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    I got my lb bike wheels a few days ago. They are thinner wheels 28 spoke front 32 rear novatec ds711 hubs. Total weight 1457. Dont have tires or a fork yet so cant really mount them up. But cosmetically they look amazing. Build quality looks great. am going to try and go tubeless using gorilla tape and maxxis ikons. Will post how it goes later
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    Quote Originally Posted by yourdaguy View Post
    If you can't find that, I generally shoot for 20 on the Park guage on the "tight" side. I generally end up with the highest readings around 18-20 and the other side will generally end up around 10-16 depending on the offset, flange height , etc. The most likely problem with building too high tension is the flange breaking.
    If you are going to throw out Park tension gauge readings, please list the spoke gauge also. One is meaningless without the other.

    This has been beaten on many times. 110-120kgf seems to be the favorite for these rims.

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    Good point. I generally use DT Revolutions and wasn't thinking.
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    Uh... any bike shop willing to build with parts they didn't sell? I know my favorite LBS (Endless Cycles in Castro Valley, CA) is more than willing to build you some wheels.

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    Is anyone in the States building up custom wheels with the Chinese carbon rims? I don't want to deal with ordering, shipping and building them myself. Lazy, I know.

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    Spicer cycles Spicer Cycles-Track frames-Track Forks-Fixed Gear-Bike Parts-Frames-Bicycles. Evansville, IN 47714 (812)473-4104
    He can order all the parts, build the wheels and ship them to you.
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    How many clicks or ratcheting stops, sometimes called points-of-engagement, does the rear Novatec D711/D712 hubs hub have during one freewheel revolution?

    Thanks!
    Quote Originally Posted by mackienz View Post
    I got my lb bike wheels a few days ago. They are thinner wheels 28 spoke front 32 rear novatec ds711 hubs. Total weight 1457. Dont have tires or a fork yet so cant really mount them up. But cosmetically they look amazing. Build quality looks great. am going to try and go tubeless using gorilla tape and maxxis ikons. Will post how it goes later

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    I think he's looking for shops that have prebuilt wheels in stock. He doesn't seem to want to deal with having to acquire all the parts and get them built.

    "Uh... any bike shop willing to build with parts they didn't sell? I know my favorite LBS (Endless Cycles in Castro Valley, CA) is more than willing to build you some wheels. "
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brisco Dog View Post
    ...I just ordered the rims myself and had them shipped to Chad at Red Barn Bicycles to be built up.
    <--- This. Painless. Nancy at LB was more than happy to drop ship mine to Chad. Chad is super easy to work with and his rates are very reasonable. I received my wheels from Chad a couple weeks back and they are sweet. For more info pics, weights, details are approx. 5 pages back in this thread. (Post #3180)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSH View Post
    <--- This. Painless. Nancy at LB was more than happy to drop ship mine to Chad. Chad is super easy to work with and his rates are very reasonable. I received my wheels from Chad a couple weeks back and they are sweet. For more info pics, weights, details are approx. 5 pages back in this thread. (Post #3180)


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    So back on page 120 I asked about people running the NARROW rims TUBELESS.

    I have ABSOLUTELY no interest in the wider rims, or the "benefits" of the wider rims. I give absolutely ZERO ****s about the wider rims. So Please, spare the "lectures" on the nature of wider rims and tires and resistance. I am exceedingly well-versed in the nature of those topics.

    I am simply interested in whether or not anyone has anything notable to say about the reliability of the NARROW rims being run tubeless, preferably with Stan's tape or gorilla tape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derby View Post
    How many clicks or ratcheting stops, sometimes called points-of-engagement, does the rear Novatec D711/D712 hubs hub have during one freewheel revolution?

    Thanks!


    24 according to this review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvmdmechanic View Post
    So back on page 120 I asked about people running the NARROW rims TUBELESS.
    I am simply interested in whether or not anyone has anything notable to say about the reliability of the NARROW rims being run tubeless, preferably with Stan's tape or gorilla tape.
    THANKS
    Because you ask so nicely, these were my xc 29 LB rims. Perhaps they have been changed in the meantime..
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    Just thought I would share my light bicycle wheel and Novatec hub issues for the next guy....
    I ordered the 29er wider 3K wheelset with the D711SB/D811SB hubs. If you want to convert the D711SB hubs for a 15mm RS maxle you need to remove the original axle (use the RS maxle instead) insert the Novatec crush sleeve between the bearings and add the correct Novatech 15mm end caps (correct may be tricky, I had to machine the ones I got).
    The guys at the local bike shop here all got matte finish rims this summer. Half of them delaminated. Warranty covered them all. Word is 3K is the best. Sorry for repeating info, but 133 pages is a lot to read.

