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    What is the weight for the tubeless ready 29 the page say tubeless compatible but don't specify if that the complete weight

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    Quote Originally Posted by yourdaguy View Post
    What do you use to get the mold of the shape of the good section so you can form the missing section? Looks like some kind of plastic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    1st, the prowheelbuilder calculator is garbage.
    They should fix it or take it down.
    Ideally your spokes should end between the bottom of the slot and the end of the nipple.
    That is the type answer I wanted to hear. I noticed when calculating using it, that it rounded up and down. It seems good because it does a lot of things for you, but it did worry me somewhat. I am sure my wheels will be fine, but each spoke has extra sticking out which will serve no purpose other an a little bit more rotating weight.

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    LB has a page now on all hub options:
    the more detail about hubs ( MTB hub and road hub ) Light-Bicycle

    I ordered my wheels right before they decided to offer Hope hubs and asked Nancy for a custom build with my own hubs. I was traveling to China, so bought a set of Hope hubs in US and shipped to Nancy after I got there. For the trouble I took, I saved about us$20 compared to LB's price with Hope hubs. I paid us$550 including shipping, PayPal fees and some extra spokes/nibbles.

    BTW total weight is 1580g. Front is 725g. Also Nancy has been really helpful and replied quickly to my questions as this is my first time building a bike myself and it will be my first 29er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigwheelsRbest View Post
    May I ask what you paid and how you ordered them?
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    For a special build with Hope hubs, your best option is to contact LB at sales@light-bicycle.com. Most likely Nancy will reply.

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    Tossing my comments in before riding them tomorrow :-D

    Got some of the new-process all mountain wide rims from Light Bicycle last month...had my LBS replace my Crest rims on King hubs with them and just got them back today. The shop had built up several of the older ones before and said these were very true and very straight, unlike some previous examples.

    My other rims are Crest, Arch and Enve (pre-UST); these are by far the easiest tubeless set up I've had so far and that's with Racing Ralphs that have been finicky in the past. Using two strips of wide Stan's tape and a little help from a compressor I had both tires mounted and sealed in under fifteen minutes. Both stayed on the bead hook when I took out the core to fill them with sealant, so I think the UST shape is holding pretty well.

    My Enve rims take two or three layers of tape plus the Bontrager strips; they're already heavier than the Crest or Chinese rims and up there with the Crests when I'm done. Love the way the Enve's ride especially on a hard tail though; I'm hoping tomorrow is a cross between the road bike spin of the Crests plus the stiff, damped ride of the Enve's :-D

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    The ENVE "valley" is deep and the bead is pronounced which makes them harder to set up tubeless but you get a really positive pop when the bead goes on, the "valley" on the LB rims is very shallow, the bead rib is non existent and can be set up easily with a track pump but the pop is weak and if you push the bead/tyre side at low pressures there's an air loss.
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    There are 2 designs of ENVE the old and the new. The old were very hard to keep tires in tubeless requiring much taping, etc. the new are designed to run tubeless if desired. Pretty much the rims made in the last year are the new design.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlian View Post
    BigWheel,

    For a special build with Hope hubs, your best option is to contact LB at sales@light-bicycle.com. Most likely Nancy will reply.
    Has anyone else bought the rims built onto Hope Pro2 Evo hubs???

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    The ENVE "valley" is deep and the bead is pronounced which makes them harder to set up tubeless but you get a really positive pop when the bead goes on, the "valley" on the LB rims is very shallow, the bead rib is non existent and can be set up easily with a track pump but the pop is weak and if you push the bead/tyre side at low pressures there's an air loss.
    Mine are pre-UST, and the pop isn't that confident despite the Bontrager strips. Part of that is the XC rims are narrow, so I don't think the Bontrager strips really get the chance to make their full outer channels for the bead.

    Have no idea what the UST Enve rims are like; I've heard they're better but I assume that's what you're talking about.

    These are way, way better. I run as low pressure as I can get away with; I pushed on it and they won't burp. At zero psi for sealant it didn't come off the bead hook, which is more than I can say for my Enve's.

