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    That frame is the same model as the LTK023, lots of people happy with them on the right thread.

    I was interested on the complete wheelset, but for 520 USD, no way. Each rim costs 155 USD, 520-155x2=210, those Novatec hubs and pillar spokes value isn't 210 USD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiCaçador View Post
    That frame is the same model as the LTK023, lots of people happy with them on the right thread.

    I was interested on the complete wheelset, but for 520 USD, no way. Each rim costs 155 USD, 520-155x2=210, those Novatec hubs and pillar spokes value isn't 210 USD.
    Well, it is pretty close
    (NOVATEC D711SB D712SB DISC HUBS MTB 415g SIUPER LIGHT SHIMANO SRAM WHITE on eBay!)

    Add the price of the spokes and nipples and you are pretty close to the $210 USD difference. I am not saying that the hubs are the greatest, but $520 USD for the wheelset seems to be a good deal for what you get.

    I do think most in this thread though have gone the way of just buying the rims and building up with a better set of hubs and lighter Sapim CX-ray or DT revolution spokes. This is the route I am looking into with some AC hubs. Just not sure I will see that big of a difference in this versus my current set of AC 29er tubeless wheels at 1591g.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stryder75 View Post
    Well, it is pretty close
    (NOVATEC D711SB D712SB DISC HUBS MTB 415g SIUPER LIGHT SHIMANO SRAM WHITE on eBay!)

    Add the price of the spokes and nipples and you are pretty close to the $210 USD difference. I am not saying that the hubs are the greatest, but $520 USD for the wheelset seems to be a good deal for what you get.

    I do think most in this thread though have gone the way of just buying the rims and building up with a better set of hubs and lighter Sapim CX-ray or DT revolution spokes. This is the route I am looking into with some AC hubs. Just not sure I will see that big of a difference in this versus my current set of AC 29er tubeless wheels at 1591g.
    "Just not sure I will see that big of a difference in this versus my current set of AC 29er tubeless wheels at 1591g"

    Weight wise I think you are right...however these rims are wide..not sure how wide your current rims are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stryder75 View Post
    Well, it is pretty close
    (NOVATEC D711SB D712SB DISC HUBS MTB 415g SIUPER LIGHT SHIMANO SRAM WHITE on eBay!)

    Add the price of the spokes and nipples and you are pretty close to the $210 USD difference. I am not saying that the hubs are the greatest, but $520 USD for the wheelset seems to be a good deal for what you get.
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    Not to mention the cost of labor to build the wheel. $50-$70 is the goin' rate. Those hubs can't be any worse than XT hubs.
    I think, if the rims are as good as people are saying, that $500 for just the rims would be a good price.

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    I don't have any problem with the Novatec 711/712 hubs, those are actually the hubs I'm most interested in, theres nothing better for the same price. But I Can buy them from a real shop for 90€ (about 120 USD), plus some Sapim Laser and al nipples for about 50€ (about 65 USD). Ok, the difference isn't big, but point is it could be a better deal. And adding customs charges, that difference raises.

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    I haven't seen any talk about rider weight limits. Is there any?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiCaçador View Post
    I don't have any problem with the Novatec 711/712 hubs, those are actually the hubs I'm most interested in, theres nothing better for the same price. But I Can buy them from a real shop for 90€ (about 120 USD), plus some Sapim Laser and al nipples for about 50€ (about 65 USD). Ok, the difference isn't big, but point is it could be a better deal. And adding customs charges, that difference raises.
    And if you don't build them yourself, add another $120, more if you want them built by a reputable builder. That $520 ends up being a pretty good deal.

    It's going to be hard to convince anyone on this thread that the $520 price tag for these rims, built into a full wheelset, is a bad deal. Like I said, if the rims are as good as people are saying, $520 for just 2 rims is a great deal compared to $1600 for ENVE rims.

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    Does anyone know what rim these guys are using?