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    XC rim tubeless experience with panaracer cx tire

    I ordered a set of the XC or "narrow" 29er rims to use for this cross season. After easily being able to inflate and seal a tubeless setup with 1 layer of gorilla tape and a floor pump on my AM 29er rims I tried the same with the XC rims, very loose fit. I then tried two layers of GT, still very loose. Deciding I was beginning to add too much weight I went down to the lbs and bought the plastic bonty rim strips, they were a little snug width wise but I pressed them under the hook tightly with a tire lever. With a compressor I was then able to get them to seal and run tubeless at 30psi on a 700x32 non-ust cx tire. They ended up working fine but were much more of a pain than the AM rims. The XC set I ordered in August I would not consider Tubeless ready at all. The center channel is much deeper than the flatter, more even profile of the AM version. The Bonty strips helped fill that a bit.

    Quote Originally Posted by rvmdmechanic View Post
    So back on page 120 I asked about people running the NARROW rims TUBELESS.

    I have ABSOLUTELY no interest in the wider rims, or the "benefits" of the wider rims. I give absolutely ZERO ****s about the wider rims. So Please, spare the "lectures" on the nature of wider rims and tires and resistance. I am exceedingly well-versed in the nature of those topics.

    I am simply interested in whether or not anyone has anything notable to say about the reliability of the NARROW rims being run tubeless, preferably with Stan's tape or gorilla tape.

    THANKS

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    Forgive me if I've missed this but can someone explain the 'New Process' I keep seeing references too? What was changed, issues addressed, benefits?

    Thx

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    Interesting, thanks for posting the link.

    Now if only they had done that high PSI testing prior to me blowing a rim apart, picking shrapnel from my leg, and cleaning stan's off of the ceiling.

    But in all seriousness, that looks like well executed, iterative engineering. Well done Light Bicycle!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lobo7 View Post
    Forgive me if I've missed this but can someone explain the 'New Process' I keep seeing references too? What was changed, issues addressed, benefits?

    Thx
    It's, "the customer-as-Q/C model is telling us something is wrong, so let's tweak some stuff and see if everything works out fine." Meanwhile money keeps rolling in...
    The new batch of customers/Q/C should be an improvement over the last round. That's the definition of "iterative," isn't it? Testing, shmesting, if the guy with shrapnel in his leg from the first round is impressed, we're rockin'!
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    The guy with shrapnel in his leg blew up his rim by putting over 70 psi in the tire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yourdaguy View Post
    The guy with shrapnel in his leg blew up his rim by putting over 70 psi in the tire.
    You have a point, sir. Well played.
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    Well, here's yer problem....

    Quote Originally Posted by yourdaguy View Post
    The guy with shrapnel in his leg blew up his rim by putting over 70 psi in the tire.

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    (Cheap) Chinese Carbon Rims?

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    Bontrager strips sealed in with latex (remnant pealing off the bead in the photo)
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    Corrosion data point:
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    Bontrager strips sealed in with latex (remnant pealing off the bead in the photo)
    Hard for me to tell from the photo alone - is the little bit of white early corrosion? The rest of the nipple and spoke look good. Are you posting/showing this as a warning that corrosion is starting or to show that it looks good?

    If you are indeed seeing early worrisome corrosion, is there anything that can be done at the early stage to stop progression or will you be replacing the nipples?

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    Quote Originally Posted by albertdc View Post
    Hard for me to tell from the photo alone - is the little bit of white early corrosion? The rest of the nipple and spoke look good. Are you posting/showing this as a warning that corrosion is starting or to show that it looks good?

    If you are indeed seeing early worrisome corrosion, is there anything that can be done at the early stage to stop progression or will you be replacing the nipples?

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    Zero corrosion. I won't be doing anything but continuing to ride.
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    Zero corrosion. I won't be doing anything but continuing to ride.
    Awesome! :thumbup:
    Can't wait for spring to put the skis away and bring out the RIP with the carbons.

