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    Good job! Currently Riding 1x10 with Sram XX1 crankset and Sram X0 Type 2 10 speed rear derail

    Hey guys,

    I just wanted to confirm that you can absolutely run the new sram xx1 crankset with an entire sram 10 speed drive train.

    Currently running:
    Sram XX1 crankset
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    Sram X0 type 2 rear derailleur (medium cage)
    PC-1071 hollow pin chain
    Shimano XT 11-36 cassette (more cogs on alloy carrier)

    Have about 100 miles on this setup and it has not failed once. My old sram xx would occasionally drop a chain in the chunky stuff, but this xx1 stuff is the bomb.

    I wouldn't waste my time posting this, but I know alot of guys (including myself) don't want to throw $400+ at a cassette and then still need a 11 speed shifter, rear derailleur, chain, and hub body.

    Yes, you are giving up some gearing. But it is nice and silent and shaves about 0.75 lbs off your bike. I am currently testing a 32 and 34 tooth to see which I prefer. I never was 100% satisfied with the 2x10 offerings from sram and I think this will be the ticket until we see some 11 speed x0 parts trickle down.

    I will probably end up on a full xx1 group down the road, but this is an easy way to give the whole 1x10or11 a try.


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    Good to know!

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    Thanks for the info. My wife is interested in a new hardtail with a little more versatility than a single speed, but still fairly simple. We have been talking about 1x10 and I was thinking the XX1 crank could be good for that.

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    I'm going to be running much the same on my wife's new Air9 RDO that I'm building up as a play bike for her.

    But I am getting a friend to machine up a couple of spiders that will fit on our X0 cranks that we have many of & just use the XX1 front rings.

    Then I will use the 10 speed setup with Type 2 rear Derailleur.

    I'm loving the full XX1 on my bike.
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    Machining spiders?

    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    I'm going to be running much the same on my wife's new Air9 RDO that I'm building up as a play bike for her.

    But I am getting a friend to machine up a couple of spiders that will fit on our X0 cranks that we have many of & just use the XX1 front rings.

    Then I will use the 10 speed setup with Type 2 rear Derailleur.

    I'm loving the full XX1 on my bike.

    Would LOVE to see someone machine up a spider for the Cannondale hollowgram cranks that would allow me to use a XX1 front chainring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    I'm going to be running much the same on my wife's new Air9 RDO that I'm building up as a play bike for her.

    But I am getting a friend to machine up a couple of spiders that will fit on our X0 cranks that we have many of & just use the XX1 front rings.

    Then I will use the 10 speed setup with Type 2 rear Derailleur.

    I'm loving the full XX1 on my bike.
    The XX1 spider would bolt up to any SRAM carbon cranks with a removable spider. I don't know if SRAM has or wants to sell them though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by krispy@go-ride.com View Post
    The XX1 spider would bolt up to any SRAM carbon cranks with a removable spider. I don't know if SRAM has or wants to sell them though.
    Yes I know that, I have taken the spider off my XX1 cranks & getting my friend to make some.

    The GXP & BB30 are not the same.
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    It would be cool if someone made chainrings to fit a 104 BCD
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    @ Something Clever...How about pics of your setup? How is the chainline?

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    What about the other way round? 11 spd cassette and triple crank at the front with 11 spd chain?

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    I don't get it. Why buy a $300 crank and an extra $100 ring when you could have just run some kind of chain retention device for $100 or less ?

    You're not even using the 30t or 28t rings, which is the one feature of this crank I can get behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    Yes I know that, I have taken the spider off my XX1 cranks & getting my friend to make some.

    The GXP & BB30 are not the same.
    How much would your friend charge to make me one too? Looking for a XX1 spider so I can convert my XO BB30 cranks.

    PM me if you think he would do it.

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    Thank you, Something Clever...!! I plan on doing this set up but wasn't sure if it'll work. That's good to know I can use my current setup including the 10spd chain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Something Clever... View Post
    Hey guys,

    I just wanted to confirm that you can absolutely run the new sram xx1 crankset with an entire sram 10 speed drive train.

    Currently running:
    Sram XX1 crankset
    Sram XX shifter / brakes
    Sram X0 type 2 rear derailleur (medium cage)
    PC-1071 hollow pin chain
    Shimano XT 11-36 cassette (more cogs on alloy carrier)

    Have about 100 miles on this setup and it has not failed once. My old sram xx would occasionally drop a chain in the chunky stuff, but this xx1 stuff is the bomb.

    I wouldn't waste my time posting this, but I know alot of guys (including myself) don't want to throw $400+ at a cassette and then still need a 11 speed shifter, rear derailleur, chain, and hub body.

    Yes, you are giving up some gearing. But it is nice and silent and shaves about 0.75 lbs off your bike. I am currently testing a 32 and 34 tooth to see which I prefer. I never was 100% satisfied with the 2x10 offerings from sram and I think this will be the ticket until we see some 11 speed x0 parts trickle down.