    Anyway, rode them today and they're exactly what I was hoping for. A little more vertically compliant than the Enve's but super stiff and damped, plus wider. Transformed my Ti hardtail, I'm really impressed and can't wait to try this on my Tallboy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigwheelsRbest View Post
    Has anyone else bought the rims built onto Hope Pro2 Evo hubs???
    Just purchased a set. Have not arrived yet.
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    (Cheap) Chinese Carbon Rims?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taranis View Post
    Just purchased a set. Have not arrived yet.
    I looked at their website a while back.
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    Thus far I have nothing but great things to say about the rims. Lightweight and right on the money as to advertised weight. Me and a friend bought 2 sets and the weights were all within about 10 grams, around 388 to 398 grams. They build up VERY true and tight. I used Stans tape only and tubeless valve stems. They pump up easily with an air compressor, pop into place nicely. They ride great and have transformed my bike along with the XX1 group. My bike is one LB lighter now which is very noticeable.
    The rims are stiffer than the notubes Arches they replaced, they are lighter, and wider also. Well worth the money. I will be buying another set to swap out on another set of wheels that I have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    I looked at their website a while back.


    I forgot to quote the person I was answering...

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    (Cheap) Chinese Carbon Rims?

    Well, I rode through a tight, wet, small rock, stream ditch and came out with a puncture. I was following a strong local rider on a foreign trail and thought the worse; crushed the sidewall.

    Turns out, it was only a puncture. Threw a canister of air in and it deflated quick. Local rider said "follow me, we'll take the shortcut back to the lot". The shortcut turned into a mile of single track and a mile of road. The tire was empty by the time we hit the road and I was riding the rim downhill at 15+mph.

    Tire stayed seated and performed. Dead flat.

    Thanks LB and Bontrager rim strips.

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    Heya, did you all see some cheaper carbon rims showing up on fleabay?

    I don't think I would throw down any cash for a carbon rim other than Light-Bicycle AM 29er rims, but it's nice to see some more competition in this field. Maybe it will bring the LB prices down a bit...

    Well, heck... they are pretty dang cheap as it is, for as good as they are. I'm not complaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot View Post
    Heya, did you all see some cheaper carbon rims showing up on fleabay?

    I don't think I would throw down any cash for a carbon rim other than Light-Bicycle AM 29er rims, but it's nice to see some more competition in this field. Maybe it will bring the LB prices down a bit...

    Well, heck... they are pretty dang cheap as it is, for as good as they are. I'm not complaining.
    No link? Or, how's about a seller or brand so at least we can go check out what specific "cheap carbon rims" you're talking about?

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    Does anyone know if the new Factor series of hubs by Novatec will be an option for LB wheel builds when they are released? I saw them here and with 90 or 96 POE they might be a good option if it didn't raise the overall price too much.

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    On another note, when will U.S. distribution/warranty be available?

    Edit: Does anyone think the hookless rim design could help solve the problem of rims cracking from hitting rocks when running at low pressure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by michael1 View Post
    Does anyone know if the new Factor series of hubs by Novatec will be an option for LB wheel builds when they are released? I saw them here and with 90 or 96 POE they might be a good option if it didn't raise the overall price too much.

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    On another note, when will U.S. distribution/warranty be available?

    Edit: Does anyone think the hookless rim design could help solve the problem of rims cracking from hitting rocks when running at low pressure?
    In the time you posted here you could have emailed light-bicycle and asked them directly.
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    ^I did that as well.

    Also, I don't have the email of the person who was posting a few months ago about starting a U.S. distribution center, though I suppose I could send him a PM since I don't know if he still follows this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michael1 View Post
    ^I did that as well.

    Also, I don't have the email of the person who was posting a few months ago about starting a U.S. distribution center, though I suppose I could send him a PM since I don't know if he still follows this thread.
    Let us know what Nancy says about this. I would be interested in a set with the higher Poe hubs. Thanks
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    I just wanted to give some good rep to Nancy at Light Bicycle. I broke a nipple and reached out to her for some extras, including some spokes, just in case I have future problems. She was great. I also had a bracket issue with a seatpost. Originally, I did not hear back but we circled around again when talking about the spokes. She was very helpful again and is sending me the part that broke.

