spec is offering you wheels at BELOW cost. Or keep pressing Specialized...maybe they'll just give you some Carbon Controls...

    Whether or not the Rovals Spec is offering you are a few grams lighter or heavier, they are better wheels and they are going to change how your bike feels, how your tires feel, and you can very easily go tubeless is if you so desire.

    If you are concerned about rotational weight, run your tires tubeless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jochribs View Post
    Get the wheels and RIDE them, Bob. Spec is offering you wheels at BELOW cost. Or keep pressing Specialized...maybe they'll just give you some Carbon Controls...

    Whether or not the Rovals Spec is offering you are a few grams lighter or heavier, they are better wheels and they are going to change how your bike feels, how your tires feel, and you can very easily go tubeless is if you so desire.

    If you are concerned about rotational weight, run your tires tubeless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelgtr View Post
    Thanks, Will

    Is 490g considered light or heavy? That's the info I was looking for.

    Again, the shop said there was heavy corrosion throughout the rim/spokes.

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    490g is definitely heavy for an XC rim. It is low-end for DT Swiss, and not as good as their aftermarket rims. I use them for training and they have proven durable, but they are heavy for XC rims. They are basically AM weight in an XC width.

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    Thanks, Will

    Going for the Roval upgrade

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    Just read your post. Consider yourself lucky that the bike shop replaced your wheel. I have an 8 month old $3K bike and the rear rim was damaged during a very casual ride. Took it back to my LBS. No replacement. Not even a break on the repair. It was tubeless and the LBS just put a tube in it. BTW, it was a DT Swiss rim and wheel set. Talked to the bike rep and he said there was no warranty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmoore View Post
    Just read your post. Consider yourself lucky that the bike shop replaced your wheel. I have an 8 month old $3K bike and the rear rim was damaged during a very casual ride. Took it back to my LBS. No replacement. Not even a break on the repair. It was tubeless and the LBS just put a tube in it. BTW, it was a DT Swiss rim and wheel set. Talked to the bike rep and he said there was no warranty.
    Your situation is different, you damaged the wheel riding. If you read the OP he was getting a spoke replaced, not sure if he was paying or not, but when the shop saw all the nipples were corroded they replaced the wheels.
    I'm sure the shop saw that as a defective, not the same as user damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Your situation is different, you damaged the wheel riding. If you read the OP he was getting a spoke replaced, not sure if he was paying or not, but when the shop saw all the nipples were corroded they replaced the wheels.
    I'm sure the shop saw that as a defective, not the same as user damage.
    That's exactly what the bike shop guys told me. They also told me my $3k bike came with cheap wheels and wheel sets. This was 8 months after I bought the bike from them. No mention of this before I laid out the cash. All of which is clearly my fault for not doing my homework. But, some bike manufacturers will stand by their products better than others, no matter the cause. Trek replaced one of my rims two years after I bought the bike without question. They didn't use "rider damage" as an excuse. Not so with my latest bike purchase. Obviously not a Trek.

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    I do feel lucky and apologize again to the group for coming off bratty.


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    [QUOTE=steelgtr;10660093]I do feel lucky and apologize again to the group for coming off bratty.

    No need to apologize. I was just trying to let you know it could have been much worse. I've had it with local bike shops not standing by what they sell to ignorant customers like me. I'm sure others will post replies that I am indeed ignorant. But if I can't trust the owner of a LBS, who can I trust ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmoore View Post
    That's exactly what the bike shop guys told me. They also told me my $3k bike came with cheap wheels and wheel sets. This was 8 months after I bought the bike from them. No mention of this before I laid out the cash. All of which is clearly my fault for not doing my homework. But, some bike manufacturers will stand by their products better than others, no matter the cause. Trek replaced one of my rims two years after I bought the bike without question. They didn't use "rider damage" as an excuse. Not so with my latest bike purchase. Obviously not a Trek.
    Excuse? really, just consider yourself lucky when you get taken care off and don't ***** when a shop doesn't because it was your fault.

    Your Trek probably came with their inhouse wheels, depending on what bike you have now, the wheels might not be theirs. I had a hub go bad on my Felt, it was a Shimano wheel so not Felts problem. I contact Shimano and they took care of it.
    I doubt your wheels are cheap, but it's a 3k bike, it isn't going to come a $800 wheelset.

    I have a $5500 bike and still upgraded to a better wheelset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelgtr View Post
    I do feel lucky and apologize again to the group for coming off bratty.


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    No worries, you're probably one of the only people in the free world that the big ess didn't screw over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmoore View Post
    That's exactly what the bike shop guys told me. They also told me my $3k bike came with cheap wheels and wheel sets. This was 8 months after I bought the bike from them. No mention of this before I laid out the cash. All of which is clearly my fault for not doing my homework. But, some bike manufacturers will stand by their products better than others, no matter the cause. Trek replaced one of my rims two years after I bought the bike without question. They didn't use "rider damage" as an excuse. Not so with my latest bike purchase. Obviously not a Trek.
    You throw down $3k on a bike without looking into what kind of components it has? Sorry, can't blame that one on the bike shop or company. Clearly states on their site AND you can actually see it first hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty $anchez View Post
    No worries, you're probably one of the only people in the free world that the big ess didn't screw over.
    I have issues with the business tactics of the soul-less company that is Spec, but when it comes to customer service, it has always been top notch in my experience.

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