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    Thanks AZ'
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    Looking for some opinions on spokes/lacing for these rims. I was going to use butted spokes like Sapim Lasers or DT Revos but heard that those weren't recommended for disc wheels. Also thinking of going 2x - some of the other carbon rim manufacturers recommend 2x. Looks like most folks are going 3x with a variety of different spokes - butted, straight and bladed. Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slsl123 View Post
    Looking for some opinions on spokes/lacing for these rims. I was going to use butted spokes like Sapim Lasers or DT Revos but heard that those weren't recommended for disc wheels.
    They are fine for disc wheels.
    Quote Originally Posted by slsl123 View Post
    Also thinking of going 2x - some of the other carbon rim manufacturers recommend 2x. Looks like most folks are going 3x with a variety of different spokes - butted, straight and bladed. Any thoughts?
    ENVE recommends 2x due to their nipple hole layup alignment. Not a consideration or issue with the Nancy rims. You can't go wrong with 3x and it provides a better tangential spoke angle for transmitting torque (braking & drive forces), but 2x works fine too.
    This is a case where the opinions FAR outweigh any actual benifits or detriments from choosing one spoke or cross pattern over another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvmdmechanic View Post
    So back on page 120 I asked about people running the NARROW rims TUBELESS.

    I have ABSOLUTELY no interest in the wider rims, or the "benefits" of the wider rims. I give absolutely ZERO ****s about the wider rims. So Please, spare the "lectures" on the nature of wider rims and tires and resistance. I am exceedingly well-versed in the nature of those topics.

    I am simply interested in whether or not anyone has anything notable to say about the reliability of the NARROW rims being run tubeless, preferably with Stan's tape or gorilla tape.

    THANKS
    I've got the wider rims. They rock! You should get wider rims!!!


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    I've got the wider rims. They rock! You should get wider rims!!!


    Sorry couldn't help myself....
    lol... I think that's called preemptive butt hurt.
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    Whatever wide lovers...theyre alive!! This is my narrow rimmed lb wheel. I used gorilla tape and at first I tried a maxxis ikon it didn't inflate. Luckily I can return it due to them sending me the Wrong model. I then got a specialized fast trak, which is tubeless ready, and it inflated easily.So it's all about which tire you use. I now regret I used gorilla tape as I think Stan's tape would work fine and it's light. Glad I didn't get the wide ones like aIl the other sheep, I Mean real Mountain bikers. these are so light and they re gonna fly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mackienz View Post
    Glad I didn't get the wide ones like aIl the other sheep, I Mean real Mountain bikers. these are so light and they re gonna fly.
    Lol... your narrow rims with gorilla are heavier than wide ones with Stan's. I hope they don't slow you down too much.
    Let us know how that lateral flex the LB website talks about feels.
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    Haha. Almost but not quite. Will let you know how the flex goes

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    Anyone hear from LB after their New Year?

    Nancy seems MIA

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee View Post
    Anyone hear from LB after their New Year?

    Nancy seems MIA
    I got an email from her yesterday.

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    China does have quite the problem with workers never coming back to the factories, so I hear.

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    I hope this is okay. I have a set of the Bonty rim strips and valves that I was going to use but my builder taped them without asking me so I have no use for them anymore. Let me know if you are looking for a set of the Rhythm Pro 29er strips and we can try to work something out.

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    simpy16; you might want to keep them a while and make sure the tires you are using don't burp with just the tape.
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    does anyone know why carbon rim manufacturers don't use extremely impact resistant composites in the outer layer? For example Kevlar or spectra. They aren't much more expensive than most reg. Carbon fiber. I've used Kevlar in the carbon fiber frames I make for myself, and the only downside is that it fuzzes during sanding. It looks really cool and would almost eliminate all of the rim wall cracks
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    Maybe it is just not as marketable. If it is harder to use in production that wouldn't help either. Yeah, it is a bugger to cut, and some have told me more susceptible to breaking down in sunlight but that I don't know. Most people want stiff/light so there may be limits on how much stuff they can use in a rim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lobo7 View Post
    Forgive me if I've missed this but can someone explain the 'New Process' I keep seeing references too? What was changed, issues addressed, benefits?