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    On the bikeempowerment.com website they are selling the rim only for $220/each, but the complete wheelset is $1400, which seems like a steep markup relative to the price of the parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BamaCyclist View Post
    Does anyone know what rim these guys are using?

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    On the bikeempowerment.com website they are selling the rim only for $220/each, but the complete wheelset is $1400, which seems like a steep markup relative to the price of the parts.
    The rims look the same as the Chinese ones. If the rims are $220, that price for the complete set is insane. And they're heavy to boot, 1769g.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mucky View Post
    And if you don't build them yourself, add another $120, more if you want them built by a reputable builder. That $520 ends up being a pretty good deal.

    It's going to be hard to convince anyone on this thread that the $520 price tag for these rims, built into a full wheelset, is a bad deal. Like I said, if the rims are as good as people are saying, $520 for just 2 rims is a great deal compared to $1600 for ENVE rims.
    Those $120 may be how much you need to someone not related to selling the parts builds the wheel, usually when a store sells the wheel parts, the price added to the cost of the parts alone is almost nothing.

    I also think $520 for a carbon rim wheelset is an excellent price no matter what, but $310 for a pair of carbon rims is a better deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiCaçador View Post
    Those $120 may be how much you need to someone not related to selling the parts builds the wheel, usually when a store sells the wheel parts, the price added to the cost of the parts alone is almost nothing.
    What you said here makes no sense.

    There isn't a shop around that will sell the parts for a wheel and build them for free. They may give you a discount, but they will still charge for the build. Like I said, here in the US, that going rate is around $50-$70 a wheel. $50, for a discount for buying the parts. Some charge more than$70 to build a wheel

    Quote Originally Posted by FiCaçador View Post
    I also think $520 for a carbon rim wheelset is an excellent price no matter what, but $310 for a pair of carbon rims is a better deal.
    Your point earlier is that the $520 seemed to be too much, and you thought a better deal should be made available. Another $210 for hubs, spokes, nipples and labor for the build is just as good a deal.
    You need to stop arguing this point. You are either not making sense, or you are contradicting yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by red5jedi View Post
    I haven't seen any talk about rider weight limits. Is there any?
    I never thought to ask. But i only weigh 155, so if they cant handle my weight, they oughtn't be made. As wide as the rims are, and advertised for AM use, i imagine there is no weight limit. Send them an email if you're concerned about it.
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    My guess on no weight limit is because it depends on the spokes. I would reference other complete carbon wheel builds to get an idea and modify spoke choice to suit your own weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mucky View Post
    The rims look the same as the Chinese ones. If the rims are $220, that price for the complete set is insane. And they're heavy to boot, 1769g.
    I absolutely agree, I certainly didn't feel "empowered" to buy a pair :-) I would really love to try a prebuilt wheelset from Light-bicycle, but the price of failure if a front rim fails is just too much of a risk for me. Maybe I'll just get a set and ride the rear only for a year and if that holds up ok, then start using the front also.

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    I emailed them about rider weight limit on the 29er wide rim, Nancy said 95kg, but they could lay the rims up for heavier riders. She recommended I get 420g rims, not sure if they just pick through their lots looking for heavier rims, or actually lay them up by customer request. I asked if they could do 440g wide rims for a Big Beautiful Rider. I'm waiting to hear back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bquinn View Post
    My guess on no weight limit is because it depends on the spokes. I would reference other complete carbon wheel builds to get an idea and modify spoke choice to suit your own weight.
    I'm not convinced spokes can offset a weak rim, in other words, if a rim is lacking structural strength no spoke will build a great wheel, so when I build a wheel I always start with the rim. The spokes I'm using for my wheels have only been Sapim CX Rays for the last few years, on my road bike, 26er and 29er MTB and and apart from another cycling falling with his bar into my wheel or getting a thick branch in the wheel I haven't broken any spokes.

    Considering 400 grams for a carbon fiber rim is not super light I think it will probably take the same kind of abuse as a 400 gram aluminium rim would take so I ordered a set of rims. Interested to see how these compare to the Arch 29 and American Classic 29er rim I've laced with CX rays as well.