    I will probably end up on a full xx1 group down the road, but this is an easy way to give the whole 1x10or11 a try.

    Btw, which one do you have? 156 or 168Q?

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    Just marking my place. Thanks for the info OP.

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    Just marking my place. Thanks for the info OP.

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    What chain are you running?

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    Interest in XX1 spider

    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    Yes I know that, I have taken the spider off my XX1 cranks & getting my friend to make some.

    The GXP & BB30 are not the same.
    I've got a GXP Truvativ XO carbon crankset and would love to try out one of your spiders for use with an XX1 chainring. How long before you have some?

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    running pc-1071 chain and q168 (wider of the two) crankset.

    i have swapped over to a 34 tooth and like it for the fire roads i use for training.

    i am going to be using this setup at southern cross as prep for cohutta 100. hoping the 34 tooth is not too tall for the climbs and not too short on the fire road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Giant View Post
    Would LOVE to see someone machine up a spider for the Cannondale hollowgram cranks that would allow me to use a XX1 front chainring.
    Here it is:
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    Having hard time seeing any advantage to XX1 crankset for this setup vs. a XO w/MRP BlingRing..given the later is surely lighter, has great chainline and very stiff. Can someone enlighten me?

    Also - can anyone reading this thread confirm (ie has tried it) a short cage Type 2 has capacity for a 32t front ring (single) and a 11-36 w/o clunking?

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    A short cage type 2 derailleur can absolutely handle a 32 tooth ring with an 11-36 cassette without issue; that's exactly the setup that I run.

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    Reasoning

    Do you have to run a chain guide with the BlingRing? If so I would think the weights would even out. The other advantage is you can run a 28 or 30 front.

    Also the cost of the XX1 Crankset is $260. XO crankset is $431 plus $70 for the Bling Ring. So you are paying twice as much and that doesn't even include a chain guide. Seems like a no brainer to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by islander View Post
    Having hard time seeing any advantage to XX1 crankset for this setup vs. a XO w/MRP BlingRing..given the later is surely lighter, has great chainline and very stiff. Can someone enlighten me?

    Also - can anyone reading this thread confirm (ie has tried it) a short cage Type 2 has capacity for a 32t front ring (single) and a 11-36 w/o clunking?

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    With a clutch deraileur, it's debateable whether you need guide on a BlingRing.... and street pricing on an XO crankset shows they can be had for sub $300. Better still get the X9 for cheap and you're still ahead on weight.

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    The XX1 is available online from at least two different stores for 240 or slightly less and prices will continue to drop. Jenson will match those prices. I'd sell what you have and buy the whole kit. Besides cost and the twist version ghost shifting I haven't read a complaint yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hartwerks View Post
    A short cage type 2 derailleur can absolutely handle a 32 tooth ring with an 11-36 cassette without issue; that's exactly the setup that I run.
    How about a 34T ring with a 11-36 cassette with a type 2 short cage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackattack View Post
    How about a 34T ring with a 11-36 cassette with a type 2 short cage?
    I don't think it matters that your front ring is larger. You might need a longer chain, but the front ring doesn't affect dérailleur capacity in a single ring setup.

    Your derailleur must handle a capacity of (front largest - front smallest) + (rear largest - rear smallest). For a single ring with 11/36 cassette this is 25T.


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    to op are you running shimano dyna sys cassette as i would like to run xtr with xx0 type 2 short cage derailleur but do not want any shifting problems thanks in advance

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    Anybody try the 2013 XT rear w/ clutch with the XX1 crank/chainrings. I am thinking about going from 2x10 with heavy stock cranks and going with XX1 cranks. Does the SRAM type 2 provide more tension than the XT w/ clutch?

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    Well the XX1 cranks have been shipped so I guess I will find out. It will be 1x10 with XX1 cranks and a 2013 Shimano XT RD w/ clutch. I'm not planning on running a chain retention device for mostly XC riding.

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    I have been running xx1 cranks with a SRAM X9 type 2 on my Air 9 for a couple of months now. No chain retention device and I ride mostly XC. I have not even came close to dropping the chain. I used to run RaceFace Evolve with a bashguard and N-stop and if I removed the N-stop I would drop the chain often. This set up is very quiet and shifts smooth with a KMC chain and SRAM cassette.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooclosetosee View Post
    Well the XX1 cranks have been shipped so I guess I will find out. It will be 1x10 with XX1 cranks and a 2013 Shimano XT RD w/ clutch. I'm not planning on running a chain retention device for mostly XC riding.
    I have the exact same setup coming in the mail. I went with the Shimano RD because it seems their clutch is adjustable so you can control the tension to some degree. It also seems that Type 2 may still have some bugs to iron out:
    SRAM type 2 derailleur issues

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machianera View Post
    You can buy it here:

    LEONARDI RACING Spider LK76 für Cannondale Hollowgram Sram XX1 schwar

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    I have a brand new GXP xx1 spider w/32t ring that I'm looking to trade for the BB30 version of the same...Would possibly be interested in a slightly smaller ring say a 30t also...Let me know if anyone has anthing...