    Thx
    I don't know if the "new process" rims will be an improvement over the "old process rims but if you have a preference you need to specify when you place your order according to Brian at LB. They are shipping out both new/old randomly right now. Mine just shipped yesterday and I will be receiving "old process" rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xc biker View Post
    does anyone know why carbon rim manufacturers don't use extremely impact resistant composites in the outer layer? For example Kevlar or spectra. They aren't much more expensive than most reg. Carbon fiber. I've used Kevlar in the carbon fiber frames I make for myself, and the only downside is that it fuzzes during sanding. It looks really cool and would almost eliminate all of the rim wall cracks
    I'm not sure that an impact resistant layer would do any good for the kind of damage a carbon rim gets. The rim sees more crushing forces, like hitting a curb at speed, not damage like being hit by a flying rock. I can see that would be a good thing to add to the underside of a frame downtube or something, but I think it would just add weight to a rim.

    Then again, I'm no composites engineer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slsl123 View Post
    I don't know if the "new process" rims will be an improvement over the "old process rims but if you have a preference you need to specify when you place your order according to Brian at LB. They are shipping out both new/old randomly right now. Mine just shipped yesterday and I will be receiving "old process" rims.
    I emailed LB about this and they didn't really answer my question as to the difference between the two processes. Sounds like they are still waiting to see how the new process rims are received by customers and how they hold up. Anyone got the new process rims and have any thoughts?

    (answer from Nancy)

    "Yes, we sell both the process for 29er wide rims currently, and most part are still with the past process. Because the testing for new process haven't been finished, and we like to know how the customers ride on new process rims. Then make a decision when to change all molds for new process. And for customers' riding test, it will take around a few months.
    It is easy to see which rims are with new process, the serial number is "R02XXXXXXX". And for rims with the past process, it is with " R29C xxxxx"."

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    Ordered road 38mm clinchers with DB hubs for my 29er. Seller said many used them in CX and no problems. Pic/review/weight will come soon
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    Quote Originally Posted by lokisare View Post
    I emailed LB about this and they didn't really answer my question as to the difference between the two processes. Sounds like they are still waiting to see how the new process rims are received by customers and how they hold up. Anyone got the new process rims and have any thoughts?

    (answer from Nancy)

    "Yes, we sell both the process for 29er wide rims currently, and most part are still with the past process. Because the testing for new process haven't been finished, and we like to know how the customers ride on new process rims. Then make a decision when to change all molds for new process. And for customers' riding test, it will take around a few months.
    It is easy to see which rims are with new process, the serial number is "R02XXXXXXX". And for rims with the past process, it is with " R29C xxxxx"."
    I am going to take a wild gues and say the new process is the same new process described for the 650b rims. Follow this link ... the new process seems better ...
    Technology Improve Of Light-Bicycle Carbon MTB 650B Rims Light-Bicycle
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    Quote Originally Posted by lokisare View Post
    I emailed LB about this and they didn't really answer my question as to the difference between the two processes. Sounds like they are still waiting to see how the new process rims are received by customers and how they hold up. Anyone got the new process rims and have any thoughts?

    (answer from Nancy)

    "Yes, we sell both the process for 29er wide rims currently, and most part are still with the past process. Because the testing for new process haven't been finished, and we like to know how the customers ride on new process rims. Then make a decision when to change all molds for new process. And for customers' riding test, it will take around a few months.
    It is easy to see which rims are with new process, the serial number is "R02XXXXXXX". And for rims with the past process, it is with " R29C xxxxx"."
    So.... Customer beta testing. Greeeeaaat. I guess that's why the are cheap. I dunno, I would volunteer for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ottoreni View Post
    I am going to take a wild gues and say the new process is the same new process described for the 650b rims. Follow this link ... the new process seems better ...
    Technology Improve Of Light-Bicycle Carbon MTB 650B Rims Light-Bicycle
    Thanks for that link, it makes the new process sound a lot better than the old process but I guess they haven't got it perfected yet... that's why they haven't switched over completely.

    I'd be tempted to ask for new process rims although I guess there's a risk without them being extensively tested yet.

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    I received my new process rims a couple days ago. I have no other carbon rim to compare them to, but I can find no visual flaw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spsoon View Post
    I received my new process rims a couple days ago. I have no other carbon rim to compare them to, but I can find no visual flaw.
    have you weighed them? Interested to know if there's any weight difference.

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    I'll weigh them this weekend

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