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    If I were buying a wheelset at this moment, it would be this $520 one or a custom one with the same 711/712 Novatec hubs, Sapim Laser, al nipples and FRM 333 29er rims, from this shop, where the build costs, as I said, is almost nothing, and together with the hubs, spokes and nipples cost is less than $210.
    As I weigh only 65 kg (143 lbs) and I'm more interested on low weight than stiffness, and also theres no customs charges on delivers within the European Union, the last option would win.
    What is a good deal to someone may not be it for someone else, just as what makes sense to someone may not make sense for someone else.

    Anyway, if in the future a truly lighter carbon rim became available, obviously less stiff and with a lighter rider weight limit, then I wouldn't mind how slightly better the deal could be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdrifter View Post
    I emailed them about rider weight limit on the 29er wide rim, Nancy said 95kg, but they could lay the rims up for heavier riders. She recommended I get 420g rims, not sure if they just pick through their lots looking for heavier rims, or actually lay them up by customer request. I asked if they could do 440g wide rims for a Big Beautiful Rider. I'm waiting to hear back.
    Snowdrifter, in what weight category are you punching?

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    duh

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    Do any of these companies (Rotaz, Novatec, etc) make a light 15mm hub?

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    Quote Originally Posted by figo View Post
    Snowdrifter, in what weight category are you punching?
    110kg dressed for singletrack battle. She recommended 420g rims at my weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdrifter View Post
    110kg dressed for singletrack battle. She recommended 420g rims at my weight.
    Thanks, good to see they can beef the rim up a bit, let us know how they hold up for you. I'll probably be fine with the standard ones at 88kg and likely dropping a few for race season, can't wait for the rims to arrive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee View Post
    Tire when on just like on my old Stan's flow rims...........
    DeeZee,
    Did you build the wheels with 240s hubs front and rear?
    If so, do you know what length the spokes were?

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    Thinking about getting the regular 29er mountain bike rims for a cross bike of mine. Do you guys think the rims would be too wide for 35-40 cross tires?
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    Where can I pick up a set of these rims?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CupOfJava View Post
    Where can I pick up a set of these rims?
    the same place the other guy who asked the same question in this thread can.

    the link provided in this thread:
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    just go straight to their website light bicycle-carbon frame,carbon rim,carbon wheel,carbon wheelset,carbon mountain bike,carbon road bike When I ordered a week or so ago, they were still working on the website ordering process, but you just send Nancy an email and she'll take care of you.
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    rim strip question

    those using the rhythm rimstip was it on the AM rim or the normal rim? ...hoping for the AM
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    Quote Originally Posted by theHIP View Post
    those using the rhythm rimstip was it on the AM rim or the normal rim? ...hoping for the AM
    AM rim. I last inflated the tire 6 days ago. No sealant. Tire still has air in it. Not much...but still has pressure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdrifter View Post
    110kg dressed for singletrack battle. She recommended 420g rims at my weight.
    That is weird. The two sets we have are 440g per rim. New versions lighter?
    I am immune to your disdain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by red5jedi View Post
    I haven't seen any talk about rider weight limits. Is there any?
    Look who's here... been waiting for you to show up!

    Thinkin' about having Dan do me a set of these for the Racer-X. See if they are a bit stiffer than the Stans Arches. I wouldn't think there are any weight restictions, but one never knows about the "weight of a bag of tea" in China.
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    methinks this whole asian carbon rim market is gonna go exponential in the next few months....
    opinions ? ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigfootDenny View Post
    methinks this whole asian carbon rim market is gonna go exponential in the next few months....
    opinions ? ....
    There is no doubt in my mind. I saw it coming a year and a half ago with the road rims. I was simply waiting...and waiting...and waiting...
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    As long as they hold up! For the price I'm skeptical but only some riding will tell My set should be here in a few days...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFYFZX View Post
    As long as they hold up! For the price I'm skeptical but only some riding will tell My set should be here in a few days...
    I know dozens of people who ride them on the road no problem.