    I will be ordering a set of road wheels before long from them.

    Also, FWIW, the mountain wheels seem to be holding up quite well. I have them on a hardtail and I'm not exactly gentle with them. They appear to take the hits quite well. I only have about 120miles on them but some of those miles were over bony new england rock Pete

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    >Does anyone know if the new Factor series of hubs by Novatec will be an option for LB wheel builds when they are released?

    Well hopefully they will be a better design than the 882 hub which again (see my previous posts) completely failed on me in the backcountry due to a total flaw in its design.

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    What is the design flaw? Do you have pics? Is the flaw only with the 882 or is it in the other commonly specced hub as well?

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    Search my old posts in this thread for more details, but basic situation was that the freehub mechanism is only press fit into the hub body with no mechanical locking ie no pins. I looked up the drawings (might be posted) and it was clear there was nothing other than a press fit holding it. So eventually mine just started turning in the hub when pedalling, like a clutch slipping. I have no idea if any of their other hubs new or old are designed this way. I got about half a season out of it when it failed with no warning and cut short a 6 hour ride, thankfully we were on the climb and I was mostly able to coast out. I weigh 200 lbs and ride a 20/36 gear (on a 29) and do a lot of climbing, but seriously doubt I was putting more torque through it than any other large individual or powerful cyclist. It seems like tall gear sprinting would put more load into it than a climbing gear. Either way it doesn't matter, its a time bomb waiting to happen. If I didn't post the drawing, go to Novatec's site and look it up, they have the pdf posted. Then check out the hub you want to buy and see if it is the same design. I sent them a short email of course but didnt' hear anything (wasn't looking for compensation, just informing them). I've been running a Hope II since then with no problems.

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    For those with the wide AM rims, what is a better option for going tubeless, the Bontrager Rhythm Strips or just stans yellow tape? If Stans would the 25mm tape be better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauffy View Post
    For those with the wide AM rims, what is a better option for going tubeless, the Bontrager Rhythm Strips or just stans yellow tape? If Stans would the 25mm tape be better?
    I can't say enough about using gorilla tape. Cheap, super strong and I have not had a problem with any of the wheelsets I have done. Been doing it this way for a few years now. I think it cost me three bucks to do the conversion.

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    Ah, i forgot about Gorilla tape. I imagine it would leave a very sticky residue. Is this ever an issue?

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    I have not had any problems. Stuff is great. I recently broke a nipple. Peeled the tape back, made the fixed and was able to reuse the tape. Of course, I could have put a new layer on as well, for about twenty cents

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauffy View Post
    For those with the wide AM rims, what is a better option for going tubeless, the Bontrager Rhythm Strips or just stans yellow tape? If Stans would the 25mm tape be better?
    People have success with both methods, however the rhythm strips seem to be more secure out of the box. I have rhythm strips on mine, their weight barely even registered on a .1g precision scale. For me the added security of the bontrager rim strips was a no brainer.

    I've been racing XC this entire season on the setup with great luck. This past weekend I had a race where after the fact I noticed the front tire had lost a good amount of air before stans sealed it, fortunately the tire never even got close to blowing off the rim and I was able to finish the race without any issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterk123 View Post
    I have not had any problems. Stuff is great. I recently broke a nipple. Peeled the tape back, made the fixed and was able to reuse the tape. Of course, I could have put a new layer on as well, for about twenty cents
    +1 on the Gorilla tape. Comes in a 1" width which was perfect for the wider rims. Have used this on 2 different wheelsets now with no issues either.

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    I used Stans Yellow Tape since I had it and it works fine too. Blows up as easily as a Notubes rim. I used the same width recommended for the Arch Ex rims, whichever width that is. Supposed to be a little lighter than the Bonty strips and Gorilla tape too. Maybe not enough to matter, but psychologically.....maybe so.