    ***Some background...Bought the gxp xx1 Cranks for my SS...Pulled off the xx1 spider and ring and put a bling ring on...Want to try the xx1 spider and ring on my FS that has XO cranks but it's the BB30 version***

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    yea, I will also be running with a long cage RD. I guess I will see how that works. I might have to get a shorter cage if I get chain drops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by needajob View Post
    I have been running xx1 cranks with a SRAM X9 type 2 on my Air 9 for a couple of months now. No chain retention device and I ride mostly XC. I have not even came close to dropping the chain. I used to run RaceFace Evolve with a bashguard and N-stop and if I removed the N-stop I would drop the chain often. This set up is very quiet and shifts smooth with a KMC chain and SRAM cassette.
    I'm in the process of building an Air9 RDO and plan to go with 1x10 setup. Will the XX1 Crankset work with a PF30 BB? Looking at SRAM site, looks like only GXP or BB30?

    Also wanted to confirm the XX1 Rings work good with a regular KMC 10 spd chain (X10SL)?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by needajob View Post
    I have been running xx1 cranks with a SRAM X9 type 2 on my Air 9 for a couple of months now. No chain retention device and I ride mostly XC. I have not even came close to dropping the chain.
    If you want a cheap 1x10 a Shimano ZEE with a 32t Surly singlespeed chainring works very good and you get 95% of SRAM XX1 quality for less money.

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    BB30 and PF30 use the same cranks. Just dif bb methods to get the same results. I don't see why using any 10 speed chain wouldn't work.

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    Yea, in my situation I am getting carbon cranks and a SS specific ring for 325 to upgrade over my stock x7 level cranks. I already have an xt with clutch. Made sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooclosetosee View Post
    BB30 and PF30 use the same cranks. Just dif bb methods to get the same results. I don't see why using any 10 speed chain wouldn't work.
    That's great news then! I wonder why SRAM doesn't list PF30 as an option at their site? For the X9, XO, and XX Cranksets they have this note:

    Available in the following bottom bracket configurations: PF30, BB30, GXP and GXP PF

    But for the XX1 Crankset they only list two BB's?

    Bottom Bracket BB30, GXP

    I guess the XX1 11 spd chain is only necessary when using the XX1 cassette?

    Thanks

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    I'm guessing that's because the X9, X0, XX cranks often include the BB where the XX1 does not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DerBergschreck View Post
    If you want a cheap 1x10 a Shimano ZEE with a 32t Surly singlespeed chainring works very good and you get 95% of SRAM XX1 quality for less money.
    I have X9 type 2 with 32T niner SS ring. I had put it 200 miles with this setup on my hardtail and finally over the weekend, I dropped the chain doing 27 mph on a rocky/bumpy (3-5" stutter bumps). Are the teeth on the Surly SS ring same height as the XX1's? The only reason why the XX1's are not dropping chain is because of the height of the teeth ( I think ).

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    Currently Riding 1x10 with Sram XX1 crankset and Sram X0 Type 2 10 speed rear d

    XX1 ring tooth profile is proprietary- unlike all the other ss rings

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tjay View Post
    Are the teeth on the Surly SS ring same height as the XX1's? The only reason why the XX1's are not dropping chain is because of the height of the teeth ( I think ).
    Have non SRAM ring here to compare. The secret are high teeth an a snug fit of a 10speed chain on the thick teeth. I rode some bumpy trails on a rigid bike and didn't loose the chain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by islander View Post
    XX1 ring tooth profile is proprietary- unlike all the other ss rings
    Calling your bluff... show me proof (patent).

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    Quote Originally Posted by islander View Post
    XX1 ring tooth profile is proprietary- unlike all the other ss rings
    If fact.... I got a $100 for you if you can find one.

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    Currently Riding 1x10 with Sram XX1 crankset and Sram X0 Type 2 10 speed rear d

    This poster makes 1x rings, so it's in his interest not to get sued. Go ahead copy the sram tech, see what happens.
    http://bb.nsmb.com/showthread.php?p=2716454#post2716454

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    I was told gxp spider fits bb30 arms. I guess not, as you would have tried that.

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    I have been running XX1 cranks with XTR+ rear mech. I don't think I'll need chain guide with the rear mech but time will tell. Other than that, the drivetrain is completely silent and shifting is flawless. It works just like a dream, so smooooooth
    Here is a pic what I'm running:

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