    Hell, I know a guy who has a business where he does nothing but import dozens of these rims, and build them up for people in any configuration they might desire.

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    Here's hoping they work out I'm a natural skeptic. Let's say, I expect them to work but won't be heart broken if they don't. For the price, logic says they can NOT be as good as the high end rims but the reports have all been really good

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFYFZX View Post
    Here's hoping they work out I'm a natural skeptic. Let's say, I expect them to work but won't be heart broken if they don't. For the price, logic says they can NOT be as good as the high end rims but the reports have all been really good
    You may not be heartbroken if they don't work out, but you might be broken. I remember some of the pictures when the 1st gen Mavic R-Sys wheels were failing. Not pretty.

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    Any wheel can leave you that way. Forks break. Frames break. Stems break. Bars break. Not too worried about that. It'll happen someday to even the most engineered parts of my bike...

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    I'm waiting on my set too... I asked to have them drilled for internal nipples, just to be on the safe side

    (also, I couldnt choose nipple color :P )

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    Good thread. Going to follow this and hopefully see some more wheel builds. The budget builder in me loves stuff like this. Subscribed. Keep them coming. Really diggin' the matte carbon finish.

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    super excited

    i am super excited about the prospect of easy tubeless with this rim!

    i too have been waiting for this to move from road to 29er width rims. i thought about trying some of the road version last year but didn't want that narrow profile. this seems perfect.


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    AM rim. I last inflated the tire 6 days ago. No sealant. Tire still has air in it. Not much...but still has pressure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by two-one View Post
    I'm waiting on my set too... I asked to have them drilled for internal nipples, just to be on the safe side

    (also, I couldnt choose nipple color :P )
    Sounds like a good idea!

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    Quote Originally Posted by two-one View Post
    I'm waiting on my set too... I asked to have them drilled for internal nipples, just to be on the safe side

    :P )

    Do they charge extra for this option ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by two-one View Post
    I'm waiting on my set too... I asked to have them drilled for internal nipples, just to be on the safe side

    (also, I couldnt choose nipple color :P )
    Is it possible to build these rims with internal nipples?


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    Was tinking of building up a set of wheels using stan's new 3.30Ti hubs but they don't sell them separate . Looking at building a race set of wheels, don't like AC rear hubs. Light-bikes list there 29er wheelset at 1460g but I assume that is 28 hole rims and I'm sure they averave around 1500g that they ship to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by red5jedi View Post
    Was tinking of building up a set of wheels using stan's new 3.30Ti hubs but they don't sell them separate .
    My thoughts exactly. Wish they would start selling them.

    I'm rolling the dice on a set of these. I'm not hard on freehubs, so hopefully all will turn out well.
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    for those who have built up the AM rims, what length nipples did you use? 12, 14, or 16?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ktm520 View Post
    My thoughts exactly. Wish they would start selling them.

    I'm rolling the dice on a set of these. I'm not hard on freehubs, so hopefully all will turn out well.
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    I was going to do this as well but their hub options or limited.
    I need a 20mm front and a 12x142mm rear. Anyone know if there is a company of similar quality/price out there.
    I wouldn't mind the up to $250 price range fora set of hubs.

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    Anyone tried the 26in version? Any idea on tubeless support on the 26in version?
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    FYI, Miracle Trade is now online available for chatting/ordering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stinkyto View Post
    I was going to do this as well but their hub options or limited.
    I need a 20mm front and a 12x142mm rear. Anyone know if there is a company of similar quality/price out there.
    I wouldn't mind the up to $250 price range fora set of hubs.
    Lightbicycle can lace the wheels to novatec d881/882 hubs which are convertible to all major axle standards front and rear, I believe. Price was still 520 for a set plus 85 shipping when they quoted me. Not sure of the quality of these hubs, very little info about them in general but I think I read that they are 24 pts of engagement per revolution, with a three pawl mech.