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    Thanks guys! I'll have to see what's available locally(Aus). Not sure where i'd get the Rhythm strips over here, even the Yellow tape seems hard to find :/

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    (Cheap) Chinese Carbon Rims?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hauffy View Post
    Thanks guys! I'll have to see what's available locally(Aus). Not sure where i'd get the Rhythm strips over here, even the Yellow tape seems hard to find :/
    I've been using the American Classic strips. I find their valves are better than Stan's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauffy View Post
    Ah, i forgot about Gorilla tape. I imagine it would leave a very sticky residue. Is this ever an issue?
    Many have had good results but in my case, the answer depends on whether you use a standard width or try to economize and cut custom width strips using a wider roll of Gorilla tape. I got a 1" roll of Gorilla Tape for one set of wheels and thought I would be clever and cut custom width tape from a 2" wide roll. While this initially worked, lack of exactness on my part resulted in inconsistent width and in some places I observed the tape has slipped leaving a residue or adheres to the bead of the tire pulling off thin strands also leaving residue when you change tires. Also think the AmClass valve stems are a better choice Stans.

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    Stans wheels use yellow tape. LB wheels are way more secure with Bontragger rim strip.
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    Broke my rear. Seems like a factory defect. Im gonna warranty it with a stronger rear.

    Its on a AMHT, 140mm fork and dropper post. I ride it really hard.

    Here are some pics.
    The rim is cracking in one spot, and 2 nipples are looking like they want to pull through. This appeared after a hard day at Dupont, NC.

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    For the record, I have been riding this broken rim for about a month with no issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yourdaguy View Post
    Stans wheels use yellow tape. LB wheels are way more secure with Bontragger rim strip.
    +1 for the Bonty Strips. Used them on the LB rims, I had used Gorilla in the past, and the bead locks in like nothing else I've seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leugene View Post
    19mm inner width? It's like latest carbon rims from Easton for ROAD bikes!
    Yes, that is 19mm width, similar to XC rims, can be assembled with both wide and narrow tires. Now the rims are tubeless ready.

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    Well if that doesn't qualify as proper spam...

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    (Cheap) Chinese Carbon Rims?

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    I am sorry for this. If you want to buy new one, maybe you can find the suited at Nextie Bike-Chinese carbon fiber,MTB rims,road bike wheels,tri spoke wheels,BMX,frames,disc wheel BTW, ask Maxwell, he will make it cheaper for you. ^_^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauffy View Post
    Thanks guys! I'll have to see what's available locally(Aus). Not sure where i'd get the Rhythm strips over here, even the Yellow tape seems hard to find :/
    If you are looking for Gorilla tape, in Victoria (Australia) Masters home hardware sell it in the painting section.

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    Anybody know of any wheel builders who will build with these? Maybe stock them occasionally?

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    (Cheap) Chinese Carbon Rims?

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    Anybody know of any wheel builders who will build with these? Maybe stock them occasionally?
    Mikesee has in the past... not sure about currently.
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    (Cheap) Chinese Carbon Rims?

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    All I see is track forks & frames.
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    He builds frames and is kind of famous in the track bike world. He even has his own powdercoating oven. He has also built over 1000 wheels in his career. He also does custom work such a belt drive bikes, etc.
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    (Cheap) Chinese Carbon Rims?

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    He has also built over 1000 wheels in his career.
    Interesting... wouldn't know it from his website.
    Did he used to build segmented Ti forks that failed catastrophically?
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    (Cheap) Chinese Carbon Rims?

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    T_T so undeserved, this message just for replied a member, and I don't know why it became independent! Come on~~~ am I infamous? It's unfair.
    I don't know what this means, but if you don't want to be perceived as spamming then maybe stop posting the same s**t multiple times with links to your website where you sell stuff.
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    Is there any correlation between spoke tension to wheel stiffness ??
    I wonder !

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    Could I reduce tension on my carbon rims and let the material do the rest ?

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