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    This is ridiculously awesome. My crest race wheels are a tad too flexy and these would make a great replacement. Especially since they are tubeless comparable and wider! Im going to get a set when I free up some extra money. Might be a month or so though.

    Look forward to seeing more pics and reading more reviews until then!

    If they are making that AM wide rim in 380g(mentioned earlier in thread) that would be my 1st choice.
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    I'm kinda counting on a high-average 420gr, so don't get your hopes up for something weightweenyish
    Also... the burpability/tubelessness has yet to be properly proven... I ordered some thick gorilla tape, so I can do 2 layes, just in case

    The usage of the Bontrager Rim Strip might still be the best allround solution, I hope to see more experiences and pictures in the following weeks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vwn8 View Post
    Ive been on my set for about 50-100miles now. Built them with AC hubs and Sapim CX-rays. Im 200-215lb and im not babying them. So far theyve been great! I have a set of AC XCs and a set of hope/stan 355s and these are easily my favorites. The ride quality is much better. They feel as stiff as anything else and theyre the lightest by quite a bit (very low 1500g range). If your on the fence about these I would say go for it!

    One thing I should mention is I had mine built with the "old" layup. Im told 390g rims are the new layup. Mine are 415g.
    Which distributor are you referring to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwiffle View Post
    I never thought to ask. But i only weigh 155, so if they cant handle my weight, they oughtn't be made. As wide as the rims are, and advertised for AM use, i imagine there is no weight limit. Send them an email if you're concerned about it.
    I talked to an Asian rep. Over a light-bicycle.com on there chat. She said that weight limit is 95kg About 209-210 pounds.


    Edit- She just told me they can make a custom rim set. At the same price for heavier riders Like my Self. But it is an extra 7 days while they build the one off set. I told them they should call it the "Special edition fatty rims"

    She also told me the same company making these rims are producing parts for specialized.
    And the rims are made on an assembly line for a few different bike Mnf's. with different stickers on them. ( Maybe she will get fired after her telling me this, I dont know how much info she can tell me)

    Nancy >i see, like specialized bikes, they are made in our city also
    Nancy >we are making 1000pcs/month frames for them
    Nancy >just they have a good brand
    Allan >Wow. So these rims, are they made on the same assembly line with other major brand Carbon rims?
    Allan >Or are they another major brand rim with a different companys sticker on them?
    Nancy >yes, one belgium customer have their sticker on their rims
    Nancy >also, some us customers
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    No worries. I am no weight weenie. I care much more about stiffness. Superlight, flexy stuff is only good for going in a straight line fast!

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    Amazing find! I'm all ears about these right now. I was just going to sell some parts to gather cash for another Lefty. I'm tempted do do this instead after I tacoed one of my cheapo flexy pinned DT Swiss rims.

    I wonder how much sideload abuse one of the AM carbon rims can take before it cracks?

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    I put a another cheapo hoop on after this, but I'm worried it will go again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee View Post
    Tire when on just like on my old Stan's flow rims...........
    Went for a ride on the wheel today.......felt great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaGoat View Post
    Look who's here... been waiting for you to show up!

    Thinkin' about having Dan do me a set of these for the Racer-X. See if they are a bit stiffer than the Stans Arches. I wouldn't think there are any weight restictions, but one never knows about the "weight of a bag of tea" in China.
    Hey Dug,

    I was going to order some Roval SL's but now I'm thinking of giving these a try. Just looking for some good hubs that are also light.

    Thinking of getting some Extralite hubs. Rear is 168g and the front is 78g. Thinking the weelset could be under ~1350g (yes for 29er).

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    Quote Originally Posted by red5jedi View Post
    Hey Dug,

    I was going to order some Roval SL's but now I'm thinking of giving these a try. Just looking for some good hubs that are also light.

    Thinking of getting some Extralite hubs. Rear is 168g and the front is 78g. Thinking the weelset could be under ~1350g (yes for 29er).

    I gotta stop sniffing glue
    Same here, ordered the rims last week and am still thinking about the Hyperlefty and the Hyperrear and build them with CXrays, can't find much information on how they hold up which is a bit worrying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by figo View Post
    Same here, ordered the rims last week and am still thinking about the Hyperlefty and the Hyperrear and build them with CXrays, can't find much information on how they hold up which is a bit worrying.
    Did you go with the AM rims? If they can find me a set at 400g I'll go with the AM rim with 28h. I'm at 190lbs but I'm no AM rider and don't jump much so they sould be fine (I hope). Did you order the hubs from Extralite or some other US retailer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by red5jedi View Post
    Did you go with the AM rims? If they can find me a set at 400g I'll go with the AM rim with 28h. I'm at 190lbs but I'm no AM rider and don't jump much so they sould be fine (I hope). Did you order the hubs from Extralite or some other US retailer?
    Yeah, went for the AM rims for 2 reasons, 1; the extra width and 2; the sturdiness/rim bed profile which looked better for riding tubeless. I'm around 190lbs as well and want some solid wheels for racing.

    I'll either order from Extralite direct or from r2bike (as I'm located in Europe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot View Post
    Amazing find! I'm all ears about these right now. I was just going to sell some parts to gather cash for another Lefty. I'm tempted do do this instead after I tacoed one of my cheapo flexy pinned DT Swiss rims.

    I wonder how much sideload abuse one of the AM carbon rims can take before it cracks?

    (some NSFW language)

    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Tp1s9GWNUOw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    I put a another cheapo hoop on after this, but I'm worried it will go again.
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    Yeah, but....

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaCyclist View Post
    You may not be heartbroken if they don't work out, but you might be broken. I remember some of the pictures when the 1st gen Mavic R-Sys wheels were failing. Not pretty.
    ... those failed because of the carbon spokes. Carbon rims have been around for a bit, and in general it looks as if they hold up, and are pretty tough.

    I would be surprised if there was any significant difference between the high zoot name brand rims and these rims. I think the big names just mark stuff up like crazy.

    I'm wondering what the story is behind the super high spoke tension. Are the rims flexy, or something? I just remember back to my BMX Flatland Freestyle days of the early 80s, and remember those ACS Z Rims? They were made of some glass composite plasticy stuff, and they were flexible enough that the spokes would work loose. I had to build mine up with stupid high spoke tension and they still worked loose. I hope the same is not going to happen here. Then again, I was building up these wheels at age 12, and was not exactly big on the details of doing it right.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKTrain View Post
    Nothing says classy like tucking a T-Shirt into your bibs. I love it, and so would Gary Fisher!

    I know... I've been getting a lot of shiz for that. In my defense, I was wearing a long sleeve jersey and peeled it off just before this was shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mucky View Post
    Is it possible to build these rims with internal nipples?

    Hmph, good point mucky... didn't think of the spacing requirement... I ordered some 9mm internal nipples, so they'll probably poke into the rimtape... but that will be 2 layers of Gorilla Tape. so it will probably be fine.
    It might even build up the rim channel!

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    For those who have ordered these rims. Was shipping $50 to the US? I am about ready to buy a set and wanted to confirm if that was the case.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by indyfab25 View Post
    That is weird. The two sets we have are 440g per rim. New versions lighter?
    Nancy said they're coming in closer to 400g +/- 5g.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccornacc View Post
    For those who have ordered these rims. Was shipping $50 to the US? I am about ready to buy a set and wanted to confirm if that was the case.

    Thanks!
    I paid 60 and was told shipping was soon going up to 66, so if you get 50, you got a nice break.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwiffle View Post
    I paid 60 and was told shipping was soon going up to 66, so if you get 50, you got a nice break.
    I paid $50 shipping, but was also charged $14.4 (4%) for the PayPal fee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot View Post
    ... those failed because of the carbon spokes. Carbon rims have been around for a bit, and in general it looks as if they hold up, and are pretty tough.
    I understand why those failed, I was more referring to the carnage that resulted from it. I guess I was thinking in terms of the rim completely failing, but that seems to be a pretty unlikely scenario. Most likely, I guess, they would just crack in one place or another, not completely break in half (i.e. like a bar, seatpost, or steerer tube).

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    Thanks! The total was $360 for both the rims and shipping, so I must have gotten lucky! Looking forward to trying these out.

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    I saw that too, but according to Nancy they only have them in 15mm front and 12mm rear. I can't find anywhere to get the adapters...



    Quote Originally Posted by mattgVT View Post
    Lightbicycle can lace the wheels to novatec d881/882 hubs which are convertible to all major axle standards front and rear, I believe. Price was still 520 for a set plus 85 shipping when they quoted me. Not sure of the quality of these hubs, very little info about them in general but I think I read that they are 24 pts of engagement per revolution, with a three pawl mech.
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    Will these take (tubeless) Schraeder valves? If not, how can I safely drill them out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by g3rG View Post
    Will these take (tubeless) Schraeder valves? If not, how can I safely drill them out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by g3rG View Post
    Will these take (tubeless) Schraeder valves? If not, how can I safely drill them out?

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    Drill and Carbon Fiber don't go well together. Carbon Fiber is well, fibrous. If you attempt to drill it, especially attempting to bore out a molded hole, you will get through the resin and then destroy the weave. The likely outcome is that it will crack, splinter, and create a sharp serrated edge. For it to remotely work, you would need a fine and very sharp bit to cut the fiber cleanly. You might be able to reduce future damage by applying some kind of polymer or resin but the rims will probably not last long afterward.

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    OR, when you order, tell Nancy what hole you want and she will have them made that for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccornacc View Post
    Thanks! The total was $360 for both the rims and shipping, so I must have gotten lucky! Looking forward to trying these out.
    You did get a break on the shipping ...guess the shipping went down instead of up with the change in shipping costs. I also paid the 4% paypal fee.
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    I paid Jan 28th and only paid $29.00 shipping $339.00 total...

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    Quote Originally Posted by red5jedi View Post
    Really!
    Maybe he's going to put them on a Trials bike. Trials Bikes use Schraeder Valved Tubes... something about the tubes being beefy enough to handle the abuse.

    Hold it!!! Is this the guy jumping 6' to Flat off a Transvestite?
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    Quote Originally Posted by theHIP View Post
    I saw that too, but according to Nancy they only have them in 15mm front and 12mm rear. I can't find anywhere to get the adapters...
    Superstarcomponents.co.uk uses 881/882 as their Switch Evo hubs. I use them, and they are great! about 500gr/set..... SSC has all the adapters you could want.

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    Tubeless Mini RR

    Stan’s tape, 1 scoop of sealant and Specialized S-works Fast Track.

    No burps or leaks. Tire worked great on the wide rim. Rode it for only 12 miles or so last Sunday before the Super Bowl.

    The terrain was fire road and tight single track with some small drops (nothing too technical). No big climbs or rock gardens. This is just my local trail by the house to get a feel for the bike / wheel.

    This weekend I plan on riding it for a much longer distance and “more fun trial”
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee View Post
    Stan’s tape, 1 scoop of sealant and Specialized S-works Fast Track.

    No burps or leaks. Tire worked great on the wide rim. Rode it for only 12 miles or so last Sunday before the Super Bowl.

    The terrain was fire road and tight single track with some small drops (nothing too technical). No big climbs or rock gardens. This is just my local trail by the house to get a feel for the bike / wheel.

    This weekend I plan on riding it for a much longer distance and “more fun trial”
    Thanks for the review and the pictures. We need more of both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaGoat View Post
    Maybe he's going to put them on a Trials bike. Trials Bikes use Schraeder Valved Tubes... something about the tubes being beefy enough to handle the abuse.

    Hold it!!! Is this the guy jumping 6' to Flat off a Transvestite?
    Oh hell no. No tubes, no trials, and no transvestites. Also I think that Presta valves are a frail and finicky pita. There are much more robust Schraeder stems around, with absolutely no weight penalty.

    dfyfzx - I think that is probably the best solution, but I was looking for a short-cut.

    GTR-33 - I have worked with some composites, mostly ceramics. Drill was a poor choice of words on my part. I was envisioning an abrasive tool to enlarge the hole. Any guess how the manufacturer cut the holes originally? Did they seal the fiber ends to prevent crack propagation into the matrix?

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    Deezee: did you weigh your rims and finished wheels?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bquinn View Post
    Deezee: did you weigh your rims and finished wheels?
    Yes pictures and weights on this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by red5jedi View Post
    Really!
    There are still some of us left that don't prefer presta for various reasons (Ever been out in the sticks with a flat and no pump? I bet farmer Joe doesn't have a presta adapter.). It is a valid question.

    Drilling would require high speed, and probably an abrasive bit, rather than a standard drill bit, sharp or not. It would still be best if it were molded in rather than drilled later to prevent higher stress concentrations on the cut edges.

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    Yeah, but rather than risk damaging a prefectly good carbon rim. Why not just buy a presta to schrader adapter for .99 cents and call it good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcavy1 View Post
    Yeah, but rather than risk damaging a prefectly good carbon rim. Why not just buy a presta to schrader adapter for .99 cents and call it good?
    Good observation... there ARE good reasons to drill aluminum rims. Schrader valves are burlier and last longer and the cores are available anywhere. I think that air compressor use associated with tubeless has changed the picture a bit, the removeable core presta valves are a bit wimpy and the presta chucks are high maintenance. The aluminum schrader valves don't weigh any more than presta valves and as rims get wider the size of the hole is less relevant. I have been running the 949 schraders for a year and they are a delight compared to even the mavic schrader adapted stems.
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    Good job!

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    Superstarcomponents.co.uk uses 881/882 as their Switch Evo hubs. I use them, and they are great! about 500gr/set..... SSC has all the adapters you could want.
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    Moar carbon rim talk!
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    Sorry for the sloppy post. Had to get above my 10 comment limit. Long time lurker.

    Wider carbon mountain 29er rims clincher(tubeless-compatible) - light-bicycle

    Here's the skinny from my Q&A with the folks at the above link.

    Nancy >hello, may i help you
    Scott >hello - I'm interested in the wider carbon mountain 29er rims
    Scott >Do I have to use special nipples or spokes with it? Will I need washers?
    Nancy >no need washers
    Scott >any kind of special setup at all? do you know what the torque limits are?
    Nancy >yes, wait for a sec, i will ask the engineer soon
    Scott >thank you
    Scott >I would also like to know the max PSI these rims can hold.
    Nancy >Maximum recommended tire inflation pressure: Road: 130psi; MTB: 65psi
    Nancy >Maximum spoke tension recommended: 180kgf.
    Scott >Thank you - that is a very high limit
    Scott >Is there a functional difference between 3k and 12k fiber? I've been told it's all aesthetic
    Nancy >actually, the strength is almost the same, because only the outer layer is different
    Nancy >3k is stronger, but almost the same
    Nancy >some customers like 12k
    Scott >and UD?
    Nancy >all the 3 outlook is almost the same, but 3k the best, then 12k, and then UD, but 98% customers like UD
    Nancy >because the strength is almost the same
    Scott >I see. Thank you.
    Scott >Are the spoke holes angled?
    Nancy >for MTB rims, no, for road rims, yes
    Nancy >for MTB rims, they are with straight holes, and for road rims, they are with angle holes
    Scott >Some companies have difficulty producing matte UD rims - can you produce matte UD rims?
    Nancy >Most people order matte UD rims. There is no problem with it.
    Scott >Understood - Thank you. Goodbye.

    Price as quoted for 2 wheels was $360 after $50 shipping
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    I would like some more average weights. Are they really around 400g? Or are they more like 440g as mentioned earlier. (bought from xaimen becs from alibaba)
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    I'd like to see more pics of these wheels built up.

    Pics! Pics! Pics!

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